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Everything you need to know about National, in two paragraphs

Written By: - Date published: 3:12 pm, November 16th, 2013 - 60 comments
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Andrea Vance reports: “Foreign minister Murray McCully returned from the Tamil-led north of Sri Lanka last night and indicated he believes New Zealand should not support an independent investigation into war crimes.

Shortly after his return to Colombo, McCully signed a dairy co-operation agreement with his counterpart Professor GL Peiris, worth about $2 million.”

60 comments on “Everything you need to know about National, in two paragraphs”

  1. Rogue Trooper 1

    Yep! (not wasting a mellow afternoon thinking about these hypocrites).

  2. Tiger Mountain 2

    The atrocious war crimes committed against the Tamil population require little further comment. To add to genocide the Sri Lankan state is also anti union surprise surprise.

    Over ten years ago now the NZ Dairy Workers Union signed an international agreement covering workers rights in overseas operations. http://www.iuf.org/cgi-bin/dbman/db.cgi?db=default&ww=1&uid=default&ID=271&view_records=1&en=1

    It is renewed periodically with increasing difficulty union sources have told me as local managers particularly in places such as Sri Lanka do not observe the agreement and in fact frustrate and victimise workers that do try and organise. So from our dirty filthy tory Prime Minister and Foreign Minister it is “we know nuzzink about that” and they don’t want to know. The sooner they are dispatched the better.

  3. Tracey 3

    2m to ignore abuse and killing…thats nz inc for ya.

  4. Will@Welly 4

    War crimes, what war crimes?
    Just have a look at our education sector, history is being re-written as we speak.
    Steven Joyce, Hekia Parata, Bill English – wiping out 170 years of an education tradition.
    When you re-write history, you re-write the past.
    No wonder these Tory bastards are so smug.

  5. Dumrse 5

    Willy@welly….. It’s called choice. Parents get a choice. We decide, not the state or the
    Labour Party or the teachers fucking union or the PPTA or any other such dictatorial body. I get to choose, not you.

    • Molly 5.1

      .. what exactly is it that you are choosing?..

      • Dumrse 5.1.1

        Where and how to school my children. Was willyswelly a bit cryptic for you ?

        • Draco T Bastard 5.1.1.1

          I feel sorry for your children as it’s obvious you haven’t got a friggen clue about good education.

          • Dumrse 5.1.1.1.1

            I acknowledge we can’t all live in a “choice environment” and that many of you need to be spoon fed in the nanny state, not forgetting what light bulbs to buy and how much water to shower with. And you talk about clues. Clueless perhaps ?

        • David H 5.1.1.2

          @Dumarse
          It’s not only about where and how. It’s also about who, with, and with what. To say nothing on what are they allowed to teach. With Craig, who believes that global warming is caused by the Planets, Banks who’s as crooked as the day is long, and Parata who acts like she should go back to 3rd grade, they are or are going to (If they get a chance) sell our education system to the highest bidder. All under the guise of PPP’s or what ever acronym they come up with for the next round of ‘Parata’s’. And some of the ‘wanna be’ buyers of our schools have some real strange idea’s. Especially around Religion and climate change. Yes I agree they are trying to rewrite history. And thats the one thing that defines a country. I know I’m English and my History teacher had the gift of the Gab, and could and would make your imagination fire so you could see what he was talking about, it was his Passion. And thats what the Nats are trying to kill, the Teachers passion for the job, look at the Nova Pay debacle, and the Christchurch Screwup.

          As the parent of a 2.6 year old I am horrified at what is happening to our education system. And I wonder what he will have for a school. McDonalds Primary and Burger King Secondary School’s, or one of the first class schools we already have, run by people that have a passion for teaching and not just watching the bottom line.

          • Dumrse 5.1.1.2.1

            David, I’m immensely happy for you given the addition of McDonalds Primary and Burger King Secondary, you have choices that many will be envious of…. Well done I hope 2.6 does well and grows up knowing all about choice.

        • Puddleglum 5.1.1.3

          But Dumrse, you already (pre-charter schools) have many choices in education: Private schools, integrated schools, special character public schools, standard state schools.

          In amongst that there are as many ways to educate children as there are known.

          I admit, though, that it would be ideal if we could choose something like the Finnish system.

          Edit: Oh, and home schooling of course.

    • Paul 5.2

      National.”know the price of everything and the value of nothing.”
      Dairy farms……Genocide
      Ashamed to be a New Zealander.

      • Ian 5.2.1

        I don’t see any Dairy farmers caught up in the Kiddy porn and paedophilia sting going on at the moment. Looks like teachers,preists and associated left wing scum rising to the surface here.40 teachers out of 300,probably all registered too.

        • Paul 5.2.1.1

          Relevance to Sri Lanka?

        • emergency mike 5.2.1.2

          Teachers and preists = left wing scum? Righto then.

        • Murray Olsen 5.2.1.3

          Get back to WhaleSpew, fuckwit. The only scum here is you. Go and cry on Graeme Capill’s shoulder about the nasty left. He might give you a lolly.

          • Paul 5.2.1.3.1

            There are really some hate filled people in this country.

          • Ian 5.2.1.3.2

            sorry to upset you sir,But,you need to catch up on the news. 40 teachers have been caught in a Capill moment. Do you use lollies,you little charmer!

            • Paul 5.2.1.3.2.1

              Had to check.
              Held my nose.
              Yes, Ian, your message comes pretty much copied and pasted from whale oil.
              Funny that.

              • Ian

                so it’s not true ,sir ?

              • McFlock

                what I find fascinatig is that he’s talking about 40 teachers globally, and their crimes are condemned by everyone legitimately in the profession.

                In NZ, several advertisers removed their custom from WJ&JT because they minimised abuse, not even anything illegal.

                And how many dairy farmers will make the ethical decision to not to sell likely war criminals?

                How many dairy farmers will come out and say that they oppose this dirty deal to turn a blind eye to atrocities?

                • Ian

                  Probably none Mcflock. dairy farmers sell food and produce that food from animals they love. I know no dairy farmers that would hold back food food and deliberately starve humans for political gain.As for those pedophile teachers,I know of no dairy farmers that would be too worried to see them die of starvation .If you look back in history I think that you might find that NZ dairy farmers helped keep the people of Iraq alive ,during your mate Saddam’s reign.

                  • North

                    I smell a sociopath with a developing fascistic streak in one of his personae.

                    Away with thee Ian, sir !

                  • McFlock

                    Yeah well, some dairy farmers find it easier to watch things die of starvation than others do.

                    But if they really were that fucking ethical that they wanted to supply people food regardless of politics, they wouldn’t be in one of the most wasteful and environmentally damaging food production industries on the planet. They’d grow lentils or some such thing – that would help them feed even more millions.

                    But really, your average dairy farmer switched over from sheep and so on in the last 30 or 40 years, purely just for the coin.

                  • Crunchtime

                    “Your mate Saddam”? Intentional arsehole behaviour. Fix up or get out

        • halfcrown 5.2.1.4

          Comrade, who are the “associated left wing scum” ?

      • tricledrown 5.2.2

        ian don’t forget law enforcement officers Rwingers Doctors and nurses teachers probably from charter schools clerics ie graham capill types

    • foreign waka 5.3

      As I understand it Will@Welly is talking about mainstream schooling, this is the majority.
      Besides, there is no History Teaching in Schools anyway. They learn why Anzac day is a holiday like a Hollywood story and some Maori traditions as the true history is somewhat distorted anyway. Because of this there is void in peoples minds about their past and culture with a demotivating factor as there is nothing to defend, nothing to stand for and nothing to define the future by.

  6. gobsmacked 6

    Come on Moderators, do some zapping.

    There’s too much of this deliberate derailing going on, it’s happening more and more, it’s concerted and is killing discussions on topic.

    To everyone else: DNFTT.

    • Dumrse 6.1

      What a fucking cry baby. Get a fucking life and post a comment. Put the tissues away.

      • Crunchtime 6.1.1

        @Dumarse get a life and post a comment worth posting.

        Every post you’ve made on this page so far has been a waste of your time and the time of everyone who has read it. Completely off-topic nonsense ramblings about teachers and schools.

    • Murray Olsen 6.2

      I second that. The morons add nothing. As for dumbarse, who thinks having a life is posting comments……pfft! All these idiots do is post their crap here, then rush back to their WhaleSpew/KiwiBog circle jerk with half an erection to beat their hollow chests in front of the assembled dribblers. They’re not even amusing.

  7. Will@Welly 7

    Gee, there’s some real thicko’s here. John Key and Murray McCully both denied there is/was a problem in Sri Lanka – human rights aren’t an issue. Yeah right.
    Then half you people want to turn it into a discussion about pedophillia – spare me. The point I was making, in Sri Lanka history is being re-written, the same here. This arsehole of a Government is doing the same here – civil rights – what civil rights !! Remember John Key thinks it’s okay to blockade boat people, and maroon them on islands with no future, no hope, just as Australia is doing – now there’s a country well versed in human rights and treating it’s ethnic minorities well – not !!
    My point, comparing what has and is happening in Sri Lanka and here with the education system, the ruling elite are re-writing the history books so that what happened previously is obliterated from the past.. In another 10 – 20 years will anyone remember that tertiary education was once free in this country, and that we valued intellectual thought and debate. Today anyone with a free thought gets shot down as a radical and a communist by the Minister-in-charge-of-everything, Steven Joyce.
    As for the trip to Sri Lanka, $2 million is our Government’s 30 pieces of filthy lucre – John Key would betray anyone and everyone for a bit of dosh.

  8. Tigger 8

    From the article:
    No, it’s not. And I don’t think that our stance is soft by comparison. We sit pretty much in the middle of the spectrum,” he insisted.

    Dreadful misquote here. Surely his real words were We sit pretty much in the middle of the FENCE,” he insisted.

    • Chocolate 8.1

      He is a twerp. And people working in the area know it and laugh about him when they talk about him.

      Middle of the spectrum, btw, is …

      red
      orange
      yellow
      GREEN !
      blue
      indigo
      violet

    • miravox 8.2

      Key is sitting a whole paddock away from his mates Stephen Harper of Canada, who boycotted, and <David Cameron, who appears to have been compelled to attend but has made his view clear

      The British prime minister has been the most vocal critic of Sri Lanka’s record on human rights at the end of its 26-year civil war, during the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting (Chogm) being held in the capital, Colombo.

      Cameron said on Saturday: “Let me be very clear. If an investigation is not completed by March, then I will use our position on the United Nations human rights council to work with the UN human rights commission and call for a full credible and independent international inquiry.”

      I guess he doesn’t have a trade deal to complete.

  9. BrucetheMoose 9

    Just to prove what a majestic hypocrite Key is, when questioned on concerns on the treatment of peoples in Sri Lanka, Key repeatedly mentioned how NZ holds Human Rights in high esteem. Yet in Christchurch, the NZ Human Rights Commission has on various occasions raised serious concerns over the treatment of the people in the worst areas, especially the Red Zones. The HRC even supported one group that took their case to the High Court over their plight, which they won. Yet, not only did Key completely ignore the Human Rights Commission’s concerns and advice over the matter, but he ignored the judges ruling from the court decision and is now appealing it. He also ignored advice from the HRC on the GSCB bill. Yet here we have the lowly vile vermin rolling out the Human Rights card to deflect any controversial ramifications associated with this trip. Do you think the journalists will challenge him on his sudden holy than thou stance on human rights matters and his true intent. Next story bite please, and give me my weekly pay check.

  10. chrissy 10

    john key.*I can say anything I like because I never mean any of it, whatever it takes mate*

  11. John Key chooses to ignore suffering to humans in order to promote more suffering to non-humans (cows and elephants).

  12. Actually, that tells us about nation-states, diplomacy, trade and politics. It tells us little about the National Party, other than that they’re involved in the above. I’d be surprised if a Labour foreign minister had done any different.

  13. Ron 13

    I cannot understand why so many right wing people seem drawn to The Standard for the sole purpose of leaving right-wing propaganda. Are they expecting that the ‘brilliance’ of their rhetoric is suddenly going to cause a rash of honest people suddenly abandoning their political stance and heading over to a party that regards political prostitution as they only measure of success.
    If not why on earth are they wasting their time leaving diatribes on this site.
    I imagine there might be a psychological reason in that they are secretly desirous of being in a left wing political movement but they realise that their intellectual ability is not of a sufficient standard. This might be why they want to change the education system. Dumb it down to their own level?

    • Ian 13.1

      Well ,actually Ron ,I come here to observe herd mentality. But I can learn more from my cows .

      • tricledrown 13.1.1

        Ian yes you could especially as you talk so much of what comes out of their rear’s!
        Mad cows disease Ian foaming at the mouth yet.

      • Arfamo 13.1.2

        Your cows would probably manage punctuation better than you do too, Ian. All the best with your mucking out.

  14. Tracey 14

    Mccully says there is no human rights issue yet key pretends to spends his 15 mins with sri lanka pm talking about human rights.

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  • Many regions need by-election levels of support
    Northland is not the only region struggling under the National Government, but unfortunately places like Gisborne, Whanganui and Tasman do not have by-elections on the horizon, Labour’s Economic Development spokesperson David Clark says. “A desperate National Party has thrown money… ...
    9 hours ago
  • Real changes must come from CYF review
    A well-overdue revamp of Child, Youth and Family cannot be just another cost cutting exercise, Labour’s Children’s spokesperson Jacinda Ardern says. “Labour has been pushing for a review for some time. It was part of our policy at the election. ...
    9 hours ago
  • Latest Air NZ plan carries on regional snub
    Christchurch Labour Members of Parliament have secured a meeting with Air New Zealand boss Christopher Luxon following the airline’s decision to cut its Christchurch to Tokyo summer flights.  They are also calling on the Minister of Transport Simon Bridges to… ...
    1 day ago
  • Carmel Sepuloni back in Social Development role
    Andrew Little has reinstated Carmel Sepuloni as Labour’s Social Development spokesperson following the sentencing of her mother in the New Plymouth District Court today. “It has been a tough time for Carmel, but we both agreed it was appropriate she… ...
    1 day ago
  • Government taking Kiwis for April Fools
    Many Kiwis will be wondering if the joke is on them when a raft of Government changes come into effect tomorrow, Labour Leader Andrew Little says. “First is ACC and National’s unwillingness to end its rort of Kiwi businesses which… ...
    1 day ago
  • Time to show RMA housing affordability plans
    Labour is challenging the Government to reveal its plans to make housing more affordable through amending the Resource Management Act, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Labour remains willing to consider the proposals on housing affordability on their merits and… ...
    1 day ago
  • John Key now admits no broad support for RMA changes
    John Key has now been forced to admit that he never had the broad political support to gut the Resource Management Act, says Labour’s Environment spokesperson Megan Woods. “Cornerstone legislation such as the RMA should never be changed without genuine… ...
    2 days ago
  • National’s changes leave student bodies in chaos
    The chaos created by National’s scrapping of compulsory student association membership may force the 86-year old Union of Students Association to fold, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson David Cunliffe says. “National’s 2011 Voluntary Student Membership Act has left student associations with… ...
    2 days ago
  • Tragedy must be impetus for better training
    The Police Minister needs to explain why unsworn and inadequately trained custody officers were put in a situation of caring for a medically unwell prisoner on a busy Saturday night, Labour’s Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. Commenting on an IPCA… ...
    5 days ago
  • Government must be more transparent on investor state clauses
    The Government must be more transparent around the draft investor state dispute settlements in the TPPA, says David Parker, Labour’s Export Growth and Trade spokesperson. “Labour is pro trade, and is proud of the FTA we negotiated with China, which… ...
    6 days ago
  • Protect university staff and student voices
    The Green Party believes ensuring student and staff representation on university councils is important. National recently passed a law reducing the size of university governance councils while increasing the proportion of the members nominated by, guess who… Steven Joyce. The… ...
    GreensBy Gareth Hughes MP
    6 days ago
  • C’mon Nick what’s the truth on the RMA
     “Nick Smith has got to fess up and tell us what is happening to his much vaunted RMA reform, Labour’s Environment spokesperson Megan Woods says.  “With just a day and a half to go before the polls open in Northland,… ...
    6 days ago
  • SSC salaries sink National’s spending spin
    Massive pay rises at the State Services Commission prove National’s claims of clamping down on spending in the public sector are simply fantasy, Labour’s State Services spokesman Kris Faafoi says. “Salaries in this one department are almost $70,000 more than… ...
    6 days ago
  • We can fix Christchurch and keep our assets
    The Christchurch City Council is seeking public feedback on its proposed 10 year plan for Council revenue and spending. This is probably one of the most significant 10 year plans ever to be written by a local council because of… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    6 days ago
  • Epidemic of serious assaults in our prisons
    Labour wants stab proof vests and pepper spray for all corrections officers to keep them safe from the epidemic of serious prison assaults that are occurring around the country’s jails, says Labour’s Corrections Spokesperson Kelvin Davis.  “There have been five… ...
    7 days ago
  • Listen to the locals Hekia!
    Minister Hekia Parata needs to understand what consultation is, Port Hills MP Ruth Dyson says. “It means you have to listen to what people say in their submissions and then be able to demonstrate you have considered their views when… ...
    1 week ago
  • Thanking our caregivers
    Let’s celebrate and thank our caregivers. This week is caregivers’ week. It’s a chance to acknowledge the thousands of women, and occasional other person, who are caring for the elderly and disabled in our country. They hold people’s lives in… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    1 week ago
  • Mana Post shop the best outcome for community
    Labour MP for Mana Kris Faafoi has welcomed the move to place the services from the Mana Post shop to a local small business. “This is the best outcome for the community we could ask for. All the vital services… ...
    1 week ago
  • Roundup: UN finds it “probably” causes cancer
    At last the UN has spoken out against the widely-used weedkiller Roundup. The UN’s International Agency for Research on Cancer has identified glyphosate, the principle ingredient in Roundup, as a probable carcinogen. They also include as probable carcinogens the insecticides&hellip; ...
    GreensBy Steffan Browning MP
    1 week ago
  • World water day: eight rivers in one day
    Our photo journey started by the Waioweka (also known as Waioeka) River which flows from Te Urewera to Opotiki, and is surrounded by beautiful forest. The water looked great! Kopeopeo Canal It contrasted greatly with the Kopeopeo Canal near Whakatane,… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    1 week ago
  • We all benefit when education meets everyone’s needs
    As Dyslexia week comes to a close,  Dyslexia NZ have reminded us that around 10% of our citizens are dyslexic and are entitled to better support. One of their strongest arguments is that failure to provide identification and support for… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty MP
    1 week ago
  • Big change starts small
    Today marks Race Relations Day in New Zealand. Race Relations Day coincides with the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination.  The United Nations General Assembly chose this day as it marks the day in 1960 when 69 peaceful… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Israel, Palestine and the question of statehood
    The knife-edge election in Israel complicates the Middle East situation, even more than usual. The Prime Minister-elect, Binyamin Netanyahu, is moving to form a government. Netanyahu has indicated that, during his term, a Palestinian state would not be established. That… ...
    GreensBy Kennedy Graham MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Christchurch transport goes backwards
    The Green Party has a vision of a liveable, accessible Christchurch with a sense of identity and strong connected communities. Instead, 2013 census figures released by Statistics New Zealand reveal a fractured community, and tell a story of frustrated Christchurch commuters… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Super Fund should divest $140 million in high risk coal
    The Green Party is calling on the New Zealand Super Fund to divest their $140 million investment in coal companies that are vulnerable to becoming financially stranded according to a damning new report from Oxford University. The Smith School of… ...
    GreensBy Russel Norman MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Learn to count with Mark Osborne: 0 + 1 = ?
    The adage about the first casualty of war being truth is one that might often be applied to the political battle for hearts and minds, and of course votes. A rather unfortunate example of this has been arriving in the… ...
    GreensBy David Clendon MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Is it still a safety net when the holes are this big?
    Over the last few weeks I’ve been wondering how safe our income support system is for people, especially those with cognitive or learning disabilities. I’ve been trying to support a young man who was severely injured in a workplace accident… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Pasifika – protecting the Pacific needed now more than ever.
    Over the weekend thousands of Aucklanders flocked to celebrate our city’s diverse Pacific communities and cultures at the annual Pasifika festival and the Greens were there to join them. The Pasifika festival has been held every year for 23… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche MP
    2 weeks ago
  • Sounds Stakeholders Seek a Sustainable Future
    It was heartening to see a large number of people who care about the Marlborough Sounds come together at the Marlborough Marine Futures’ forum in Picton on March 8. Fellow Green MP Steffan Browning, who lives in Marlborough, and I… ...
    GreensBy Eugenie Sage MP
    3 weeks ago

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