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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180674</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe he was referring to the moral vacillation; the selfish &#039;pragmatisim&#039;?

Nobody gave a flying fuck about the gypsies and the gays or the cripples and brain damaged and the jews and the communists or anarchists until after the war was over.

All that manpower tied away from the front line? 

Likewise nobody gives a fuck about the primary recipients of climate collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe he was referring to the moral vacillation; the selfish &#8216;pragmatisim&#8217;?</p>
<p>Nobody gave a flying fuck about the gypsies and the gays or the cripples and brain damaged and the jews and the communists or anarchists until after the war was over.</p>
<p>All that manpower tied away from the front line? </p>
<p>Likewise nobody gives a fuck about the primary recipients of climate collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: Macro</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180670</link>
		<dc:creator>Macro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be dealt a hand of starvation and death by the developed nations is pretty much holocaust territory in my opinion. OK no gas chambers - but the same outcome - millions will die.

captcha &quot;hangs&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be dealt a hand of starvation and death by the developed nations is pretty much holocaust territory in my opinion. OK no gas chambers &#8211; but the same outcome &#8211; millions will die.</p>
<p>captcha &#8220;hangs&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180492</link>
		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boo hoo.  Is this how our wonderful world will end?  Quenchino and Singularian locked in futile battle, teeth clenched (the ones they haven&#039;t knocked out) fighting the ultimate way with every weapon they possess in spitting fury over not being right or listened to when it counted and there was time to think about what could be done and do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo hoo.  Is this how our wonderful world will end?  Quenchino and Singularian locked in futile battle, teeth clenched (the ones they haven&#8217;t knocked out) fighting the ultimate way with every weapon they possess in spitting fury over not being right or listened to when it counted and there was time to think about what could be done and do it?</p>
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		<title>By: quenchino</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180491</link>
		<dc:creator>quenchino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I, for one, can&#039;t wait to slam my jackboot on your neck and squash you into the mud of history.&lt;/em&gt;

As predicted... angry, impotent whimpering.

&lt;em&gt;Arrogant bullying losers.&lt;/em&gt;

This immediately after making threats yourself? It was you who came in all swaggering bombast making febrile claims that all of the accepted climate science was &#039;flat-earth propaganda&#039; and that those of us who understand it are nothing but &#039;useful idiots&#039;.  And then when you are called on your stupidity you start whimpering about being &#039;bullied&#039;.... how childishly pathetic. Go away and grow some. 

I&#039;m no longer going to indulge ignorance. There is no excuse for it and no reason to give it a platform. If you are just going to repeat sub-cretinous drivel from denier sites you will be treated as a trolling crank.

If you want to learn something the net is full of superb resources; one of the best is Tamino at Open Mind. He is a real mathematician, and his explanations of statistical technique and how it applies to climate science are highly readable. But you have to put some time into it; a quick skim read is pointless, I&#039;ve had to put in days and days of time to get a grasp of some of his material... but it is absolutely worth it.

Come back when you have done some reading, and have some honest and real questions. Until then don&#039;t expect a polite reception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I, for one, can&#8217;t wait to slam my jackboot on your neck and squash you into the mud of history.</em></p>
<p>As predicted&#8230; angry, impotent whimpering.</p>
<p><em>Arrogant bullying losers.</em></p>
<p>This immediately after making threats yourself? It was you who came in all swaggering bombast making febrile claims that all of the accepted climate science was &#8216;flat-earth propaganda&#8217; and that those of us who understand it are nothing but &#8216;useful idiots&#8217;.  And then when you are called on your stupidity you start whimpering about being &#8216;bullied&#8217;&#8230;. how childishly pathetic. Go away and grow some. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no longer going to indulge ignorance. There is no excuse for it and no reason to give it a platform. If you are just going to repeat sub-cretinous drivel from denier sites you will be treated as a trolling crank.</p>
<p>If you want to learn something the net is full of superb resources; one of the best is Tamino at Open Mind. He is a real mathematician, and his explanations of statistical technique and how it applies to climate science are highly readable. But you have to put some time into it; a quick skim read is pointless, I&#8217;ve had to put in days and days of time to get a grasp of some of his material&#8230; but it is absolutely worth it.</p>
<p>Come back when you have done some reading, and have some honest and real questions. Until then don&#8217;t expect a polite reception.</p>
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		<title>By: singularian</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180481</link>
		<dc:creator>singularian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah whatever sadsack.

You realise what a complete dickhead you sound like sometimes, right? 

I&#039;ve got better places to be. Enjoy your echo chamber.

Merry Christian festival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah whatever sadsack.</p>
<p>You realise what a complete dickhead you sound like sometimes, right? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got better places to be. Enjoy your echo chamber.</p>
<p>Merry Christian festival.</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
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		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill what about starting a thread on some of these alternatives you are thinking of to replace capitalism.  Is social credit one of them?
I have been involved with Green Dollars which is a good idea but fuzzy round the edges in its economic analysis.  
Helping people with small loans like the Graneem? Bank and small venture trusts in NZ is good.
Does not having capitalism mean not using money?  There is a whole way of life built on making a living selling symbols and advice rather than doing anything physical which often pays very badly.  How can this world dichotomy be ameliorated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill what about starting a thread on some of these alternatives you are thinking of to replace capitalism.  Is social credit one of them?<br />
I have been involved with Green Dollars which is a good idea but fuzzy round the edges in its economic analysis.<br />
Helping people with small loans like the Graneem? Bank and small venture trusts in NZ is good.<br />
Does not having capitalism mean not using money?  There is a whole way of life built on making a living selling symbols and advice rather than doing anything physical which often pays very badly.  How can this world dichotomy be ameliorated?</p>
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		<title>By: singularian</title>
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		<dc:creator>singularian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You still find the need to moderate me Lynn. Why don&#039;t you leave my &#039;dumbarse&#039; comments up so everyone can see how smart you are?

Unless the truth is too much???????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You still find the need to moderate me Lynn. Why don&#8217;t you leave my &#8216;dumbarse&#8217; comments up so everyone can see how smart you are?</p>
<p>Unless the truth is too much???????</p>
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		<title>By: singularian</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180474</link>
		<dc:creator>singularian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ban them all right felix?

I&#039;m sure it&#039;s been &#039;explained&#039; but the fact is they didn&#039;t predict cooling so either the models were wrong or the data is wrong, which is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ban them all right felix?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s been &#8216;explained&#8217; but the fact is they didn&#8217;t predict cooling so either the models were wrong or the data is wrong, which is it?</p>
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		<title>By: singularian</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180473</link>
		<dc:creator>singularian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix and Pascal - maybe you should study a little more history.

You&#039;re just looking plain ignorant from where I sit.

Lynn - moderation now? Haha echo chamber?

&lt;strong&gt;[lprent: it was evident that you weren&#039;t interested in discussion, and more interested in trolling. I put you in moderation to see if you could write some comments that had content and didn&#039;t look like flame starters. So far that hasn&#039;t happened. Your last two comments have zero information content as have all of your comments this morning. Eventually I&#039;ll get tired of noting on them and releasing them. ]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix and Pascal &#8211; maybe you should study a little more history.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re just looking plain ignorant from where I sit.</p>
<p>Lynn &#8211; moderation now? Haha echo chamber?</p>
<p><strong>[lprent: it was evident that you weren't interested in discussion, and more interested in trolling. I put you in moderation to see if you could write some comments that had content and didn't look like flame starters. So far that hasn't happened. Your last two comments have zero information content as have all of your comments this morning. Eventually I'll get tired of noting on them and releasing them. ]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180420</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Not such a singularian after all, eh? &lt;/i&gt;

I guess he means it in the &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3039.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;singularity&#039; &lt;/a&gt;  &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6891.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sense&lt;/a&gt;

Basically fancies himself as the vanguard of the borg proletariat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Not such a singularian after all, eh? </i></p>
<p>I guess he means it in the <a href='http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/3039.html' rel="nofollow">&#8216;singularity&#8217; </a>  <a href='http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6891.html' rel="nofollow">sense</a></p>
<p>Basically fancies himself as the vanguard of the borg proletariat.</p>
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		<title>By: Gosman</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180414</link>
		<dc:creator>Gosman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As predicted by many observers, the Copenhagen summit was a lot of hot air and not much in the way of substance.

Given the fact that hardly anybody came away from the Summit smelling of roses where does this leave NZ in terms of our AGW stance?

It will be much harder to critisise NZ&#039;s position when noone else is making much progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As predicted by many observers, the Copenhagen summit was a lot of hot air and not much in the way of substance.</p>
<p>Given the fact that hardly anybody came away from the Summit smelling of roses where does this leave NZ in terms of our AGW stance?</p>
<p>It will be much harder to critisise NZ&#8217;s position when noone else is making much progress.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180410</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not such a singularian after all, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not such a singularian after all, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180407</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has all been explained so many times.

Can someone ban this moron?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has all been explained so many times.</p>
<p>Can someone ban this moron?</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180404</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>singularian: Ummm, idiotic taunting by a dumbass too incapable to hold their end up in the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>singularian: Ummm, idiotic taunting by a dumbass too incapable to hold their end up in the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/failing-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-180403</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>singularian: There is no current cooling. 

From memory the most of the average hottest years world wide have happened in the last decade.

Perhaps you&#039;d like to actually read and consider evidence rather than offloading stupid incorrect sound bites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>singularian: There is no current cooling. </p>
<p>From memory the most of the average hottest years world wide have happened in the last decade.</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;d like to actually read and consider evidence rather than offloading stupid incorrect sound bites.</p>
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