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Farrar back on the PS payroll?

Written By: - Date published: 12:12 pm, December 6th, 2008 - 134 comments
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A mate just pointed out that the metadata of David Farrar’s election analysis document suggests it was authored on a Parliamentary Service computer. With the document open in Microsoft Word go to the ‘File’ menu then down to ‘Properties’. You’ll see something like the image below:

Of course you’ll notice that the document title looks historical but Word is pretty aggressive when it comes to updating its metadata automatically (particularly when it comes to local user data on the machine in use).

A month or so ago, our own IrishBill pointed out Cameron Slater’s (Whaleoil’s) own admission to The Herald that he was working closely with the National Party research unit raking muck.

Perhaps his mate Davey is back in there too…

134 comments on “Farrar back on the PS payroll?”

  1. higherstandard 1

    So ?

    Are you expecting people to be surprised that Farra is partisan – he’s always been pretty open about where he stands and he does actually post under his own name.

  2. John Dalley 2

    Though he will always say otherwis, Davey has always been a paid “Lackey” of the National Party.
    Maybe his and his companies should be included in National Electoral Expense Returns,
    but as i say, he will always say “Not”

  3. all_your_base 3

    higherstandard – it’s as much about hypocrisy of the National Party digging dirt and running lines through the Whaleoils and the Farrars while their smiling front-man goes on relentlessly about running a “positive campaign”.

  4. No-one is acting surprised that Farrar is partisan, HS. The point is this document was written on a Parliamentry Services computer. That means David, like Slater is actually working with the National Party research unit (they’re employed by Parliamentry Services).

    What we’re beginning to see is a web of relationships, how the Nats get out spin to the media via supposedly independent sources.

    It’s actually a useful docunment, but David, some graphs please, endess tables are very hard to interpret.

  5. lprent 5

    The last page is pretty weird in the comments. Looks like a different election to 2008.

    captcha: keep Judging
    Thank you machine. I will…

  6. Graeme 6

    I’d say this was fairly simple. The same thing has happened with my CV.

    I created my first CV on a Victoria University computer. Every so often, I update it, and although it’s been worked on on half a dozen computers since uni, there’s still VUW meta-data in it – even in the PDF I then turn it into. The last time I updated it, the updating was over quicker than my efforts to clear the remnants of that data.

    What has pretty obviously happened here is that DPF created an analysis of the election in 1999, when he worked in Parliament. And he has just been updating that file, instead of starting from scratch (because why would you?).

  7. all_your_base 7

    It may well be that simple Graeme, it’s just that the ‘Author’ data seems usually to be updated quite aggressively by Word.

  8. vto 8

    i don’t see what that has to do with the price of fish

  9. Janet 9

    VTO

    Are you happy for your taxes to support Kiwiblog and Whaleoil while they are not admitting that they are part of the National Party parliamentary machine – in fact trying to disguise it? These days conflicts of interest, ethical business and political behaviour are quite a big deal. If they are on the payroll they should just say it and put a conflict of interest statement on their blogs.

  10. NX 10

    Graeme wrote:
    I’d say this was fairly simple. The same thing has happened with my CV.

    Yeah, I agree with Graeme.

    If you recycle Word documents – the author field doesn’t seem to change. Which can be awkward if the document is from a previous employer.

  11. rjs131 11

    I think the National party “running lines” through Salter and Kiwiblog is about as likely as the Labour party “running lines” through this blog – something that has been repeatedly denied.

  12. sux2bu 12

    Feeblest dirt-digging attempt since Mike Williams. Did any of you geniuses look at Documents>Properties>’Last saved by’ ? Guess who last saved it – a user called David Farrar, not Parliamentary Services. Did you geniuses also try modifying the doc and saving it and see what happens ? “Author” is still Parliamentary Services, “last saved by” is now you…

  13. Vonnie Boy 13

    Har har har, metadata is hilarious.

  14. Graeme 14

    it’s just that the ‘Author’ data seems usually to be updated quite aggressively by Word.

    I wish!

    My CV was created on a VUW PC on MS Word. The very first time I saved it, I’d typed my middle name incorrectly on the first line, and it borrowed that for the file name first time ’round. Naturally, I’d fixed it at the time in the document, and in the file name, but even now, opening and amending the document in Open Office, and then creating a PDFof that open office document, the author of the PDF (!) is still SCS (the VUW Student Computing Services or something like that) and the embedded title (the bit it shows in task bar) of that PDF still has my middle name spelt incorrectly. It seriously took me an hour to fix it last time – manually changing the properties in the pdf file wasn’t even close to enough.

  15. Tim Ellis 15

    ayb, while you’re going around outing people for working in parliamentary services, have you got any declarations to make of your own?

  16. One might ask how you knew how to spot this.

    What’s that saying about protesting too much?

  17. Tim. No ayb doesn’t. don’t believe everything you read on whaleoil. what’s he up to now? About 20 names for 6 writers isn’t it?

  18. I think the fact DPF is running his polling services call-outs from National party HQ is probably enough evidence of the fact he’s benefiting from the National party.

    What I find more interesting than the no-brainer that Farrar works for National is the fact that there is an increasing amount of evidence that National were actively using Slater’s blog as an outlet for smear campaigns despite his lax security…

  19. Hey Tim – I’ve got an admission to make…

    I’m your dad. Say hi to your mum for me.

  20. dave 20

    Go back and have a look at the data creation – last printed in..2002. The document is at least 5 years old. What a weak allegation.

    [lprent: I vaguely seem to remember you describing whale's even more tenuous 'evidence' about photoshop jpegs as being good. Not exactly consistent in your opinions are you?]

  21. Rex Widerstrom 21

    Good grief.

    I see Lynn’s commented here and I’m surprised he hasn’t weighed in with some technical knowledge (which in most areas is far superior to mine, but I’m not sure about Word, since, to be fair, he obviously doesn’t use much of the Evil Empire’s product).

    As Graeme is trying to tell you, Word does not “aggressively” update metadata. It doesn’t even “effectively” update metadata. Especially when you open an older version document in 2007* and especially if you’re using Sharepoint, as I imagine a company like David’s would be doing.

    And that’s what’s happened here, judging by the original title referring to 1999 figures but the template on which it’s based being normal.dotm (which is a 2007 extension).

    You’re also looking at a document originally created on a Windows platform on a Mac platform. The number of differences (despite what Microsoft claim) between the way similarly named products behave on the two are the subject of many an erudite exposition, as they number in the bazillions.

    You get upset – and rightly so – at accusations The Standard was “run from the 9th floor”, yet you endeavour to smear David with the same sort of innuendo based on a poor understanding of something as flimsy as Word metadata?

    Shame on you, a_y_b – I think you owe David an apology.

    * that refers to the date field… I don’t have time to find one specific to name, but it’s basically every field.

  22. sux2bu 22

    Not just an apology is owed, you should also praise his eco friendliness by not printing this doc since 2002 LOL

  23. Rex Widerstrom 23

    Oh, by the way Graeme et al, Microsoft claims it’s possible to easily remove metadata. I can’t vouch for the methods suggested as I’ve never tried any.

    But isn’t the introduction hilarious?! They assume – and probably rightly so – that the only people devious enough, and with the sort of lies that need hiding, are lawyers:

    Legal professionals are familiar with the concept of “discovery” and the requirements set out by the courts for complying with discovery demands. They also understand that they are only required to provide the documents and data set out in the discovery demand. Unfortunately, if you are providing electronic versions of your documents, you may “discover” that you are inadvertently supplying more information than you realize.

    Like, say, in an anti-trust case before the US Supreme Court? Mwahahahaha!!

  24. gingercrush 24

    Hmm I would have thought that the Buy Kiwi campaign which National suspended would be more important than whatever the hell Farrar is up to.

  25. Johnty Rhodes 25

    4 weeks on & you are in denial about ‘who is running the show.’

    I downloaded the offending doc and saved it, it still says Parliamentary Services.

    GC – buy NZ made means high price for most people, but quality is there mostly. At least we will see the end of Oliver Driver in the TV ads. We do but a lot of NZ made, fruit/veges/meat/dairy etc. Clothes are too expensive if made in NZ.

  26. [deleted]

    [lprent: You're censored out of this site because you routinely lie about it, you lie about the people posting on it, you are technically incompetent, and essentially I think that you are a moronic troll who never says anything worth reading. I presume that answers your question - don't come back]

    [lprent: I see that you don't learn. When I say don't come back, that is exactly what I mean. Added you to the blacklist for the anti-spam engine to deal with]

  27. lprent 27

    Rex: I don’t think that a_y_b owes any apology based on Davids own standards. Rather I think that DPF probably owes an apology to a_y_b.

    Think back a couple of months. That technical incompetent Slater at nationals smear unit used a similarity of installer names in the photoshop metadata data in jpegs to assert identities for IrishBill and Tane. It wasn’t even an exact match. 

    In the case of a_y_b, on basis of no proof at all he asserted that a_y_b was some guy on the 9th floor.

    All of which DPF happily accepted as true and ran posts on. That was despite knowing (at least he should have known) that the evidence was technically about as tenuous as a wet paper bag. From my recollection, DPF ran with a post that asserted that all of these things were true, along with a whole pile of other wingnuts. Now that as ‘evidence’ is far more tenuous than what a_y_b put in his post today.

    I’m afraid that if that is the standard of proof required for a post, then this one has more legs. In my opinion, DPF has delineated the standard or proof required for this type of dogwhistle post. I’m sure that he’d be happy with a_y_b applying a higher standard of proof, and asking a similar question.

    So when I see DPF apologizing for that incident and others in his illustrious dogwhistle career, then I might agree with you. Somehow I doubt it.

    BTW: You are correct, I seldom use MS Office these days. I prefer Open Office. But I have used MS Office or MS Word since ~1985.

  28. sux2bu 28

    If being technically incompetent and lying about people is basis for being banned, can we assume you’ve given All Your Base his marching orders for this lying, technically incompetent, post ?

    [lprent: I was comparing a_y_b with DPF, who appears to like having a public perception of being better than cam. Cam is banned because he routinely makes crap up about this site that requires me to waste effort - so I'll let a program deal with the idiot.]

  29. sux2bu 29

    Okayyyy…so you bring Whaleoil into this by casting aspersions on something he said previously, then he pops in for a a right-of-reply and you delete and ban him for it ? In the grand tradition of left wing “debate” down the ages…

    [lprent: No I banned him because he persistently lies about this site on his site. I just can't be bothered tidying up after the idiot, and he usually just comes here to try and stir up a flame session. Offhand I can't think of an intelligent thing that he has ever said here that has actually invoked discussion about something more enlightening than the size of his ego.

    There is no "right-of-reply" - have a look in our policy and try to find one. If he wants to 'reply' then he can do it elsewhere where I don't have to read it in my role as sysop.

    In my opinion he is spam - so thats where I've put him.]

  30. Lew 30

    C’mon, comparisons to WOBH aren’t merited … if this was his post the title would be `[person] sucking on Nanny State’s teat again.’ No question mark, nothing measured about it. And still no evidence.

    L

  31. higherstandard 31

    Lew – isn’t the real point ‘who really gives a damn apart from a few obsessives on opposing blogs’

    Clearly a no news day – although I must admit to being impressed by the Herald naming two fine people who are no longer as the NZers of the year.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10546746

    Perhaps a post on that rather than ayb’s fixations may have been warranted.

    Lynn – as an aside it might be prudent to leave people’s comments there for all to see why they were banned rather than just deleting.

    [lprent: Normally I would unless they were too obnoxious. However in this case I can't be bothered. It wasn't what he said, it was the fact he was here at all. I have expended far to much time on cam and see no reason for him to have access to this site]

  32. sux2bu 32

    You don’t think that intellectual honesty obliges you to give someone a chance to reply on the same forum you criticise them ? Does that strike you as the sign of a rigorous debate where you have full confidence you can defend your position with your wits rather than your delete key ?

  33. lprent 33

    Don’t you think that intellectual honesty would require that Cam gives himself an immediate lobotomy?

    After all this is the guy who said that r0b was running 08wire based on nothing more than a similarity of a first name and a psuedonym. (Rob Salmond was actually running 08wire)

  34. Lew 34

    HS: Fair comment. You have good standing here, maybe you could ask Lynn to put up a guest post rather than complaining about the things others feel like writing about – it’s a market, after all, and you’ve spied an opening. Be entrepreneurial!

    L

  35. sux2bu 35

    So your answer to abusing someone without right of reply is more abuse ? Obviously it’s your site and you can run it anyway you like, but do you think you’re impressing anyone who cares about having a fair discussion ? This kind of behaviour means you’ll only attract people who already agree with you and happily turn a blind eye to the editorial Stalinism. If you want to set up an echo chamber where you’re preaching to the choir all the time, that’s your call.

  36. lprent 36

    Lew,hs: Actually you generally don’t ask me. I’m still a bit of an amateur at actually writing posts. Which is why I put my own non-admin posts up on the weekend (also that is when I have time to try them out).

    The contact-us page has the general e-mail address that the posts for Guest Posts or ideas should be sent to. Which I don’t read…

    Generally they advise me that I should try to keep the posts down to about 400 words if possible and to use lots of links for background info. Make your point concisely and make sure that there is a clear opinion. The reason is that this site values opinion and not statements, because that gets the discussion going. They will also not edit particularly because your opinion should be your own. If one of them feels that it is worth putting up then they will do so.

    We will usually only put posts up as Guest Post and only identify with a psuedonym if at all. It is the ideas and opinion that are important and we prefer that the opinion is judged on its merits. That is why with the exception of myself and Clinton none of the posters have IRL identities.

    It is a lot harder than it looks..

  37. lprent 37

    sux: I’m far more concerned with the smooth running of the site based on the guidelines in policy. I express my opinion of people and their behaviour pretty clearly in moderator/sysop role. Sometimes that consists of what you’d consider as ‘abuse’ because that is what I feel about their behavior.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, there are probably as many people who lean right commenting here as who lean left. I seldom bother to intervene on opinion in moderator/sysop roles. Most of the time I’ll write a comment myself if I have time.

    Problem is with Cam is that he doesn’t add anything to the discussion and only appears to come here for disruption. He uses other forums to lie about the site and the people on it. So I can’t see any reason to let him disrupt things here because he annoys the hell out of me with his mindless dog whistling. It isn’t like he ever says anything here of any particular value, and he isn’t even amusing.

  38. sux2bu 38

    I tried to read your policy but I couldn’t get past the first line without collapsing into laughter “We encourage robust debate and we’re tolerant of dissenting views”. You should do comedy…
    When you want to ban a dissenting view, you declare it ‘spam’ and ban it. That way you kid yourselves that you’re not banning views. Does anyone buy that ?

  39. Good research. Farrar looks extremely dodgy on Farrar’s part.

  40. lprent 40

    sux: Obviously you don’t understand the concept of ‘debate’.

    Anyway I have to get back to the code and preventing client side caching of the pages in dumb caching systems. IMO That is far more important to this site than your opinion

  41. sux2bu 41

    Yes i see now that the only opinions important to the site are the admins and those who agree with them .All else is ‘spam’

  42. Janet 42

    GC
    Buy NZ made generally means supporting NZ workers so I am very sad but not surprised that the ideologues of the right have cancelled it.

    But it will be back when we again have a govt that cares about NZ workers.

  43. Dean 43

    LP:

    “So when I see DPF apologizing for that incident and others in his illustrious dogwhistle career, then I might agree with you. Somehow I doubt it.”

    So, because he did it, it’s ok that you do it too?

    Glad to see you’re not aspiring to be higher on any moral or intellectual ladder than those you choose to oppose.

    Tit for tat is so droll. So was AYB’s completely fabricated assertion that Word “agressively” changes the metadata in documents. Honestly, a simple google search would have told him otherwise. But did he choose to do that? No way! There is dirt to be dished, right? I reckon he must have taken lessons from Mr Williams.

    “We will usually only put posts up as Guest Post and only identify with a psuedonym if at all. It is the ideas and opinion that are important and we prefer that the opinion is judged on its merits. That is why with the exception of myself and Clinton none of the posters have IRL identities.”

    That’d explain batman then.

  44. Rex Widerstrom 44

    I’ve been out all day and have just come back and read Lynn’s response so apologies for the delay. In any case I see Dean has said what I wanted to say. Interestingly enough,it’s exactly the same point as I made in response to infused implying it would be okay for National to ram through policy with minimal consultation because “Labour did exactly that”.

    I said to him, as I say to you now – two wrongs don’t make a right. Like a lot of cliches, that one survives because it’s a succinct way of stating an irrefutable truth.

    I know most of The Standard’s authors have their own reasons for anonymity, and I respect that. But I also respect David’s courage in posting under his own name. I knew when I started doing so I’d risk attracting the obvious smears… I’m pleased to note that hasn’t happened here but has at Kiwiblog (when DPF leapt on it quickly) and at Tim Blair (where no action was taken, so I never returned).

    However, those who post under pseudonyms must expect that the “price” of that is speculation – often public speculation – as to their identities. I’ve seen it about Roar Prawn, about Poneke, about Queen Bee… and about the various contributors to The Standard.

    Personally I wish David would sometimes require a higher standard of research goes into the information he chooses to impart – especially when he’s so detailed, and puts so much effort into, posts on statistical topics.

    But simply because he chose to report someone else’s posts allegedly “outing” anonymous authors does not justify a_y_b’s implying that he is corrupt, and runs his blog as a front for someone else. Especially not when the “evidence” he offers is as much a piece of wishful thinking as was Slater’s.

  45. lprent 45

    Dean, Rex: We work with existing standards of political blogs, but with our own twist.

    I’m afraid that while dog whistle tactics are the norm, then I have no problem with following them. I’d expect that over the next 3 years we will contribute to refining the meme. That is the price of using them in the first place, that they can be used against the perpetrators as well. I don’t particularly like them but that is largely irrelevant. They obviously work. To not use them gives the lowest denominator (ie NACT) an advantage which means that they will continue to be used until the cost of using them rises too much.

    Of course they are a lot easier to use in ‘opposition’. I can testify that they are unpleasant to be on the receiving side. Perhaps after also being on the receiving side for 3 years or so, the current dog whistlers will find that out as well.

  46. QoT 46

    The definition of comedy is someone whose handle is “sux2bu” arguing about fairness and balanced debate.

  47. Dean 47

    LP:

    “I’m afraid that while dog whistle tactics are the norm, then I have no problem with following them. I’d expect that over the next 3 years we will contribute to refining the meme. That is the price of using them in the first place, that they can be used against the perpetrators as well. I don’t particularly like them but that is largely irrelevant. They obviously work. To not use them gives the lowest denominator (ie NACT) an advantage which means that they will continue to be used until the cost of using them rises too much.”

    That’s fair enough.

    But meanwhile AYB is incorrect about Word and it’s suppiosedly agressive updating of metadata. I don’t expect an apology from him towards DPF. But at least he didn’t go off on a half cocked tirade about things he really didn’t know about – like Mr Smith did about OECD company tax rates or the catholic church and it’s involvement in the holocaust.

    That really was a lolfest, LP. I understand the writers here have the right to free speech but it’s puzzling that they get so defensive when their assertions are questioned. Irishbill is the worst at this (yes, I still have the screenshots IB).

    IrishBill: Get a life Dean.

  48. Logie97 48

    I have looked back through this discussion and I cannot see what the sleeze Whaleoil is supposed to have said. From that I guess sux2bu also has no idea what Slater said either, yet appears to know that it was a quality comment. From the many statements that that creep (Slater) has made, and his disgusting photoshop antics, may I add my congratulations on your removing him. (In passing is it possible for Slater to have registered under another name?)

  49. sux2bu 49

    Damn what would you guys have to write about if the term “dogwhistle” didn’t exist. Five uses on one page alone. It’s as monotonous as Peters’ “media conspiracy” line.

  50. sux2bu 50

    QoT
    The definition of comedy is someone whose handle is “sux2bu’ arguing about fairness and balanced debate.

    I see you seem to be using the standard left-wing definintion of “fair and balanced”, meaning “everyone who agrees with me is o.k.”. I think it’s a totally appropriate handle. Labour ran the dirtiest, most negative campaign in living memory, tried to dredge up ridiculous smears that didn’t exist, even ( quelle horreur ! ) resorted to tax cuts, and still lost.
    It does, indeed, …[dramatic pause]…suck to be you !

    [lprent: I've just had a look through your comment history. You always act like you want to start flamewars rather than engage in debate. That isn't acceptable here - read the policy. I'd suggest that you lift your standards to something other than flame provocation level. If you don't then I will apply the Policy.

    So far it is difficult to see that you contribute to debate - probably why you don't understand what the term means. However at least you write your own lines so you aren't a troll.

    BTW: Note that this is a warning, and not an invitation for a debate. Read the section in the policy about the futility of arguing with a sysop.]

  51. Chris G 51

    sux: “Yes i see now that the only opinions important to the site are the admins and those who agree with them .All else is ‘spam’”

    Thats bullshit and you know it. There are regular comments from right leaning people on here who can comment with about being dumbasses. See: gingercrush, higherstandard et al.

    I can read their points of view, naturally disagree, but we can all continue debating in a relatively civil manner… and there you have found it, the keyword is Civil. That is something I definately dont see on certain other blogs, because of that I dont comment there!

    From what I’ve seen the stuff thats been censored has been the repeated lies, slander and general crap that comes out of some peoples – overwhelmingly large (perhaps the size of that very adverb?) – brains.

  52. lprent 52

    Chris: That is pretty much the standard. The opinions don’t matter to the moderators unless they get too damn gross. We’re mainly looking to see if people get in the way of debate. We’re really not into wasting too much time either. Stick around the net for long enough, then you’ve seen all of the different types of personality and tactics. It is mainly a matter of seeing if they have potential to grow and contribute to the debate. sux appears to have the ability to debate and discuss. But sux also appears to lack the intent or willingness to engage as anything apart from as a firestarter.

    Dean: Irish has been known to be a bit abrupt. But that is Irish’s style. It also shows in the style of posts.  It is just one of those things that people around here have to get used to. It is like putting up with me talking about things that happened on the net before some commentators here were born.

  53. sux2bu 53

    Chris G – “Civil” ? The comedy never ends on here. “you routinely lie”, “moronic troll”, “you are technically incompetent”, “idiot”, “persistently lies”, “far more important to this site than your opinion”, “you don’t understand what the term means”
    Comments by the admins, just on this page alone. And you reckon you’ve got the moral high ground over other blogs ?

  54. ianmac 54

    It always seemed possible to me that the promises that Key and others made and the responses geared to suit the audiences would come back to haunt him/them. “I expect a high standard from any one in my team.” Did the Auckland candidate who was accused of Immigration fraud become an MP? (Think Phillip Field.)
    Think of “Nanny State” if the anti-smoking in cars takes off. ( A good call by the way but…”) Think of the calls that Farrar has made and how these should be used used to “haunt them.”

  55. Gustavo Trellis 55

    I’ve never had any problems with TheStandard at all, I don’t particularly think anything I say on here would be agreeable and the admins and bloggers debate what you say, but I’ve never had an outright ban and I put that down to not being a troll.

  56. Chris G 56

    and just my speculation, DPF gets some dough from the Nats one way or another.

    The political propaganda machine is alive and has some serious $$$ in it… refer: Crosby/textor

  57. sux2bu 57

    Iprent – “So far it is difficult to see that you contribute to debate”. Well, I was the one who asked if anyone had tried modifying and saving the doc to see if the ‘author’ field changes ? It doesn’t, only the ‘last saved by’ field is updated. This is exactly the state of the DPF doc – created by Parliamentary Services, last saved by David Farrar. My contribution kills ayb’s entire story stone dead. Does proving The Standard wrong not count ?

  58. Chris G 58

    Im not going to respond to sux again (this doesnt count) because Gustavos comment above shows what I was getting at. Clearly sux doesnt understand.

  59. sux2bu 59

    After a few days being on here, I understand this blog completely now. I’m the one who made the most rational suggestion on testing ayb’s technical claims, and yet the admins don’t see how I contribute to the debate.
    He calls me a firestarter. Ayb started the fire with his nonsensical made-up claims. I put the fire out with a simple logical test.
    People talk about being civil, but the admin comments on this page contain as much abuse as the worst commentor on any other blog.
    Admins and commenters used the term “dogwhistle” five times directed towards DPF, and yet this whole post is intended to whistle up commenters’ conspiracy theories about DPF and Parliamentary Services.
    “Technically incompetent” and “lies” and “smear” are the admin’s favourite description for Whaleoil, and yet ayb’s entire post is a technically incompetent lie and smear. Any action taken or apology given ?

    And after all this, they assert that this blog has a high standard of behaviour and encourages debate and dissenting view.
    Horseshit. I’ve never seen a worse example of hipocrisy on a blog. I think I’ve seen enough of The Standard.

    [lprent: Rational is in your mind I suspect. If you don't come back then it would probably increase the level of debate]

  60. vto 60

    The problem with debating on The Standard is that too few people agree with me.

  61. ianmac 61

    Vto: Hard to debate with too few. A bit sad really. Reminds me of the man who stands on the footpath up town and invokes the bible in a loud monotone.

  62. George Darroch 62

    An anonymous poster here alleges that David Farrar is lying about working for Parliamentary Service. Lynn Prentice steps in and backs this person up. When alternative, simpler explanations are presented by Rex and Graeme (neither of whom are National Party hacks), they are dismissed, seemingly out of hand.

    Given that Wellington is a small place, Parliament even smaller, and David a relatively open and public figure, if he was lying about his employment, I think we’d find out from a person (not MS Word) pretty quickly. A quick use of occam’s razor gives the answer with the least assumptions as DPF telling the truth.

    Given that similar baseless allegations have been made against The Standard (all the posters), I’m disappointed to see them being repeated by people who are so outraged when they’re accused of the same things.

  63. TimeWarp 63

    You can win a battle but lose the war. Not sure of the point of this thread. It’s a non-story.

    Using WOBH as a reference point for standards is akin to not having any. “The Standard” should surely be just that, in multiple dimensions of the term?

  64. QoT 64

    Wow, sux2bu, you got that whole psychological analysis of me out of a single off-the-cuff comment? Which made no mention of either supporting or opposing the decision to ban Whaleoil? You should be on Sensing Murder, mate.

    Assuming I’m a Labour supporter – because we all know only two parties contested the last election, amirite? – is further evidence of your brilliance.

    There is plenty of back-and-forth on The Standard. Fuck, I’ve disagreed with various posters here from time to time. The idea that “Just allowing civilized debate on the merits of political ideas” doesn’t count as “disagreement” unless you also let through the all-caps rants of people who think “Liarbour” is a cutting and witty neologism is just baffling.

  65. sweeetdisorder 65

    Hmmm, I think you owe Farrar a big apology AYB.

  66. Thanks for this most amusing thread.

    A few people brought up the allegations made about whether certain parliamentary staffers blogged at The Standard. I don’t want to provoke anything here as as far as I am concerned it is old news, but I do want to point out a key difference – I have always denied being a parliamentary staff member since I left,

    I have always said that if the 9th floor staffer I named states in writing he has nothing to do with TS, does not blog there and/or does not produce material for others to blog there I would 100% take him at his word, and publish a retraction. That offer still stands. But note I would want a written statement.

    As far as I know there has never been any written statement made that people on the parliamentary payroll don’t blog at TS or produce material for others to blog. There have been very careful statements that no one does it as part of their job duties, but that is not the same thing.

    Again I don’t want to stir up a hornets nest here, but just did want to point out that as I said, I will accept someone’s word if they say I got it wrong about them, unless there is proof to the contrary.

    [lprent: DPF, so what you're saying is that someone should respond to your slander with a written statement. Well aren't you a pompous git? A touch of hubris? Why exactly should someone respond to your claims - there isn't a shred of evidence to back them up - they are just meaningless speculation.

    Also parliamentary services wouldn't be able to make that statement - they don't know. I run this site and I don't know. That is the design of the site - it is for pseudonymous posts. The mere fact you prefer to boost your name for media reasons doesn't mean that others have to follow the same level of vanity. Not everyone has quite the same level of bloated ego that you do.]

  67. George Darroch 67

    I should also add, this ridiculous business of trying to smear political figures on the basis of their supposed shady dealings and dishonesty didn’t work very well for Labour and The Standard (The Standard did post the “batman” allegations) during the election campaign, and helped contribute to National’s highest vote in decades. I was embarrassed about them then as I am now, and see no lessons have been learned.

    The great majority of the right are nice and upstanding people. They might have nasty policies and not reveal them for fear of “scaring the horses”, but you counter this by talking about the policies, not the people.

    I’ve said it many times, this nasty smearing devalues the content on here. It’s your blog, so you can write what you want on it. But because The Standard is seen by journalists and others as representative of the left (and that is one of your stated ambitions), this type of attack blogging hurts the left’s credibility and ability to get through to the people.

    And finally, by devaluing your credibility like this, the chances of The Standard actually being taken seriously when something does come up is lesser.

  68. David:

    This sheds no light on the allegations being made in this post. Care to elaborate on why PS meta data was found in your Word document?

  69. Daveski 69

    IT – check KB.

    Given how touchy the Standard has been about allegations of 9th floor involvement, this post reeks of desperation. I agree with George that it risks the credibility of the Standard.

    I’m not questioning the right to challenge DPF – this is always a possibility – but I do question the level of evidence to used to justify the post.

    When in doubt, I tend to check the views of people like Rex who are more impartial and more experienced than most here. Rex has IMO summed this up perfectly.

  70. ianmac 70

    David Farrar:
    Are you given lines of information by Parliamentary Services?
    Are you employed or financed in any way by them?
    Are you employed or financed in any way by the National Party?
    I ask because you seem to be shown on radio and TV as an independent commentator.

  71. Nomestradamus 71

    Illuminatedtiger:

    You described this thread above as “good research”.

    Didn’t it occur to you that “good research” might include checking over at Kiwiblog? There, in a thread amusingly titled Inspector Clouseau strikes again, DPF rebuts this non-story:

    As I landed back in Auckland from Great Barrier Island, my e-mails started to hit the Blackberry. And one of them was from a National Researcher saying they are looking forward to me turning up to work at 8 am Monday.

    I was initially bemused until I followed a link to discover an Inspector Clouseau has got excited at The Standard as the metadata in the election analysis I did has the document author as “Parliamentary Service’.

    So am I a secret staffer for the National Parliamentary Research Unit? Did I somehow forget to disclose on my disclosure statement that I had been hired?

    Alas no. As many commenters pointed out, the obvious answer is the correct one. I first did an election analysis for National in 1999 and every three years have saved a copy and used that as the template for the new analysis. This means the document still lists the original author and company. Some of my docs still show the author as Ministerial Services and that was a decade ago!

    Good research indeed!

  72. vto 72

    egg on face it seems.

    a recently common trait of many things left.

  73. Why is David Farrar asking for written statements from those at The Standard when there has been >= accusations about himself being an insider?

    As for the Word template from 1999, forgive me, but I don’t completely buy that. I’ve got Word documents here from 1999 (most saved to 3.4 inch floppy disks) that I’ve had major issues with getting to run on the latest copy of Word (2007). Even if it loads I wouldn’t do any substantial work on it, I would start afresh.

  74. Nomestradamus 74

    Illuminatedtiger:

    Why is David Farrar asking for written statements from those at The Standard when there has been >= accusations about himself being an insider?

    I’m not DPF’s spokesperson, but I’d say he has one of the most – if not the most – extensive disclosure page in New Zealand’s political blogosphere. Now what do you mean by “insider” exactly? And what accusations (and, more to the point, what evidence) do you have to suggest he is an “insider”?

    As to this latest “accusation” (you seem to regard All Your Base’s post as a heroic accusation), DPF has stated as clearly as one possibly can that he’s not on the PS payroll.

    Even if it loads I wouldn’t do any substantial work on it, I would start afresh.

    And that’s your basis for saying that DPF is telling porkies? That you would do something differently?

    All Your Base:

    Any chance of you retracting (or qualifying) this clanger:

    Of course you’ll notice that the document title looks historical but Word is pretty aggressive when it comes to updating its metadata automatically (particularly when it comes to local user data on the machine in use).

    It seems that a few commenters here (notably Graeme and Rex) strongly disagree. And I have to say, it hasn’t been my experience either.

  75. sweeetdisorder 75

    Illuminatedtiger

    “As for the Word template from 1999, forgive me, but I don’t completely buy that. I’ve got Word documents here from 1999 (most saved to 3.4 inch floppy disks) that I’ve had major issues with getting to run on the latest copy of Word (2007). ”

    After much investigation into your problem, it seems you are the only person on planet earth running a 3.4″ floppy disk. I can understand why you are having so many issues trying to get it to work. Suggest you upgrade to a 3.5″ floppy disk, you might find that a bit more compatible with most systems.

  76. burt 76

    Daveski

    The rumors of Labour party involvement and the standard really started with this post also from all_your_base.

    Happy New Year

    Cyber-Santa came a little late to The Standard this year but we’re certainly not complaining – evidently we’ve got a New Year’s present instead.

    He and the techno-elves have moved us to a brand spanking new server cluster that should give us plenty of breathing room and make those pesky traffic congestion problems we were having a thing of the past.

    Seriously though, it wasn’t really Santa. Just like James Bond apparently we have our very own M and it’s him we have to thank instead.

    We’re still secretly hoping for the pimped out Austin Aston Martin but this should tide us over in the meantime. Thanks M!

    [lprent: Noone ever denied that some people on this blog are involved with the NZLP. I'm a member for instance (and that was made clear early on). What we denied was that we were setup by the NZLP (I set it up), that we received money or services from the NZLP (I'm the only person that has paid anything), or that we were paid by parliamentary services. We were on servers for 3 weeks that had been a donation to the NZLP (ie that the NZLP didn't pay for), and that the NZLP had given control to a left-wing activist who I'd hit up for some server space.

    Whale lied about all of those things and others. Face it the guy lies chronically, it is a lot harder to find him telling the truth. DPF then chose to dog-whistle on the whales lies despite their source in what is now a familiar pattern. Frankly I personally find it difficult to distinguish between them - they do the same thing at two levels, and it looks to me like they do it for the nats.]

  77. Chris Auld 77


    As for the Word template from 1999, forgive me, but I don’t completely buy that. I’ve got Word documents here from 1999 (most saved to 3.4 inch floppy disks) that I’ve had major issues with getting to run on the latest copy of Word (2007). Even if it loads I wouldn’t do any substantial work on it, I would start afresh

    I’m someone intimately acquainted with both the Office legacy file format, as well as the new ECMA 376 OOXML file format, the final ISO 29500 file format as and the various versions of Microsoft office from 6.0 (1994 ish) through to Office 2007.

    I can say with some authority that the document migration between version 6.0 and version 2007 is pretty good.

    I would also note that it’s likely that PS would have been using Office 97 when DPF worked there in 1999. The office binary file format has remained consistent between version 1997 and version 2007. 2007 does support the ECMA 376 OOXML file format but it does not appear that DPF is using this- rather he is using the legacy Office 97-Occife 2007 binary file format.

    It seems pretty obvious to me that the file down loadable from DPF’s blog is the same Office 97-07 binary file format that would have originally been used to save the file back in 1999.

    If you would like some help getting your 1999 era word documents working in 2007 then please do feel free to drop me an email (I’m sure you can contact the mods to get my email address). If you want a more detailed forensic analysis of the file format then I’m happy to sort that out as well.

    I don’t do Photoshop or other file formats, just Microsoft stuff.

  78. Kimble 78

    hahahaha. you guys are so pathetic!

    The Standard gets self-pwned again!

    Time to wind things up lads, there are only so many times you can jump the shark.

  79. Rex Widerstrom 79

    lprent

    Dean, Rex: We work with existing standards of political blogs, but with our own twist.

    I?m afraid that while dog whistle tactics are the norm, then I have no problem with following them.

    Well call me naive then, but I thought you (the collective “you”, not just Lynn) were better than that. I don’t want to sound holier than thou – though I’m afraid I’m going to – but being half-assed “outed” as nothing more scandalous than a contributor to a blog isn’t even close to the filth I’ve had thrown at me, including in Parliament, under cover of privilege, by Ron Mark.

    I could have chosen to have dived into the excrement and rolled around with him, but I didn’t. Partly because (I hope) I’m better than that, but also because, tactically, it would have been a stupid mistake.

    When politics becomes personal, people lose their objectivity. Now I know you’re just itching to tell me this isn’t an objective blog… I understand that. I’m not talking political objectivity, however. I’m talking about being able to stand back and make a rational assessment of your own behaviour.

    But thanks for clarifying the Standard’s standards, which seem to amount to “Where Whaleoil goes, we go”.

  80. 4884 80

    I see you Standard wanks… [deleted]

    [lprent: If you want to be an idiot, do it elsewhere. Setting it so you get moderated]

  81. Kimble 81

    4884 has never commented at kiwiblog

    pwned again

    PS, I see you changed your response so it doesnt tell 4884 to go back to Kiwiblog

    are you going to apologise for saying it in the first place?

    [lprent: I didn't say that. It isn't one of my standard phrases (could have been another moderator - we do overlap from time to time). Besides this idiot was worse than the KB sewer level, more like Whale or Heine. ]

  82. lprent 82

    Rex: “Well call me naive then, but I thought you (the collective “you’, not just Lynn) were better than that

    The others may be (they do their own thing), but I certainly am not. I’m of the general opinion that if you don’t stop bad behavior then it will increase. That is of course the underlying basis of the entire judicial system.

    In the case of the blogs and their use in politics, it is quite clear that turning the other check just encourages people to attack you more. If you want an example, just look at the standard of the comments section back in November prior to moderation (or the KB comments sewer at almost anytime)

    However there are two points to remember. It is unlikely to be in the same style.

    After all Cam isn’t exactly that good at it – the ‘sod (whoever he is) is probably better. Certainly more humorous.

    It is unlikely to be as stupid. A lot of the wingnuts I see that come here like 4884 seem to have a real inability to use their brains.

  83. Kimble 83

    A lot of the posters I see here like AYB seem to have a real inability to use their brains.

    Seriously, the OP was a joke. No one but the most partisan DPF-hater would buy it for a second.

    Then again, that WAS the intended audience, wasnt it?

  84. Kimble 84

    You need to redo the title:

    “Farrar back on the PS payroll? No. No he isn’t, sorry.”

  85. Kimble 85

    You keep going on about the sewer in the comments section at Kiwiblog, and how moderation has improved the standard at The Standard.

    But The Standards big problem has always been the sewerage in its posts, not the comments.

  86. lprent 86

    Daveski :

    I agree with George that it risks the credibility of the Standard.

    I’m not questioning the right to challenge DPF – this is always a possibility – but I do question the level of evidence to used to justify the post.

    I think that the point of the post was to draw a comparison to the standard of evidence that DPF uses when writing smears.

    For instance about this site DPF has written – this, this, this, and probably others that I didn’t google.

    I don’t think that there is probably a fact in those posts that could be proved apart from the IP in the first link. Which had a simple explanation as I’ve explained many times.

    For instance DPF says in the last link:

    UPDATE: Rob Salmond has posted a comment admitting he worked last year for the PMs Office and is behind 08wire and that he does not produce all the material himself but receives it from others. He of course refutes some of my assertions – specifically any involvement setting up The Standard, and I have responded to his comments. What is not denied is that material for all three anonymous sites is produced by parliamentary staffers.

    Now notice this. What he said was that someone who denies being involved in the standard couldn’t say that that a site with posts from psuedonymous authors, who the authors were. Basically that is lying without quite saying it (unlike Whale who just flat out lies).

    The second link has

    What is interesting is that on five occasions the Prime Minister’s chief press secretary has been asked by media to deny that Beehive staff blog at The Standard, and on every occasion they have chosen not to comment rather than deny it. I guess there is a reason they passed up the opportunity to say “Farrar fucked up and has it all wrong, none of our staff are involved’.

    This is a classic dogwhistle. This is a site that guards the identity of its posters. So DPF is saying that the CPS was unable to confirm or deny because he didn’t know and was unable to find out. I don’t know and I run the site – all I can say is that posts weren’t written using parliamentary IP’s

    Do you see a pattern here? In my opinion, the only difference between DPF and Cam is that DPF lies by implication and with more subtlety than Cam does. Apart from that it is hard to distinguish between them. Sure there is going to be speculation about the identity of posters on this site – but both Cam and DPF just make crap up and idiots swallow it whole. Of course that is just my opinion…

    Perhaps you should look at the level of evidence used to justify DPF’s attacks on me that is implicit in all of those posts? Then look at his credibility and veracity?

  87. burt 87

    Chris Auld

    DPF said he had re-used the same document as a template after each election. There is no retrieving from a floppy disk under an old version of word issues about this. 1999 – email was well in use so was burning CD’s?

    Sure you can ignore what DPF said about how the document still exists and make a great story about the issues associated with retrieving a file in 2008 that was stored on a floppy since 1999 but that’s all you have done – told a story.

  88. lprent 88

    Burt: DPF’s explanation is probably correct – see my comment earlier. However since DPF has never appeared to accept my explanations in the past (or almost anyone else associated with blog sites from the left), I see no reason to accept his.

    After all the only purpose of blogs is to do ‘mischief’. It is going to be interesting.

  89. burt 89

    lprent

    If the purpose is to do ‘mischief’….

    If I recall correctly you once admitted that the standard was running “for a short period” on a Labour party funded server, is that correct?

    edit: I see you mention it above as well.

  90. lprent 90

    burt: No

    We were running for 3 weeks on servers owned by an ISP and operated by that ISP. That service was donated for use by the Labour party. The labour party passed to an activist to run multiple left sites. We were one of them because we’d run out of capacity on my systems.

    So you are wholly incorrect. We never ran on a “Labour party funded server”. That was just the smear that DPF and Whale put on it. Essentially a lie, which has been repeated frequently.

    This was explained at the time, but wingnuts appear to prefer to believe lies rather than explanations.

  91. Daveski 91

    LP – acknowledging your point.

    While I still believe in this case it was a long bow to draw, I will accept that there is mischief in blogland as you put it.

    Perhaps my point should have been that the Standard does have an opportunity to redefine the blogging landscape while retaining its healthy partisan perspective.

  92. lprent 92

    Daveski: I was referring to the statement on the KB banner
    DPF’s Kiwiblog – Fomenting Happy Mischief since 2003

    Sure we could try to set a new standard. The question is more why should we? As far as I can see, that would simply open us up to more malicious mischief of the type that we’ve seen this year from DPF (and Cam).

    I think that a deterrence strategy is far more responsible despite its known problems. The only thing that I’d look for is that that mischief from this site has at least the same level of ‘evidence‘ as has been used to support posts at KB in the past. So there will be a place for dog-whistle posts on this site. David could probably be called responsible for this strategy, after all he pioneered the meme in NZ blogging.

    It is of course a standard method used by people like Crosby Textor, and will probably be used again over the next 3 years. For instance look at the history of the dog whistle used in the Tampa Bay incident in the election in aussie some years ago.

  93. burt 93

    lprent

    Are you saying that this post by all_your_base is a classic Crosby Textor style dog-whistle?

    Given you comments in the past and even in this thread about how much you disapprove of the Crosby Textor style I’m surprised you are defending all_your_base.

  94. Liar 94

    [deleted]

    [lprent: probably dad again who is banned. I must finish that banning plugin]

  95. justthefacts 95

    So let me get this right, those who you accuse of being at “sewer level” are guilty of nothing more than being anti Labour?

    This could be a really good site if you just let people make valid points about the shoddy (and some might say corrupt) Labour party, the problem you have is that you ban anybody who dares speak out against Labour and against socialism.

    No wonder people are on the opinion that the left want to control free speech.

  96. lprent 96

    burt: So you want to avoid the topic of the
    …the standard was running “for a short period’ on a Labour party funded server

    Does it raise too many questions about the type of campaign that NACT have been running for the past few years?

  97. RedLogix 97

    Attention rightie dolts.

    YOUR beloved Party is now in power.

    It is OUR turn to make up shit…. and your turn to eat it.

    Anybody tell the truth on this blog?

    All lefties are liars.

  98. lprent 98

    jtf:

    you ban anybody who dares speak out against Labour and against socialism

    Making comments that have a point and an argument is fine – there are a lot of anti-labour people who do exactly that on this site every day.

    Repeating hackneyed lines repeatably (that are usually incorrect) isn’t – that is known as trolling and isn’t tolerated here. Since that is the bulk of what  I usually see when I go into KB’s  comments section, I describe it as the sewer. It is a site that appears to me to cater to close to the lowest common denominator in its comment section, and is usually pointless to read.

    DPF, in my opinion, facilitates it by writing dog-whistle posts designed to elicite exactly that response.

    In short, you have to engage your brain here, while I view it as being discouraged at KB.

  99. sweeetdisorder 99

    Oh, and another thing AYB, who the feck are you; just some anon blogger.

    Farrar is known, has a face, a name and is sought after for his opinion on radio, tv and print. And you are again, mister anon.

    You have some gall to call out Farrar when you stand behind your shield.

    It might pay to remember about those in glass houses…………

  100. lprent 100

    Ah sd, if all else fails and you have nothing worth saying, then there are always the ultimate shields of the wingnut. Righteous indignation, implied threats, and meaningless phrases.

    One of the main reasons to be pseudonymous here is to avoid being stalked by the media for quotes (as well as Cam’s crowd). From what I understand when the main posters decided that we had to have someone for the media to talk to, SP/Clinton lost. Not everyone has the ego problem that makes DPF want to do those things on the media.

    BTW: for some reason it was considered that I wasn’t politically cautious enough – ie too blunt

  101. burt 101

    lprent

    burt: So you want to avoid the topic of the
    ” the standard was running “for a short period’ on a Labour party funded server’

    No not at all. I’m happy to discuss it further but you are splitting hairs and I’ve been over it in detail and been banned before for pursuing answers.

    So I’ll ask another question and run the gauntlet again. Did Labour declare the donation and the gift to the activist? Is so then when? If not, why not?

    Without a clean paper trail showing the monies received/gifted being openly accounted for all we can really say is the server resources were being paid for via a donation made to Labour.

  102. burt 102

    all_your_base/lprent

    I also agree with George that this sort of post undermines the credibility of the standard.

    With all due respect, there is always going to be more negative than positive consequences for the standard every time the “on the PS payroll” angle is trotted out.

    Or have I misunderstood some grand trading places where DPF moves into the inner sanctum and denies it and you guys are now on the outside so you are going to take over DPF & Whaeloil’s position and sink to the level you describe as disgusting?

  103. lprent 103

    burt: I’d guess that it is/will be in Labours declaration, and probably the ISP’s accounts. Why are you asking me?

    It isn’t a server that I have any control over. Therefore there is no paper trail. There isn’t even a e-mail trail because it was organized verbally when I was moaning about the server loads.

    There is a link to an invoice for the server we’re currently on in the About. I put it up last month after ginger asked about the sites cost. Incidentally that was also the first time any person from the right had asked politely about this sites finances.

    Usually it has just been accusations from the wingnuts – which is what you got banned for. If you’d asked politely then I would have provided. It is not as if I have a duty  to disclose the finances of a privately held blog. For all of DPF’s ponticating in his comment above, he never bothered to simply ask – it would have probably interfered with his smear.

    BTW: It isn’t hair-splitting – there was no transaction, and we were on a shared server for 3 weeks. Approximate costs – peanuts

  104. sweeetdisorder 104

    Lprent

    “One of the main reasons to be pseudonymous here is to avoid being stalked by the media for quotes”

    Weak, but never the less a plausible answer. You might want to ask other bloggers and see how much stalking they get. May be time to review that policy.

    But you see that without real names to identities then you (not you personally) have created the question who are these guys and who they do work for. Until you (again, not you) name names, this question will always be present. Once you throw in alleged stories of 9th floor involvement then it becomes more and more difficult to show independence from any direct labour party associations.

  105. lprent 105

    sd: The point I’m making is all of those stories about 9th floor are alleged. There is and has been no proof.

    The opinions of the posters here are what they write, done in their free time, and not on their employers behalf.

    Of course there is always the edifying example of that obnoxious clown Cameron Slater with my previous employers to discourage anyone from considering doing the same. No doubt some similar stalking of employers would then ensue in exactly the way that arsehole did with me – see linklink and link

    Tell me, would you feel comfortable with that happening to you? Of course the fuckwit was as usual wrong at almost every level and lying to boot. Oh and DPF as usual was along for the ride.

  106. sweeetdisorder 106

    Lprent

    Well, that is the perception. Its up to the standard team if they want to change it, otherwise nothing else is going to change.

  107. lprent 107

    sd: Incidentally, that behavior by Cam with my previous employers are why I’d be extremely unhappy if anyone else here does want go public.

    There would be virtually no remedy against the type of stalking behavior that Cam followed without going through a very long (and expensive) defamation court case. It would be a hell of an effort to probably get nothing more than an enforced apology. Which is of caurse why the pathetic idiot does it.

    Hopefully that defamation case that he got caught in earlier this year will provide some case law.

    I would even prefer the comments on here to be psuedonymous as a matter of policy. Stuff put on the net is liable to be around for a very long time. Which of course is why most people commenting here (and everywhere else), and most posters prefer to remain psuedonymous.

    Besides in the end knowing who you are doesn’t really help much in evaluating the veracity of opinions.

  108. Robinsod 108

    I wouldn’t worry Lynn – the problem the right have is they think they own the internet. It was ticking along so nicely for so long with Farrar doing his wee thing and the various actoid losers abusing anyone posting from the left (or even the centre) into submission…

    Problem is they don’t own the internet and the Standard drives them crazy by reminding them of this. Every. Single. Day. That’s why they have to pretend to themselves that the Standard is professionally run – because that’s the only way they can rationalise the fact that their nasty little blog-world could be taken off them…

    They are essentially petty little bullies. I wouldn’t indulge them if I were you Lynn. In fact all of the ones I have identified – thanks to Cameron’s security breach – have been little nobodies…

    There are two or three that work as National party staffers and there may be an interesting story behind how their salaries and/or living costs were funded – I’m still looking into that – but for the most part they are impotent punters as is demonstrated by how upsetting they find the Standard.

    Oh and righties? I know a couple of the Standard guys and they ain’t on the payroll – they’re just smarter and better company than you bunch of festering sores and it shows in their posts…

  109. Tim Ellis 109

    Goodness me. What a slow news day it must have been. Storm in a teacup, and frankly I can see that people on both sides need to lighten up a bit. I understand that some of the Standard’s posters are sensitive about revealing their identities for whatever reason so it was a bit hypocritical for AYB to try and smear DPF in this way. From what I can gather DPF took the smear in good humour and AYB appears to have a bit of egg on his face. Trying to justify it based on “oh but he did it first” just looks lame.

    Right, are we past the petty infighting from both sides now? Have we all got it off our chests?

    Oh Robinsod, I suspect I’m a little old for you to be my father and my mother died many years ago, but that was an amusing response!

    For those of you on the right who think that differing opinions aren’t accepted here, I manage to comment quite freely here by not being too obnoxious. Remember who owns this site. It’s their home. They seem to welcome genuine debate but really you wouldn’t go into somebody else’s home and start abusing them and expect them still to serve you a cup of tea.

  110. For what it’s worth Bomber’s NZ Blogosphere rankings hasn’t been kind to either of them. While Farrar may still have the top spot Whaleoil has slipped a number of points.

  111. sweeetdisorder 111

    Lprent

    there are lots of left wing bloggers who use their real identities..Trotter, Jordon Carter, Tony Milne. Everyone knows who they are and what they are. They seem to live a normal life free of stalking. Same on the right side.

    It seems to be only the standard gets this kind of attention.

    “I would even prefer the comments on here to be psuedonymous as a matter of policy. Stuff put on the net is liable to be around for a very long time. Which of course is why most people commenting here (and everywhere else), and most posters prefer to remain psuedonymous.”

    Yet, loads of other bloggers seem to be okay at having their identities out there. Granted, there are cases where people feel they have to vent, but are in a position that if their identity was known it may have consequences. This sort sort of answer leads us back, with regards to a left wing blog, to the bloggers at the standard, and alleged conenctions to the labour party.

  112. lprent 112

    TE: The short answer is no.

    I realize that DPF would probably like to put this smear technique behind him. But personally it will take quite a while before I work the accumulated irritation about his appalling behavior out of my system.

    In the spirit of mutual deterrence, I rather like the idea of turning the dog whistle tactic back on him. In the long run, it is only by having the tactic equally accessible to all sides that it will start being regarded as being unusable. I have to thank a_y_b for highlighting it again.

    I doubt that it will ever be much of a site focus, if only because DPF has been around the nets almost as long as I have, but when the opportunity arises….

    Cam of course is another matter. I consider that his particular brand of bile is something that should not be tolerated. I’ve seen that kind of crap help destroy usenet.

  113. Robinsod 113

    sweeetd – that’s ‘cos it’s only the standard that lays down the hits on the National party and its bloggers and ‘cos it’s only the standard that has gone to second biggest blog in its first year and a half. who are you?

    But while we’re on the subject of identities – how about you tell me who you are? I mean it seems a bit rich to have you bleating on about everyone else when you’re also anonymous… So why not like – just tell us… After all there are plenty of other commenters who use their real names so why not you?

  114. lprent 114

    sd: The difference is that all of the people you’ve referenced have public profiles that they’re trying to enhance (as is DPF, Hooten, and maybe Clint Heine?).

    The bloggers here are not trying to do so. This is something that we do in our spare time and is meant to be separate from RL. I’d have to ask the motivations about why people want to know the identities. It has bugger all to do with evaluating the opinions, they become pretty clear very fast. As far as I can see there is only one possible motivation and that is to do a Cam style stalk. But I guess that is what the national smear research unit want, so that is why there is this insatiable obession on the topic.

    As I said, just look at Cam’s stalking of my previous employer.

  115. Robinsod 115

    I’ve gotta say Lynn – it’s got a bit dull around here lately. Even the trolls are being polite… At this rate I may have to go elsewhere to satiate my taste for ridiculing the right!

  116. Tim Ellis 116

    sd,

    I think there are probably genuine reasons why some people don’t like posting under their own names. It gives them a degree of freedom to express what they would really like to say without having to be called on it, for sure. You would think that people who have the courage to post under their real names moderate their behaviour accordingly. DPF is pretty moderate and so are Tony Milne and Russell Brown, to name a few. I haven’t seen Matthew Pilott here for a while, but he’s a very thoughtful guy with some strong arguments who adds a lot to debate.

    On the other had, exceptions to the rule appear to be Chris Trotter, who doesn’t seem to have a self-moderation setting in his brain, and Matthew Hooton. I liked the contrasting mix on that combined blog because they frequently came up with such preposterously extreme arguments. Perhaps I’m getting a bit conservative but Cam is a bit much for me, and not just his political opinions. It tends to be the little things that annoy me in his case. He did a post a while back with a photo of a triple-bunked room as a model for an ideal prison. When I saw that photo all I could think of was Auschwitz and I was just appalled.

    Among the anonymous bloggers, I don’t have any idea who Dancer is, but s/he comes up with thoughtful, moderate posts that stir debate, often with new insights on issues that aren’t often covered. Lew is a highly intelligent, structured, logical debater who is a real challenge to talk through issues with. Gomango, on the other side, is also very interesting to read.

    I enjoy the debate here. I think I’m coming to the view that anonymous or not, each commenter and poster has a certain identity, with various degrees of authenticity (some being more a projection rather than a reality), and what they contribute to debate has less to do with who they are or what their background is, but how seriously they engage others. It seems to me to be a bit of a cop-out to shout somebody down with “oh you would say that because you work in the Prime Minister’s office” or “yes that’s what we expected of a National Party stooge”. I don’t care what a person’s background is and from my observation it has little to do with the content of their argument. It’s just lazy to dismiss what people say by shouting CROSBY-TEXTOR! or COMMUNIST!

    I think we can all judge who is here for serious discussion, and who isn’t. Those who come by throwing around allegations about other people and try to disrupt really say more about the weakness of their own argument than they do about the other person.

  117. Well you’re always welcome back with us ‘sod :)

  118. sweeetdisorder 118

    Lprent

    I disagree with your conclusions as to why posters at the standard want to remain anon. But, I can see we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

    Robinsod

    Firstly I think AYB can respond for himself, don’t you?

    “But while we’re on the subject of identities – how about you tell me who you are?”

    Sure, my name is Steve, I am a Sagittarius and I like long walks on the beach. I don’t belong to any political parties but have an interest in politics. I like 80′s music and have traveled extensively. Anything else you would like to know I am sure you can dig through my rubbish to find out.

    “that’s ‘cos it’s only the standard that lays down the hits on the National party and its bloggers and ‘cos it’s only the standard that has gone to second biggest blog in its first year and a half.”

    In my opinion the standard was, to a part responsible for labours loss; the constant theme of attacking Key. so, from my pov, keep on doing what you are doing, it is doing the opposite from what you desire.

  119. lprent 119

    ‘sod: I suppose that it is a problem. However I prefer to read comment that is readable. Of course you could post at your own blog?

    TE: “I think I’m coming to the view that anonymous or not, each commenter and poster has a certain identity, with various degrees of authenticity (some being more a projection rather than a reality), and what they contribute to debate has less to do with who they are or what their background is, but how seriously they engage others

    Exactly. That is what has happened in every net comms channel I’ve ever been on from the fumbling attempts to get inter-university comms running in the early 1980′s (and the intra-university multi-player star trek games at 3am) to the current blogs.

    I’m pretty harsh at moderating on some types of commentators purely because I’ve seen the cumulative effects of their behavior destroying some forums. Others get a lot of leeway (like the ‘sod or sweeetd or burt have in the past). While they often appear cranky and act very close to trolls, periodically, they contribute with ideas of  value (like the ‘sods Guest post analysis of Wisharts book).

    Besides I prefer not to moderate, it is a lot of persistent work.

    Talking about persistent work, I’d better finish this caching plugin… (and the washing)

  120. Tim Ellis 120

    I realize that DPF would probably like to put this smear technique behind him. But personally it will take quite a while before I work the accumulated irritation about his appalling behavior out of my system.

    LP I realise this has hit a raw nerve for you and it is your blog so you can do whatever you like, but trying to use the blog to exercise your frustration just looks petty and it doesn’t do you justice. Mutual deterrence doesn’t work in blogging, because no matter what you do, there is always somebody out there crazier than you who will try to virtually mug you when you’re walking down the street and least expect it. Mutual deterrence might have been a good idea in the cold war when only two powers had a large nuclear arsenal where they could assure each others’ total annihilation. It made them careful. Blogging is much more democratic than that. It’s the equivalent of gifting nuclear warheads to everyone. When you do that you know that not everyone will behave appropriately. Some people will set the bugger off.

    Turn the other cheek. If you need catharsis, go to the driving range and whack the cover off a golf ball. Evidently you have got very annoyed with Cam so you have two options. You can either dip into the sewer with him, or act like an adult. If you do the former you won’t be dignifying yourself. If you do the latter then he’ll get bored with winding you up and ignore you.

    Moreover as much as this feud might be important to you (and granted it is your blog), I just don’t think it makes interesting reading for others. It just looks petty. You guys do a really good job filtering out the most obnoxious behaviour here by setting a good standard of debate. I can’t speak for others, but I don’t come here to read about what nasty things LP has to say about CS today in retaliation for what nasty things CS has said about LP the day before. I know you’re a reasonable person LP, and I listened to you on publicaddress radio a few weeks back and had a new level of respect for your contribution to the blogosphere. You’ve obviously done some fantastic work setting up this forum. Don’t undermine it by letting others get under your skin.

  121. How the hell was The Standard responsible for Labour’s loss? I think you’re making blogs out to be a bigger influence than they are. If blogs had any real influence on elections National would be down to 25% on the count of Farrar alone.

  122. Tim Ellis 122

    LP wrote:

    Others get a lot of leeway (like the ‘sod or sweeetd or burt have in the past).

    I agree. Sometimes they come off as a group of hecklers at a meeting. They generally aren’t very abusive (although sometimes are) and are often very amusing. I find them entertaining and a few times ‘sod has made a dig at me because I’ve been a bit pretentious or long-winded and he’s brought me down to earth and I’ve laughed out loud.

  123. lprent 123

    TE: It is not so much of a feud as an obligation. If the type of behavior is not made costly. then it will result eventually in real problems as it escalates. I’ve seen it before in other forums and it is part of the inherent nature of the net.

    This time it impacted on me and this site. Next time it could impact on someone who is less able to take care of themselves. It is better to stop it now with a controlled escalation. In this case it means turning the tactics on the perpetrators. The history of the net is replete with this type of conflict. Another area that this type of problem is being fought out is in places like the social networking sites, eg bebo. Previous examples are things like viruses, spam, denial of service attacks, RPC’s, usenet forums, etc

    BTW: Do you have a link to the publicaddress radio thing – I don’t think I’ve ever heard myself on radio? Russell Brown was a bit short so I filled a gap. Found it…

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    . That was interesting. Definitely not one of my major skillsets

  124. r0b 124

    Definitely not one of my major skillsets

    I thought you did just fine!

  125. Rex Widerstrom 125

    Funny you should mention what happened to other fora, Lynn.

    I saw nz.politics (to which I used to contribute) turn into an unusable flame pit, and thanked the dieties when blogs started appearing. No one who finds The Standard interesting and stimulating wants to see it meet that fate (and your moderating is the only thing standing between the blog and and a sewer outfall, I appreciate that, and commend you on the work you put in to keeping it usable).

    So maybe it’d be a good idea if a_y_b didn’t set off exactly the sort of thing you claim to condemn by writing inflammatory, poorly researched, ad hominem posts, then.

    What Whaleoil did in relation to yourself was totally unacceptable, IMHO. But as Tim Ellis says, choosing to go for a quick dip in the same sewer might make you feel better, but doesn’t do much for your overall standing. Having said that, I know how you feel – I’m probably lucky I’m several thousand miles away from Ron Mark and am not about to waste an air fare on him, or I’d have done something pretty undignified too (and probably ended up being shot by the DPS).

    Tim Ellis: Since we’re trying to douse the fire with sugar water, I should mention I find you to be someone whose arguments are always worth reading and considering, and in particular your comments above are very apt, I think.

  126. Tigger 126

    Farrar reminds me of one of those people who would love to be a politician but simply don’t have the skills – sort of like an uncle I had growing up who was always going on about how boobies and chicks but who was hopeless with the ladies.

  127. relic 127

    Spot on Tigger, reminds me of Trevor Louden on New Zeal sniffing his way through the underwear of the left, always outside looking in, destined never to know what it is really like at the centre of the action.

  128. Kimble 128

    So we are all in agreement then?

    The evidence AYB presented is worthless and his entire post is nothing more than easily discredited speculation. It makes him and everyone who agrees with him look like fools.

  129. Kimble 129

    “In my opinion the standard was, to a part responsible for labours loss; the constant theme of attacking Key…”

    Perhaps responsible isnt the right word. Certainly the attitude and character of The Standard is reminiscent of the attitude and character that caused people to turn away from Labour.

    The muck-raking was a big part of it, and that is almost all that The Standard is; it is just one big muck raking group blog. It wasnt a pro-Labour site, it was always simply anti-National.

    The Standard is just a gossipy little fart of a site that never provides any discussion of alternatives, it never takes a position that is the opposite of Labour policy (even on blatantly corrupt policy).

    Labour was out of ideas mid way through their second term. The Standard started out with no ideas and regressed from there.

    Its posters exhibit the sort of arrogant incompetence people associate with the last Labour government.

    Eventually you have to stump up with more than “its all Nationals fault”. Labour didnt realise that and were doomed because of it. The Standard will never realise it and that is why it will remain nothing but an echo chamber.

    [lprent: Curious, if you believe all of those things, why do you keep coming back, over and over again? Have a written flatulence problem perhaps? If you ask, I could assist in helping you to resist the temptation. It really is little effort (rather like the level of thought you put into your comments).]

  130. Phil 130

    …why do you keep coming back, over and over again?

    Why do people slow down when going past traffic accidents?

  131. lprent 131

    Looks like we’re getting under the skin of a certain puerile blogger. As per normal he can’t resist lying

    Lie: “The self rated best sysop in the world
    Never said it, never would. There are always going to be better sysops.

    Lie: “You would think with the lack of blogging a_y_b would have had time to update the site since he managed to keep his job, albeit in a different office now that has a view that isn’t quite so appealing.
    a_y_b is still in his origional office that he has been working in since I’ve known him. He is one of the few authors on here that I do know. Of course if you lie the first time, then a liar has to keep following the same stupid line.

    Ok I stand corrected – he does not lie all of the time.
    Partial truth: “I have been banned from responding because Lynn (that surely is a girls name) thinks I am technically illiterate and because I am a creep.
    Yes I do think that he is technically incompetent and a creep. The latter appears to be a common perception. However he has been banned because he wastes my time and I don’t think he adds anything to this site. The mere fact I detest him helps admittedly.

  132. Jum 132

    David Farrar
    December 7, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    You just had to use the word ‘key’ didn’t you. Did you get paid for that?

  133. Jum 133

    burt re your need to know
    December 7, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    re my need to know

    Tell me who donated money into National’s secret trusts. It was Key and NZBusiness Roundtable wasn’t it. He bought his Act-place in National.

  134. Jum 134

    Phil
    Re December 8, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    People go slow past traffic accidents out of respect and care for the injured, dead and dying.

    Anyone not doing that are the very people who caused them. Which group are you in?

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    Snoopman News | 19-08
  • When Stupid meets Hypocrisy, the result is David Farrar
    . . As the sh*t storm over Nickey Hager’s book,  Dirty Politics engulfs the National Party; Key’s teflon coating is being scoured away by the nova-like searing heat of public glare; Cameron Slater is shown to have been the weapon-of-choice...
    Frankly Speaking | 19-08
  • When Stupid meets Hypocrisy, the result is David Farrar
    . . As the sh*t storm over Nickey Hager’s book,  Dirty Politics engulfs the National Party; Key’s teflon coating is being scoured away by the nova-like searing heat of public glare; Cameron Slater is shown to have been the weapon-of-choice...
    Frankly Speaking | 19-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • Labour will facilitate regional Māori economic development agencies
    The next Labour Government will facilitate the creation of regional Māori economic development groups lead by iwi and hapū to work in partnership with business and public agencies as part of its Māori Development policy. “Labour is committed to working towards...
    Labour | 16-08
  • PRIME MINISTER’S DENIAL AT ODDS WITH NATIONAL PARTY STATEMENT
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has today released an email from the General Manager of the National Party that directly contradicts recent statements from the Prime Minister in relation to the 2011 breaches of Labour Party website databases. In his stand-up...
    Labour | 16-08
  • Labour committed to a healthier NZ for all
    A Labour Government will shift the focus of the health system from narrow targets and short term thinking to make public health and prevention a priority, Labour’s health spokesperson Annette King says. Releasing Labour’s full Health policy today she said...
    Labour | 15-08
  • Time Key took responsibility for Collins
    It is well past time for John Key to take some responsibility for the misuse of power and information by his Minister Judith Collins, and follow through on his last warning to her, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “The evidence released...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Dear John, time to answer a few questions… – Harawira
    “When Cameron Slater says about Kim Dotcom ‘I have lots on him…death by a thousand cuts…wait till you see what comes out in coming weeks on that fat c***t’, you have to ask whether this is the same Cameron Slater...
    Mana | 14-08
  • MANA CANDIDATE FOR IKAROA RAWHITI OPENS UP ABOUT SUICIDE
    “This week suicide has claimed yet more lives in whanau and communities in Ikaroa Rawhiti, and my heart goes out to those who are dealing with such a tragic loss”, says MANA candidate for Te Ikaroa Rawhiti, Te Hamua Nikora....
    Mana | 14-08
  • Offshore betting in Labour’s sights
    A Labour Government will clamp down on offshore gambling websites that deprive the local racing industry of funds, Labour’s Racing spokesperson Ross Robertson says. Releasing Labour’s racing policy today, he said betting on offshore websites is a major threat to...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Key has serious questions to answer on Dirty Politics
    John Key must answer the serious questions raised in Nicky Hager’s new book which reveal examples of dirty politics that New Zealanders will be deeply concerned about, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Many people will be disturbed by the evidence...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Creating an inclusive society for disabled people
    A Labour Government will provide free annual health checks for people with an intellectual disability, Labour’s Disability Issues spokesperson Ruth Dyson said today in announcing Labour’s Disability Issues policy. “We will also employ another 100 additional special education teachers and...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA name change
    This is to advise all media that on the 24th of July the ‘Mana’ party name was officially changed to ‘MANA Movement’ under the Electoral Act 1993.  The inclusion of the word ‘Movement’ in our name shouldn’t come as a surprise...
    Mana | 13-08
  • New Zealand must help in the growing Iraq crisis
    The humanitarian crisis in Iraq looks certain to get worse before it gets better,” said David Shearer Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson. “New Zealand should urgently pledge increased humanitarian assistance to United Nations agencies and NGOs present on the ground....
    Labour | 13-08
  • Allegations of migrant worker rort should be investigated
    Labour is calling for an investigation into the alleged exploitation of workers at Hutt Railway workshops, hired to repair asbestos-riddled DL locomotives. Hutt South Labour MP Trevor Mallard has written to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment asking that...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Medical and dentistry students get reprieve under Labour
    A Labour Government will restore the right of medical and dentistry students to get student loans after seven years of study because it is the right thing to do, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says. “Hard on the heels...
    Labour | 13-08
  • National must stop meddling with ACC before the election
    The redesign currently occurring at the Accident Claims Corporation (ACC) for sensitive claims needs to be put on hold immediately, said the Green Party today.The Green Party is concerned about work currently underway at ACC involving the sensitive claims service...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Markets slow but first home buyers still hurting
    First home buyers are hurting more than ever as the supply of affordable houses in the market dries up, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “The Reserve Bank will be happy LVR minimum deposits and rising interest rates have dampened...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Green Party celebrates MOU win on contaminated sites
    The Green Party is celebrating the announcement of a national register of contaminated sites today, and $2.5 million to start cleaning two sites up. The Green Party and the National Party agreed to include toxic site management work in their...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Emergency staff at breaking point
    The Southern DHB is so cash-strapped it is failing to fill nursing rosters, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson David Clark says.  “Every day emergency department nurses arrive at work knowing they are likely to be carrying more than their recommended workload. ...
    Labour | 12-08
  • ACC minister fails in mission to change culture
    The latest damning report by the Auditor General shows that the ACC Minister has failed to fulfil her mission to fix the sick culture at ACC and real change will not come till a new Government is elected, the Green...
    Greens | 12-08
  • Labour’s regional development fund to support Palmerston North
    Labour will consider a proposal to develop an inland port at Palmerston North, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The Palmerston North community has developed plans for an inland port which will bring jobs and economic growth to a region which...
    Labour | 12-08
  • Green Party announces priorities for Christchurch
    The Green Party has today announced its plan for a fairer, smarter and more democratic Canterbury rebuild, with a focus on smart transport solutions, restoring local democracy, and keeping Christchurch's assets.The plan sits across all of the Green Party's priorities...
    Greens | 11-08
  • Rock-star economy unplugged by China log jam
    The collapse of log prices due to oversupply in China threatens to wash the gloss off what remains of National's so-called rock-star economy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “Already this year the price of milk solids has plunged by more...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Young job seekers dealt a poor hand
    National's "keep 'em poor" card for young people on a benefit is a sorry substitute for job training, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Sue Moroney says.  The Government today announced it would extend its payment card scheme to all teen parents...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Labour – achieving change for Kiwi women
    Working towards being a world leader in eliminating violence against women and children will be a priority for a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Women’s Affairs policy today spokesperson Carol Beaumont said while Labour had a proud track record of achieving...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Accessible healthcare also affordable
      It is obvious from Tony Ryall’s hasty attack of Labour’s plans to extend free GP visits to older people that he hasn’t bothered to actually read the policy, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. "Mr Ryall’s response to Labour’s...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Full details of oil execs’ junket revealed
    Full details of a $237,000 taxpayer-funded oil executives' junket in 2011 have emerged.National paid the nearly quarter of a million dollars to wine and dine 11 oil executives in New Zealand during the World Cup.The trip included yachting, wine tasting,...
    Greens | 10-08
  • Nats sold 500 rugby fields of land a day offshore
    Under National over one million hectares of land has been approved for overseas sale – 16 times the size of Lake Taupō or the equivalent of five hundred rugby fields a day, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “According to...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Joyce’s dodgy sums fool no-one
    Steven Joyce's attempt to attack Labour's positive plan for affordable healthcare will fool no-one. "We knew that National would try to say that we can't afford free GP visits and prescriptions for the New Zealanders who need it. But, as...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Campaign Launch – Ready to Win
    Today I launched Labour's election campaign at the Viaduct Events Centre, Auckland. Here is the speech I gave....
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour extends free GP visits, free prescriptions
    Nearly 40 per cent of Kiwis – or 1.7 million people – will be eligible for free doctors’ visits and free prescriptions under a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Last year more than half a million New Zealanders...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour promises a fairer ACC for all Kiwis
    Accident compensation for loss of potential earnings will rise under a Labour Government, while people not earning at the time of their accident will also be eligible for compensation, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. Releasing Labour’s ACC policy today...
    Labour | 08-08
  • NZ Govt must push for fair play in Fiji elections
    The New Zealand Government needs to do more to push for human rights and media freedom in Fiji as it stages its first election since the 2006 coup, the Green Party said today.Amnesty International has released a report which documents...
    Greens | 07-08
  • Pacific unemployment still highest in the country
    The Minister of Pacific Island Affairs can boast all he wants about changes to employment statistics for Pacific people but the reality for many Pacific people is nowhere close to National’s promised brighter future, Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William...
    Labour | 07-08
  • Big funding injection for regions in Green Party transport plan
    The Green Party will increase transport spending in the regions by 50 percent over the next decade under its new transport plan, the Green Party said today."Transport is the life-blood of the regions. They have been starved under National," Green...
    Greens | 07-08
  • The Rise and Fall of John Key – who will be the next leader of National P...
    . . It was all set to go: Teamkey would be the cult of personality that would do Stalin, Mao, Reagan, Thatcher, or any of the Nth Korean Kim Dynasty, proud.  National and it’s “Teamkey” propaganda strategy   would cash-in Big Time...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Who said Kiwis couldn’t get a fire in their bellies over an arcane intern...
    An amazing team of activists has taken the campaign on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) to local governments throughout the country. Their latest triumph came last Monday when the Dunedin City Council endorsed a resolution expressing concern about the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National’s Dangerous Education Agenda Exposed
    Putting aside the dirty politics coming out of the Beehive and the right-wing blogisphere, there are some very strong signals that another term of a National Government would do even more serious damage to the public education system. The Education...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • We can have clean politics and get our democracy back.
    Something is rotten in our politics and it stinks. Dirty politics has sadly become one of the defining features of this election campaign. In the light of recent revelations about the extent of nasty and disingenuous political strategies, it would...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Book burning copies of Hager’s book? The next generation of National Part...
    It seems we are getting the next generation of National Party Dirty Politics now. There are claims the Young Nats in Hamilton are buying up copies of Dirty Politics and burning them. One witness was contacted by the Waikato Times...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National Party Poetry Day Haiku
    Key’s inbox and Cam’s poison most foul, there he blows hoist by own harpoon...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Why Cunliffe will be the next PM
    David Cunliffe will be the next Prime Minister of NZ. Labour’s inclusive and positive TV adverts… …are in stark contrast to National’s team of white people powering away from the rabble of the ‘others’… …the messaging is vital and crucial...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • From smiling assassin to grumpy butcher – on giving Judith Collins a last...
    After #dirtypolitics Key isn’t the smiling assassin, he is the grumpy butcher. When he said Judith had  a ‘last chance’ he meant 1 second after voting closes on 20th September. Key would love nothing more than to cut Collins loose and end...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • If the National Party rowing advert was real….
    If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water. If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes. If the national Party rowing advert was real,...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Cameron Slater: Zionist and political pundit
    It is hard to know where to start with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater (Whale Oil), especially after the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics. This confirmed everything many of us thought Slater to be: a snivelling pundit who serves...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Bryce Edwards stood down from Herald for election season??? Are the editors...
    I only found this out via twitter last night and I am still in shock. Bryce Edwards, easily the best critical thinker and news analyst the NZ Herald has has been stood down by the NZ Herald ‘for the election...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • So who’s a “conspiracy theorist” now?!
    . . As the media storm over Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“,  and allegations over smear campaigns continue to swirl,  National’s spin doctors have given Key, Collins, and other National Party ministers a string of  phrases to use in all...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Momentum shift
    When you are deeply immersed in a local campaign sometimes it can be difficult to see the helicopter view.   I don’t know how accurate the political polls are and have always known that things can change quickly in politics...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Dear Toby Manhire. Bad call on backing Farrar
    Oh dear. I say this as someone who regards Toby Manhire as one of the smartest journalists/commentators/columnists this country has, and I think Toby has made a terribly dumb call here. Let’s see if Toby is still singing Farrar’s praises...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Radio NZ apologise to me for getting it wrong
    Radio NZ have contacted me, reviewed the claim by their host that I had an advance copy of Nicky Hager’s book and they have concluded they got it wrong, they have called me and apologised and will make a statement...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Reclaim UoA – Students’ Message to Steven Joyce
    Tertiary Education – we’ve been sold a lemon  A group of 30 students attended an event on Tuesday evening about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which the Minister of Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Can someone in the media please ask the PM of NZ to categorically deny any ...
    Now we see the MO of Slater & Co, the setting up, the digging for dirt, the use of staff to dig that dirt, can the Prime Minister of NZ categorically deny any National Party staff worked with Cam Slater...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Panic setting in for National as they realise what’s about to happen
    And the terror starts to set in. I’ve never seen blind panic like this before  and it’s spreading as the enormity of what’s about to happen starts to sink in. Hager’s book is a mere entree, Nicky’s personal ethics wouldn’t...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics: what the book ultimately reveals is abuse of powe...
    Guide to the many faces of John Key Nicky’s book is now doing what I suspected it would do, create a shockwave of revulsion. Andrew Geddis over at Pundit Blog sums up this attitude best, and it’s reverberations build with every...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Fancy taking children seriously
    Let’s see why all political parties should pay close attention to the Green Party’s policy for children. First, it is a comprehensive attempt to put children, not ideology, at the heart of family policy. Wow, children at the heart of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Amnesty International: Dear Azerbaijan, Stop Torture, Love Kiwi Kids
    This is a world where many adults often underestimate Generation Y. Being only a few years out of being a teenager myself, I feel I can make this statement with certainty. However, I have been the Youth Intern at Amnesty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GCSB meetings today in Christchurch 1pm at Uni 7pm at Cathedral
    The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. 1pm at Canterbury University bottom floor James Height Building: Chair: Bomber Bradbury Ruth Dyson – Labour Party...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about
    Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Guide to when Key is lying
    Guide to when Key is lying...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The State of the Student Nation …or is just Al...
    Students politics are dead and our student media is in terminal decline. The most disappointing thing about university is the politics, or should I say lack of? I was raised with the idea that students held the power.They were the...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Love Lifts Us Up: Thoughts from the Green Party’s campaign launch.
    Author Eleanor Catton wants people to give their party vote to the Greens.Photo by Peter Meecham NO ONE WAS QUITE SURE how he did it. Somehow Bob Harvey had persuaded the owners of the rights to Joe Cocker’s Up Where...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
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    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • LIVE STREAM: You, Me and the GCSB ChCh Public Meetings
    LIVE STREAM EVENT here at 1pm & 7pm: The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. PLEASE NOTE: TDB recommends Chrome and Firefox...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today,
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • How @whaledump might destroy the popular vote for National
    Dirty Politics is now creating a meltdown and National are in danger of a total vote collapse. The real threat to for National was if Nicky had all the emails released via the anonymous hacker who took them. That danger is now a...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Open letter to Radio NZ – you need to make a retraction now
    I have just sent this off to Radio NZ right now Dear Radio NZ Firstly, what a great interview by Guyon Espiner this morning with the Prime Minister. Great to see such hard hitting journalism. Unfortunately I am not contacting...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Radio NZ are lying about me
    I am getting this all second hand at the moment as I don’t bother listening to Radio NZ (except for that wonderful Wallace Chapman in the weekends) but there is a claim that Suzie Ferguson just insinuated on Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Farrar’s fake claim of being invaded + Slater’s claims of death threats...
    The counter spin to avoid focus on the series allegations made in Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics continues. David Farrar’s ridiculous hysterics that he was invaded and his privacy has been blah blah blah has all been reduced from computer hacking to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • A shout out to the unsung heroes – our Public Service staff
    Government departments, particularly in the social welfare, education and health areas get a lot of shtick. And it’s not unjustified. We have problems in the way that our government departments treat those in need. And I do not intend to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Key’s ducking for cover – utterly unbelievable!!!
    .   . I don’t often re-print media stories verbatim – but this piece by Andrea Vance, for Fairfax Media,  deserves wider circulation. Please note the highlighted statements by Dear Leader as he ducks, weaves, obfuscates, and deflects any and...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Who is the source of Hager’s emails?
    Who is the source of Hager’s emails? Kim Dotcom has categorically denied he has anything to do with this and Nicky Hager has categorically denied that Kim was the source of the emails. Whatever you think about Kim (and he...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Dirty Politics – Audio+Text Why It Is Essential Raw Data Be Released Imme...
    MIL OSI – Source: RadioLive – Sunday Panel Analysis Headline: Dirty Politics – Audio Analysis by Selwyn Manning + Rodney Hide + Mark Sainsbury MIL Video: Selwyn Manning, Rodney Hide, and Mark Sainsbury discuss and debate the explosive details revealed...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • TV One and TV3 Political Polls – not such a landslide now
    Before the impact of Dirty Politics has been felt, the National Party high point in the Polls had been reached and their inevitable  drop begins. Despite the mainstream media telling NZers for almost 3 years that John Key would win...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – You will not believe Key’s defence of hackin...
    He actually used a sporting analogy. Can you believe it? John Key, asked on the fact that his staff had entered into a Labour Party computer and downloaded their database, Key replied, “It’s a bit like the Wallabies positing up their...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • A brief word on 100 Top political Tweeters
    The NZ Herald has put together a very useful list of top 100 political twtter accounts, what is most interesting from the lists is that the right wing all work hand in glove with each other where as the Left...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Are Whaleoil’s traffic stats a bloated illusion?
    Dim Post has done a critical analysis of just how real Cameron Slater’s traffic stats are. TDB has only been around for a year with a fragment of the digital footprint of the older blogs, yet we have managed to become...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Is Jordan Williams deceptive enough to blackma...
    There are so many issues raised by Nicky Hager’s book, that any one of them would be worthy of total focus on. Let’s chat about the claim in the book that Jordan Williams bragged to Slater and Lusk that he had...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Why ‘see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evi...
    This sign shows how National’s see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil denial isn’t working. National’s response to the book is that there is NOTHING in there that deserves anything more than the most briefest of eye motions. Key won’t...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • “Dirty Politics” and The Teflon Man
    . L-R- David Farrar, John Key, Cameron Slater . The release of Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Secrets” has unleashed more of a political firestorm than many had anticipated. (Or, perhaps some did.) The glare of publicity has been shone like...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Lyndelle Gibara – An Open Letter to Cameron Slater
    Dear Cameron,I am in Christchurch. I am not a ‘useless prick’. I have not asked to be ‘bailed out’ nor have my ‘scum friends’ in the eastern suburbs. I lost my cafe in September, the quakes wrecked my shop that...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Death threats or hit jobs?
    Shocked selfies while reading Dirty Politics are flooding Twitter - verily the vermin value their villainous vanity*    The beauty of Hager’s book is that there are so many horrific awful and insidious highlights, it’s difficult to know what to focus...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Labour release emails proving Key has lied
    Labour have released emails proving Key has lied about National Party involvement into the hacking of the Labour Party computer… The Labour Party has released documents it says proves its website was hacked by people working for the National Party....
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – the TV political panels are ridiculous
    The total lack of depth and shallow talent pool of TV political panel shows in NZ is providing hideous coverage and insight into one of the most important political stories of the year. Yesterday Firstline had Jacinda Ardern and Jamie...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – response to Canon NZ
    Poor old Canon NZ. They have been so damaged by appointing Cam’s mate as a judge and her awarding him their Best Blogger Award. I feel for them, I really do. They are amazing supporters of Journalism in NZ when...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – the legality of using stolen emails
    I wonder if Key is humming, “I’ve got one less problem withoutcha” as he deletes Cams number from his phone?   One of the attack spin lines being run by National Party apologists in the media is that Nicky Hager has...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • New shark finning laws fall short for threatened species
    Environmental groups are welcoming some aspects of a raft of law changes announced today in relation to shark finning, but say that overall the chance for New Zealand to catch up with international efforts in shark conservation is being missed....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Promoting Labour’s Positive Policies
    General Secretary of the New Zealand Labour Party, Tim Barnett, today launched Labour’s television advertisements for the 2014 election. The advertisements help tell Labour’s positive story for a better New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug Court: Rare Insight into New Alternative Justice Model
    Māori Television’s latest New Zealand documentary presents a fascinating look inside a new alternative justice model – through the stories of convicted criminals....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Political parties pledge to increase overseas aid
    A survey of political parties looking at how much New Zealand should spend on Official Development Assistance (ODA) shows the overwhelming majority of parties are committed to raising the bar according to the Council for International Development (CID)....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Top Kiwis backing Tip the Scales campaign
    Sir Graham Henry, former All Black Kees Meeuws, singer-song writer Jamie McDell and fishing guru Matt Watson have pledged their support to Tip the Scales, a pre-election campaign generating public support for rebuilding New Zealand’s depleted inshore...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Maritime Union continues to press over dirty politics
    Maritime Union National President Garry Parsloe says Ports of Auckland management is trying to get off the hook from its involvement with extreme right wing bloggers during the Ports of Auckland dispute....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • No end in sight to overwhelming human cost of conflict
    Two ceasefires have brought some respite to civilians in Gaza and southern Israel, amid hope that a durable cessation of hostilities might occur. In Gaza, these breaks in the fighting have barely given people enough time to seek medical care,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Young Kiwi speakers to represent NZ at Gallipoli 2015
    The RSA is delighted at the announcement made by Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Woodhouse today, that all eight regional finalists of the 2015 ANZ RSA Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition will be included in a group of 25 Youth Ambassadors...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • “Bromance” Marriage Stunt Insulting Says LegaliseLove
    A promotional competition asking two best mates to get married in order to win an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup is insulting, marriage equality campaign LegaliseLove Aotearoa claims....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Cannabis Party first to register for 2014 General Election
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party became the first party to register for the 2014 General Election today, when it meet with the Electoral Commission in Wellington at Midday....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • PGA: Addresses NZ’s ratification of Arms Trade Treaty
    President of Parliamentarians for Global Action and New Zealand MP Ross Robertson today addressed a celebration to mark New Zealand’s imminent ratification of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), which is expected within the next few weeks....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Roy Morgan Poll August 20
    National (48%) holds its lead over Labour/ Greens (39%) as ‘Dirty Politics’ revelations provide a new challenge for PM John Key’s leadership. NZ First surge to 6.5% - highest support since September 2013....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security (IGIS), Cheryl Gwyn, announced today that she would be instituting an inquiry concerning allegations that the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (NZSIS) might have released official information...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Glen Scanlon to Head Digital Media at Radio New Zealand
    Radio New Zealand has announced the appointment of Glen Scanlon to the recently created position of head of digital media....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Israel’s Gaza ceasefire violations go unreported
    It seems that it is only ceasefire violations that emanate from the Palestinian side that ever get publicised....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug courier sentenced for importing heroin
    South African drug courier, Laura Elizabeth Cilliers, was sentenced today in the Christchurch District Court to 7 years and 10 months in prison for importing approximately 1.2 kilograms of heroin....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Residential Property Speculators Days Numbered
    Rent heat cools as homes are replaced ... Liz McDonald ... The Press http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/your-property/10400851/Rent-heat-cools-as-homes-are-replaced Comment on thread (in moderation) … Christchurch is a “severely unaffordable” City as the Annual Demographia Survey ( www.demographia.com ) illustrates … thanks...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Academic’s study shows need for a Ministry of Public Input
    A book by Associate Professor Jennifer Lees-Marshment recommends the creation of a Ministry of Public Input to collect, process and communicate the publics’ ideas to government. The University of Auckland’s political marketing expert says the...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Government inaction killing innocent motorists
    Innocent people are dying due to long delays in installing centre lane barriers on high risk roads, says an outspoken road safety campaigner....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Property revaluations for council rates must be reformed
    Opportunity to bring controls on rating value changes and more equitable level of annual rates increase...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ron Mark Sets the Example
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the pledge by Mayor of Carterton and NZ First candidate Ron Mark who has announced he would relinquish his roles as Mayor and member of two District Health Boards if successfully elected to Parliament. Taxpayers’...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election
    MEDIA RELEASE: Angry rural communities want issue of 1080 aerial drops taken to the polls, says party co-leader Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Governor General Gives Direction to Conduct Election
    The Governor General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has given the green light for this year’s General Election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • New Zealand Animal Groups Unite to Help
    WELLINGTON (19 Aug 2014) – The Be Cruelty-Free campaign to ban animal testing of cosmetics in New Zealand just got bigger and stronger, as two leading animal protection groups come on board. Joining forces with Humane Society International which has...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Students Interrupt Steven Joyce at University Event
    A group of 30 students this evening interrupted an event about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which Tertiary Education Minister Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce began to speak, students interrupted with a speech of their own....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Caritas among first responders offering relief in Iraq
    As the plight of Iraqis fleeing persecution reaches tragic levels, Caritas Aotearoa New Zealand has pledged an initial $10,000 to support the work of Caritas in Iraq to provide humanitarian aid to thousands of families affected by the war and...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • iPredict 2014 Election Update #31: Nats take hit
    Election race narrows significantly · National party vote now below Labour/Greens · National’s probability of leading next government dips to 72% · Joyce expected to take over as National leader before end of 2015, as Collins’ prospects fall...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Call for applications – Fulbright scholar awards
    Fulbright New Zealand calls for applications to a range of scholar awards for New Zealand academics, artists and professionals to undertake academic and cultural exchanges to the United States of America. A Fulbright exchange provides life-changing opportunities...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • CWS launches appeal for Iraqis on World Humanitarian Day
    Christian World Service is appealing for help for tens of thousands of Iraqis caught up in one of the world’s horrifying conflicts....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Promoting the Voice of the Rangatahi
    Young Māori voters are seen by the Māori Party to have a vital part to play in saving the Māori seats in Parliament says the Māori Party’s youngest candidate, Reverend Te Hira Paenga. “What we’re hearing on the ground is...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Nelson Election Candidates’ Community Forum
    Nelson’s community and volunteer sector has some serious questions to put to the local candidates in the run up to next month’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Research NZ Budget Observer – Still On Track For Surplus
    New Zealand's Treasury today released their pre-election budget update, ahead of the 20 September vote. The government still expects to get back to surplus in 2014/15, albeit a slightly smaller surplus than expected in May. The growth forecasts were...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Nicky Hager’s first public comment on police investigation
    A complaint has been laid with police by Cameron Slater over the hacking of his computer and 'theft' of emails to supply to Nicky Hager for his explosive book Dirty Politics . We give Nicky Hager the first chance to...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Disabled Person’s Organisations report sent to UN
    A report written by Disabled Person’s Organisations (DPOs) representing the voice of disabled New Zealanders has been released and sent to the United Nations today....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Fuel and electricity price gouging hits regions hardest
    Mere Takoko - New Zealand First East Coast Candidate For Immediate Release - Tuesday, 19 August, 2014...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Government “opening of the books” shows wasted opportunity
    “The economic and fiscal forecasts in the pre-election update – the ‘opening of the government’s books’ – shows how the Government has failed to grasp the opportunity of the Global Financial Crisis to rebalance the economy,” says CTU...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Kiwis take up the challenge to end extreme poverty
    High profile New Zealanders have been invited to participate in Live Below the Line (LBTL). Part of a global initiative, LBTL challenges Kiwis to raise awareness of extreme poverty and to live on a daily food budget of $2.25 for...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • NZ Independent Coalition announces strong list
    NZ Independent Coalition Secretary Helen Anderson announced the party’s candidates for the 2014 election today - 10 candidates total, with four also standing in electorates....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • National Chooses to Campaign on High Tax, High Spend Policy
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming Bill English’s indication that the National Party will not offer voters any indication of tax cuts before next month's general election. Speaking to journalists and analysts in the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • SSC survey shows way forward for better public services
    The Public Service Association (PSA) has welcomed the release of the State Services Commission’s (SSC) Integrity and Conduct Survey 2013 , which it says indicates what needs to be done to strengthen the public services that New Zealanders use and...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Talent pipeline is the key to correcting gender balance
    Building a talent pipeline that fosters talented young women from early on in their careers is the key to gender balance at the most senior levels, according to EEO Trust Chief Executive Bev Cassidy-Mackenzie....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • A-Team of Election Data Analysis For Election 2014
    NZ's leading independent online news source Scoop.co.nz has teamed up with data heavyweights Roy Morgan Research and Spark Venture's brand-new big-data start up Qrious to deliver a under the covers perspective on the 2014 NZ General Election that has never...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update 2014
    Full PREFU: prefu14whole.pdf Full Executive Summary with charts: prefu14pt2of11.pdf Online: Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update 2014 — The Treasury - New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Survey of Integrity and Conduct in the State Services
    The State Services Commission (SSC) today published the report of the 2013 Integrity and Conduct Survey of the State Services. “The New Zealand State services is rated highly internationally for its standards of integrity and conduct and is considered...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Demand for Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ Underwhelms
    Family First NZ says that one year on from the marriage law being politically manipulated, the demand for same-sex marriages has been underwhelming with just 318 same-sex couples rushing to take advantage of the new definition to formalise their relationship...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Jacinda Ardern talks about life as an MP
    A class of Albany politics students gained some insight into life as a Member of Parliament this week, with a visit to campus from Labour List MP Jacinda Ardern....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Regional issues top agenda for election debate
    Wellington regional issues, from the flyover to extending the airport, will be in the spotlight at an election debate at Massey University’s Wellington campus tomorrow....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Walking and the Election
    The Green Party has topped the polls while National has failed to register according to NZ's pedestrian advocacy organisation Living Streets Aotearoa (LSA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Evidence of the dubious tactics of the alcohol industry
    Nicky Hager’s latest book “Dirty Politics” reports the alcohol industry works behind the scenes to actively try and smear the professional reputation of people who promote effective alcohol reforms in New Zealand, as well as other public health...
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • ACT’s plan to double cycle use without spending taxes
    "The National party yesterday announced a $100 million cycle-way that just happens to go through the marginal seat of Hutt South" said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
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