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		<title>By: Deepred</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/fck-you-the-nz-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-146220</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laughter is a weapon dictators can&#039;t fight, pure &amp; simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laughter is a weapon dictators can&#8217;t fight, pure &amp; simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Daff</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/fck-you-the-nz-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-146213</link>
		<dc:creator>Daff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the society of nz is everyone acting on a low level of thought and not even trying to agree with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the society of nz is everyone acting on a low level of thought and not even trying to agree with each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Glen Eden</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/fck-you-the-nz-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-146053</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Glen Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kingi I admit I am a shit speller but does that make the Video smart. Oh and Kingi what does your contribution say about you given you have no opinion? Oh thats right you are a good speller, neat go to the top of the class, because we all now thats what the world needs  is good spellers.
The  next time you comment you might want to have thought just a little, so as to have an opinion given you are on a blog Genius speller. Finally Kingi  why are gay  people scary to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kingi I admit I am a shit speller but does that make the Video smart. Oh and Kingi what does your contribution say about you given you have no opinion? Oh thats right you are a good speller, neat go to the top of the class, because we all now thats what the world needs  is good spellers.<br />
The  next time you comment you might want to have thought just a little, so as to have an opinion given you are on a blog Genius speller. Finally Kingi  why are gay  people scary to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Tigger</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/fck-you-the-nz-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-145968</link>
		<dc:creator>Tigger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TR - you might find it hard to believe but not everything is about you and what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TR &#8211; you might find it hard to believe but not everything is about you and what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: TightyRighty</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/fck-you-the-nz-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-145882</link>
		<dc:creator>TightyRighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felix - thank you for moving the boundaries of tolerance to suit your self, you self indulgent twat. i see your spin, but the fact remains that what i said is what i said and there is nothing your spin can do to make it seem otherwise. with the mental power of a bernina sewing machine, you really do point out the fact that most of the bigotry and discrimination lies on the left of the political spectrum. fucking peasant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felix &#8211; thank you for moving the boundaries of tolerance to suit your self, you self indulgent twat. i see your spin, but the fact remains that what i said is what i said and there is nothing your spin can do to make it seem otherwise. with the mental power of a bernina sewing machine, you really do point out the fact that most of the bigotry and discrimination lies on the left of the political spectrum. fucking peasant</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tighty,

If you don&#039;t like someone because of their sexuality, you&#039;re a bigot. It&#039;s a very simple test. 

It&#039;s possible to be a bigot who doesn&#039;t voice it openly (although you&#039;ve blown your cover pretty well in that regard) but it&#039;s bigotry nonetheless. 

As for your last statement (about not being a dick about it) you failed that test abysmally when you went on the internet and typed &quot;IT&quot;S NOT FAIR THOSE HOMOS ARE LAUGHING AT ME AND I CAN&quot;T LAUGH AT THEM&quot;.

And finally, as you still can&#039;t grasp what a dirty little corner you&#039;ve painted yourself into, you&#039;re still a moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tighty,</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like someone because of their sexuality, you&#8217;re a bigot. It&#8217;s a very simple test. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible to be a bigot who doesn&#8217;t voice it openly (although you&#8217;ve blown your cover pretty well in that regard) but it&#8217;s bigotry nonetheless. </p>
<p>As for your last statement (about not being a dick about it) you failed that test abysmally when you went on the internet and typed &#8220;IT&#8221;S NOT FAIR THOSE HOMOS ARE LAUGHING AT ME AND I CAN&#8221;T LAUGH AT THEM&#8221;.</p>
<p>And finally, as you still can&#8217;t grasp what a dirty little corner you&#8217;ve painted yourself into, you&#8217;re still a moron.</p>
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		<title>By: TightyRighty</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/fck-you-the-nz-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-145871</link>
		<dc:creator>TightyRighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it actually appears to me that this a song which says fuck you to anybody who doesn&#039;t like their sexuality, not just being a bigot about the whole thing. not liking something but adjusting an attitude to live with it and be happy, and being a dick about not liking something are, as explained elsewhere, sometimes two completely different things. hence you simple little person, why you are wrong. peasant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it actually appears to me that this a song which says fuck you to anybody who doesn&#8217;t like their sexuality, not just being a bigot about the whole thing. not liking something but adjusting an attitude to live with it and be happy, and being a dick about not liking something are, as explained elsewhere, sometimes two completely different things. hence you simple little person, why you are wrong. peasant.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tighty,

If you&#039;re offended by a song which says &quot;fuck you&quot; to bigots then you either have a low threshold for cuss words (which you clearly don&#039;t) or you&#039;re a bigot.

And if you needed this explained to you (which you did) you&#039;re a moron.

So yep, based on your own words, you&#039;re a bigot and a moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tighty,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re offended by a song which says &#8220;fuck you&#8221; to bigots then you either have a low threshold for cuss words (which you clearly don&#8217;t) or you&#8217;re a bigot.</p>
<p>And if you needed this explained to you (which you did) you&#8217;re a moron.</p>
<p>So yep, based on your own words, you&#8217;re a bigot and a moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>u just keep deletin ma comments its what yo sites bout then?i though it was one of the better papes, gues i was wrong.I came fro ZA now live in bunsbury and im gon stay her for all u can imagin so u can keep dremin u get rid of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u just keep deletin ma comments its what yo sites bout then?i though it was one of the better papes, gues i was wrong.I came fro ZA now live in bunsbury and im gon stay her for all u can imagin so u can keep dremin u get rid of us.</p>
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		<title>By: TightyRighty</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/fck-you-the-nz-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-145821</link>
		<dc:creator>TightyRighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justifying a weak argument with a weak justification now? if this is the lefts struggle, your doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justifying a weak argument with a weak justification now? if this is the lefts struggle, your doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one believes, as many claim to, that tolerance is an intrinsic good then it follows that tolerance of domestic violence is good.

I know it&#039;s a long bow, but it also illustrates one of the tensions within the Left: tolerance vs action  when should we simply accept others and when should we act to change them?

It&#039;s a thread through the left which I suspect was inherited from the old Christian left, and one hears the same tension within liberal churches, to what extent was Jesus preach tolerance and acceptance, and to what extent radical action?

Anyhow, I am way off topic here, but it&#039;s an interesting ideological debate (for another time :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one believes, as many claim to, that tolerance is an intrinsic good then it follows that tolerance of domestic violence is good.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s a long bow, but it also illustrates one of the tensions within the Left: tolerance vs action  when should we simply accept others and when should we act to change them?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a thread through the left which I suspect was inherited from the old Christian left, and one hears the same tension within liberal churches, to what extent was Jesus preach tolerance and acceptance, and to what extent radical action?</p>
<p>Anyhow, I am way off topic here, but it&#8217;s an interesting ideological debate (for another time <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: TightyRighty</title>
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		<dc:creator>TightyRighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anita - Tolerating Sexual and Domestic Violence is a completely different kettle of fish. to try and link tolerance of a persons sexual choice and domestic and sexual violence is drawing about the longest bow possible. in other words, weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anita &#8211; Tolerating Sexual and Domestic Violence is a completely different kettle of fish. to try and link tolerance of a persons sexual choice and domestic and sexual violence is drawing about the longest bow possible. in other words, weak.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/fck-you-the-nz-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-145816</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acting on bigotry is worse than being a bigot but not acting (i.e. &quot;tolerance&quot;), that is still far worse than not being a bigot.

I&#039;m honestly not sure I think that tolerance is a virtue, for far too long NZers have tolerated domestic abuse and sexual violence. IMHO people need to have a moral compass and act on it. If you believe domestic violence is wrong then act to stop it every time you see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acting on bigotry is worse than being a bigot but not acting (i.e. &#8220;tolerance&#8221;), that is still far worse than not being a bigot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m honestly not sure I think that tolerance is a virtue, for far too long NZers have tolerated domestic abuse and sexual violence. IMHO people need to have a moral compass and act on it. If you believe domestic violence is wrong then act to stop it every time you see it.</p>
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		<title>By: TightyRighty</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/fck-you-the-nz-collaboration/comment-page-1/#comment-145813</link>
		<dc:creator>TightyRighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to be honest i don&#039;t care either way. it&#039;s not for me, and thats fine as plenty of things aren&#039;t. tolerance of something that you personally don&#039;t like should be congratulated not sneered at by the thought police. telling people off for tolerance, thats a new low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to be honest i don&#8217;t care either way. it&#8217;s not for me, and thats fine as plenty of things aren&#8217;t. tolerance of something that you personally don&#8217;t like should be congratulated not sneered at by the thought police. telling people off for tolerance, thats a new low.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to get between you and felix, your cussing war is definitely adding value, but 

To say you are &quot;tolerant&quot; of something means that you dislike it but put up with it  it is actually the language of bigotry with a thin veneer of self congratulatory smugness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to get between you and felix, your cussing war is definitely adding value, but </p>
<p>To say you are &#8220;tolerant&#8221; of something means that you dislike it but put up with it  it is actually the language of bigotry with a thin veneer of self congratulatory smugness.</p>
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