Written By: - Date published: 3:15 pm, February 22nd, 2008 - 82 comments
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It looks like the nasty little insecure creeps who inhabit the Kiwiblog Right are creeping into the mainstream. I mean, take a look at this from today’s Herald:
This follows Cameron Slater’s description of a female columnist who pointed out how weird his obsession with Clark is as “a fat, lazy, pommy, leftist slag”, Clint Heine’s photoshopping of Clark’s face onto a transsexual porn shot (I’m not linking this little gobshite’s work), and now today Farrar is implicitly calling retiring speaker Margaret Wilson a witch.
And as anyone who frequents the blogs knows this behaviour is not just acceptable amongst the National Party’s blogosphere activists, it’s become their norm.
I agree entirely with Deborah’s post on this sort of filth from several weeks ago, but I’ll add this to it: boys (because that’s all you are, at best) your hatred of women in power shows only how weak and vile you are. Go back to your dirty little single bedrooms and leave politics to the adults. Sickening.
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And before any of you little pricks start I should warn you that my tolerance for your filth on this blog is now zero.
bill the 2nd link doesn’t work
They seem to have taken the link down. I’ll remove it.
This sort of stuff was always just directed at the right by the left leaning media. Now things have evened up a tad and you don’t like it eh..
IrishBill says: give me one example, Mike. Just one.
Is that why Mickey has been so tame lately?
It would be nice to see some zero-tolerance control of his filth.
Racism, sexism, homophobia, these are the calling cards of the Kiwiblog Right
You are obsessed with Robinsod aren’t you TDS? Is it because he kicks your Research Unit arse every time you show up here?
Funny shit coming from you guys. Also the censorship here now is amazing.
Funny shit coming from you guys. Also the censorship here now is amazing.
It’s funny- that’s the exact same line they’re running at Kiwiblog. Only no one can find anything that’s even remotely like the filth you see on the Kiwiblog Right. Even our resident attack troll TDS had to dig through the whole history of the site to find a handful of slightly rude comments (no posts though).
You guys have a problem. You need to take a good hard look at yourselves and deal with it.
[Tane: You're banned for a week Dave for engaging in precisely the kind of behaviour outlined in this post. It's a pity, because you do make good constructive points sometimes. But we're not going to let this site get bogged down by sexist filth.]
Do you expect cartoonists to be Helen’s lapdogs or toe the line imposed by Labour? That’s a bit harsh, but expected given your support of the censorious EFA.
Bloody good cartoon, by the way.
No Santi – I’d expect them to actually be funny.
Oh and while we’re pointing this sort of stuff out. I’m sure you would all like to know that is is KG ([name deleted]) of the crusader rabbit blog that is behind the consulship sale on trademe that Farrar and Whale are so excited about. I note he’s also constantly calling for a war on Islam as well as a whole lot of other bigoted and misogynistic stuff. I’m starting to think there’s only a half a dozen of these righties and their entire lives are spent promulgating their filth.
Racism, sexism, homophobia, these are the calling cards of the Kiwiblog Right
OK. And suggesting that people blow goats is the calling card of Teh Standard Left?
http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1103#comment-18128
And I must say that for such non-sexist place here, you seem to be lacking in a female presence in both authors and commentors. Why do you suppose that might be
(At least I don’t think any of the authors here are female)
And once again TDS trots out a link to one example of a commenter crossing the line. He also conveniently ignores the one underneath it, where I ask the commenter in question to tone it down.
This is blatant trolling TDS. I can’t figure out why you’re here – it’s certainly not to contribute or to debate in a reasonable manner. All you do these days is post off-topic links or repeat the same smears that have been discussed and disproven already. You’re on very thin ice.
Oh, and we have several female authors, but they don’t advertise the fact because they know how they’d be treated by the Kiwiblog Right.
Tane – I can see that you don’t like having your site’s hypocrisy pointed out.
But hey – its your site. Ban me if it makes you feel better.
[Tane: There is no hypocrisy, you've had your chance to run this line several times. You're just trying to smear and disrupt. You are not banned but your comments are now in moderation.]
So Im a “letter writer to herald” according to Whaley
That is so funny. I wouldnt write to the Herald if my life depended on it.
Its pain but KB is mostly it. But I seen to be a not banned but not able to post comments either.
Just to test the the old whales stalking instincts Im actually a civil engineer
Tane – Remember when you posted this:
“Just today I found several of my comments deleted for supposedly being “off topic’, even in cases when I was directly responding to questions or accusations from other commenters.’
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“Now David Farrar owns his blog and he’s free to do what he likes with it. But if it is just a home for National Party lines where dissent and contradiction aren’t welcome then he needs to make that clear.’
Anyway, speaking of filth, I have a car to clean.
Have a good Friday night all. I hear that alcohol can be relaxing.
Cap: Studd dancing – watch out for Robbo!
[Tane: Yes, and at the time Farrar was banning people for dissenting. We don't, in fact we encourage debate - it's what makes a blog interesting. We will not, however, tolerate persistent disruption and trolling. That's destructive and no fun for anyone. Enjoy your Friday night TDS.]
And you don’t troll Farrar’s site Tane?
Ooh no, the Standard authors are using big words like filth and sexism. Someone must have donated them a dictionary and not a very good one at that.
Since when is linking Clark with Castro sexist? Its not. It’s comparing the two insidious Socialist leaders, and very accurately it appears.
This is not to say that sexism (and racism/homophobia etc) does not exist but whenever they are used in a Standard.org.nz context it reeks more of closing down free speech than it does of protecting civil liberties. I mean, seriously, Standard, your childish rambles of so-called decorum are pathetic. Its so easy to use sexism as a way of shutting people up yes, even when it has absolutely no relevance to the said comment and the Standard should advertise for night classes to teach its little ideological groupies the same tricks. Oh, what fun that would be.
And I love the use of the term “Kiwiblog right” – it cracks me up. Its A, assuming that everyone who is right wing on Kiwiblog agrees with Farrar (which is plainly not true) and B, it places all the hatred, disgust and fear that the Left have for any opinion other than their own and slams it all together. So much easier than addressing the concerns of the opposition why not just close them down?
But you’re all so intelligent and well-informed. I’m sure all of you could sit around and discuss politics with other people without resorting to lame-arsed outbursts where there is more spittle than sense. Well, perhaps not quite yet. Maybe when you’ve all left university and entered the real world.
So is the Labour Party still funding the Standard? What’s that stink? Oh, it’s the Standards self-perpetuating sense of dignity. Yuck.
So you guys ban pretty much any dissent now, but you blithely allow Robinsod to post after post accuse IP of being a “pig-f*cker”. Where was your high horse then? Lighten up guys!
Hoolian. Kiwiblog Right refers to a particular brand of nasty rightwingers that frequent Farrar’s blog, attracted their by his regular dog-whistling.
These are the Dad4Justice’s, the Redbaiters, the Michele Cablings, etc, etc, who continually spout racist, sexist, homophobic and other disgusting remarks.
we’ve banned them here because they destroy the chance for intelligent debate, they inevitably insult and offend other commentators, who respond in kind, until a comment thread becomes nothing more than ‘fuck you’, ‘no, fuck you’.
Farrar encourages them and their behaviour because it results in long (albeit it empty) comment threads.
Inv2. There’s a fine line to be walked on moderation but like I say above, we don’t want our comment threads to be like Farrar’s.
‘sod has been warned on his behaviour. Unlike others, he has modified it, his language is more restrained. But its not the swearing that’s ever a problem with any commentator – its the digusting racism, sexism, and homophobia, amongst other nasty prejudices that are expressed by the Kiwiblog Right that we don’t want on the Standard.
Take Michele for example, she hardly ever swore but hardly a comment went by without her making a disgusting remark about gays or lesbians. That’s not on in decent conversation and we won’t have it on our blog. We warned her about it for weeks, we started removing the disgusting remarks and leaving the rest but eventually even that wasn’t enough.
As for the Pig Fucker thing: as you know, its the correct term for a type of political argument, he’s not actually accusing anyone of bestiality.
Hoolian, Iv2, TDS. What a team. All trying to deny a fact that’s pretty obvious to anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes reading political blogs.
Right leaning blogs are prone to sexism, homophobia, vile language, and threats of violence. The term “Kiwiblog right” is well coined.
Left leaning blogs can suffer from the same diseases, but in general not nearly to the same extent. Attack trolls have to scratch around to find a few examples in this blog’s history.
The game is up people. Even the media have noticed what is obvious to all: “…you get the feeling that if the blogosphere was an ecosystem, the far-Right bloggers would be bottom feeders.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4402999a13135.html
Whenever I see the Mr. Farrar and the rest of the Kiwiblog right indulging their powerful misogyny and objectification of women I always think of this bit of dialogue from the 1988 movie “Mississippi Burning”:
Where does it come from, all this hatred? You know, when I was a little boy there was an old Negro farmer lived
down the road from us, name of Monroe. And he was… Well, I guess he was just a little luckier than my daddy was.He bought himself a mule. That was a big deal around that town. My daddy hated that mule. His friends kidded him that they saw Monroe ploughin’ with his new mule and Monroe was gonna rent another field now that he had a mule.
One morning that mule just showed up dead. They poisoned the water. After that there was never any mention about that mule around my daddy… One time we were drivin’ past Monroe’s place and we saw it was empty. He’d just packed up and left, I guess. Gone up North or somethin’. I looked over at my daddy’s face and I knew he’d done it… …He looked at me and he said “If you ain’t better than a nigger,son, who are you better than?”
If the kind of stuff Cameron posted went mainstream National would lose swing voters.
I did not see it as sexist or filth. Put it in context – Fidel Castro is finally out of power that he had been desparately clinging to for too long. This opens an opportunity for change.
The cartoonist links HC as someone who has Castro’s traits – clinging to power, reputation for controlling rule, will not be ousted…
Where is the sexism?
I think you guys are missing the point with regard to the cartoon.
In Helen Clark we have had the first political science graduate to ever become PM in NZ. And it has shown up in her slick handling of her party, the media and by definition the opinions of the NZ public. Until the 2005 election she was peerless. The media called her teflon and she was.
Although I disagree with her on almost everything she has done in the 19 years I have lived in NZ I cannot offer anything but praise for the way she has managed.
This ended after 2005 and we have seen a slow decline in her powers. The fumbling and stumbling by herself and those around her has got steadily worse.
This cartoon to me was trying to compare the tiredness of two leaders, showing it is time to go.
The pathetic sight of her skulking around trying to avoid being in Camera shot with a man who saved her party and has donated an enormous sum so her husband can have a nice view from his office window IS A NEW LOW. Similar to the Waitangi skulking we now have somebody who seems to be descending into paranoia as her last term winds down.
The cartoonist links HC as someone who has Castro’s traits – clinging to power, reputation for controlling rule, will not be ousted
“Clinging to power” – what does that even mean Pacman? HC is Prime Minister in a government that is serving a three year term. At the end of the year there will be an election. How is that clinging to anything exactly? “Clinging to power” is just another mindless catch phrase.
Where is the sexism?
HC has been attacked in the most vile terms possible by the Kiwiblog Right, as ugly, a lesbian, masculine, childless, and all the rest. This cartoon directly dog-whistles all of that sexism. If you can’t see it Pacman, you’re part of the problem.
The sadness of all the right wing diatribe against Clark is that they do not know the lady. She is a charmer, an intellect with the common touch. I have seen her work a room of Tory-leaning middle of the road NZers and they have come away completely won over. She does not suffer fools however, which I guess some on the right may get defensive about.
The best thing Mike Williams and the election planners can do is get Clark to meet as many as possible over the next months. I am confident that once the Emperor’s new clothes show Key to be the hollow-man he is, then Clark is going win her fourth, well deserved term in office. When so much has been made of the courage tied up in our war medals just returned, historians will look on the Clark years as cautious but pragmatic, centrist rather than left-wing and overall courageous in fighting the neocon lobbyists and the boys’ club.
“their powerful misogyny and objectification of women..”
What a load of crap! If you’re a feminist say so, but spare me the pain of reading ridiculous lines like those above.
Are you Germaine Greer in drag maybe?
IrishBill says: If I was going to be a feminist in “drag” I reckon I’d be Andrea Dworkin.
The “fat, lazy, pommy, leftist slag’, will be publishing an apology toorrow to JB and SF in the same column she slagged them off in. I’m told that the settlement includes that they publish the apology online.
Bet you don’t link to it.
Oh and Robinsod, if you are going to go trying to name people and the lister of the auction perhaps you should learn to drive Trademe a little better so you don’t make a…..oh wait..too late.
You guys need to learn to Tardme. If you clicked on the user profile you’d know who it was that set up the Auction.
Growing a sense of humour might help to.
MikeE, Whaleoil and Santi – the holy trinity of people who would have hated a nigger for owning a mule.
[lprent: That comment is well over the edge. I won't delete it as it has been referenced elsewhere. You just hit the edge of my tolerance. Not bad considering it is the first time I have seen you - moderation.]
Santi and Whale, folks. The Kiwiblog Right in their own words.