Comments on: First days on the job disappoint http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/ The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0 - now in a new format The Standard v3.0 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:33:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: randal http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108838 randal Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:32:11 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108838 keys has always been in a position where to tell the truth means losing customers you cant teach an old dog new tricks keys has always been in a position where to tell the truth means losing customers
you cant teach an old dog new tricks

]]> By: Mr Magoo http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108479 Mr Magoo Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:03:23 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108479 <i>"Rob Fyfe is all PR. He does it well (pays enough for it!) but that's all it is.' Sums up you bitter lefties perfectly - attack the man not doing it - attack the man as he's only doing it to look good.</i> I think you both are as gulty as one another of a very common fallicy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy More specifically, "Ad hominem circumstantial" Statements stand in of themselves and the person who made them and their motivations are not grounds to conclude they are incorrect. (they are certainly grounds to scutinise them for truth!) I am sure Hitler, Stalin and Bush made the occasionally correct and agreeable statement! (yes, I am using an associative PR trick to associate Bush with certain people...very funny..) “Rob Fyfe is all PR. He does it well (pays enough for it!) but that’s all it is.’

Sums up you bitter lefties perfectly – attack the man not doing it – attack the man as he’s only doing it to look good.

I think you both are as gulty as one another of a very common fallicy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy
More specifically, “Ad hominem circumstantial”

Statements stand in of themselves and the person who made them and their motivations are not grounds to conclude they are incorrect. (they are certainly grounds to scutinise them for truth!)

I am sure Hitler, Stalin and Bush made the occasionally correct and agreeable statement!
(yes, I am using an associative PR trick to associate Bush with certain people…very funny..)

]]> By: mike http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108411 mike Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:58:55 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108411 "Rob Fyfe is all PR. He does it well (pays enough for it!) but that's all it is." Sums up you bitter lefties perfectly - attack the man not doing it - attack the man as he's only doing it to look good. Very sad to see Fyfe criticised on this topic but par for the course for you guys. Captcha: immoral debats - exactly “Rob Fyfe is all PR. He does it well (pays enough for it!) but that’s all it is.”

Sums up you bitter lefties perfectly – attack the man not doing it – attack the man as he’s only doing it to look good.

Very sad to see Fyfe criticised on this topic but par for the course for you guys.

Captcha: immoral debats – exactly

]]> By: Camryn http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108408 Camryn Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:22:40 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108408 Kerry - Yeah, Insider is a pig for suggesting that people use their travel insurance to arrange alternative flights through neighbouring countries since the situation is one of inconvenience rather than danger. So heartless! In any case, by your logic I should be able to claim that all lefties share your flaws, whatever they may be. I can guess at a few if you think your logic is valid! Kerry – Yeah, Insider is a pig for suggesting that people use their travel insurance to arrange alternative flights through neighbouring countries since the situation is one of inconvenience rather than danger. So heartless! In any case, by your logic I should be able to claim that all lefties share your flaws, whatever they may be. I can guess at a few if you think your logic is valid!

]]> By: Kerry http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108398 Kerry Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:24:19 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108398 I dont buy the argument that öffice's are skeleton staffed" i mean someone should have told those protesters in Thailand that they had to call off any sort of protest as its not convenient for New Zealand as they have a new government!!! Come on guys pull finger and show some leadership. Insider:- your comments go to prove all right wingers are pigs! Hope you get caught in a foreign country one day.....you would be banging down the Embassy door! HELP HELP I dont buy the argument that öffice’s are skeleton staffed” i mean someone should have told those protesters in Thailand that they had to call off any sort of protest as its not convenient for New Zealand as they have a new government!!!

Come on guys pull finger and show some leadership.

Insider:- your comments go to prove all right wingers are pigs! Hope you get caught in a foreign country one day…..you would be banging down the Embassy door! HELP HELP

]]> By: sweeetdisorder http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108388 sweeetdisorder Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:36:05 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108388 Well all, I am booked to fly out to Bangkok on the 26th December and looking forward to it. I think it should be all sorted out by then. If not, anyone who wants to get my daily on the spot blog is welcome. Well all, I am booked to fly out to Bangkok on the 26th December and looking forward to it. I think it should be all sorted out by then. If not, anyone who wants to get my daily on the spot blog is welcome.

]]> By: bobo http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108383 bobo Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:07:35 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108383 Scary thought part of me agrees with insider hehe... Surely travel insurance could organize a coach trip a few hundred miles to nearest working airport.. It looks so easy on those VISA card commercials :) Scary thought part of me agrees with insider hehe… Surely travel insurance could organize a coach trip a few hundred miles to nearest working airport.. It looks so easy on those VISA card commercials :)

]]> By: insider http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108379 insider Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:01:03 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108379 The Govt has no reason trying to 'rescue' stranded holidaymakers when they are in no direct danger. Let their insurers/travel agents sort it out. Jeez -nanny state or what? The Govt has no reason trying to ‘rescue’ stranded holidaymakers when they are in no direct danger. Let their insurers/travel agents sort it out. Jeez -nanny state or what?

]]> By: bobo http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108372 bobo Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:51:45 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108372 Just one other point is Thailand has been dodgy for months now with mass public demonstration sit ins and political unrest.. Maybe Kiwi's should think a little bit more about than just if the hotel has an on suite bathroom or free mini bar drinks when they book their cheap holidays. You see the tourists on TV say how dare these people protest and disrupt their travel plans as if they have some special badge of immunity... count themselves lucky the situation hasn't turned into all out riots yet.. Just one other point is Thailand has been dodgy for months now with mass public demonstration sit ins and political unrest.. Maybe Kiwi’s should think a little bit more about than just if the hotel has an on suite bathroom or free mini bar drinks when they book their cheap holidays. You see the tourists on TV say how dare these people protest and disrupt their travel plans as if they have some special badge of immunity… count themselves lucky the situation hasn’t turned into all out riots yet..

]]> By: bobo http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108368 bobo Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:31:47 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108368 Gingercrush , and I thought I was the cynic on here... Fyfe could have always handled it like Fontera I guess .. (can't one ever say something positive about a head of a company? maybe it is all PR maybe I'm thick and gullible, was just an observation that heads of companies are usually more stand off-ish.) The only so called maverick thing Key did was not to deal with Winston after the election,,, hardcore..... He certainly doesn't come over nowadays as the 5 minutes act kind of guy... John Key has never struck me as overly compassionate ..., he makes a point to state he never cried, hard man.. no idea what the big deal about that is.. And why the bitching that 2 jets were in service when they have a perfectly good Hercules which could have been dispatched days ago? I get the feeling the only reason its flying out tonight is because the media gave him a hard time this lunchtime.... Gingercrush , and I thought I was the cynic on here…
Fyfe could have always handled it like Fontera I guess .. (can’t one ever say something positive about a head of a company? maybe it is all PR maybe I’m thick and gullible, was just an observation that heads of companies are usually more stand off-ish.)

The only so called maverick thing Key did was not to deal with Winston after the election,,, hardcore….. He certainly doesn’t come over nowadays as the 5 minutes act kind of guy…

John Key has never struck me as overly compassionate …, he makes a point to state he never cried, hard man.. no idea what the big deal about that is..

And why the bitching that 2 jets were in service when they have a perfectly good Hercules which could have been dispatched days ago? I get the feeling the only reason its flying out tonight is because the media gave him a hard time this lunchtime….

]]> By: Daveski http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108365 Daveski Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:25:43 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108365 I'm tempted to do the Tui billboard thing but I know LP hates that more than a smelly right wing troll ... but seriously, did we ever expect SP to write anything positive about Key? Moreover, seeing that most of the offices are still being shifted around, Govt hasn't even kicked off, isn't it a little early to make these types of calls? At least we now know if journos say good things about Key they can be trusted now. As a final comment, how many of the governments that Key/NZ is being compared with for taking such decisive action have just been through an election? The US is a little different because it's still business as unusual until January but it's a valid issue - other countries haven't had the disruption of an election. I’m tempted to do the Tui billboard thing but I know LP hates that more than a smelly right wing troll … but seriously, did we ever expect SP to write anything positive about Key?

Moreover, seeing that most of the offices are still being shifted around, Govt hasn’t even kicked off, isn’t it a little early to make these types of calls?

At least we now know if journos say good things about Key they can be trusted now.

As a final comment, how many of the governments that Key/NZ is being compared with for taking such decisive action have just been through an election? The US is a little different because it’s still business as unusual until January but it’s a valid issue – other countries haven’t had the disruption of an election.

]]> By: Phil http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108344 Phil Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:10:21 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108344 <i> Key just looks like a typical corporate to me, not willing to make a fast decision </i> Interestingly, I've heard the complete opposite in private; The 'trader' in him wants to make the decision and enact the trade five minutes ago... Key just looks like a typical corporate to me, not willing to make a fast decision

Interestingly, I’ve heard the complete opposite in private; The ‘trader’ in him wants to make the decision and enact the trade five minutes ago…

]]> By: Hostie http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108334 Hostie Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:21:26 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108334 Rob Fyfe is all PR. He does it well (pays enough for it!) but that's all it is. Rob Fyfe is all PR. He does it well (pays enough for it!) but that’s all it is.

]]> By: gingercrush http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108333 gingercrush Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:17:24 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108333 bobo you are a nice person aren't you. Oh wait a minute an Air NZ plane just crashed killing seven people. What is Fyfe meant to do say, "Oh its only seven lives". And what are you asking John Key to be compassionate about? Since I do remember him being compassionate in terms of the Air NZ crash. bobo you are a nice person aren’t you. Oh wait a minute an Air NZ plane just crashed killing seven people. What is Fyfe meant to do say, “Oh its only seven lives”. And what are you asking John Key to be compassionate about? Since I do remember him being compassionate in terms of the Air NZ crash.

]]> By: bobo http://thestandard.org.nz/first-days-on-the-job-disappoint/#comment-108332 bobo Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:11:34 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=5898#comment-108332 Key just looks like a typical corporate to me, not willing to make a fast decision almost stuck in the pre-election " Wait we have some policy coming out next week" mode, maybe he should act a bit more like the head of AirNZ he seems to be showing some compassion which is rare for heads of big companies. Key just looks like a typical corporate to me, not willing to make a fast decision almost stuck in the pre-election ” Wait we have some policy coming out next week” mode, maybe he should act a bit more like the head of AirNZ he seems to be showing some compassion which is rare for heads of big companies.

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