Comments on: Foreshore and Seabed – where to from here?

By: Matthew Hooton

Matthew Hooton — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:01:33 +0000

Because the State would be confiscating everyone’s private property interest in the foreshore and seabed – a true socialist utopia. There would be no particular prejudice against Maori interests. Note, I’m not advocating this, but some in Labour may find it attractive and it would be involve more integrity than the F&S Act which confiscated any Maori customary title but not any other type of title.

By: felix

felix — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:31:21 +0000

If taking those specific words out of the context of the sentence in which they were spoken endows them with a specific and literal meaning which was not present in the original statement at all, then it’s ludicrous to pretend it is simply reporting what he said

For example, yesterday Radio Live’s (hourly? half hourly?) news bulletins had a news reader saying “Hone Harawira this morning called for Phil Goff to be shot!” followed by a tightly edited recording of Harawira saying “him and his mates should be put up against a wall and shot” to give the impression that what the news reader had said was in fact true.

But felix, this particular story is those words.

No, the story is the meaning of those words and that meaning was deliberately fabricated.

By: Adolf Fiinkensein

Adolf Fiinkensein — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:15:58 +0000

George D, what a strange comment in response to a measured and sensible analysis of the current debacle. The author placed the blame for the debacle fairly where it belongs – with the Clark regime, for it’s hasty and ill thought panicked legislation and then suggested a number of eminently sensible remedies.

I thought it was a remarkably refreshing piece.

By: dave

dave — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:11:08 +0000

I second that! I was thinking that myself.

By: dave

dave — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:09:48 +0000

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By: bustedblonde

bustedblonde — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:20:18 +0000

best thing you have ever written! You sure you aint turning blue????

By: rocky

rocky — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:22:25 +0000

Consequently Rocky, while the F&S element of your post is compelling, I find it mostly irrelevant in informing this story other than perhaps explaining Hone’s passion.

If you look at my post previous to this one, you will see I had planned a post of the Foreshore and Seabed Act before Hone’s latest comments about Phil Goff.

By: rocky

rocky — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:21:21 +0000

How would the Crown taking ownership of the entire foreshore and seabed make it any less prejudiced against Maori claims?

By: rocky

rocky — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:19:53 +0000

You make a good point, but I can’t see how you can relate National’s actions in 2004 to that point.

By: rocky

rocky — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:17:25 +0000

The redress of past wrongs is largely completed.

How so?

By: rocky

rocky — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:15:22 +0000

I can’t speak for the other posters, but I certainly disagreed with Foreshore and Seabed Act when it was passed.

As for Key bringing the public around, the National party is just as responsible as Labour for the political climate.

By: Zaphod Beeblebrox

Zaphod Beeblebrox — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:07:41 +0000

Nice point about the two classes of Maori that are now developing. One group are interested in using political power to advance their economic interests whilst the other are in a struggle for economic survival. When they talk about Maori economic success how do they seperate this from the entire NZ economy?

The challenge for the MP is to show they are interested in the latter as well as the former- unfortunately the support of the ACC changes, the climate change legislation and overriding obsession with the F and S (first thing that HH brings up whenever he is attacked) doesn’t really show this.

By: travellerev

travellerev — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:03:00 +0000

LOL

By: Pat

Pat — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:32:14 +0000

Willie and JT were teasing Hone that he had given them the “what goes on tour, stays on tour” speech. If that was true…

By: Herodotus

Herodotus — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:27:44 +0000

Remebmer what brought this statement out. Hone Lied to his leader having a sickie and that he went AWOL on official business. And how does he justify his wrong doing, by a playing the race card.
How come both a Nat & Lab MPs kept his secrete. Nice to see that they will keep quiet to protect a MP rorting the system. Double standards again. What other things are Mps keeping to themselves?