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From failure to farce

Written By: - Date published: 7:44 am, October 11th, 2013 - 95 comments
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“John Key’s asset sales have descended from failure to farce” – that’s how Metiria Turei described the announcement that Mighty River Power will be buying back shares just five months after they were privatised. Clayton Cosgrove put it more bluntly: “It’s a good thing the government doesn’t own a brewery cos they couldn’t organise a pi .. a DRINK in one”.

What a cock-up the whole process has been. The sales costs have blown out to $124m and are set to at least double. Less than half the ‘mum and dads’ they expected showed up. They got less money than they expected for Mighty River (and now, wise after the fact, the analysts all claim it was over-priced).

Now, these shares that were supposedly all about helping Kiwis get diversified savings are being bought back by the company in a transparent attempt by the MRP board to try to revive its ailing share price, which is about to come under even more pressure with the fire-sale of Meridian.

If they get out now, the average ‘mum and dad’ will have lost a grand. And I reckon plenty of them will get out while the getting is good.

I’m really looking for to the referendum. Key’s said he’ll put the ‘no’ vote against the number of people who voted National in 2011 (most of whom, incidentally, opposed asset sales). It’s going to be great when New Zealanders get ot give him an arse-kicking over these stupid asset sales.

95 comments on “From failure to farce”

  1. Tracey 1

    Given the poor turnout in local body elections you shouldnt get too excited about referendum turnout. The govt is doing a gd job dissuading people by telling them they are wasting their time.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 1.1

      They would say that-” Democracy is a waste of time”- which they keep proving in many ways

      Of course their crony capitalist mates want it that way as well.

  2. framu 2

    typo? – should it read “I’m really looking forward to the referendum”?

  3. Lanthanide 3

    “I’m really looking for to the referendum. Key’s said he’ll put the ‘no’ vote against the number of people who voted National in 2011 (most of whom, incidentally, opposed asset sales). It’s going to be great when New Zealanders get ot give him an arse-kicking over these stupid asset sales.”

    Does that mean if more people vote no than voted for National, they’ll cancel the further sales? If he actually committed to that, he could be in for a surprise…

  4. deWithiel 4

    With the MSM ramming home the message that the only important things in life are yachting races, the All Blacks and Lorde, it’s hardly surprising that the local body elections have been a total disaster. Not helped, of course, by a very real recognition that local bodies are political panaceas: voters do realise that if any local body is brave enough to make a decision that runs contrary to the current government’s received ‘wisdom’, it’s almost guaranteed to be overturned either by Steve, Nick and Gerry or all three of them. However, given the emotive quality of the matter, it is possible that the electorate could be motivated to actually vote on the referendum and you would hope that the opposition parties have developed a strategy to deal properly with the issue, one that takes account of voter apathy and the hostility of our ‘masters” voices.

    • Mike S 4.1

      “With the MSM ramming home the message that the only important things in life are yachting races, the All Blacks and Lorde”

      Yes but they would also have us believe that the only important thing in the entire universe is berms.

      (Come to think of it, isn’t ‘berm’ a sort of strange little word. Apparently it comes from a military barricade or mound of earth)

  5. King Kong 5

    I agree with Cosgrove, the less the Government owns the better. It doesn’t matter whether it is breweries or power stations.

    I thought he was meant to be against asset sales.

    As for token Turei, it is impossible to take anything she says seriously, but it may warrant some consideration as there is probably no one in Parliament with more experience of failure and farce.

    • vto 5.1

      Nick Smith has great failure and farce

      Hekia Parata has certainly failed so many times it is farcical

      John Key fails to tell the truth compulsively and is an absolute farce

      Rich people like John Key like to own such assets and the fact that he wants to do the reverse for the people of New Zealand is more failure and farce

    • felix 5.2

      lolz Kong, that’s the funny thing about National and right-wing parties around the world.

      In opposition they whinge about how the state isn’t capable of running anything properly and then when they get into govt, they prove it.

      • Draco T Bastard 5.2.1

        :lol: :twisted:

      • McFlock 5.2.2

        Hmmm.

        I had just thought that tories believed everyone to be grasping, insecure, small-minded, avaricious, amoral, sociopathic, bitter, shallow, exploitative, unregenerate, paranoid, intensely stupid, and evil little scrotes because they themselves were.

        I’d never made the logical extension to that being an explanation for their obsessive belief in government incompetence, too.

      • Self-fulfilling prophecies are the easiest type to fool the voters with. ;)

    • fender 5.3

      You should really do some independent thinking around government ownership and the role governments play in getting industry and services up and running. It’s a shame up repeat your tea party lines without any consideration for reality. There was an interesting piece on RNZ last night about how the I-phone for instance is a device that relies on technology that was created by the US government.

      If the NZ government hadn’t created these power generators we would still be using candles and cooking over open fires, now that might not bother an ape who eats raw meat but it’s quite important to humans.

      Please use your limited intelligence to write better comments KK, because at the moment I’m seeing Rodney Hide in every one of your foolish comments.

      • Draco T Bastard 5.3.1

        There was an interesting piece on RNZ last night about how the I-phone for instance is a device that relies on technology that was created by the US government.

        It’s all part of the re-write of history that the RWNJs are doing:

        The personal computer emerged during this time with Apple introducing the first one in 1976. Following this, the computer industry’s boom in Silicon Valley and the key role of DARPA in the massive growth of personal computing received significant attention, but has since been forgotten by those who claim Silicon Valley is an example of ‘free market’ capitalism. In a recent documentary, Something Ventured, Something Gained, for example, the role of the State is not mentioned once in the 85 minutes spent describing the development of Silicon Valley (Geller and Goldfine 2012).

        Mazzucato, Mariana (2013-05-15). The Entrepreneurial State: Debunking Public vs. Private Myths in Risk and Innovation (Kindle Locations 1764-1768). Anthem Press. Kindle Edition.

        Private innovation has done very little to progress technology. The real risky, blue sky development has been done by governments which the private sector has then used.

        • Naturesong 5.3.1.1

          Not always.

          WWW, linux and the open source movement are good examples where socialist collectives have done the heavy lifting.
          Though even there, with the high incidence of academics, governments have been picking up some of the bill.

          • Draco T Bastard 5.3.1.1.1

            You do understand that the internet (WWW) was a development of DARPA back in the 1960s don’t you?

            What the research is showing is that the government does the research that may not actually produce stuff and, once they have a working idea, it’s passed over to the private sector to continue with. Apple and other tech firms wouldn’t exist without the US government having done the basic research into semi-conductors and operating systems. This applies to a hell of a lot of research.

            Yes, the private sector does some basic research but it’s very little to what the governments have done.

            • Naturesong 5.3.1.1.1.1

              No.

              You’re confusing the internet (ARPAnet), which was developed by ARPA (later to become DARPA) with the World Wide Web, which was developed by Tim Berners Lee with others at CERN (http://info.cern.ch), and given free to the world.

              I agree with your second paragraph, but your third appears to be a criticism of something unrelated to anything I said.

              • McFlock

                either way, private enterprise is the R&D equivalent of the cuckoo, using other people’s work to raise the next generation of thieves.

                • Naturesong

                  Correct.

                  I’m of the view that goverment funding of research either directly, through institutions like university, or even providing infrastructure to enable open source projects to develop is a very good thing indeed.

                  At which point it can be made available to the public.

                  Take as a for instance, the Americas Cup.
                  I’d be very happy to see government funding into research for more efficient harnessing of wind. And making the results of that research available to folks who like to race boats.
                  But funding the actual team? Not so much.

                  That same research might also be useful to people wanting to make better wind powered generators, or wind assisted freight ships etc …

              • Draco T Bastard

                ou’re confusing the internet (ARPAnet), which was developed by ARPA (later to become DARPA) with the World Wide Web,

                No I’m not. Without the first you wouldn’t have got the second.

                • McFlock

                  Ug invented the wheel.
                  Without the wheel we would not have the motorcar.
                  Therefore, Ug invented the motor car.

                  Printers invented markup language
                  Without markup language we wouldn’t have the WWW
                  Therefore, printers invented the WWW

                  Nah. doesn’t follow.

                • Naturesong

                  Yes and no.

                  ARPAnet was not the only game in town. Work had been done on the NPL Data Communications Network, though funding was an issue.
                  It was solving the packet switching problem that changed the game.

                  The OSI framework was also taking shape before ARPAnet
                  And given that the web is not on layers 1 – 4 it is entirely feasible that the WWW could have come into existance on a network using different protocols.

                  But, ARPAnet solved the packet switching issue, universities were connected, ethernet was developed (Xerox iirc), and the rest is history.

                  • Draco T Bastard

                    %3Cblockquote%3EARPAnet%20was%20not%20the%20only%20game%20in%20town.%20Work%20had%20been%20done%20on%20the%20NPL%20Data%20Communications%20Network%2C%20though%20funding%20was%20an%20issue.%3C%2Fblockquote%3E%0AYep%2C%20the%20government%20provided%20funding%20-%20something%20that%20private%20enterprise%20failed%20to%20do.%20Which%20is%20what%20I’ve%20been%20saying%20all%20along.%20The%20government%20provides%20two%20major%20things%20that%20the%20private%20sector%20simply%20won’t%2C%20and%20probably%20can’t%2C%20do%3A%201.)%20Long%20term%20funding%20and%202.)%20stability.%0A%0A%3Cblockquote%3E%E2%80%A6ethernet%20was%20developed%20(Xerox%20iirc)%2C%20and%20the%20rest%20is%20history.%3C%2Fblockquote%3E%0AEthernet%20couldn’t%20have%20been%20developed%20without%20the%20US%20governments%20support%20of%20the%20semi-conductor%20industry%20(research%20and%20development)%20from%20the%20late%2050s.

                    [translated]

                    ARPAnet was not the only game in town. Work had been done on the NPL Data Communications Network, though funding was an issue.

                    Yep, the government provided funding – something that private enterprise failed to do. Which is what Ive been saying all along. The government provides two major things that the private sector simply wont, and probably cant, do: 1.) Long term funding and 2.) stability.

                    …ethernet was developed (Xerox iirc), and the rest is history.

                    Ethernet couldnt have been developed without the US governments support of the semi-conductor industry (research and development) from the late 50s

              • Murray Olsen

                CERN is publicly funded. In fact, it is funded at a supranational level.
                The development of commercial air travel was publicly funded, to a large extent through the US Post Office. It is extremely difficult to find any research that became applied and useful thanks to nothing but the efforts of a Randian superhero. Even the obscene economic theories which allow them to make these claims were generally developed in public institutions. The main things they come up with in the private sector are new justiifications to get public money shovelled into their offshore accounts.

    • Shane Gallagher 5.4

      Explain how the economies of China, Singapore and South Korea are doing so well when the state owns and directs so much of those economies. Go on. Have a go.

      One is Communist, one is an oligarchy and one is a democracy.

      Oh and if you have to call someone names then you have lost the argument already. :-)

      • Puckish Rogue 5.4.1

        If Labour announced that they were going to do everything the respective governments of China, Singapore and South Korea do then I would vote labour or are you just cherry picking the bits you like?

        • framu 5.4.1.1

          how is that in any way relevant to SGs comment?

          why cant you make even a single decent argument?

        • McFlock 5.4.1.2

          We should so everything that China, Singapore and South Korea do? Including the contradictory bits, sauch as a one-child policy and setting up dating advice and opportunities for civil servants in order to combat falling fertility. And that’s just the first one that springs to mind.

          Basically, you ever voting labour involves Labour having a brain-fry that results in massive failures in logic and common sense. This, I can agree with.

  6. Sosoo 6

    I enrolled to vote yesterday for the sole purpose of voting against the nats in this referendum.

    • Chris 6.1

      Sosoo, why stop at the referendum… best way to stop asset sales is to vote National out at the 2014 elections

    • Tiger Mountain 6.2

      They don’t like it up ’em! The Asset Sales referendum is a chance for timid torys to say what they really think about the issue without an election attached. As well as the rest of us to send ShonKey a message.

      Power generation and supply should be returned to public ownership, simple as. Eddie’s post touches on the absurdity of Nationals “the patient died but the operation was a great success” approach to the whole debacle.

      Buying shares back so soon?

  7. tricldrown 7

    Kluless klutz so if a govt was able to run on returns from investments meaning that we would pay less tax or no tax at all you no doubt would be in favour of that.
    No you being a primitive primate want society to gone back to the laws of the jungle where only the strongest survive.
    Research has shown that civilization has progressed by cooperation of the human species for the benefit of all.
    Selfishness is a regression to primative behaviour .
    You have chosen your name and it fits your lack of sophistication and nanderthal behaviour well!
    So well!

    • Mike S 7.1

      “Research has shown that civilization has progressed by cooperation of the human species for the benefit of all.”

      +1 and further, research has also shown that competition is a hindrance to progress and to successful outcomes.

      “Selfishness is a regression to primative behaviour”

      Sort of disagree on that one. Selfishness is a learned behaviour.

  8. bad12 8

    What i think has happened with Mighty River Power is that the big boys, the Goldman Saches et al, that Cartel of major banking institutions who are the hidden whip crackers behind this current Government have become impatient with what they expected would be a steady flow of shares from Ma and Pa into the coffers of the Banking Cartel,

    It appears that Ma and Pa, loath to take a financial hit on bailing out of Mighty River have not done the expected and sold off Mighty river en masse so the circling sharks can snap them up,

    Hence the rather insipid attempt to inject a little ‘electricity’ into the share price with the ‘faux buy back’, many commentators believing that the shares bought back will be cancelled thus increasing the dividend yield of the remaining shares,

    The slight bump in share price this false buy back, false in the sense that these shares WILL NOT be cancelled, is supposed to give Ma and Pa yet another chance to unload in a better to take the ‘better loss’ now in case the share price drops again,(inevitably),

    Either way, the Banking Cartels are happy, Mighty River is now sitting on 2% of ‘live’ shares which quietly at some point in the future,(when no-one is looking to closely), Mighty River will swap with the Banking Cartels the shares it holds for a pile of ‘cash’,(cash which because of the US ongoing quantitative easing the Banking Cartels are awash with),

    Whichever way Ma and Pa look at their Mighty River share parcels into the future, they must now realize that this National Government have sold them, with deliberation, a Lemon, the current sleight of hand surrounding Might River shares was always going to occur one way or another…

    • SpaceMonkey 8.1

      Agreed though Goldman Sachs, et al may have made a small sum off the share price slide after shorting the MRP shares as they were listed. Well known tactic… tried and tested on many other IPO clients, e.g. Facebook.

      • bad12 8.1.1

        Aha, and if you have the biggest bag of coin putting in the bigger orders for shares at the short end of the price is always going to make that happen,

        For the Banking Cartels it’s a clean up whichever way they are playing when you consider where all those US dollars they play in the pool with have come from…

  9. Puckish Rogue 9

    “John Key’s asset sales have descended from failure to farce”

    – Oh well if Metiria Turei says it then it must be true

    • fender 9.1

      Metiria Turei makes a great deal more sense than your beloved bumbling Judith, Pukey Boy. I heard Judith talking from Sidney this morning and have concluded that she must have been drunk. But I suspect you wouldn’t care about that, and probably prefer woman who are under the influence.

    • Paul 9.2

      Your usual useless contribution.

    • bad12 9.3

      Pucker up, hows that wee parcel of Mighty river shares looking, ah choices choices, unload them now and take the hit in the pocket,(thank Slippery and National for selling you a slice of a rotten Lemon while your counting the loss),

      OR, wait and see how KiwiPower, coming to you soon after November 2014, makes the pile of useless paper you hold look, snigger…

      • ghostwhowalksnz 9.3.1

        “Unload them now ” Thats so 90s

        Do what Key did with falling value of his secret Tranzrail shares- Short them

        That why you win the bet they will fall some more- and collect on the way down

        Whats next in the great power company shell game.

        MRP has been a debacle, now they power company is becoming a share investor – who knew ?

        Meridian- buy now pay later, is just the opening gambit, lets guess the underwriters are left with 20% of the shares no one wants at nay price

        Genesis ?. yet to come, maybe it will be just like Hallensteins, buy two get one free

        Or maybe , one power company could buy up MRP ?…… oops Ive said too much all ready

        • bad12 9.3.1.1

          Mighty River a debacle???, that depends upon who you believe the ‘end user’ of the shares in Mighty River was intended by Slippery and this National Government to be,

          That also depends whether you believe that Slippery the Prime Minister had any great belief or even cared what the sale of Mighty River accrued to the Government accounts,

          If you believe the above, and i would suggest only the gullible could, then yeah sure the sale of Mighty River was one big cluster-f**k,

          Of course if you believe that the sale of Mighty River to Ma and Pa was simply political smoke and mirrors, a pathway for the likes of Goldman Saches to gain a large interest in Mighty River without the negative political connotations then what looks like one really really big f**king mess as far as Ma and Pa are concerned will be looking from the Boardroom of Goldman Saches and the other members of the Banking Cartels to be the golden egg that the golden goose has just shat out into the nest…

        • Rogue Trooper 9.3.1.2

          one generator to spin them all

      • Puckish Rogue 9.3.2

        Why would I sell them? I was more than happy with the divedend result but I’m even happier that the company is buying back shares. Its what Warren Buffett does with his companies and I’d take more notice of what he says when it comes to shares then some yahoos on a leftie website

        So if they are bought back I’ll still have made more money then if I’d left it in the bank so its all good

        and yeah I’m buying more shares

        • bad12 9.3.2.1

          Lolz, pucker up, like i said the other day, don’t forget to bend over while your at it, it is going to be a great laugh reading your whining bleat after the incoming Labour/Green Government Legislate for KiwiPower,

          Go on buy up Might River shares big-time the thought of your self inflicted losses despite being warned is laughter that will be savored repeatedly in years to come…

        • ghostwhowalksnz 9.3.2.2

          Buying more /

          So your strategy is countercylical, buy when every one else is selling ( 70 million sold on the first day of trading alone) .

          Good luck with that

        • Saarbo 9.3.2.3

          PR, if you are buying more of these shares you have no idea how Warren Buffett works. Even if NZ Power didnt go ahead, electricity shares are a very average buy at the momengt, but given NZ Power, these shares are a loser…like you I suspect.

    • Tracey 9.4

      can you point to links which show Turei has lied about anything?

      Here’s a list from your guy

      http://thestandard.org.nz/an-honest-man/

      • Puckish Rogue 9.4.1

        Oh sorry my mistake, I didn’t mean to imply shes a liar* just that shes completely hopeless and out of her depth and should stick to smoking bongs (I’m assuming thats how she comes up with whatever comes out of her mouth, I’m not actually saying she does smoke bongs)

        She earned in excess of 500 grand (mp from 2002-2007 with appropriate pay rises and perks) yet couldn’t get it together to afford a deposit on house in Auckland so had to move to Dunedin to afford a house?

        Yet somehow thousands of other people on a lot less money then her manage to do exactly that and shes now a quotable expert of anything financial?

        Labour in power: not so bad (Cunliffes already got his outs sorted for his promises)

        Labour in power with the Greens anywhere near the books: very bad

        *All politicans lie of course

        • framu 9.4.1.1

          it%20would%20be%20wiser%20to%20stop%20making%20assumptions%20-%20met%20doesnt%20smoke%20weed%20you%20ignoramus.%20Shes%20a%20qualified%20corporate%20lawyer.%20And%20yes%20i%20do%20know%20that%20for%20100%25%20fact.%0A%0AAnd%20you%20dont%20know%20shit%20about%20why%20she%20moved%20to%20dunedin%0A%0Ait%20might%20suit%20your%20stupid%20little%20fantasies%20%20-%20but%20all%20your%20doing%20is%20showing%20that%20you%20yourself%20are%20out%20of%20your%20depth%0A%0Ai%20suggest%20actually%20knowing%20what%20your%20talking%20about%20before%20proving%20your%20idiocy%20to%20all%20and%20sundry.%0A%0AIn%20fact%20-%20have%20you%20ever%20added%20anything%20other%20that%20entry%20level%20brainless%20one%20liners%3F%0A

          [translates as ]

          it would be wiser to stop making assumptions – met doesnt smoke weed you ignoramus. Shes a qualified corporate lawyer. And yes i do know that for 100% fact.

          And you dont know shit about why she moved to dunedin

          it might suit your stupid little fantasies – but all your doing is showing that you yourself are out of your depth

          i suggest actually knowing what your talking about before proving your idiocy to all and sundry.

          In fact – have you ever added anything other that entry level brainless one liners?

          [lprent: I think that something has a problem. Will look at it later. ]

          • framu 9.4.1.1.1

            what%20the%20hell%20is%20going%20on%3F%0A%0AWhat%20i%20meant%20o%20say%20was%0A%0Afact)%20-%20meteria%20doesnt%20smoke%20-%20anything%2C%20full%20stop%0Afact)%20-%20her%20moving%20to%20dunedin%20had%20absolutely%20nothing%20to%20do%20with%20auckland%20house%20prices%0A%0Aconsidering%20your%20whole%20argument%20is%20based%20on%20things%20you%20invented%2C%20and%20that%20these%20things%20arent%20true%2C%20i%20think%20you%20need%20to%20make%20an%20aplogoy%20for%20engaging%20in%20personal%20attacks%20on%20people%20who%20you%20know%20nothing%20about

            [translated as]

            what the hell is going on?

            What i meant o say was

            fact) – meteria doesnt smoke – anything, full stop
            fact) – her moving to dunedin had absolutely nothing to do with auckland house prices

            considering your whole argument is based on things you invented, and that these things arent true, i think you need to make an aplogoy for engaging in personal attacks on people who you know nothing about

          • King Kong 9.4.1.1.2

            According to the ODT;

            “Mrs Turei and her husband, Worik Stanton, moved to Dunedin in 2004 when it became apparent they could not afford a home in Auckland. The list MP is based in Dunedin.”

            So either fatso lied to the ODT during the interview she did or it is you that doesn’t know shit.

            I didn’t realise her husbands name was Worik. His parents should be shot. What kind of cum knuckle does that to a kid

            [lprent: We all cannot be named the many variants of "Ook" ]

            • framu 9.4.1.1.2.1

              shes a very old personal friend – so i think i know more than you or the media.

              just because the papers have a single quote doesnt mean that was the only thing in play

              what the fuck is it with you and the name calling – grow the fuck up, its fucking offensive

              • King Kong

                Where as I find the poor usage of the word fuck, three times in one sentence offensive.

                Different strokes for different folks, eh?

                • framu

                  difference is – its just a word – im not applying it to you personally

                  difficult concept for a monkey sure – but there is a difference

            • Paul 9.4.1.1.2.2

              That’s mature…’fatso,
              Can’t you debate the issues or is personal name calling the level of your debating skills?
              Pathetic.

          • Mike S 9.4.1.1.3

            “i suggest actually knowing what your talking about before….”

            Shhh… Let them keep going the way they are, it’s way more fun… It can be sometimes absolutely astounding to read what some people actually think, I wouldn’t want to lose that entertaining (and admittedly at times enraging) insight into their thought processes.

            The phrase “Don’t always believe what you think..” is one that some posters should dwell on.

        • RedBaronCV 9.4.1.2

          Around about the amount key has trousered from his high end tax cuts $0.5m

  10. tricldrown 10

    Pukish lack of imagination their.
    Govt bribes to get rid of shares at fire sale prices.
    Blinglish said they would not sell if they couldn’t get the minimum price
    Now with nearly $800 million of taxpayer bailout its means just another broken promise.
    $476 million write down in meridian for losses selling cheap power to tiwae.
    $30 million to rio tinto
    $60 million to bribe meridian sharee buyers
    $125 million to goldman sachs
    $120 million to advertise sales
    $50 million MRP to prop up share value.
    +Another $1 to 2 billion in lost value to existing share holders that is every NZ citizen.
    Then loss of divdends.
    This is what Key was doing at Merril Lynch.
    Riping off clients.
    Goldman sachs the same.
    Goldman sachs are facing a raft of SEC charges .
    Goldman Sachs are one of the most corrupt organizations on earth receiving $666 billion in bailouts from US treasury.
    BofA Incorporating Merril Lynch
    Received $336 billion in bailouts.
    Now shonkey is looking out for his future.
    When He moves to Hawaii He will be immediatly be appointed to the board of BofA or Goldman Sachs!

    • TightyRighty 10.1

      only at the standard could you see that much stupid in one comment and not have it moderated. Obviously you’re the average labour/greens voter who has found their voice on the internet. Congratulations on discovering modern technology. use your new found awareness sparingly though, it doesn’t seem to extend to your lack of knowledge.

      [lprent: That is because we don't moderate on content, we moderate on behaviour. For instance the behaviour that is known as "pointless abuse" which you seem to have just wandered into.

      If you read your lame and really stupid comment you will realise that there is absolutely *no* point in it. You haven't said anywhere in the comment *what* you found to be a problem in the content of the the comment you were replying to. You just jerked off on the abuse without bothering to explain why you thought it was a problem - a characteristic pig-ignorant right wing wanker compensating for their lack of intelligence with a inflated ego and little talent..

      Congratulations, you have just won a weeks ban for pointless abuse. Have an extra week for being stupid enough to be a pious wannabe PG clone trying to tell us how we should run the site (and thereby attracting my attention to your comment).. ]

      • Mike S 10.1.1

        :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

        lprent you just made me cry…..and my sides are hurting…..love it…

      • Chooky 10.1.2

        …me too…jolly good laugh…thanks Iprent ! (thanx Big Daddy….ooops….Esteemed Facilitator)

        (.btw…speaking of Big Daddys ….cant we have Mr Dotcom on here as an invited poster ….IT is increasingly ruling the world (even bank robbers, according to the latest New Scientist)….and I would love to know where IT /webs/devts are influencing/determining the political schemes of States and Nations…a bit of Sci Fi futuristic conjecture would also be interesting…I think it could be a big draw card to this site..and the MSM may pick up onit as well…….just a thought from a computer/technology retard)

    • Chooky 10.2

      + 100 trickledown…this is DAMNING!……maybe you should put this up again on a new Open Mike for discussion on the facts and figures….. or put it in a Post?…this is important!

      (….I for one got sidetracked by the mirth of Tighty Righty getting banned…you must have gotten under his/her skin!)

  11. Ad 11

    We are used to understanding that the state should own utilities because they are near-monopolies, with solid returns that are good for thengovernment’s accounts.

    But Lprent posted a little while back about preferring government investment into high-tech rather than pastoral industries as high tech gave far higher likelihood of higher salaries, faster innovation uptake, etc.

    So there will likely be a decision point for a Cunliffe administration on (a) what it does with the remaining unspent cash from the shares sales, and (b) could it be better to put the cash into supporting high tech R&D firms rather than old school electricity utilities in further buy-backs.

    Labour will sooner than later face what to spend their money on, there is never enough of it, so does it really make sense to get control of the electricity utilities again?

    • ghostwhowalksnz 11.1

      Your reasoning is all wrong.

      Its the hisk risk startup and new technologies that the private sector should finance.

      The essential utility safe as houses sector is where the state belongs

      As we have seen they are ‘back in the housing sector’, so National is really throwing their manifesto to the winds

    • lprent 11.2

      …Lprent posted a little while back about preferring government investment into high-tech rather than pastoral industries as high tech gave far higher likelihood of higher salaries, faster innovation uptake, etc

      Not to mention lower environmental impacts, less emphasis on service industries (important to me as I’m seldom polite or nice), and flatter tiered managerial organisations which are invariably more pleasant to work in (fewer meetings for a starter) etc etc.

      They’re also generally more fun to work in than generating agricultural commodities. And yes, I have worked the arse end of a cow (and dodged hooves and assorted liquids), done lambing beats in “spring” (cold windy squalls coming off Taupo while you have a hand stuck in a ewe’s cervix are a real downer), and carried strainers up the cliffs that some farmers laughingly call “pasture”. I did enjoy it. But not nearly as much as writing code and directly developing export markets.

  12. Ad 12

    I know Ghost and still think Lprent was wrong. I was trying to apply the reasoning from the previous debate onto asset sales.
    Having said that, we are being royally screwed as consumers by power utilities in public ownership. Unless a new government is going to regulate much harder, I can’t yet see a price benefit to public ownership.

    The other utility really bothering me is Chorus, which MSavage has posted on. Key is so weak in this area and deliberately undermining the regulator. Again, regulation and enforcement is the problem.

    So what problem are we really trying to solve bringing the power companies back into full public ownership?

    [lprent: I am often wrong as I don't have infinite time to get things right. But what am I being wrong in here? I lack context. ]

    • Draco T Bastard 12.1

      Having said that. we are being royally screwed as consumers by power utilities in public ownership.

      It’s not government ownership that does that. it’s the profit motive that does it.

      Unless a new government is going to regulate much harder. I can’t yet see a price benefit to public ownership.

      The government doesn’t need to make a profit and thus the cost should be lower.

      So what problem are we really trying to solve bringing the power companies back into full public ownership

      Three problems
      1) The dead-weight loss of profit
      2.) The inefficiency inherent in competition and
      3.) Natural monopolies.

      [lprent: Looks like a comment done in something else and passed through as a escaped URL. Run through slickedit to fix it. ]

      • Ad 12.1.1

        Can’t seem to open this.

      • Draco T Bastard 12.1.2

        NFI what happened there. Just submitted it as normal.

        • lprent 12.1.2.1

          There was an update in the re-edit plugin this morning. That would be my bet. But it did check out ok on the quick test on the test box.

          I’ll keep an eye on it. Found 2 more in the comment stream.

          Update: And 4 more in the trash. It is a classic URL/HTML escape sequence (eg %20 = space in hexadecimal)

          If anyone spots it, tell me if there was anything unusual and what browser/OS you are using.

          • bad12 12.1.2.1.1

            LPrent, the 20% is occurring all through a comment when it appears after an ‘edit’, i am using firefox…

            [lprent: Good - different browser. Bet it is the re-edit. ]

          • Draco T Bastard 12.1.2.1.2

            I’m%20using%20Chrome%20Version%2030.0.1599.69%20m%20on%20Win7.%0A%0AMade%20several%20comments%20today%20and%20that’s%20the%20only%20one%20that%20went%20bung.

            [lprent: translated that is..]

            Im using Chrome Version 30.0.1599.69 m on Win7.

            Made several comments today and thats the only one that went bung.

            [lprent: I happen to have a win7 box like that next to me right now, and a long compile. ]

      • greywarbler 12.1.3

        DTB
        Interesting mind test you set there Draco. I’ve sorted through the maze and think this summation of yours needs to be seen.

        So what problem are we really trying to solve bringing the power companies back into full public ownership?
        Three problems –
        1 The dead weight loss of profit.
        2 The inefficiency inherent in competition and,
        3 Natural monopolies.

        • Ad 12.1.3.1

          1. Big utilities should have sufficient profits to run their assets. That’s a regulatory not political task.
          2. Not sure how you would prove the comparison
          3. Again, regulation and enforcement

          • Draco T Bastard 12.1.3.1.1

            1.) Profit is over and above the costs of running the assets.
            2.) Competition increases duplication especially in unproductive administration. Also increases the need for regulation and enforcement through having to tell private companies to be nice to each other.
            3.) Transparent government ownership of natural monopolies is cheaper than massive regulation and enforcement.

            • Ad 12.1.3.1.1.1

              1. Not for utilities like ports airports and electricity. Commerce Commission has huge hearings about them.
              2. Agree they are inefficient, but it would be hard for anyone to prove the rative administrative efficiency of s public system.
              3. Well possibly, but where would you stop renationalising, why, how much, and which companies would hang around to find out?

              • Draco T Bastard

                1. Not for utilities like ports airports and electricity. Commerce Commission has huge hearings about them.

                Has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

                2. Agree they are inefficient, but it would be hard for anyone to prove the rative administrative efficiency of s public system.
                Not really

                3. Well possibly, but where would you stop renationalising, why, how much, and which companies would hang around to find out?

                That would have to be open to discussion. I’d renationalise all natural monopolies, e.g. All international airports, ports, telecommunications, power, health etc. I’d also look at what I call demand monopolies – services that everyone uses and so having it as a state monopoly would bring about efficiencies of scale that would be lacking in a competitive environment.

  13. tricldrown 13

    Materia Turei bought a castle in Dunedin probably for the same price you would buy a garage in Auckland.
    I’ve met her and hubby in person and they are just lovely people.
    Primitive primate.
    Can’t help but resort to primal bullying.l

    • TightyRighty 13.1

      Metiria Turei and her hubby bought a castle in dunedin? Larnach? thought it was owned by a trust still?

      Have you tried buying a garage in auckland, it’s relatively cheap for the potential return. probably one of the best property investments you can make right now. certainly better than a draughty old castle, the ever imposing signal of oppression of the working class that it is.

      • Mike S 13.1.1

        A garage??? That’s luxury..

        Jeez, it’d be hard to buy a bloomin’ carpark these days (some sell for 100k plus) let alone a garage..

        Hmmmm, I’m talking with a banned person…not sure how I feel about that….hmmmm

        What’s your view on that TightyRighty?
        ….
        ….
        Hello…? You there Tighty?
        ….
        ….
        Hello?

        :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  14. tricldrown 14

    Pukesh rogue so you take more notice of warren buffet Hey saysthe rich should pay their fair share of taxes and that CGT should be at the same rate as income tax after all it is income.
    You are just the minion the big boys send to do their dirty work.
    So if the returns are so good then the shortfall in dividends to the govt will have to be made up
    by you and everone elsr paying more tax.
    Your the idiot Pukesh.

    • Puckish Rogue 14.1

      I listen to his views on the share market but it doesn’t mean I slavishly agree with everything he says, for example if he wants to pay his fair share of tax he can voluntarily pay more but he doesn’t

      • Mike S 14.1.1

        Ummm…No.

        You can’t voluntarily pay more tax than what you legally are required to pay. If, for example, you sent IRD a check saying it was for extra tax over and above what you are required to pay, they will send it back or destroy it. Probably because it can’t be allocated to any legal tax item.

  15. Whatever next 15

    Going back to Tracey’s point about potential poor turnout at referendum.
    National have consistently driven propaganda that the electorate’s role in democracy is redundant, and we should leave to the ” big boys” (bit ironic).
    The results of selling assets have hit home in UK, and in the news as we speak, but it is too late. How do we point out that we could learn from what is happening there, and stop it before it starts??

  16. Whatever next 16

    Going back to Tracey’s point about potential poor turnout at referendum.
    National have consistently driven propaganda that the electorate’s role in democracy is redundant, and we should leave to the ” big boys” (bit ironic).
    The results of selling assets have hit home in UK, and in the news as we speak, but it is too late. How do we point out that we could learn from what is happening there, and stop it before it starts??

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    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Speech to Canterbury Chamber of Commerce
    Today I'm going to talk about our policy package to upgrade and grow our economy and how we turn that growth into a foundation for a decent and fair society. But first I want to address the issue of our...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Commission of Inquiry must have bipartisan support
    The Labour Party is drafting terms of reference for a Commission of Inquiry, Labour’s Shadow Attorney-General David Parker says. “It is abundantly clear there is a need for an independent Commission of Inquiry, chaired by a High Court Judge, into...
    Labour | 01-09
  • Rapid Transit to unclog Christchurch
    Labour will build a 21st century Rapid Transit system for Christchurch, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The long delayed recovery of Christchurch hinges on a modern commuter system for the city. “We will invest $100 million in a modern rail plan...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Labour’s commitment to public broadcasting
    A Labour Government will set up a working group to re-establish a public service television station as part of our commitment to ensuring New Zealand has high quality free-to-air local content. “We will set up a working group to report...
    Labour | 31-08
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • A brief word on why Wendyl Nissen is a hero
    Wendyl Nissen is a hero. The sleazy black ops attack on her by Slater and Odgers on behalf of Grocery Council chief executive Katherine Rich is sick. All Nissen is doing in her column is point out the filth and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • She saw John Key on TV and decided to vote!
    . . NZ, Wellington, 15 September – ‘Tina’* is 50, a close friend,  and one of the “Missing Million” from the last election. In fact, ‘Tina’ has never voted in her life.  Not once. In ‘Tina’s’ own words, politics has...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Eminem sues National Party for unlawful use of ‘Lose yourself’ bhahahah...
    …ahahahahahahahaha. Oh Christ this is hilarious… National Party sued over Eminem copyright infringment US rapper Eminem is suing the National Party for allegedly breaching copyright by using his song Lose Yourself in its campaign advertisements. The Detroit-based publishers of Eminem’s...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Are the Greens about to be snookered by a Labour-NZ First Government?
    I wrote last week that it was smart politics that the Greens pointed out they could work with National, the soft blue vote that’s looking for a home in the wake of Dirty Politics isn’t going to Labour, so the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • BLOGWATCH: Fonterra join 2Degrees and boycott Whaleoil
    In the wake of Dirty Politics, advertisers are pulling their advertising out of Whaleoil. PaknSave, Evo Cycles Pukekohe, Localist, 2 Degrees, Fertility Associates, iSentia, NZ Breast Cancer Foundation, Maori TV, Bookme.co.nz, Dobetter.co.nz and the Sound are now joined by Fonterra...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • PM Key accused of allowing secret ‘spook’ cable sensors to spy on citiz...
    Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald (left) and Kim Dotcom at the “moment of truth” political surveillance meeting in Auckland last night. Image: PMW By ANNA MAJAVU of Pacific Media Watch NEW ZEALAND Prime Minister John Key has been accused of...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Fiji pre-election ‘politics’ blackout stirs media protests, frustration
    BLACKOUT DAY – Monday, day one of the “silence window” in Fiji leading up to the close of polling in the general election at 6pm on Wednesday. And this is under the draconian threat of a $10,000 fine or five...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • “Now the work of movements begins”: government corruption, media bias, ...
    I am so tired of the dirty politics of the National government, aren’t you? I am tired of John Key and his pathetic attacks on award-winning journalists who have spent their careers fighting and digging for truth and good. The...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Moment of Truth review, smoking guns and the awful coverage by the NZ msm
      There were queues unlike any the Town Hall has seen, 1000 were turned away once it became full…     …full to the rafters. The energy and atmosphere within the room was extraordinary, and it begun…   …Glenn Greenwald...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Why Maori TV’s Te Tai Tokeraou Poll will be proved wrong
    If Hone Harawira had a dollar every time the media wrote off his chance of winning Te Tai Tokeraou, he would have more money than Kim Dotcom. Remember the by-election? Hone was 1 point ahead of Kelvin in an exact...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • September 15 RNZ interviews – and then the Moment of Truth
    . Acknowledgement: Emmerson . 15 September – Leading up to the Moment of Truth public meeting this evening, these Radio NZ interviews are worth listening to; . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Live Stream: Moment of Truth Tonight 7pm
    Live Video Stream by eCast: The Daily Blog will Live Stream the Moment of Trust public meeting from 7pm. The meeting will feature Glenn Greenwald, Kim Dotcom, Robert Amsterdam, and a very special guest…...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • The proof Key lied about GCSB mass surveillance
    And we start getting to the evidence that proves Key has lied about mass surveillance. The article by Glenn Greenwald is out and it is beyond damning… Documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden show that the government worked in...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • A brief word on the Ede-Slater emails
    Every day I have rushed to read the paper to see if a breaking story on the Ede-Slater emails had broken yet. They haven’t. Day after day, where are these emails? We know Rawshark sent the emails to David Fisher...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • The email that proves Key is a liar
    This is the Email proving Key knew about Kim Dotcom before he claims he did… “We had a really good meeting with the Prime Minister. He’s a fan and we’re getting what we came for. Your groundwork in New Zealand...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Henchmen
    Henchmen...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why it simply isn’t credible that Key stepped in and shut down the mass s...
    Key’s staggering admission that yes there was a year long business model by the GCSB to mass spy on all of NZ but  that he stepped in and shut it down after Cabinet had signed it off just sounds like make...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man
    Politicians like putting up straw men for the purpose of self-righteously knocking them over. Prime Minister John Key has a particular straw man he loves to punch over. He raises it whenever he’s asked about mass surveillance of New Zealanders...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • John Armstrong turns on Glenn Greenwald
    Where does a mediocre journalist like John Armstrong get off attacking a journalist with the credibility of Glenn Greenwald as he has in his ridiculous column today? Armstrong has the audacity to try and play the terrorism card to justify why...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – Which of John Key’s many statements on the GC...
    We already have Glenn Greenwald’s assertion on The Nation that John Key has misled New Zealanders as to whether the GCSB has engaged in mass surveillance of Kiwis. But Key has made many other statements about the GCSB’s powers and...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Election 2014: Numbers and Faces
    Democratic politics is a game of numbers and faces. How can we translate the numbers into the 120 or more faces that will be in the next Parliament? Below is my prediction of a likely result: 120 people, divided by...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Scotland the brave
    The possibility that Scotland will vote for independence this Thursday has panicked the British establishment. An unholy alliance of Tory, Labour, Liberal and corporate leaders has resorted to fear-mongering and bullying on grand scale in a last ditch effort to...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Why Key’s denials sound so off and why Dotcom’s fight is all our fight
    The shrillness of Key is the issue. His denials just too forced and rehearsed. Key has gone from Hollow Man to Shallow Man with his lashing out at Pulitzer Price winning Journalist Glenn Greenwald by calling him a ‘henchman’. This...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a S...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • Letters to the Editor – Spies, Lies, Five Eyes, and other matters on a Su...
    . . Sharing a few thoughts and observations with newspaper editors around the country… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com>to: Sunday Star Times <letters@star-times.co.nz>date: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The Editor Sunday Star Times . Our...
    The Daily Blog | 14-09
  • As TDB predicted, Labour to use universal super fund to buy back assets and...
    Greens about to be snookered again?   As The Daily Blog has pointed out several times now, Labour will use a universal super fund to buy back NZs assets in a bid to offer Winston a legacy project… Labour plans...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • A lesson in caring for our most vulnerable
    Some of the comments on this article make me sick. Because I am so very much over people who think they are better than others because things have gone their way in life and think those who aren’t as functional...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Please vote positive
    One of the features of campaigning is the meet-the-candidates event.  As an opportunity to present policies to the voter, they aren’t the best vehicle but still serve a useful purpose.  The problem is that there are too many candidates and...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • For this who don’t vote this election
    For this who don’t vote this election...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Where does Key get off abusing a Pulitzer prize winning Journalist like Gle...
    We are seeing the Dirty Politics PM today when Key decided the best way to counter the Glenn Greenwald claims of GCSB mass surveillance was to denigrate Greenwald… Prime Minister John Key says he will prove Glenn Greenwald’s claims by the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Teflon Man No More
    . .   On 26 August, as Nicky Hager’s expose on New Zealand’s right wing politics hit public consciousness and confirmed our worst fears, I wrote, “Dirty Politics” has achieved more than simply revealing  unwholesome machinations between National party apparatchiks,...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • Dear mainstream media – regarding Key’s promise to resign if GCSB expos...
    Dear Mainstream media. How’s it all going? I would like to acknowledge the deep depression many members of the Press Gallery are going through as their boy Key looks less and less likely to win. I appreciate how a loss...
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • It’s official: ACT’s Jamie Whyte is several-sandwiches-and-a-salad sho...
    .   . There aren’t very many times I agree wholeheartedly with our Dear Leader – but on this occassion I believe he spoke for those 99% of New Zealanders for whom common sense is as natural as breathing air....
    The Daily Blog | 13-09
  • ‘I’ll not be intimidated … by cowards’, says Fiji death threat jour...
    Fiji Sun’s Jyoti Pratibha … death threats via fake Facebook profiles. Image: Pacific Scoop THE PARIS-based media freedom advocacy organisation Reporters Sans Frontières and the Pacific Media Centre have condemned threats and intimidation against political reporters this week covering Fiji’s...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Glenn Greenwald on TV3s ‘The Nation’ – Everyone remember when Key pro...
    Glenn Greenwald has just given his first NZ interview on TV3s ‘The Nation’ and what he had to say was incredibly damaging. Glenn is here for Kim Dotcom’s Moment of Truth on Monday and what he has just had to...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • What will soft National vote do, why Colin Craig will be a focus in final w...
    In what has been the most unpredictable elections of our time, the final week promises more shocks and bombshells than World War One trench warfare. We have the media who still have the Rawshark emails that detail the Ede-Slater exchanges....
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Would a National-Conservative Party reduce rights to an abortion? Legalise ...
    With the possibility of a Conservative-National Party coalition looming, let’s consider the impact of this new hard right religious Government on social policy. We know Conservative Party candidate Edward Saafi, believes the inability to legally bash your kids is responsible for teenage prostitution, teenage pregnancy and...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • ACTs solution to crime – more guns?
    How insane are the ACT Party? Honestly? Their solution to crime is to arm every shop keeper with a sawn off shotgun??? “Criminals are well aware that shopkeepers are defenceless and are taking advantage of this in brutal robberies. What...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • John Key’s gift to teenage girls…
    Yesterday I was at the MANA Movement policy release on “Predators on Poverty” in the Otahuhu Shopping Centre. Successive Labour and National governments have left vulnerable communities on their own to face these merciless thieves who prey on the poor...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Poverty denial – Where does National get its advice from?
    National is displaying a quite inadequate understanding of their own policies and worrying inability to respond to criticism. When John Key trots out his old, tired example of how ‘work pays’ on Morning Report this week to justify leaving 260,000...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Education reformers mean well, so what’s the problem?
    The thing about education reformers is that, mostly, they mean well. Whether it’s charter schools, National Standards, Teach First, or another reform, many people involved have good intentions.  They want to improve things, try something new and innovate, they say. The thing...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • My brain hurts
    My brain hurts.  This election year has been a really long nine months.  The lies, the headlines, the spin, the policy, the chat, I am literally overloaded with information.  At times it’s been exhausting trying to keep up.  However I...
    The Daily Blog | 12-09
  • Pregnancy Help Welcomes Green Party Packs for Newborn Babies
    Pregnancy Help applauds Metiria Turei acknowledging that “for many parents the birth of a new child is a highly stressful and financially straining time” and the desire for every child to thrive....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • McVicar Welcomes ASA Decision
    Napier Conservative Party Candidate Garth McVicar welcomes the Advertising Standards Authority’s decision to not uphold the pamphlet complaint of Robert Johnson, Campaign Manager for Napier Labour candidate Stuart Nash. The ASA acknowledged that one complaint...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Whyte: In 12 months’ time, here is what will matter
    In three days’ time I will be elected along with a number of ACT MPs. I think the media will be surprised and ask how it happened?...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Internet MANA Will Grant Special Residency to Edward Snowden
    Internet MANA will put the case to the new government to welcome global surveillance whistle blower Edward Snowden, granting him safe passage and residency in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Ten millionth traveller uses SmartGate
    The 10 millionth traveller to pass through SmartGate, Customs’ automated passenger processing system, was greeted by Customs Manager Passenger Operations, Peter Lewis today at Auckland International Airport....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Key vs. Cunliffe: Final Live NZ Election Reactor 7pm Tonight
    John Key and David Cunliffe go head to head for the last time tonight and you can decide who wins by driving the worm. This is the last live Election Reactor covering the debate tonight at 7pm on TV One....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Offenders Get Road Safety Message
    Wellington Community Corrections partnered with emergency services, government agencies, organisations and Kapiti Coast District Council to deliver an innovative road safety programme to 70 community-based offenders at Southwards Car Museum on Tuesday 16...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Proposed law to decriminalise Abortion
    http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news2011/politics_news/12/q_a_interview__list_mp_jan_logie_n2.jpgRight to Life is disappointed that the Green Party is refusing to provide a response to the seven very important questions that have been addressed to Jan Logie, spokesperson...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Election 2014 Will Be Costly
    The Taxpayers’ Union has today released the final update for its ' Bribe-O-Meter ' election costing website in the lead-up to Saturday’s general election. Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Roy Morgan Poll September 17
    John Key set to win narrow election victory on Saturday as Labour/Greens slump puts Winston Peters in powerful position as NZ First surge to 8% Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows National (46.5%, up 1.5%) set to win a...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Wahakura Package would provide warm welcome for babies
    The Greens Wahakura Welcome package announced yesterday is a wonderful example of child-centred policy which would help all children get a fair and equal start in life, says Child Poverty Action Group. CPAG health spokesperson Innes Asher says,...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • TPPA a Sellout to American Corporate Greed
    New Zealand will become a permanent prisoner to the United States’ greed and global arrogance if the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) isn’t stopped, warns Internet MANA....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Wintry showers and blustery winds for Election Day
    As we head towards the weekend, it is time to look at what the weather will be for New Zealand's "Have Your Say" Day....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New national secretary announced
    The PSA is pleased to announce the appointment of Erin Polaczuk to the role of national secretary....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Public Secotr & TISA: On the cusp of something very special?
    Is the National Party keeping some things out of sight in case they frighten the electorate? Here is some worrying evidence that this may be the case....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • MPI ups yacht biosecurity ante
    Yachts arriving in Northland from overseas this season will face greater biosecurity scrutiny, says the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI)....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • iPredict Election Update
    John Key’s National Party now has an 88% probability of leading the next government , most probably with the support of NZ First, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. There...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Crowdfunding to Save Native Fish
    NZ Landcare Trust is offering an exciting project designed to assist native fish, as part of the launch of a new global crowdfunding category called 'The Landcare & Environment Collection.' This exciting step, aims to help raise funds and support,...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New methods needed to reach non-voters
    Non-voters are much heavier users of the internet than those who do vote, while 43 per cent of non-voters say they never read a newspaper according to research released today by the Election Data Consortium....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Parties sent home with report cards
    More than 2000 New Zealanders came together to run a full page ad in the Herald today asking all Parties what they will commit to do to clean up politics. The answers are in, and ActionStation has graded Parties on...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • One in 10 Kiwis want Winston Peters to Run the Country -Poll
    New Zealand First leader, Winston Peters has seen his personal popularity reach a three-year high in the final 3News/Reid Research poll ahead of Election Day....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Shut Down This Govt Not Kaiti WINZ
    "I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can" is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • New methods needed to reach non-voters
    Non-voters are much heavier users of the internet than those who do vote, while 43 per cent of non-voters say they never read a newspaper according to research released today by the Election Data Consortium....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Conservatives Break Through 5% Threshold
    Reports in today’s Dominion Post that the Conservative Party is polling at 6% in Nationals internal polling are not surprising says the Conservative Napier candidate Garth McVicar....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • IGIS: No Indiscriminate Interception of NZers’ Data Found
    “As part of my role as Inspector-General, I review whether the GCSB complies with the restrictions upon interception of New Zealanders’ communications and with the requirement to intercept communications only for authorised purposes. That review...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Conservatives Break through 5% Threshold
    Reports in today’s Dominion Post that the Conservative Party is polling at 6% in Nationals internal polling are not surprising says the Conservative Napier candidate Garth McVicar....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Hundreds of Students Turn Out for Political Debate
    With only a few days left before the general election, over 500 Victoria students packed the central Hub space on campus today to listen to a political debate on student issues organised by the Students’ Association. Victoria University of Wellington...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Ex-prisoners make most of mentoring to make most of life
    It’s not every day that an organisation triples a programme in size, but PARS Inc (formerly known as the Prisoners’ Aid and Rehabilitation Society of the Auckland District Inc) has managed to do just that with their Community Mentoring Scheme,...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Unscrupulous worker highlights why 90-days works
    Federated Farmers believes the experience of a husband and wife farming team in Taranaki underscores why the 90-days provision is so important to small businesses. “Yesterday a member called 0800 FARMING to alert us to a guy doing the rounds...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Eye to Eye Uploaded
    Leading Maori broadcaster and political commentator Willie Jackson previews Eye to Eye Uploaded, a multi-platform series of interviews that he’s aiming to put in front of media radars next year....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Party Rankings against Inequality
    Revealed: which party will do the most to reduce New Zealand’s growing inequality crisis...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Maritime Union backs change of Government
    The Maritime Union says a change of Government is required to deliver secure jobs and decent wages for New Zealand workers....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Green Party package for newborns welcomed
    16 September 2014 Media Release The New Zealand College of Midwives has welcomed a policy announced today by the Green Party which would provide a package of essential items for every newborn baby. The College is a non partisan organisation...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • ALCP Release Election Manifesto
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party has released its manifesto in the lead up to the election on Saturday....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Election Daily Update #9
    John Key’s National Party appears to have received a major boost from last night’s “Moment of Truth” event, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Despite no major changes...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Eminem Publishers Sue New Zealand National Party
    Detroit-based music publishing companies sue National Party for damages for unauthorised use of song in election campaign advertising...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Parties Back Rethink of WINZ Shared Care Parenting Laws
    Overwhelming Majority of Parties Back Rethink of WINZ Shared Care Parenting Laws. Press release- Fifty Fifty Campaign, 16 September 2014 National is the only political party willing to defend the way WINZ treats separated parents who share their kids...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Parents Smacking Down Prime Minister
    "John Keys failure to deliver on his promise to change the anti-smacking law is costing National votes, and helping the Conservative Party," says Colin Craig....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Political Debate on Family Violence – Video & Audio
    The Dunedin Collaboration Against Family Violence was happy to host a political debate on Family Violence chaired by Professor Nicola Atwool of the University of Otago. Family Violence is a huge problem in our community and we invited representatives...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Greens Take Nanny State To A New Level
    Family First NZ is labelling the Green’s ‘welcome package’ for newborns policy as wasteful and misdirected. “This policy is taking ‘nanny state’ to a new level but indicates just how much the Greens want to intervene in family life,”...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • 2,100 people send message about dirty politics
    2,100 people have signed their name to a full-page open letter featuring in the New Zealand Herald this Wednesday. The letter is designed to send a message to politicians that dirty politics is an important election issue....
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Are DoC manipulating Rat Numbers?
    Ban 1080 Political Party co-leader Bill Wallace says there are serious rumours DoC has changed their rat counting technique to cover up the lack of the mythical “Rat Plague” claimed by the Department in Kahurangi National Park, and also that...
    Scoop politics | 16-09
  • Average Full time Student Is in Financial Distress
    A new survey has found that nearly half of all full time students are in significant financial distress....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Key and Cunliffe, research revealed by Ancestry.com.au
    Contrasting family histories of John Key and David Cunliffe, revealed by research from Ancestry.com.au....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Revelations a Damning Indictment of Key’s Honesty
    The Prime Minister’s honesty is now central to the election, says Internet Party Leader Laila Harré, following the revelations of whistleblower Edward Snowden that there is mass surveillance of New Zealand citizens by the GCSB....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Organisations Have ‘Duty of Care’ for Players says Law Firm
    Concussion injuries in amateur and professional sporting arenas are currently highly topical. Concussion potentially appears to have been implicit in the recent death of a young player in Northland....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Media Release from Closing the Gap on Health and Housing
    “Inequality is the biggest problem facing New Zealand at the present time” says Peter Malcolm National Secretary of Closing the Gap. It underlies many of our social ills, poverty, lack of trust, an economy that could do much better, and...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Expanding Whānau Ora – a bottom line for Māori Party
    Leaving the best to last, the Māori Party has launched its Whānau Ora policy today following a fun family event at Te Ore Ore Marae in Masterton last night. “When we change what happens in our homes, we change what...
    Scoop politics | 15-09
  • Colin Craig’s Incredible Claims Continue
    Hot on the heels of a Conservative Party candidate proposing to double the price of a bottle of wine, Colin Craig has come up with an even more fantastic idea to buttress his uncosted tax policy....
    Scoop politics | 15-09
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