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1. Olwyn 1

   21 August 2012 at 10:19 am

   I was unable to go to that, since it clashed with a family event, and may not even have gone had things been otherwise, since I am still angry and deeply suspicious of the Labour caucus. The last thing I want to see at the moment are MPs who have not responded to severe criticism “working a room.” I do see promise in support for NZ industry and full employment, assuming that they are serious and unequivocal about it, rather than trying another angle. And assuming also that by “full employment” they mean jobs, as opposed to hounding the unemployed on grounds that they think will be more palatable. In short, I watch with interest, but have yet to be convinced.
2. David H 2

   21 August 2012 at 10:29 am

   Until I see Cunliffe being allowed to speak freely as well, then I may change my mind. But I too DO NOT trust Robertson, Parker and co.
   • old timer 2.1

     22 August 2012 at 10:20 pm

     Rising the pension age is a no brainier . Only the wealthy want to do this .
     Labour core vote don’t want this.
     Why should the rich be subsidized by the working poor ? Even Roger Douglas would not have suggested this .
     The Davids view was far from accepted that night . What brand of coffee was Mike drinking or what was he smoking on Monday night?
3. Dr Terry 3

   21 August 2012 at 10:38 am

   Thoroughly agree with above comments from Olwyn and David H. Do not get all carried away and excited just yet – caution wanted, plus return of Cunliffe.
   • Colonial Viper 3.1

     22 August 2012 at 9:48 am

     David Parker got some decently skeptical heckling from one or two members there, who expressed discontent. Can someone who was present explain what was said in the exchange?

     IMO we can’t afford a party which is simply compliant with whatever caucus presents. We need opportunities to question and question hard. I would’ve asked what is meant by “full employment” – is it the neoliberal definition that Labour follows ie. you’re always going to have a medium sized city full of unemployed in this country.
4. Bored 4

   21 August 2012 at 10:40 am

   Given the speech was on the “economy I thought it might pay to frame the policy and direction questions to Parker and crew with reference to the (economy related) Guiding Principles of Labour.

   The Labour Party accepts the following democratic socialist principles –

   • The natural resources of New Zealand belong to all the people and these resources, and in particular non-renewable resources, should be managed for the benefit of all, including future generations.

   • All people should have equal access to all social, economic, cultural, political and legal spheres, regardless of wealth or social position, and continuing participation in the democratic process.

   • Co-operation, rather than competition, should be the main governing factor in economic relations, in order that a greater amount and a just distribution of wealth can be ensured.

   • All people are entitled to dignity, self-respect and the opportunity to work.

   • All people, either individually or in groups, may own wealth or property for their own use, but in any conflict of interest people are always more important than property and the state must ensure a just distribution of wealth.

   All Labour have to do is fill in the gaps with a coherent policy, I dont see much space for hands off market clap trap in this. I would ask Pagani to do it (and earn hios pay) but I fear he is too tainted by neo-lib rhetoric to understand.
   • aerobubble 4.1

     21 August 2012 at 11:30 am

     Energy drives our economy, as energy sources dwindle and decline, we need to replace them. Ain’t going to happen. Petroleum took millions of years to accumulate. Now sure, we can replace some of the fuels, since the sun still does shine and we do have technology to find quicker ways to make the stuff. But that requires land, water, it requires investment, it still creates pollution, it will still require change as it won’t be sufficient, aka 15 billion people when finally if they start now…

     This is the problem with Labour, sure we like the above values, and when in power Labour should have introduced a world class Human Rights protection net and so we would not be wishing we had one now. When the MSD minister is caught breaching privacy, and the ACC minister has a zero tolerance for privacy breaches, you have to wonder why we are no longer a nation of law when our parliament feels no shame. The minister obviously is misleading parliament by her hypocrisy.

     So as National continue to breach human right conventions, Labour have only itself to blame, when it had the chance it produce an ineffective Human Rights Act.
     • Bored 4.1.1

       21 August 2012 at 12:27 pm

       My thinking re Labours economic policy is that it should be totally driven by the need to transition our current energy dependent infrastructure and production to a low energy sustainable yield model BEFORE we are forced to by known future circumstance.

       The Guiding Principles lean toward a very citizen centric model in which this could exist: it is not the lack of ability or capital that can prevent our society surviving the transition, it will be a lack of will and direction. Provide the will, examine the direction and Labour might just get us there: National certainly wont, NOR Labour as NACTlite.
       • aerobubble 4.1.1.1

         21 August 2012 at 4:47 pm

         Its real simple, make the private motor vehicle prohibitively expensive for one individual per four seated vehicle. The right is always harping on about government getting in the way,
         well getting in the way can be used for good as well as evil. Use the force.
5. Colonial Viper 5

   21 August 2012 at 10:42 am

   Labour would use government purchasing to support New Zealand industry – he made particular reference to the ICT sector.

   How about we please move away from Microsoft and go to Open Source for all Government ICT. There are huge opportunities available here for the taking.

   Edit

   He restated Labour’s goal of full employment,

   Were the words “full employment” actually used? What in the speech gave evidence to the approach which might be used to achieve “full employment”.

   This is very interesting if backed up with substantial (billion dollar) initiatives.
   • Lanthanide 5.1

     21 August 2012 at 10:49 am

     “How about we please move away from Microsoft and go to Open Source for all Government ICT. There are huge opportunities available here for the taking.”

     Because sometimes, Microsoft has a lower total cost of ownership than Open Source.
     • Peter 5.1.1

       21 August 2012 at 11:07 am

       Sometimes, yes, but not all the time, and the advantages in flexibility and adaptation would outweigh some of the maintenance costs. Then there’s also the advantages of using the purchasing power of the state to improve on the existing open source software.

       I’d start with beefing up the open source division of the State Services Commission.
       • Bored 5.1.1.1

         21 August 2012 at 11:27 am

         I have run teams of Open Source developers, the real issue I see is the cost and availability of ongoing support for bespoke applications. Its always the part of the cost justification that becomes difficult with Open Source, although most major “open” apps do have support systems available for “pay”. Otherwise you need to “own” the team.

         Technically the other thing you can get with Microsoft and the big players is some degree of known and tested interoperability with such infrastructural elements as Active Directory, APIs etc etc etc. Open Source whilst less restrictive often lacks or requires development of key components, hence more cost.

         I reckon beefing up the Open Source part of the State agencies would be a good start, Open Office everywhere, lots of Licensing $s saved there.
       • infused 5.1.1.2

         21 August 2012 at 6:37 pm

         Since I’m involved in this I can tell you MS solutions are tried and tested. Normally cheaper with better support. Tried open source support?

         Tried large scale open source deployments?

         It doesn’t work [without huge cost]

         Also, One.Govt has been signed off, so that won’t happen for along time. One.Govt looks to finally bring IaaS under one structure.
     • Stephen 5.1.2

       21 August 2012 at 11:19 am

       As revealed in studies funded by Microsoft…

       It would be interesting to model TCO for FOSS once a government standardises on it — that would rather change the picture.
     • Draco T Bastard 5.1.3

       21 August 2012 at 1:45 pm

       http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110331/03350113711/according-to-microsofts-own-numbers-microsoft-costs-world-economy-500-billion.shtml

       By his (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) back-of-the-envelope calculation, this study really seems to suggest that Microsoft cost the world economy somewhere in the range of $500 billion:

       http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/how-microsoft-was-forced-open-office-200233?page=0,1

       In Office 2013, Microsoft was compelled to support the true ODF format as well as the PDF format. Here’s how open source won

       It would be simpler and cheaper if we just went to Open Source and open, non-proprietary standards rather than reinforcing the restricted view of a company that’s only in it to maximise the dead weight loss of profit.
       • infused 5.1.3.1

         21 August 2012 at 6:46 pm

         Office 2010 had Save As PDF support.

         “It would be simpler and cheaper if we just went to Open Source and open, non-proprietary standards”

         Where did you get that from? For any decent PDF editing functionality, you need to pay for it. It’s not open source.

         What standards do you speak of? Office 2010 can save in XML, that’s open and available to anyone.
         • Draco T Bastard 5.1.3.1.1

           21 August 2012 at 9:56 pm

           Where did you get that from?

           Go read the links.

           For any decent PDF editing functionality, you need to pay for it.

           And yet OpenOffice has had it for years. Is it the best? Probably not but it’s more than enough for basic office use.

           What standards do you speak of? Office 2010 can save in XML, that’s open and available to anyone.

           The second link specifically talks about that:

           That second issue was the bane of all users of office tools, so Sun took the initiative to go to the OASIS standards organization and propose a solution: a standardized file format for office productivity. I was involved in that activity and know for a fact that Sun approached other OASIS members to collaborate on the project. However, Microsoft declined, calling the proposal “redundant.”

           OASIS agreed to the proposal, and the result was the OpenDocument standard, ODF. Despite a slow start, ODF adoption snowballed; today, it is an ISO standard and an approved national standard worldwide. The resulting pressure on Microsoft became huge, and the company responded by manipulating the international standards world to create a competing XML file format standard based closely on the formats used in Microsoft Office. It was finally ratified by ISO in 2008.

           The history of MS is littered with it bitching about everyone else and then, finally, supporting the standards that have been around for years.
   • alex 5.2

     21 August 2012 at 10:49 am

     Full employment, if that is really the goal of Parker, would be the sort of policy that could really save the country. Auckland Labourites especially, you need to be telling your MPs and policy committees that you want Labour to follow through on this and campaign on it in 2014.
     • Carol 5.2.1

       21 August 2012 at 10:57 am

       Full employment with a living wage for all.
       • Colonial Viper 5.2.1.1

         21 August 2012 at 1:22 pm

         Full employment is a hugely important goal and one that I believe we should aim for. The last Labour government helped achieve the lowest unemployment in the world, and we can do it again.

         This is what Parker said.

         Its his personal opinion, not a party position or party policy.

         Also in neoliberal circles, ~3% unemployment is regarded as “full employment” because they don’t believe that any better is achievable for any length of time.
   • Carol 5.3

     21 August 2012 at 11:38 am

     Parker said this in his speech:

     We will require all government agencies to purchase New Zealand manufactured goods and services when appropriate. We all know what happened with our trains, which led to the loss of jobs and skills at Hillside, but did you know the ICT sector recently requested the National Government to give them a look in with government department ICT software and hardware purchasing? They were rebuffed. How stupid.
     • infused 5.3.1

       21 August 2012 at 6:39 pm

       Because of One.Govt. Try looking at One.Govt and see who is involved. A whole bunch of NZ companies.
   • Murray Olsen 5.4

     21 August 2012 at 4:30 pm

     The Brazilian government moved away from Microsoft a few years back:
     http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4602325.stm
     http://homembit.com/2011/09/microsofts-attack-on-brazilian-national-sovereignty-wikileaks-microsoft-odf-and-openxml.html
     http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010091600435NWMS
     As far as I’m aware, they haven’t regretted it.
6. Polish Pride 6

   21 August 2012 at 11:13 am

   If only we could move away from the system of people HAVING to be ’employed’ to survive. Whilst we have that society will never reach it’s full potential.
   • Draco T Bastard 6.1

     21 August 2012 at 1:48 pm

     +1
7. Carol 7

   21 August 2012 at 11:35 am

   The full speech by Parker is here:

   http://www.labour.org.nz/news/changing-gear-%E2%80%93-a-new-economy-and-fairer-society

   I’m not keen on talk of growing the economy. I like the focus on developing NZ’s manufacturing sector. I also like is thumbs up for Cunliffe’s recent trip to Denmark.

   I like this:

   I want to talk about wage growth because it is implicit in the previous discussion on building a dynamic economy with high value jobs that we intend to lift wages.

   Labour wants to make it clear that we will not only raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour but we stand for a living wage. The UN Declaration of Human Rights gives prominence to freedom of association – the right of workers to join unions and the right of unions to better negotiate their share through collective bargaining. We, together with unions, will ensure workers get their fair share.

   I am a little uncertain about the continued strong focus on exports, and on the ETS with respect to climate change.

   I don’t know enough to comment on monetary policy.
   • Bored 7.1

     21 August 2012 at 12:34 pm

     Parker still believes in growth as an aggregate: he talks of wage growth. The point is that we are not growing and wont.

     Parker also talks about workers getting their fair share: he needs to mean a greater share of the existing available wages, NOT capture of a share of growth in the total aggregate wages base.

     Is there some share available….yes, the CEOs salaries have a large chunk as do the senior corporate management. I would phrase the issue as shared pain (at the top) for shared gain (overall).
8. tc 8

   21 August 2012 at 11:46 am

   What so Parker’s found how to make Neutral sound like a gear change….beware the term ‘step change’ is coming.

   Agree with others….the Mallarfia shaped caucus is not to be trusted.
9. bad12 9

   21 August 2012 at 11:50 am

   Take a point in the debate :Labour, as a differentiation between itself and National ‘a fully employed economy’ is a good starting point,

   What’s needed now of course is the out-lining of such a plan giving some detail of the meat and bones where Labour sees intervention will produce the required jobs,

   I suspect tho that what we will get in the end is some form of ‘the market’ will come to the party rhetoric when it is now more than glaringly obvious that ‘the market’ has more than a vested interest in having a large pool (2-6%) of unemployed and with National opening up the Welfare and Education budgets to ‘the market’ ticket clippers ‘they’ have no need for major industrial or manufacturing investment or expansion as the ‘new’ capitalist enterprise inherent in the growing ‘ticket clipper’ sector need only rented space as the plunder of the welfare system becomes entrenched,

   However, as a point of discourse between the electorate and the Labour Parliamentary team the current message of ‘a fully employed economy’ is way above the previous bit of bene-bashing in the previous speech to Grey Power and Labour deserve the point for the quick change in the rhetoric,

   I will happily say this again and repeat it as oft as necessary, it is not the Benefit system that need reforming, the benefit system does exactly what it was established to do,

   It is the system of economics which DOES NOT provide the employment in the economy to employ all those able to work,

   Provide the employment in that economy where ALL those able to work have employment and the system of benefits requires NO ‘reform’,

   The numbers of those accessing the benefit system are in fact the ‘scorecard’ of any particular Governments economic policies…
   • Draco T Bastard 9.1

     21 August 2012 at 1:52 pm

     it is not the Benefit system that need reforming,

     Well, actually, it does but it shouldn’t become punitive as this government is making it.
     • bad12 9.1.1

       21 August 2012 at 3:06 pm

       OK then, i will bite, what part of the benefit system do you see as needing ‘reform’, how and why???…
       • Draco T Bastard 9.1.1.1

         21 August 2012 at 5:19 pm

         Well, we still have poverty in the country and so it’s obvious that the targeted system that we presently have isn’t working. This could easily be remedied through a Universal Income with some added support for those who need it.

         Present system is far too complex resulting in lots of people missing out on entitlements and some people, with more knowledge, rorting the system. This could be addressed through a Universal Income.

         Present system discourages people from finding their own niche both through the requirement of finding paid work (reinforcing the idea that you need to be hired by someone) and then also the high marginal tax rates when other income starts coming through. This could also be addressed by a Universal Income.
         • bad12 9.1.1.1.1

           21 August 2012 at 5:37 pm

           I can’t disagree with any of that, take form the top and upper middle class that which they do not ‘need’ and bring the bottom level of income up to meet the middle,

           Build enough State Housing to be able to rent to “all-comers” at 25% of household income a home starting with the most in need gets housed first,

           Sounds like the recipe for a fairer society where poverty would effect very few, however, barring the resignation of 90% of the present Parliament not possible as the present economic/political paradigm is hardly conducive to it’s implementation…
10. captain hook 10

    21 August 2012 at 1:00 pm

    National say they are the party of business so where are the jobs?
    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      21 August 2012 at 1:20 pm

      its more profitable not to create jobs, but to export them.
11. Draco T Bastard 11

    21 August 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Our economic pie simply has to grow in order for us to be able to deliver the kind of society where our children and grandchildren want to stay, work, and play, and contribute to our society, not Australia’s.

    Still in the delusional growth meme of capitalism.

    So how do we go about growing the pie?

    It’s about distribution and use of the limited resources we have, not the growing the use of those limited resources beyond sustainable limits.

    Rebuilding our manufacturing sector – no western country can be prosperous without a vibrant and innovative manufacturing and processing sector, pushing towards higher value products.

    Well, at least he got that bit right but…

    Some work at the investor level, others at the enterprise, regional, or the sectoral level.

    …still looking to capitalism to fix capitalism.

    We need to save and Labour proposes to progressively build a Universal KiwiSaver scheme of the type which has so clearly benefited Australia and their workers.

    The only saving that makes any sense is to limit the use of our resources instead these idiots are planning to use them all up so that our great grand children have nothing. Saving money is delusional and is predicated on infinite exponential growth – growth that will destroy the economy.

    Superannuation – if we don’t change the current age of entitlement, future governments will cut the pension, because it will become a choice between young and old.

    Superannuation is only a problem because a few keep taking all the wealth. A Universal Income allows people to ‘retire’ when they feel like it while maintaining fairness if people continue to work and thus have an income.

    But asset inequality is increasing.

    Exactly as planned and it’s this plan that this governments selling off of our infrastructure is perpetuating.

    Overseas ownership will not increase NZ’s output, but will reduce social mobility and stop sharemilkers from graduating to being farm owners.

    Last time I looked, we still don’t have infinite amounts of land. As a society it’s time to can the farming except that which provides for us.

    I have outlined the important blocks for rebuilding a dynamic, outward focused economy, delivering a fairer more prosperous society.

    No he hasn’t, he’s outlined more of the same.
12. the pink postman 12

    21 August 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Mike I enjoy your reports .but how the hell do we get them out to the general public where its needed? Im an active member and office holder but its only through people like you that I recieve such news. Admittedly my branch is a small country town one but we have voters here too. There is no chance of the media giving out such information ,so how?
13. Carol 13

    21 August 2012 at 3:00 pm

    And today there’s a joint announcement from David Shearer & David Cunliffe criticising National’s lack of innovation – it’s part of Cunliffe’s attack on National being all gloss and no substance.

    http://www.labour.org.nz/news/innovation-report-desperately-needs-new-ideas

    David Shearer says the Government is rolling out a new business growth report each week but they are merely buffed-up pamphlets of old announcements.
    …
    David Cunliffe says innovation in both the public and private sector is struggling under National.

    “National has set a low target but they won’t even meet that with the recycled announcements in this report. To have no original ideas in an innovation report is staggering. The Patents Office would turn down every concept in the report – there’s nothing new here.

    “The only useful idea is a small advanced economies group. But our low target makes an even bigger mockery of joining that club than Gerry Brownlee’s insults to Finland.

    “Innovation has floundered under National. With science and innovation officials joining their third ministry in three years and always wondering who their new boss is, it’s no surprise.

    David Shearer and David Cunliffe say: “The choice is clear. Labour’s vision is of a clean, clever and modern economy.

    “National want us to remain a low-wage farming economy with our brightest minds working in innovative countries.

    Mending fences?
    • bad12 13.1

      21 August 2012 at 3:32 pm

      A bit of a double intendre there in the last 3 lines???,depends of course if you choose to believe the Garner beat up about the ‘lazy’ Cunliffe, i don’t,

      Although i gave Labour a point above for changing the discourse to where it should be, economic reform other than benefit reform i fear that what we have brewing within the Labour Party is another bout of Roger(spit)nomics right down to the initial devaluation to really put the peasants in their places,

      The question that has to be asked here of Labour, considering that Cunliffe is giving National a deserved slapping for not having a clue as far as anything new goes is that how long does it take for this ‘smarter economy’ to deliver,

      ‘Smarter’ is just another word for ‘knowledge’ and we had plenty of years waiting for the ‘knowledge economy’ to deliver and what we got was nothing except the dairy and housing booms,

      What needs addressing and i doubt Labour has the will to do so considering how far right that organization has allowed itself to drift are such assumptions as ”The Government has no business being in business”,

      The Chinese Government has ‘proved” beyond a doubt that Governments do have a roll in business on all levels of economy right down to the ownership of the factories that could conceivably be opened in the far North creating such goods as the humble tee-shirt and providing sufficient employment so as to bolster that areas local economy,

      The fact that one of the Dave’s is off to the US to gain some (new) ideas of economy should alarm us all as nothing good for this country has ever emerged from that one…
      • Olwyn 13.1.1

        21 August 2012 at 3:56 pm

        Which Dave is off to the US?

        I took note of your point in your earlier post that “…with National opening up the Welfare and Education budgets to ‘the market’ ticket clippers ‘they’ have no need for major industrial or manufacturing investment or expansion..” That is a reason why I am still not over Labour choosing a “face” rather than a leader. The people who are now winning are happier to be rich than productive, on a mixture of management jobs, property, ticket clipping and the like. They are not up for embarking on risky productive enterprises. Tackling that problem requires courage, conviction and aptly directed cunning, along with intelligence and imagination, not window dressing.
        • bad12 13.1.1.1

          21 August 2012 at 4:12 pm

          The Dave off to the US??? Parker,although i havn’t got the details of the when or of more import, who that particular Dave is off to get an education off of,

          Yeah i agree with your point also, and,unfortunately as i have said befor i see the ‘modern’ Labour Party as being one that is of,for,and, by the middle class hardly representing anything which i could vote ‘for’,

          Consolation is to be found tho in the MMP system where my vote may count elsewhere in helping to hopefully install a left ‘thinking’ Government…
      • Populuxe1 13.1.2

        21 August 2012 at 5:25 pm

        It’s been obvious govt has a role to play in business since Japan set up the MITI and rapidly became one of the richest countries in the world for several decades.
        • Colonial Viper 13.1.2.1

          22 August 2012 at 9:39 am

          Not to mention the reforms of Deng Xiao Peng and party involvement in the Chinese economy…
    • Tracey 13.2

      22 August 2012 at 9:31 am

      Agreed.

      I also agree that we have to get away from this ridiculous narrow focused idea that the only way for this nation to thrive and people to achieve living wages is through oil and mining.

      We are not a vast red desert.

      For that I am pleased.

      We need innovation and innovators. The Govt yesterday called on businesses to double their R & D yet they removed the R & D incentive Labour brought in. And everyone says Labour is anti business. Pah.

      We have to box clever. We procude more than just sports achievers punching above their weight, we are rich in thinkers, scientists, educators, artists, photographers and so on.

      Was at an 18th birthday party on the weekend. Of the 7 people in the room at university, all were doing law and/or commerce. All of them. Isn’t that great news!?!
      • Colonial Viper 13.2.1

        22 August 2012 at 9:40 am

        Was at an 18th birthday party on the weekend. Of the 7 people in the room at university, all were doing law and/or commerce. All of them. Isn’t that great news!?!

        They’re going to be in for a rude surprise, unfortunately. Give me an apprentice diesel mechanic or sparky any day.
        • Tracey 13.2.1.1

          22 August 2012 at 10:12 am

          I agree. It’s scary though that they all are from upper middle class families, bright, and they are already chasing the money. BUT people change. They may yet learn that following your passion is far more satisfying than following the money. It’s a comment on focus though.
14. starlight 14

    21 August 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Whether or not nact like it nz is one step away from recession,like the 1930’s
    we should be looking at building warm houses,keeping and entrenching our
    rail system,looking at solar power as a way into the future,the days of hydro
    power will become a thing of the past,if all of the above are a top priority
    then there will be jobs for the younger generation to learn and find a trade
    that suits them.
    To get rid of workers out of crucial govt departments then hire ceo’s at
    a substantial cost to the tax payers is incredulous.
    The nact govt continue to attack those who can least afford such a loss
    of dignity and financial wellbeing.
    I sincerely hope labour can find its way back to the core and the reason
    why the labour party exsists,history books could enlighten those mp’s
    who are confused as to the labour philosophy.
    Good to see cunliffe in parliament today being able to stand up and speak.
    When are politicians going to take a pay-cut in the tough economic times ?
    • bad12 14.1

      21 August 2012 at 4:59 pm

      I could flesh that out into some actual basic form of economy,

      *Provide State Housing at low rental,(Auckland alone is short 11,000 homes),via a ‘new’ Ministry of Works tasked with building the houses needed and training the workers at the same time,

      *Print the monies needed to build the homes,suburbs.schools,parks,shops etc, by doing such the required homes are produced, the value of the New Zealand dollar gradually reduces thus giving both our exporters and those who manufacture for New Zealand consumption a small advantage and negating a need to devalue that dollar by other means creating harsh internal inflation,

      *Put the required funds into the research and development necessary to develop a standard New Zealand solar powered system to fit all New Zealand homes and able to direct excess energy into the national grid,

      *Build as an SOE the capability to manufacture such standardized solar power generation and look for export opportunities

      Seems relatively simple on paper, perhaps those we borrow off have as an agreement that we remain as a client slave economy to them as they tax our exports and send such taxation back to us as debt…
15. starlight 15

    21 August 2012 at 6:33 pm

    There was nearly $1billion profit made by anz national bank, this profit will end up in
    australia,there is $20 billion profit going off-shore every year,overseas companies
    should be made to pay a tax on that profit, a cgt would harness this if it was bought
    in,that would be an economic windfall for nz which would allow infrastructure
    spending on what matters to nz’ers.
    • Colonial Viper 15.1

      22 August 2012 at 9:43 am

      There was nearly $1billion profit made by anz national bank

      Not quite. The figure you saw was for 9 months operating. ANZ’s full year profit will be clear over $1B…sucked out of the pockets of NZ workers and businesses, back to Australia.
16. Carol 16

    22 August 2012 at 8:09 am

    I see that TV3 is using content from the joint David Shearer/David Cunliffe press release on National’s “Inoovation” plan, but has expunged Cunliffe and presents it as all Shearer’s comments:

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Opposition-slams-innovation-report/tabid/1607/articleID/266293/Default.aspx

    Labour says it’s a “buffed up pamphlet of old announcements” and is even weaker than last week’s economic growth report.

    “National’s ultimate goal is to see New Zealand business innovation at just one percent of GDP,” leader David Shearer says.

    “Other small countries have innovation rates three times that target – we need to set our sights higher.”

    The Green Party says the innovation report ignores the “critical role” of clean technology.

    “National has gone from promising a `brighter future’ to producing brighter booklets,” co-leader Russel Norman says.

    “Four years in office and the Government is failing to lead the innovation step change the economy needs.”

    Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Opposition-slams-innovation-report/tabid/1607/articleID/266293/Default.aspx#ixzz24DHUcOP9
17. Michael 17

    22 August 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Until Labour commits to overhauling the machinery of government (aka the executive branch, the bureaucracy) from its New Right settings, all its words are worthless. For a start, the State Sector Act 1988 (a prime Rogernomics creation) must be repealed, so the public service actually serves the people, rather than itself. ACC must be replaced with a state welfare agency (no need for a board of troughers), while WINZ must be returned to its pre-2007 iteration. The Department of Labour (responsible for such stunning successes as OSH, NZ Immigration Service, and Mine Safety) must be purged of all Treasury rejects (or B-grade clones). Only then, can people have confidence that a Labour government might actually achieve a few steps towards social justice. I see no evidence, whatsoever, that the current Labour caucus has any intentions along these lines.
18. xtasy 18

    22 August 2012 at 9:47 pm

    Sadly I have come to the sad conclusion (which is nothing “new” really), that most NZers will not be “moved” by common sense, logic and appeals for a better society, economy and so forth.

    Key sadly proves, you have to appeal to the lower instincts, the gut feeling, the emotions and re-invoke some pseudo “common”, even “national” union, goal and so forth, to get things changing.

    Most voters cannot even understand logical economics, they cannot even grasp what the real global situation is like, they do not even want to know much, they want “Leadership” and “inspiration”, simply a “feel good” movement. So Labour will be stuck with that challenge in not being able to deliver. Media misreports and misleads as usual. I just had another experince yesterday, with some dumbo new journo thinking she knows what is facts, but falling for trivial, sideline info and “upping” an article with nonsensical crap, thus influencing readers that they are supposedly fed “the truth”.

    Idiots abound, sadly, and that needs to be addressed. Shearer will not be up to the game, but Cunliffe or another may be.

    Get out of the clean suit and start the “movement”, to get people “excited” about something, like a “common cause”, about being “NZ” or whatever, it is not happening, hence we have two fronts at loggerheads and not much moving.

    I really hate having to state this, but I find more and more, intelligence, knowledge, common sense and the truth do NOT matter for the wider public, hence Key has been getting so too much political “sex appeal” and getting away with all kinds of shit.
19. Kevin Broughan 19

    23 August 2012 at 2:01 pm

    There are many excellent ideas in this speech. Take government purchasing for example. We regularly spend millions on overseas consultants, buy trains and rolling stock, software for education payrolls and many other examples of IT, from overseas, worsening the balance of payments, but more importantly, reducing cash flow for NZ based companies and employment opportunities for our people.

    Kiwis are smart. We have lots of bright students graduating from our universities and polys who find interesting work hard to find. We might not always be able to compete on price and size with overseas concerns, but given a little time and opportunity, we will do better than the overseas provider. And what is important, we will continue to be around to adapt the work to new circumstances. Smaller companies will become large enough to contest in the tradeable sector, so our balance of payments improves two ways.

    Intelligent government purchasing, given a desire to buttress NZ’s long term competitive advantages and employment opportunities, and not just hook up with the cheapest provider from no matter where, is just one of the good ideas in this speech.

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