Comments on: Goff at DL – a socialist review

By: Clint Heine

Clint Heine — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:03:51 +0000

Err, you can only call Cuba and North Korea command economies. Every other one is capitalist.

Goff is of course right, I hope he fully embraces his past!

By: Lew

Lew — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:20:05 +0000

Perhaps you need to read more Trotter, comrade.

By: QoT

QoT — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:36:46 +0000

I queued up the USSR national anthem on Winamp just for your comment, Lew.

By: TF

TF — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:17:04 +0000

Ok Felix sorry I agree
Norman spends the best part his time cuddling up to the Nats
and Goff spend the best part of his time being a racist

By: sk

sk — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:15:05 +0000

Goff is clearly wooden compared to JK, and struggles to connect after years in gov’t, but there is an issue here that needs to be debated. Lew may scoff about the neo-tribal elite, but it is clear that the Maori Party has tacked very closely to the interests of Ngai Tahu and Stephen O’Regan. If you live in the South Island, it is clear that Ngai Tahu is Pakeha-ised, and will trample on any group that does not acknowledge them, such as Waitaha. They are no different about to any Corporate. There is nothing that is waahi tapu. The deal conquers all.

This is the interests with which the MP are now clearly aligned, and to attack them is completely appropriate.

This is an issue here that has nothing to do with racism or dog whistles. And Goff is right to raise it, even if the initial key is off. The MP coalition with National is risking the UMNO-isation of Maori politics, and that is something we should all be alarmed about – whether Maori or Pakeha.

By: sk

sk — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:07:34 +0000

Lew, WTF?

By: Lew

Lew — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:45:21 +0000

QoT,

The maaries, with their korowais and their tikis and their neo-tribal elite suits and their gangsta bling …

… and the homos with their metrosexual hairdos and their glitter and their ABBA cellphone ring-tones and their “oh my GAAAWD, and then he was like, y’know, like, totally” …

… and the wimmins, well, we all know how they can’t wear anything without running it past their uptight feminists dyke support groups …

THESE are the enemies of the SOCIALIST FUTURE which awaits our great Fatherland, and if workers only stopped tolerating their dedication to FASHION then we’d only have to reach out and grasp it.*

* It’s better if you can imagine the stirring music and images of happy white, male, hetero peasants in the fields and factories.

By: QoT

QoT — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:00:33 +0000

I’m sure categorising one’s opponents in general as ‘just trying to be cool and fashionable’ will be a total vote-winner in 2011.

By: felix

felix — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:48:54 +0000

Thanks, TF, that was both informative and well written.

By: TF

TF — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:12:55 +0000

Not putting a too finer point on it felix
that is bollocks

By: felix

felix — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:14:15 +0000

Actually Norman cops flak because he’s spent the best part of this parliamentary term cuddling up to the Nats in direct conflict with the wishes of the vast majority of his party’s members.

And hasn’t it worked out well for him, btw…

By: BLiP

BLiP — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:43:40 +0000

By: TF

TF — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:30:07 +0000

They do the same with Russel Norman
It’s the “Judean peoples front” syndrome

By: Herodotus

Herodotus — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:11:49 +0000

From the late London Bar, I was taken back by Phils comments regarding what NZ had achieved in the 9 years above average growth within the OCED, Yet we fell further behind in our ranking. Comments like this and his we got some things wrong. from reading his speach it was we were poor in our delivery of the message NOT what we did. Does not resinate within the electrate. As I and many others have made comment Labour has lost its connection with it roots, and from reading many inuts and articles from this and re dAlert sites (Which from the dramatic drop of of volume within RA) all there appears to me is some people with the forrwest/tree issue to deal with. Then get those within Lab to re read their history and examine the core values.

By: Quoth the Raven

Quoth the Raven — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:59:58 +0000

I would like to know what point your trying to make re Cuba can you explain?
After the soviet union’s collapse things went belly up pretty fast for Cuba’s planned economy and they rightly made some market reforms which appear to have helped. But ultimately I think Cuba’s a poor example for an argument either way because of the trade embargo (which that sicko in power in the US has retained) distorts matters.
I think the what were war economies in the 30s and 40s aren’t that good of an example either although “war is the health of the state.”