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	<title>Comments on: Goff: Scrap the 2025 Taskforce</title>
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		<title>By: Lanthanide</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176623</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanthanide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given Tim&#039;s lack of reply, I&#039;m assuming he really doesn&#039;t have a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given Tim&#8217;s lack of reply, I&#8217;m assuming he really doesn&#8217;t have a point.</p>
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		<title>By: randal</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176586</link>
		<dc:creator>randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well 2025 is a nice figure and sufficiently far into the future to deny any ability to say what wil happen. If I were brash I would be worried about 2011 when the tories will be kicked out and then proper planning can take place. Ummmmmmm planning. What the heck is national doing planning anyway. They are the dog eat dog party and if you are a loser what do they care. Oh thats right. maybe by 2025 Muldoons 410,000 jobs will have come to pass. the brt and Hooton will be larfing their tits off over this one. 2025 indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well 2025 is a nice figure and sufficiently far into the future to deny any ability to say what wil happen. If I were brash I would be worried about 2011 when the tories will be kicked out and then proper planning can take place. Ummmmmmm planning. What the heck is national doing planning anyway. They are the dog eat dog party and if you are a loser what do they care. Oh thats right. maybe by 2025 Muldoons 410,000 jobs will have come to pass. the brt and Hooton will be larfing their tits off over this one. 2025 indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Quoth the Raven</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176562</link>
		<dc:creator>Quoth the Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think he is right, that if the basic idea (which has been around for ages in various forms and has a very respectable intellectual history&lt;/i&gt;

Like that boogeyman of the left Milton Freidman :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think he is right, that if the basic idea (which has been around for ages in various forms and has a very respectable intellectual history</i></p>
<p>Like that boogeyman of the left Milton Freidman <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clarke</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176506</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is probably true .... which rather sums up John Key&#039;s two-step approach to coalition building:

Step 1: Write cheque for dumb-ass and irrelevant policy debates as a means of purchasing support
Step 2: Say you&#039;re &quot;relaxed&quot; about the outcome whilst refusing to implement any recommendations as they&#039;re so politically toxic.

The Maori Party should bear this in mind before they get too excited about the Seabed and Foreshore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably true &#8230;. which rather sums up John Key&#8217;s two-step approach to coalition building:</p>
<p>Step 1: Write cheque for dumb-ass and irrelevant policy debates as a means of purchasing support<br />
Step 2: Say you&#8217;re &#8220;relaxed&#8221; about the outcome whilst refusing to implement any recommendations as they&#8217;re so politically toxic.</p>
<p>The Maori Party should bear this in mind before they get too excited about the Seabed and Foreshore.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Glen Eden</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176481</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Glen Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To true so Bored what else are they (Hone Carter and friends) slipping through when they think no one is looking. All in the pretense of just helping a constituent.

 Slimmy bastard Its called corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To true so Bored what else are they (Hone Carter and friends) slipping through when they think no one is looking. All in the pretense of just helping a constituent.</p>
<p> Slimmy bastard Its called corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: Unholy Alliance</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176478</link>
		<dc:creator>Unholy Alliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number of people shocked by the Brash report should walk with their funds. One reason Morgan can say what he does because he does fear a backlash had he put his name on a tax report as bad as the taskforce report. Brash has lived on the government teet too long, shift your kiwisaver now. If he invests anything like he thinks its a good decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of people shocked by the Brash report should walk with their funds. One reason Morgan can say what he does because he does fear a backlash had he put his name on a tax report as bad as the taskforce report. Brash has lived on the government teet too long, shift your kiwisaver now. If he invests anything like he thinks its a good decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176476</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nick

Does it have to suck so hard, as part of the Agreement?

Sounds like that other bit in the agreement where the Nats give Act money to do general research beyond their portfolios or duties as MPs. Normally parties have to pay for that sort of thing themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nick</p>
<p>Does it have to suck so hard, as part of the Agreement?</p>
<p>Sounds like that other bit in the agreement where the Nats give Act money to do general research beyond their portfolios or duties as MPs. Normally parties have to pay for that sort of thing themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bored</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole Brash thing has my shit radars on red alert. Consider that certain interest groups explicitly and with indecent haste forced Brash into the role of leader of the National Party. He represented their interests and policies...and was electorally a disaster. Having paid their dues for a disaster the same interested parties (I suspect) placed the more electable Mr (Convivial) Key into the role of leader of their interests...who promptly puts Donny into his current role. Its a bit like a God Father movie, you know that there will be a pay off, the question is how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole Brash thing has my shit radars on red alert. Consider that certain interest groups explicitly and with indecent haste forced Brash into the role of leader of the National Party. He represented their interests and policies&#8230;and was electorally a disaster. Having paid their dues for a disaster the same interested parties (I suspect) placed the more electable Mr (Convivial) Key into the role of leader of their interests&#8230;who promptly puts Donny into his current role. Its a bit like a God Father movie, you know that there will be a pay off, the question is how?</p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176446</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good.  

I really admire Goff&#039;s dedication and his commitment and his sincerity.  I have hoped that he would shine as a leader although he does not have a big ego and is more of a quiet achiever than someone who stands out.

He is starting to work out what is required of a leader.  

When he speaks he has to have a simple message that offers an alternative to the NACT Crosby Textor designed line.

He delivered it here.  May he and his speech writers have many more days like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good.  </p>
<p>I really admire Goff&#8217;s dedication and his commitment and his sincerity.  I have hoped that he would shine as a leader although he does not have a big ego and is more of a quiet achiever than someone who stands out.</p>
<p>He is starting to work out what is required of a leader.  </p>
<p>When he speaks he has to have a simple message that offers an alternative to the NACT Crosby Textor designed line.</p>
<p>He delivered it here.  May he and his speech writers have many more days like this.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176445</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s probably for the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s probably for the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick C</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176443</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason Key wont drop the task force is that it&#039;s a part of National and Act&#039;s C&amp;S agreement. They would risk loosing the confidence of Act if they did so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Key wont drop the task force is that it&#8217;s a part of National and Act&#8217;s C&amp;S agreement. They would risk loosing the confidence of Act if they did so.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176442</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly, I&#039;ve repressed it already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly, I&#8217;ve repressed it already.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176440</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I actually thought there was syllogism leading to a conclusion â€˜ii)&#039;, but when I thought about it enough to type it, the premisses contradicted each other in an unresolvable fashion.&lt;/i&gt;

Then that&#039;s probably Tim&#039;s one, don&#039;tchareckon? ;)

Or maybe they&#039;re only paying him for one thought per week now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I actually thought there was syllogism leading to a conclusion â€˜ii)&#8217;, but when I thought about it enough to type it, the premisses contradicted each other in an unresolvable fashion.</i></p>
<p>Then that&#8217;s probably Tim&#8217;s one, don&#8217;tchareckon? <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Or maybe they&#8217;re only paying him for one thought per week now.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176439</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goff&#039;s right on this. Brash should either be replaced or the commission scrapped. With him there it&#039;s only concievable purpose is political lobbying for the ACT party. Rodney wouldn&#039;t like that, he said so in his heartfelt apology that taxpayers monies must be carefully accounted for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goff&#8217;s right on this. Brash should either be replaced or the commission scrapped. With him there it&#8217;s only concievable purpose is political lobbying for the ACT party. Rodney wouldn&#8217;t like that, he said so in his heartfelt apology that taxpayers monies must be carefully accounted for.</p>
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		<title>By: IrishBill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/goff-scrap-the-2025-taskforce/comment-page-1/#comment-176438</link>
		<dc:creator>IrishBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a nice guy but he likes attention and has a bit of difficulty working as part of a team. And to be fair he was Key&#039;s &quot;celebrity economist&quot; pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a nice guy but he likes attention and has a bit of difficulty working as part of a team. And to be fair he was Key&#8217;s &#8220;celebrity economist&#8221; pick.</p>
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