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Written By: - Date published: 7:13 am, June 19th, 2012 - 104 comments
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The Greens have hired the equivalent of 8 full-time staff for two months to get their signature collecting as part of the Keep Our Assets Coalition rolling. It comes out of the fixed budget allocated to the party’s leaders’ office – not one additional cent from the taxpayer, just a choice: other parties spend millions of taxpayer money on polling*. It’s a good use of our money.

After all, National is spending $120m of our money on the middlemen for the sales process – bankers, advertising firms etc. And they’re looking at giving a $400m bonus to the few people who will end up being shareholders. That’s half a billion splurged just on selling assets that we don’t want to sell. The Greens are spending 0.015% of that amount on a counter-campaign and entirely within the rules because they’re not asking for votes, money, or membership.

It looks like the use of a professional core is really helping with the signature collections. The Greens have collected an amazing 20,000 signatures in the past week and now have 41,600. Just on Thursday, they were at 30,000. Of course, the Coalition would have gotten the signatures eventually anyway – only an idiot would claim that paid collectors have somehow unfairly created support for this cause – but the small professional team surrounded by thousands of volunteers, who can only commit limited time, appears to have really sped things up.

The rumour is that National is planning a million dollar ‘information campaign’ on the asset sales, using public money, to coincide with the coming referendum. They can’t spend the money directly on the referendum, so they’ll do an end run around the law. That won’t stop them throwing stones at the Greens, though.

*When David Farrar writes his inevitable piece whinging about the Greens’ legal use of their money, I hope he will reveal how much he has been paid in public money for polling services.

104 comments on “Good on the Greens”

  1. Tom Gould 1

    Interesting to know how much of the vast amount of ‘information’ gathered at taxpayers expense by the ‘advisors’ to government on the asset sales has made its way into Ministers’ offices, and into their spin in the media and the House? Giant $120m pot calling a tiny $76k kettle black? Moreover, some transparency around what their contracted PR advisors are up to would be useful?

  2. It’s a good use of our money.

    I question that. I think the Greens could put that money to much better use. This is most likely a futile campaign, with a referendum far from guaranteed, if it happens it’s not binding, and it will be too late to stop MOM progressing – there will debate on MOM in parliament today, it’s at the second reading state.

    • Zetetic 2.1

      Yeah, well it’s hardly surprising that you are saying that it isn’t a good use of money. But who gives a fuck? It’s like me saying that the whole united future leaders budget is a waste of money, especially as most of it goes on combs. When your hair god starts listening to his constituents, then you’ll have some credibility.

      • Pete George 2.1.1

        Yeah, well it’s hardly surprising that all you do is attack and divert.

        Here’s proof that he has listened, and acted, and succeeded:
        http://yournz.org/2012/06/18/mixed-ownership-model-bill-51-ownership-amendments/

        • mickysavage 2.1.1.1

          Woo hoo we are saved.  NZ Inc will retain control of our power company shares and they will not be sold to the rich and overseas interests who will appoint directors that will insist on hiking price rises so their wealthy shareholders become even more wealthy.

          And we can use the money to pay off debt and invest in projects that are bound to return more than the 18% the power companies generate.

          Oh, wait, I just read Petey’s blog …

          The Nats and the follicled one are fixing up a loophole that they no doubt put in deliberately.  They are making an appalling bill not quite as bad.

          Petey engaging in a bit of “gocha” politics too … 

          • Pete George 2.1.1.1.1

            I could come out strongly in support of David Shearer and you’d still find something quibble about. Did you get my email?

            • quartz 2.1.1.1.1.1

              You will come out strongly in favour of David Shearer. When your mate Dunne realises Labour’s got the government benches and he needs to suck up to team-red to keep his baubles. I look forward to seeing you change tack and to it being futile.

              • That was a touch of sarcasm directed at MS who seems reluctant to back his own party (and tries a hypocritical gotcha on gotcha) – I’ve been one of Shearer’s strongest supporters here for months, in a very sparse field of support for him.

            • mickysavage 2.1.1.1.1.2

              Did you get my email?

              Aye Pete

              Still mulling over it. I thought I would consider your comments in the area of superannuation. I am never opposed to a proper debate.

              But your comments on MOM deserved a bit of a serve. This is not a wonderous backdown that makes things right. This is National taking a step back because it can see how enraged the population is becoming with asset sales.

              • This is National taking a step back because it can see how enraged the population is becoming with asset sales.

                Yes, that’s probably right – but because UF took them to task on it.

                • John M

                  Glad to see you finally agree that the population is becoming enraged with the asset sales. Does this mean we can now look forward to UF continuing to ‘take them to task’ by either voting the legislation down (or at least forcing a halt to sales until the result of the referendum is known)?

                  • deuto

                    In light of this recent (9am) article on Stuff, any backdown by Dunne the Hair seems highly improbable.

                    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7127734/Dunne-slams-asset-sales-amendment-push

                    United Future leader Peter Dunne is refusing to back a Greens’ amendment to keep partially sold state-owned assets open to public scrutiny, saying the party is being “mischievous”.

                    The Government’s legislation to enable the sale of up to 49 per cent of Mighty River Power, Genesis, Solid Energy and Meridian returns to Parliament today for a clause by clause debate.

                    State-owned assets are open to public scrutiny through the Official Information Act and the Ombudsman Act but under the Mixed Ownership Model Bill the partially sold enterprises would no longer be subject to those laws for commercial reasons which also exclude public companies.

                    Greens co-leader Russel Norman will put up an amendment to keep the state-owned assets subject such scrutiny.

                    However Dunne, who holds one of two crucial support votes for the Government, said today he wouldn’t be supporting the amendment.

                    “I’m not interested in supporting anything the Greens are putting forward on this.”

                    Dunne said he didn’t agree with the Greens’ opposition to asset sales.

                    “I think what they are being is mischievous. They are entitled to be but I’m certainly not support it. I don’t care what they are trying to do, my position is clear and I’m not budging from it.”

                    Norman said Dunne was being “incredibly unreasonable”.

                    “It’s not a very common sense position to oppose something solely on where it comes from rather than whether it is a good idea or not.”

                    Perhaps, Pete George would like to explain in view of his comments above that Dunne was holding National to account.

                    • @PeterDunneMP has just tweeted on this:

                      @NZStuffPolitics If the Greens expected their amendment to be taken seriously, they would have circulated it at least 24 hours in advance…

                      … and not via the news media on the morning of the debate

                      I think that’s a fair call.

                      Greens seem to work very well together within their party, but don’t seem to have figured out how to work inter-party yet.

                    • John M

                      You say Dunne’s made a “fair call”. Are you saying then, Pete, if the Greens had given Dunne 24 hours notice perhaps he would’ve supported the amendment? You and Dunne are becoming more and more unprincipled by the second. Next you’ll be blaming the Greens for the selling off of our assets because they didn’t give Dunne 24 hours notice of their amendment.

                      All of this is now getting beyond funny. If these are the responses Peter Dunne gives to legitimate concerns properly raised within our our democratic law-making process then all respect I had for him for acting as a moderating force on Key et al’s nasty agenda has gone and believe he now deserves nothing but complete and utter disdain for such nasty and unreasonable behaviour. He’s acting like a child in the playground.The sooner he is out of parliament the better

                      Another reason why we must now treat Dunne and Key et al with disdain is that’s it’s now clear the “partial” sales are not partial at all and the real agenda (that deep down we’ve known all along) is eventual total asset sales. Russel Norman’s amendment, far from being radical, merely ensures the assets Key and Dunne maintain the State will always keep a majority shareholding of are subject to the Official Information and Ombudsmen Acts. If these ‘sales’ will always only ever be “partial”, what’s the problem? Clearly the agenda is to eventually sell the lot off.

                      It is now time for the opposition parties to announce that if elected at the next election all shares in assets sold will be subject to a forced government re-buy and at the price this government sold them for, or better still, for less. Make it clear that this will be the policy so that all potential buyers will run a mile. Dunne and Key’s behaviour has now made this a necessary move.

                    • Would the Greens make a policy decision foisted on them via the media on the morning of the debate? Would they seriously expect any other party to? Get real.

                      If they were serious about getting support for an amendment they would have talked to other parties weeks ago.

                      Greens never intended it as anything but a media stunt, and Dunne called them on it.

                    • it’s now clear the “partial” sales are not partial at all and the real agenda (that deep down we’ve known all along) is eventual total asset sales.

                      That’s total bullshit dishonest scaremongering (and I’ve heard Russel Norman suggest that too).

                      Today it will be guaranteed that crown ownership is a minimum of 51%. That will only change if a future government gets sufficient support to change it – you know, how democracy works.

                    • Dr Terry

                      Pete, whatever the outcome, this will not be “a futile campaign”. There are many people ready and willing to stand up and be counted here, they might fail in the objective, but they will always maintain their integrity. Does that not matter to you? Good for the Greens, what a marvellous initiative!

                      I have no doubt that you will always need to have the last word, however.

                    • Jim in Tokyo

                      I’ve read an awful pile of brain searingly hypocritical and mealy mouthed pap from Dunne and his malfunctioning mouthpiece Pete George recently, but this has to be an all time low for the crusaders for ‘common sense’.

                      Do not forget that the sense of manufactured crisis around this is due entirely to National and UF’s decision to ram MOM through, having spat in the face of the politically engaged public by curtailing the select committee process by six weeks.

                      If Dunne had one last honest bone in his body he should have made his support conditional on adherence to democratic parliamentary process. For Dunne to ‘slam’ the Greens for catching him off guard with this amendment when the select committee wasn’t even due to report back until July 16 is hypocrisy of the highest order.

                    • McFlock

                      Today it will be guaranteed that crown ownership is a minimum of 51%. That will only change if a future government gets sufficient support to change it – you know, how democracy works.

                      49.5% being “sufficient support” – as long as you have one or two rotten boroughs to help ram it through.

                • bbfloyd

                  “because UF took them to task on it” …. now your just being an idiot little pete….. no-one with an iq above 70 is going to do more than either laugh at your ridiculous claims, or laugh at you personally for exposing yourself as a delusional attention seeker….

                  Either way, you are wasting space, and clogging up what could have been a useful, and informative discussion with self serving, ego stroking drivel….

                  I find it incredible that there are any left here who would waste time trying to have an intelligent, sincere debate with you….The party political agenda, which is so obviously your only reason to be here is getting rather tedious….

      • Yeah? I was a number of electorate committee meetings over the last term and not one person turned up and expressed concern about asset sales. Then all of a sudden there are dickheads rubbing themselves over the national war memorial in “protest”.

    • If futile means “showing this bunch to be totally doctrinaire and utterly irresponsible while failing to make them act sensibly” then I guess it is futile.

      A referendum is damn likely.  Relying on kiwis giving up because it is a fait accompli is a risky strategy.

      Agreed the referendum is not binding but so what?  It will just confirm how undemocratic this administration is, coiffured one included.

      So Petey do you have any qualms about MOM being smashed through under urgency?  Doncha think some more time and care should be allowed?

      • higherstandard 2.2.1

        When was the last time a NZ government took action in relation to a citizens initiated referendum ?

        • mickysavage 2.2.1.1

          Labour improved working conditions of firefighters considerably although the referendum occurred during the term of a National Government.
           
          Labour also tightened up bail laws and sentencing laws in response to the anti crime referendum although the red meat brigade did not notice a thing.

    • yeshe 2.3

      I, I, I, I ….. Pete .. check out other peoples’ posts for a while … not sure anyone uses ‘I’ quite as much you and it is boring, boring, boring. Please, just try writing with no ‘I’ and you might become easier to read especially when so many posts seem to become Pete George personal monopolies.

      Sorry, but it’s been too long coming …

      • bbfloyd 2.3.1

        Get used to it yeshe… Little pete isn;t going to stop blowing his own horn any time soon…..That tends to be the way with pathological obsessions like his…..

    • Dr Terry 2.4

      Pete, whatever the outcome, this will not be “a futile campaign”. There are many people ready and willing to stand up and be counted here, they might fail in the objective, but they will always maintain their integrity. Does that not matter to you? Good for the Greens, what a marvellous initiative!

      • Pete George 2.4.1

        I campaigned in the last election for better ways of allowing the people to stand up and be counted, I support that.

        But our petition/referendum system is deliberately flawed so that it is far too slow and ineffective.

        I’d rather see more effort put into coming up with a better, more responsive system for parliament/people interaction. If we can achieve something there we’ll be much better off in the medium term.

        • John M 2.4.1.1

          “But our petition/referendum system is deliberately flawed so that it is far too slow and ineffective.”

          Is this why you don’t support even arguing for holding off on the sales until the result of the referendum (as a compromise to Dunne pulling the pin on the legislation)? This is up there with Dunne rejecting Norman’s amendment because he wasn’t told about it in advance followed by you “fair call” analysis”, just wholesale rejection of something without any consideration of the merits. And you never did answer the question about what was so wrong with doing this: that there was nothing to lose by holding off because you could go ahead anyway if the referendum didn’t get the numbers; and everything to gain because with enough support against the sales government would be listening to what the people wanted. But no, you went back to hark on about whether Dunne said this, Dunne said that circular d8iscussion we’d finished months ago. Someone should alert Tom Scott to what you and Dunne are doing with this issue. He’d have material for months just on what’s transpired today.

          • Pete George 2.4.1.1.1

            Is this why you don’t support even arguing for holding off on the sales until the result of the referendum

            We don’t even know if there will be any referendum. It would be ridiculous to set as precedent of holding off any legislation pending the possibility of a referendum.

            Apart from making a nionsense of our democratic process it would encourage even more abuse of CIR as a means of massive filibustering.

            If we had a Labour/Green led government do you think they would put CGT legislation on hold for a couple of years to wait for the possibility there could be a referendum that could indicate majority opposition that they could ignore anyway?

            Do you think any government legislation should be put on hold if a referendum is promoted as a possibility by opposition parties?

            • Reality Bytes 2.4.1.1.1.1

              “Apart from making a nionsense of our democratic process it would encourage even more abuse of CIR as a means of massive filibustering.”

              Hi Pete,
              I was under the impression that Dunne is actually an MP, and as such he is entitled to choose to take a position on an issue in a way that he sees appropriate. If he chooses to take such a position and the government cannot find the numbers to avoid such action, then that’s their problem for failing to have the numbers and being in the minority.

    • John M 2.5

      Your position on the referendum and Dunne’s response to Norman’s amendment has lost UF the modicum of respect it may have had in the few disciples you thought you may have had left. If I were heading the anti-asset sales campaign I’d take UF’s position as a sign the gloves must come off. You and Dunne are even more despicable than Key, if that’s at all possible, because none of you are prepared to listen to what people want. For that you deserve nothing but vitriol and disdain.

      • Pete George 2.5.1

        John, your abusive approach doesn’t earn your own campaign any respect, in fact the reverse.

        Politics involves working with others, not haranguing them into doing what you want. You seem to not understand that it’s not just you that politicians have to listen to and who’s opinions need to be taken into account.

        • freedom 2.5.1.1

          So you must be really upset with Peter Dunne stomping on Democracy today ?
          “I’m not interested in supporting anything the Greens are putting forward on this.” “

        • Draco T Bastard 2.5.1.2

          Strange, I didn’t see any sign of abuse in John M’s reply to you. Your and UF’s response to this really is deserving of contempt.

        • John M 2.5.1.3

          “You seem to not understand that it’s not just you that politicians have to listen to and who’s opinions need to be taken into account.”

          Tell that to your mate Dunne. Look at his response to Russel Norman’s amendment. He’s openly saying he’s not prepared to listen to anyone who disagrees with him. You are as well. You’re both hypocrites of the most despicable kind.

          • Pete George 2.5.1.3.1

            I’ve never said I won’t listen to anyone who disagrees with me. I do more listening than most across various blogs and other social media. Try me – what do you want me to listen to? If you can keep it reasonable and non-abusive I’ll give you a good hearing.

            • fender 2.5.1.3.1.1

              PG your abuse meter might need recalibrating cos there wasn’t any, but don’t let that stop you from complaining on another blog about the way you get treated here.

              When you don’t find support for your view you play this abuse card, do you really think you are cut out for the beehive? Maybe you could become a priest or join Colin Craig, but he might use “blimin heck’ from time to time so cover your ears.

            • John M 2.5.1.3.1.2

              Have a look at the questions asked above at 5.49pm.

            • John M 2.5.1.3.1.3

              Yes, just as I thought.

    • Georgecom 2.6

      Pete

      The petition is far from futile.
      I think you will find a referendum does go ahead.
      No, its not binding but the message is strong.
      Some of the assets may be sold off but we may be able to save some and then have to start undoing the damage National have wrought.

      Mind you, easy way to stop the legislation, go and tell you make Peter to vote against it.

      Rob

    • Bob 2.7

      Agree Pete, is it a good use of their money, they could have used that money on funding support for their own MP http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10785474 but instead they use it on trying to push a referendum on the MOM when we had one in November!

      Also, lets hope those “equivalent of 8 full-time staff for two months” are being paid minimum wage (wouldn’t that be ironic after they say its not a livable wage), because if they pay them much more they will be in breach of the Citizens Initiated Referendum Act “Under the citizens initiated referendum act, promoters are only allowed to spend $50,000 on collecting the signatures and a further $50,000 on promoting a vote in favour of their cause.”.

  3. Good on the Greens – yeah right
    Like I’ve said you get what you vote for, and idiot selfish humans will always vote for idiot selfish leaders, the Greeds are the green wash, and we have been hung out to dry.
    How the hell is Kiwi Saver going to make a pay out to that example Norman used during the elections? If the Kiwi Saver accounts do not make a profit? To do so they must invest in companies that actually make a profit, and with nearly every other company globally going tits up, maybe NZ co ltd is the only thing left to invest in? Though saying that I know NZ co ltd is going down just like every other country.
    Can just see Norman in a loin cloth trying to stop his tribe from selling their Moi, “Russel they can’t take it away we have run out of trees”

    • Enough is Enough 3.1

      Oh Robert your misery is depressing. You are like that Eeyore from Winney-the-Pooh.

      Don’t be so afraid of the future. For every challlenge, no matter how big, there is a solution. We on the left aren’t burying our heads, rather we are searching for solutions. Don’t arrogantly think we are all stupid and dont understand the ways of the world. We are all just a lot more confident in the lefts way to solve problems.

      • Robert Atack 3.1.1

        “We are all just a lot more confident in the lefts way to solve problems.” Which means you haven’t a clue.
        If you think you have a solution, then you are part of the problem.

        George Carlin – fuck hope
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W9Cs6KPTus

        George Carlin – garbage in garbage out.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

        George Carlin – Saving the Planet
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

        And a dose of reality for ya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOq2A_SGTYA Guy is being bought out to NZ this week to be the keynote speaker School Executive Officers conference in Wellington on the 4th July. So just maybe he has a clue?

        • Draco T Bastard 3.1.1.1

          George Carlin was a great guy but only a comedian. He highlighted some of the problems of modern society but taking him as the prophet for Doom and Gloom probably isn’t the best option.

          Yes, there are solutions that we, as a small country at the bottom of the world, can put in place that will maintain a technological society. Yes, the present political parties, including the Greens, aren’t going anywhere near them but that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.

          • Robert Atack 3.1.1.1.1

            a technological society …………. yeah
            Technology is just a word to describe energy use.
            We are so connected to the rest of the world it would be imposable to maintain any sort of ‘society’ that is dependent on ‘the grid’.
            So what about Guy McPherson? see last link.
            We have run out of time and space to suggest/fight for so called ‘solutions’. The world is not going to get over peak oil, as the immediate threat, and as Guy says Climate Change isn’t looking very good for us.
            Peak oil, and the result of all the over exploitation, will take out about 5 billion people, and all the joys of + 4 5 6 ? degrees will see to the rest of us.
            George Carlin did talk some utter crap I know, but on politics the environmental, and his analysis of people he was bang on.
            Humans are basically selfish crap, and we are literally killing our offspring’s future in this orgy of growth at all costs, which the green party back … ie Kiwi Saver. (know you are not pro green, just like to keep the oddity of KS live)
            And I wanted to show EE that I did have a funny side )

  4. freedom 4

    The referendum process is certainly not being helped by the Avaaz petition which has now been re-edited to exclude any and all references to the Petition being presented to the PM. Apart from the highly questionable behaviour of altering the wording of a petition after it has been published and signed by 25,000+ people, this petition is now just gathering names, trying to achieve what exactly?

    Shifting the target number from 25,000 to 30,000 was sneaky, this recent activity breaches the basic rules of behaviour regarding Petitons, regardless of the method or the subject in question.

    here is the text today
    http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Oppose_NZ_Asset_Sales/?tta

    here is the text yesterday
    http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/650/avaazpetitiontext.png

    I have made numerous approaches to Avaaz but only receive form letter automaton responses.

    • yeshe 4.1

      please, keep trying to reach Avaaz. They do so much good, it will be sad that this duplicitous piece of work will cause them permanent harm … or maybe that is a second target also of the elusive and possibly illusive other ‘P. George’ …

    • deuto 4.2

      freedom, I appreciate your concerns re this petition and possible confusion that it is the referendum itself, but as the saying goes “there are more than one way to skin a cat” – and that from an animal lover with many years active in SPCAs etc. However, I reserve judgement on the effectiveness of the online petition until it is presented to Key as stated in the petition – or not presented.

      Re your links, I would be interested to know where your second one came from (the one you state was the site yesterday). I have been watching the site several times a day since about Thursday last week and have seen no changes to the wording since Thursday – other than the suggestion that lets try for 30,000 which was added I think on Friday or Saturday. In other words, from my viewing, it has not changed from the wording in your first link since that time. A check just a minute ago, it was the same other than the count is now up to 25,700.

      PS – I fully support what the Greens are doing including them using their parliamentary funding to do so.

      • freedom 4.2.1

        Yes i know it all looks the same but look more closely

        The second image is a cropped screengrab i took from the site just yesterday. You will notice the last line states “If 25,000 of us sign it will be delivered to john Key with a giant “Aotearoa, not for Sale” price tag!”

        now,
        if you return to the current page on the Avaaz site that quoted line is mysteriously absent. As this presentation to the PM was the original stated goal of the petition, what is the current function of this petition and why was the stated goal removed?

        • deuto 4.2.1.1

          Still there in the last paragraph

          We only have days left to tell our politicians to stop the sell out. Sign the petition now and share it widely. If 25,000 of us sign it will be delivered to John Key with a giant “Aotearoa: Not For Sale” price tag!

          • freedom 4.2.1.1.1

            http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/294/avaaz1020am19062012.png
            i just reloaded the address from a bookmark, refreshed the address bar, took a screengrab, cropped out my second monitor but left the address bar in the image and have posted it as it appears to me, there is no reference to the quoted line

            as i said the other day there is something strange going on here

            • yeshe 4.2.1.1.1.1

              freedom, deuto …. there is avaaz facebook page .. just had a quick look and they do seem to be responding quickly in the medium .. might be worth trying to contact them that way .. it is their credibility on the line. facebook is a foreign land to me .. sorry, so can’t offer to help but you two have all the page grabs etc … good luck.

              http://www.facebook.com/Avaaz

              • freedom

                thanks for the suggestion . . . done.

                • freedom

                  have posted twice to the Fb page, post has twice been removed from the Fb page, but no, nothing strange going on here

                  guess we just wait to see the presentation to the Pm then .. .. ..

                  • yeshe

                    amazing, really …. let’s see what arises next … it sure stinks …

                    • freedom

                      and in the process i get painted to look like like a half-baked paranoid nutjob, perhaps i can get a job in Cabinet?

            • deuto 4.2.1.1.1.2

              Hi freedom, I am no computer whiz. I put the online petition onto my Favorites bar and check it that way, but also refresh each time which seems to work for me with other sites on the bar. But actually, I am not interested in a fight on this – much more important to stop this dastardly MOM legislation and the sale of strategic taxpayer-owned assets (partial of otherwise) and by whatever means. Although a born cynic, I remain hopeful that this online petition will be delivered to Key et al today or in the next few days, but am doubtful that it will make any difference in the short term, sigh.

  5. DH 5

    I agree, Greens are going great. I re-watched the ‘someone else’s country’ doco a while back & had forgotten how vociferous the opposition to asset sales was back then. 93% were against selling forestry and they still sold it. It got nowhere because no political party backed the protests in any meaningful manner. Greens are doing an outstanding job on our behalf here, getting an economics firm to play the Nats at their own game was a masterstroke. Compare them with Labour who are all mouth & trousers.

  6. Anne 6

    It was reported at my electorate meeting last night that Labour has reached 30,000 signatures thus far.

    So, its good on Labour too.

    Labour is doing their thing at the local flea markets, and I believe they are targeting Supermarkets too. It must be a lucrative source.

  7. Kevin 7

    Gathering signatures on a petition for a referendum is in my view a waste of time and resources. The Greens can well afford to squander money on this project through their parliamentary funding but in the final analysis the outcome will be a non binding referendum.
    If you want to throw money at the privatisation of public assets then your money would be more effectively used in buying shares in said assets. Share holders get voting rights in these companies and are kept well informed of strategy therefore it is more prudent to participate than to oppose.

    • Kotahi Tane Huna 7.1

      Gee, Kevin, that sounds like the weasel justifications of a quisling.

    • Dr Terry 7.2

      Kevin, all I can take from this is “buy assets and sell your integrity”. I hope I have got you wrong.

      • Kevin 7.2.1

        @Dr Terry, @Kotahi
        I know my comment sounds cynical, but what else can you do? The petiton and referendum, despite what people say, won’t get any traction and will be a waste of time.

        • Kotahi Tane Huna 7.2.1.1

          If you feel the need to justify your behaviour to yourself, keep going, but don’t kid yourself that weasel words carry weight for anyone else.

        • Draco T Bastard 7.2.1.2

          The only thing that most people can do is stop the selling of their assets. Buying them from themselves isn’t an option because 1) doing so is really stupid and 2) they don’t have any money.

        • fatty 7.2.1.3

          “won’t get any traction and will be a waste of time.”

          I kinda have the same opinion…I think the assets were as good as gone as soon as they were elected…but, Key is in on popularity, and popularity only. This referendum is the last thing he wants. The signatures will not stop the sales, but I think if it gets to a referendum, then Key will jump ship earlier and NACT will disintegrate.
          Also that nasty disease that has been infecting ‘common sense’ for years will finally be gone.
          See this referendum as an end to NACT and the end of Dunne’s pathetic excuse of a political life.
          That’s why meat george is having a heart attack

  8. Tangled up in blue 8

    Probably already mentioned but even if the referendum comes after the fact it is still a powerful tool to further saturate public consciousness regarding National’s shoddy economics and arrogant neglect of what NZ wants.

    • The petition/referendum system – the people’s only non-election option – has been taken from the people by parties using it as an electioneering tool. Funded by the people, being cynically used again.

      • freedom 8.1.1

        In what Universe does following due process as laid out by the Referendum protocols become cynical electioneering? Is it the same Universe where flip-flopping your values depending on who has the chequebook is called a political career?

        • Pete George 8.1.1.1

          The referendum system was originally designed as a far from perfect way of the people telling politicians what they wanted.

          It now seems to be another means by which parties can ue public funds to seek support – the Greens are even employing people to sign their petition. That’s hardly a system for the people to speak to politicians.

          I think we need a practical system designed by the people, for the people, and kept for the people.

          • McFlock 8.1.1.1.1

            “the Greens are even employing people to sign their petition”
                 
            No they’re not. And the system for people to speak to the politicians is the referendum itself – the petition is speaking to Elections NZ. 

          • freedom 8.1.1.1.2

            first up, the Greens are employing people to collect signatures, not sign the petition.

            seco…. actually nothing else you mentioned is worth responding to

            • Pete George 8.1.1.1.2.1

              first up – you’re right, I worded that badly (unintentionally) so was wrong.

              second – having a system of people telling politicians what to do, designed by politicians, is a recipe for failure and abuse by politicians. Or do you disagree?

              • freedom

                The system is not the problem. The problem is the systemic failure of those who are handsomely paid to manage it, to do so honestly and without prejudicial manipulation.

                • Kotahi Tane Huna

                  Disagree: the system is designed to compensate for greedy stupid Tories etc (cf: the select committee process) but no system can fully compensate for human behaviour.

                  • freedom

                    - The SC process was/is perverted by a predetermined human decision not by any inherent fault within the system itself. Certainly there are tweaks that could be applied but constant tweaking of systems is what creates so many of the problems in the first place. Perhaps if the SC process had a fixed rule of deliberation time relating to the number of submissions then perhaps the manipulative practices of parliamentarians would be less viable?

                    I do see your overall point (and am generally of a similar view) but a political system is like a car, without a safe and judicious driver, it is at best inert at worst it is lethal to those who encounter it. The car is hardly ever the problem.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Perhaps if the SC process had a fixed rule of deliberation time relating to the number of submissions then perhaps the manipulative practices of parliamentarians would be less viable?

                      That would be a good idea and I’d also like a binding referendum at the end of the select committee process that lets NZ tell the politicians if they support the new law or not.

                      Time for more democracy.

              • tracey

                do you mean like undermining democracy by making deals to not stand an opposing mp or by nudge nudge wink wink vote for me candidates?

      • John M 8.1.2

        The only way you could be right is if political parties were forcing people to sign the referendum against their will. Contrary to concerns that the will of the people was not reflected in the election result, you say the election result did represent the will of the people. So if the refendum comes back overwhelmingly against asset sales what would you say? Would you say that the Greens have manipulated the system to suit their own political agenda and that as a result people still really do support asset sales? Or would you say (even if they have changed their minds since the election) that the people have spoken?

        • Pete George 8.1.2.1

          Or would you say (even if they have changed their minds since the election) that the people have spoken?

          No, I wouldn’t say “the people” have spoken. Some people have spoken. Some have followed. And we don’t really know what many think.

          We know that many people prefer asset sales didn’t go ahead. But there’s a lot we don’t know. We don’t know how many think they should be able to proceed even though they prefer they didn’t. We don’t know how many are against “asset sales” but don’t mind MOM.

          What is your understanding of what “the people” think?

          • Draco T Bastard 8.1.2.1.1

            You really are becoming more of a weasel every day.

            • McFlock 8.1.2.1.1.1

              nah – pete just doesn’t like democracy because it constantly reminds him that (to quote the Holy Ones) he’s not the Messiah, he’s just a very naughty boy.

              • Te Reo Putake

                Not to mention his rejection issues.
                 
                29,157. The number of ungrateful North Dunedinites who didn’t vote for their better, Pete ‘Porkies’ George. 176. The mugs who did take him seriously. Though less seriously than the candidate the election before him, because, despite his Teflon grade waffling, Petey actually cost United Future votes. Democracy? Bah!

  9. captain hook 9

    so what do the greens have to say about the 40% rise in use of the earths resources since the last earth summit in 1992.
    how long till everything is exhausted?

    • Draco T Bastard 9.1

      how long till everything is exhausted?

      Not long but the primary resource, oil, has already peaked which means that we won’t be able to get to the other resources soon anyway.

  10. BLiP 10

    .

    Heh!

    The Wellington offices of merchant banker Goldman Sachs will be the focus of protest activity on Tuesday by People’s Power Ohariu in its campaign against the privatisation of the four Government owned energy companies.

    The John Key Government has budgetted $120 million to be allocated to Goldman Sachs and other companies assisting the Government’s asset sales programme including advertising, public relations and call centre companies.

    At midday on Tuesday, “John Key”, “Bill English” and their minders will be leaving Parliament Buildings with wheelbarrows full of money heading up Lambton Quay to deliver $120 million to the offices of Goldman Sachs in the BNZ building at 1 Willis Street . . .

    http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=45787

  11. Jenny 11

    Good on the Greens

    The Greens have hired the equivalent of 8 full-time staff for two months to get their signature collecting as part of the Keep Our Assets Coalition rolling. It comes out of the fixed budget allocated to the party’s leaders’ office – not one additional cent from the taxpayer, just a choice: other parties spend millions of taxpayer money on polling*. It’s a good use of our money.

    EDDIE

    Good on you Eddie (for mentioning it). Now, if only the Lazy party would take up this initiative too, or even outdo it. Maybe all their affiliated unions could help as well. Maybe if the Lazy Party started doing things like this, then their vote would not continue to be cannibalised by the Greens.

    • Te Reo Putake 11.1

      Jenny, you fucken numpty, the Labour Party and most unions, affiliated or not, are totally behind this petition. The LP is working side by side with the Greens and Grey Power to get the numbers needed. Did you not spot the comment above that the LP has collected 30,000 signatures so far? 30,000! What the fuck have you done, apart from run the campaign down from a position of smug sectarian ignorance?

      • Jenny 11.1.1

        The Greens have collected an amazing 20,000 signatures in the past week and now have 41,600. Just on Thursday, they were at 30,000.

        EDDIE

        And this is a much smaller party.

        I might ask you, Mr Putake, How many full time staffers has the Lazy party put on this campaign?

        Sixteen?

        Eight?

        One?

        None?

        • Te Reo Putake 11.1.1.1

          The Labour Party’s campaign is member driven, but with huge contributions from MP’s and staff. Just like the Greens. That means hundreds of volunteer activists getting out there and actually signing people up. That’s what Grey Power are doing too. And the unions. What’s the problem, Jenny? Don’t you like mass movements any more?
           
          And, of course, had it been the LP paying part-timers to collect signatures, you’d be bagging them for selling out or some such other Spartist rubbish. Why don’t you just go get some signatures? It’s not a competition, its the left working together with some great allies in Grey Power and plenty of non affiliated volunteers, too. We need every bit of help we can get to make it happen, not pointless sniping at the people who are doing the hard yards.
           

          • Pete George 11.1.1.1.1

            We need every bit of help we can get to make it happen, not pointless sniping at the people who are doing the hard yards.

            An interesting comment. I agree with the sentiment, pointless sniping is, well, kinda pointless. Isn’t it.

            • Te Reo Putake 11.1.1.1.1.1

              No, pal. You’re pointless. You’ve never made a point in your life. Lies, on the hand …

        • Anne 11.1.1.2

          Don’t be so childish Jenny. It’s not a kids competition to see who can get the most signatures. It’s a combined effort on the part of a number of organisations to gather enough signatures for a referendum on Asset Sales in case you have forgotten.

          My understanding is that Labour had collected 30,000 signatures up to Wed./Thurs. of last week. The Greens and Labour are to be congratulated on their magnificent efforts in such a short space of time.

  12. freedom 12

    If you know where there are twenty people, that is 20 potential signatures and reason enough to print a page off and carry it with you during your day http://keepourassets.org.nz/

  13. Georgecom 13

    Anyone have a dirt file on Peter Dunne that can suddenly get produced?

    July 14 is a proposed nationwide day of action for the anti asset sale movement.

    Some of us are discussing maybe a city wide blitz on that day. Take the petition out to malls, carparks, public parks etc and gather as many signatures as possible. 10 or more teams, 3 people per team, 50 signatures per person, 1500 signatures very conservatively.

    • Carol 13.1

      Sounds good. Can confirmation of the day of action be as much in advance as possible, please, so I can book a day off work?

  14. tc 14

    And now the double dippers themselves are crying over this use of funds, what a bunch of hypocrytical shysters who just can’t stand the inconvenience of democratic process.

    Our only saviour is from an extremely unlikely MP and UF so prepare for the great sellout with those patsy suck ups.

  15. Dave 15

    Hey John Maynard (John M),

    You are allowed to use your real name, you know….

    • Te Reo Putake 15.1

      Dave, guessing at people’s identities is not cool. Delete it while you’ve still got time.

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    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Petition for Governor General of New Zealand to Investigate all the allegat...
      Now we see the inquiry will be a whitewash, that is secret, won’t be consulted with the Opposition, will have limited scope and will ignore Nicky Hager’s book, we must demand the Governor General step in and demand an...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014
    I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had been a frequent visitor to the tiny seaside village back in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s. Its tall cliffs and broad beaches providing a colourful backdrop to...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Checkmate in 1 move – how could Slater have known what was in OIA request...
    And now we get down to the final few moves before checkmate. If the following investigation is right, how could Slater and Collins have known what was in the Secret Intelligence Service Official Information Act request that hadn’t been released...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Of Jennifer Lawrence Without Consent
    Today the Edge website – owned by Media Works – published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent. It is not OK to publish naked media of any woman without her consent, full stop. It is absolutely disgusting...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate ...
    Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how good was I i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Maggie Barry slags Laila Harre & blogger, audience erupt
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting held their public meeting in Auckland last night and it became a fiery shouting match when Maggie Barry decided to slag Laila Harre and me off. 250 people packed into the Pioneer Hall off High...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • It has to be a full independent public inquiry and Key MUST front
      You know things are bad when images like this start appearing in the media.  It isn’t a ‘left wing conspiracy’ to point out the over whelming evidence of what is clearly a right wing conspiracy! If it looks like a conspiracy, sounds like a conspiracy...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Political Party social media stats – National playing Dirty Politics on s...
    Interesting data from friend of the blog, Marty Stewart, on social media likes and it shows an interesting question that post Dirty Politics should probably get asked…   …it’s interesting that Key has so many personal followers.  One wonders if...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • The depth of the National rot and the compliance of our news media
    I’m so tired. Aren’t you? I don’t want to read the news anymore. It’s awful and I feel ashamed of it. We live in a country that people all over the world would give an arm, a leg; their life...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Conservative Party candidate links smacking ban with suicide, sexually tran...
    If Chemtrails, faked moon landings and climate change denial weren’t enough, welcome to your new Minister for Spanking,  Edward Saafi... The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on the canonisation of Matthew Hooton
    Before we all start the canonisation of Matthew Hooton, let’s consider some home truths here shall we? While the Wellington Ruminator Blog, the blog who was previously mates with Judith Collins, now seems to have a crush on Matthew Hooton… …I...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on undercover cops in bars
    Dunedin police booze operation labelled ‘creepy’ Undercover police officers drank in Dunedin bars as part of an operation targeting liquor licensing offences. While police said the inaugural operation was a success — with most bars found compliant — the Hospitality...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Judith Collins press conference
    Judith Collins press conference...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Angry Lawyer – Collins, Odgers, Williams and legal ethics
    We deserve better lawyers than Judith Collins Three of the worst offenders exposed in Dirty Politics are lawyers: Judith Collins, Cathy Odgers, and Jordan Williams. What Nicky Hager exposed them doing would be out of line for anyone, but from...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Necessary Defence
    Increasingly climate change is becoming the main fracture line between political parties. Where political parties stand on climate change defines political parties and movements like no other issue. The Mana Movement like the Maori Party it sprang from, came out...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Why it is all over for John Key
    Image: Melanie D I’ve been confident that National will lose this election and that our focus should be on what a progressive Government needs to establish as its agenda in the first 100 days. Past that point, the establishment pushes back...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word to everyone who voted National in 2011
    I received this interesting email from a National Party supporter today… …let me say this to anyone who voted National last election – you should be ashamed by what has been revealed and what your vote ended up enabling but...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Déjà Vu All Over Again: John Ansell confirms his participation...
      THE MAN BEHIND the Iwi-Kiwi billboards that very nearly won the 2005 election for Don Brash and the National Party has confirmed his involvement in businessman John Third’s and former Act MP Owen Jennings’ campaign to drive down the...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Public Broadcasting Auckland debate 6.30pm tonight now with Colin Craig &am...
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting debate on public broadcasting happens tonight at 6.30pm in Auckland at the Pioneer Women’s Hall, High Street, Auckland City.  In the light of Dirty Politics and the manipulation of the media, public broadcasting is more important for...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Winners & Losers in Collins sacking plus what’s the latest on Slater...
      Make no mistake, there was no way this was a resignation, it’s a face saving way out for Collins, she was sacked.  My understanding is that National internal polls are haemorrhaging and that the powers that be within National...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Third party propaganda attacks incoming Labour-led government
    . . Further to a report by Daily Blogger, Chris Trotter, on receiving information regarding planned attack-billboards, the following billboard is highly visible to traffic on the southbound lane of the Wellington motorway, just prior to the Murphy St turn-off....
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour wins the Internet
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who tried to vote online for the leaders debate and couldn’t because the website was down. The next option was the txt vote, 75c a pop of course. So I’m not surprised that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Rotherham and the need to challenge willful bl...
    I haven’t been following the events in Rotterham too closely.  I’ve read about the basic issues and the culture of silence that stopped action been taken even after complaints were made.  That culture of silence is incredibly familiar, and described...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton
    Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton 1 September 2014 For Immediate Release “This morning I made comments on Radio New Zealand’s Nine to Noon programme about an attempt by staff in the Prime Minister’s Office to interfere in the appointment...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Worm turns down for John Key
    John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s Reactor, the original Worm. John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Without Consent
    The Edge website, owned by Media Works have published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Statement from the Governor-General on Ashburton Shootings
    The Governor-General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has expressed his deep shock following the shooting of three people in Ashburton today....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Update on IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    In recognition of the public interest, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security, Cheryl Gwyn, took the unusual step of providing an update during the course of an inquiry and confirmed today that she would be summoning a number of individuals...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • An Open Government Plan developed in secrecy
    The State Services Commission sent NZ’s Open Government Action Plan to the international Open Government Partnership (OGP) Secretariat on 31 July. The countries involved in the OGP since its inception - from the UK and US to Indonesia and Brazil...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • KiwiRail; another year older and deeper in debt
    That is a lot of money and there are lessons that need to be learnt before we pour in another $1 billion....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Fonterra China Deal Demands Safe Supply Chain
    The future success of Fonterra’s deal to sell infant formula in China [1] requires all milk it uses be safe and for Fonterra to secure its supply chain from contamination by GE DNA and pesticide residues. There is now significant...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • HRC praises Auckland mum for speaking out
    Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy has praised an Auckland mother of four who went public after humiliating treatment by staff at The Warehouse....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Southern DHB refers disputed issue to Serious Fraud Office
    Following advice from forensic investigation firm Beattie Varley Limited, Southern District Health Board has referred the expenditure at the centre of its long running dispute with South Link Health to the Serious Fraud Office. The parties have been...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Letter 1 September 2014
    Last night’s TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll puts the left and right 60 MPs each. United and the Maori Party say they will go with the side that gets to 61 MPs. ACT just needs just 1.3% or 28 thousand Party...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Shopping Giveaway Harmless Fun For Kids
    Family First NZ is rubbishing claims by critics including Gareth Morgan that the New World ‘Little Shop’ promotion is harmful for kids, and says that kids should be allowed to be kids. “Children love acting like their parents and pretending...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Red Cross launches employment service for former refugees
    New Zealand Red Cross is encouraging employers to give refugees a fresh startwith the launch of Pathways to Employment, a nationwide work assistance service....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Conservation Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Conservation Policy including the key objective of halting the current pattern of indigenous biodiversity decline within ten years....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Poverty is falling and income inequality is not rising
    “A Roy Morgan poll shows that the issue people are most concerned about is income inequality. This just goes to show how the persistent repetition of a lie bewilders the public. Income inequality is not in fact rising. And the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Rotary NZ responding to Fiji water and sanitation issues
    Clean water and sanitation are vital to health. In Fiji Rotary New Zealand have been targeting 22 communities that are experiencing severe hardship mainly because they don’t have access to clean water for their drinking, cleaning and cooking needs....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Work & Income shooting a Tragedy
    Kay Brereton speaking on behalf of the National Beneficiary Advocacy Consultancy group says; “Two people shot and another wounded, this is a tragedy and our deepest sympathy goes out to the family and whanau of the victims, as well as...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • 1080 Poison Deer Repellent not Effective – Farmers
    Four deer have been found dead within a farmer's bush block, after an aerial 1080 poison drop applied with deer repellent. The drop was part of a 30,000 hectare drop across the Northern Pureora Forest Park....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Employment Charter will strengthen migrants’ rights
    Establishing an Employment Charter for construction companies is a critical step to strengthening the rights of migrant workers that are fast becoming the face of the Christchurch rebuild, according to an alliance of union groups. The charter has...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Global March For Elephants and Rhino
    It’s a trans-national business that funds terrorist organisations, fuels conflict in Africa, and poses environmental, development and security challenges. The illegal wildlife trade is also a lucrative business, generating an estimated USD$20 billion...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • New series of videos aimed at disengaged youth
    From the people who brought you 'NZ Idle' (NZ's favourite web series about an artist on the dole) comes a new series about election time: Choice Lolz....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Picket Of Leaders Christchurch Debate
    KEEP OUR ASSETS PICKET OF LEADERS CHRISTCHURCH DEBATE TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 2nd, 6 p.m. ST MARGARETS COLLEGE, SHREWSBURY STREET, MERIVALE...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Vega Auriga should be detained in NZ until problems fixed
    Maritime Union of New Zealand National Secretary Joe Fleetwood says that the ship Vega Auriga should be detained in a New Zealand port until it is deemed seaworthy and crew issues have been fixed....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Minor Parties Added to Election ‘Bribe-O-Meter’
    The Taxpayers’ Union have added the Green, ACT, United Future and Conservative Parties to the ‘ Bribe-O-Meter ’ hosted at taxpayers.org.nz . Excluding ACT and New Zealand First, the total election ‘bribes’ - that is new spending not already...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Fiery Broadcasting Debate in Auckland
    Over 250 people turned out for the Auckland Broadcasting and Media Debate in Auckland City last night to hear politicians give their solutions to NZ’s media and broadcasting woes....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Independent Epsom Candidate: Adam Holland
    Today I am very proud to have been nominated to run as an independent candidate by the people of Epsom in order to work hard for the people of Epsom, Mount Eden, Newmarket and Remuera....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Voters favour parties with factory farming policies
    A Horizon Research poll shows that 64.7% of adults are more likely to vote for a political party with a policy against factory farming....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Collins And Dirty Politics Drive The #nzpol Wordcloud
    After Judith Collins' resignation as Minister from Cabinet on Saturday, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol and for approximately the 24 hours since the announcement to produced this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Bill English: allegations against Judith Collins are serious
    Deputy Prime Minister Bill English told TV1’s Q+A programme that the allegations against Judith Collins are serious and that’s why an inquiry is needed....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Culture Change Required
    "There are serious issues raised in an Employment Relations Authority judgement released this week. The culture within the Whangarei District Council (WDC) organisation must change. The culture of any organisation is defined by its leadership starting...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Reducing Reoffending Statistic Challenged
    In Rethinking’s latest blog, http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/08/th-bps-reducing-crime-and-reoffending.html it closely examines the current claim that reoffending in New Zealand has reduced by 12.5% since June 2011, and reveals how that figure has been achieved. It argues...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • University economics team studying workers’ comparing wages
    A University of Canterbury economics research team is looking at fairness of the job assignments and whether workers are sensitive to the wages of their co-workers....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Statement by State Services Commissioner
    30 August 2014 "The State Services Commission was contacted by the Prime Minister's Office over the last 24 hours on this issue." “Any activity that undermines, or has the potential to undermine, the trust and confidence in the public service...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Christchurch Council Circus … Continued
    In 2010 the UK Daily Mail investigated the antics of a major bureaucratically bloated London Local Authority and reported with THE GREAT INERTIA SECTOR ....
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • The Nation Housing Debate
    Patrick It's the great Kiwi dream, but is owning the roof over your head now just a pipe dream for many Kiwis? Homeownership is at the lowest level in half a century. National's answer is to double subsidies to first-home...
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • Time to Shine Light on Shadowy Spies
    Internet MANA has promised to set up a Royal Commission of Inquiry into New Zealand’s intelligence agencies, with a view to transferring oversight of spying operations to a new, independent authority....
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
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