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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180409</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is: if they make it to a second term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is: if they make it to a second term.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180405</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah Kate.

They let him off the hook this term  - too dangerous. He would have frightened the voters away. It&#039;s all on next term!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah Kate.</p>
<p>They let him off the hook this term  &#8211; too dangerous. He would have frightened the voters away. It&#8217;s all on next term!</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180379</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youse should roll Hide anyways Kate. Put John in his place then. Let him know he has to dance with them what brung him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youse should roll Hide anyways Kate. Put John in his place then. Let him know he has to dance with them what brung him.</p>
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		<title>By: Cactus Kate</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180378</link>
		<dc:creator>Cactus Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes Anne and John Key is doing a fantastic job breaking in far reaching right wing economic policy, slashing taxes and benefits, selling off all those state assets and doing all the things that we wish he would. - Yeah right....puppet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes Anne and John Key is doing a fantastic job breaking in far reaching right wing economic policy, slashing taxes and benefits, selling off all those state assets and doing all the things that we wish he would. &#8211; Yeah right&#8230;.puppet.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal&#039;s bookie @ 9.50pm.

You&#039;re right on the button!

Rodney Hide worked for Alan Gibbs as an economic adviser back in the early 1990s. In the mid-1990s Gibbs - assisted by a few wealthy mates - bankrolled Act into existence and Rodney was installed as a full-time political operator. He entered parliament in 1996. Gibbs and co. continued to keep the party afloat, but switched  most of the money back to National when Brash arrived on the scene. We&#039;re talking huge bucks where these types are concerned of course and Rodney is their man in government!

So who&#039;s the puppet on a string?  John Key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal&#8217;s bookie @ 9.50pm.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right on the button!</p>
<p>Rodney Hide worked for Alan Gibbs as an economic adviser back in the early 1990s. In the mid-1990s Gibbs &#8211; assisted by a few wealthy mates &#8211; bankrolled Act into existence and Rodney was installed as a full-time political operator. He entered parliament in 1996. Gibbs and co. continued to keep the party afloat, but switched  most of the money back to National when Brash arrived on the scene. We&#8217;re talking huge bucks where these types are concerned of course and Rodney is their man in government!</p>
<p>So who&#8217;s the puppet on a string?  John Key.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. National&#039;s main leverage against Rodney is the threat they might stand someone competent in Epsom.

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. National&#8217;s main leverage against Rodney is the threat they might stand someone competent in Epsom.</p>
<p>L</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180263</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there&#039;s a funny thought!

Thing is, Rod&#039;s real value to National is the extra four MPs he carries around. They&#039;d more likely run him elsewhere and give Boscowen the nod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there&#8217;s a funny thought!</p>
<p>Thing is, Rod&#8217;s real value to National is the extra four MPs he carries around. They&#8217;d more likely run him elsewhere and give Boscowen the nod.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180259</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of them are reckoning Boscowen pull it off, he&#039;d prolly be their best hope. Bur he might just find himself running against National party candidate Rodney Hide standing on the hustings with Key at his side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of them are reckoning Boscowen pull it off, he&#8217;d prolly be their best hope. Bur he might just find himself running against National party candidate Rodney Hide standing on the hustings with Key at his side.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180257</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story is just too damn funny.

When does a PM get a veto over a coalition party&#039;s internal discussions?

When they give him one, that&#039;s when.

Key&#039;s got godcomplex, and ACT lacks spine.

That kind of makes it look like National leaked the story, but you read what ACTies are saying and they hates them some Rodney Hide.

Could be multiple sources.

Nelson Muntz lol&#039;d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story is just too damn funny.</p>
<p>When does a PM get a veto over a coalition party&#8217;s internal discussions?</p>
<p>When they give him one, that&#8217;s when.</p>
<p>Key&#8217;s got godcomplex, and ACT lacks spine.</p>
<p>That kind of makes it look like National leaked the story, but you read what ACTies are saying and they hates them some Rodney Hide.</p>
<p>Could be multiple sources.</p>
<p>Nelson Muntz lol&#8217;d</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180254</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you notice that when Rodney was apologizing for the wee expensive overseas trip, that it was almost entirely directed towards his electorate. There is a pretty good reason for that, and I don&#039;t think that the apology overcame the loss of the perk-buster image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you notice that when Rodney was apologizing for the wee expensive overseas trip, that it was almost entirely directed towards his electorate. There is a pretty good reason for that, and I don&#8217;t think that the apology overcame the loss of the perk-buster image.</p>
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		<title>By: gingercrush</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180252</link>
		<dc:creator>gingercrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe someone in National leaked it. I also think very few National MPs were aware this even occured therefore it has to be someone very close to the Prime Minister or its just McCully being McCully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe someone in National leaked it. I also think very few National MPs were aware this even occured therefore it has to be someone very close to the Prime Minister or its just McCully being McCully.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180250</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Because probably no one in the MSM knew this at the time. Has nothing to do with the media being partisan or that they can&#039;t be trusted.&lt;/i&gt;

Spot on ginge. 

&lt;i&gt;But more to do with these things didn&#039;t get leaked till later.&lt;/i&gt;

The parlor game then becomes asking &quot;who leaked?&quot;

It makes ACT look pretty darned dysfunctional when you&#039;ve got The Roy Roger Duo trying to roll him. Leaving aside the absolute nuttiness of these clowns who somehow imagine that they don&#039;t owe Hide their survival, those pair are the braintrust/core of the institutional ACT party. If it was ol garret or whatever the hell his name is, you could put it down to him being a rebel outsider that the party can&#039;t control, but Roy and Douglas?

Given there&#039;s that much crazy going on, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if it was an ACT source for the story. There seems to be some ego flying around anyhoo.

If it was the Nats, then that&#039;s some crafty skullduggery going on.

If ah put my speculatin hat on I see that Duggie an Heather just knows as much as they knows anything that they really do owe their existence to Hide. They may well have more support &lt;i&gt;within&lt;/i&gt; ACT, but ACT need Hide&#039;s seat and everyone knows it. So why would they feel the courage to do this?

Ol&#039; John Key might&#039;nt have been in the business for ever, but he remembers the &quot;No Brash, No Cash&quot; episode well enough. He knows that ACT used to get quite a lot of cash money support, and that they used to be above that 5% back in those days of cash support. He also knows that that money shifted to National when Brash took the helm. If he suspected that money might be prepared to shift back, what better way to keep it at home than to tell it that if it runs away from National, it finds itself on the cross benches?

But all in all I suspect an ACT source, They have more true believers of different flavours likely to go all crazy.

What&#039;s your guess on the leaker?

(as an aside, and for what it&#039;s worth, that &quot;hence why&quot; construction often gets your sentences into trouble. Just go with &quot;hence&quot; and it becomes much easier, eg &lt;i&gt;Hence they are being reported on now.&lt;/i&gt; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Because probably no one in the MSM knew this at the time. Has nothing to do with the media being partisan or that they can&#8217;t be trusted.</i></p>
<p>Spot on ginge. </p>
<p><i>But more to do with these things didn&#8217;t get leaked till later.</i></p>
<p>The parlor game then becomes asking &#8220;who leaked?&#8221;</p>
<p>It makes ACT look pretty darned dysfunctional when you&#8217;ve got The Roy Roger Duo trying to roll him. Leaving aside the absolute nuttiness of these clowns who somehow imagine that they don&#8217;t owe Hide their survival, those pair are the braintrust/core of the institutional ACT party. If it was ol garret or whatever the hell his name is, you could put it down to him being a rebel outsider that the party can&#8217;t control, but Roy and Douglas?</p>
<p>Given there&#8217;s that much crazy going on, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it was an ACT source for the story. There seems to be some ego flying around anyhoo.</p>
<p>If it was the Nats, then that&#8217;s some crafty skullduggery going on.</p>
<p>If ah put my speculatin hat on I see that Duggie an Heather just knows as much as they knows anything that they really do owe their existence to Hide. They may well have more support <i>within</i> ACT, but ACT need Hide&#8217;s seat and everyone knows it. So why would they feel the courage to do this?</p>
<p>Ol&#8217; John Key might&#8217;nt have been in the business for ever, but he remembers the &#8220;No Brash, No Cash&#8221; episode well enough. He knows that ACT used to get quite a lot of cash money support, and that they used to be above that 5% back in those days of cash support. He also knows that that money shifted to National when Brash took the helm. If he suspected that money might be prepared to shift back, what better way to keep it at home than to tell it that if it runs away from National, it finds itself on the cross benches?</p>
<p>But all in all I suspect an ACT source, They have more true believers of different flavours likely to go all crazy.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your guess on the leaker?</p>
<p>(as an aside, and for what it&#8217;s worth, that &#8220;hence why&#8221; construction often gets your sentences into trouble. Just go with &#8220;hence&#8221; and it becomes much easier, eg <i>Hence they are being reported on now.</i> )</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180249</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s still alive isn&#039;t he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8217;s still alive isn&#8217;t he?</p>
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		<title>By: Lew</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180247</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alliance? What sorcery do you think is afoot to resurrect that lot?

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alliance? What sorcery do you think is afoot to resurrect that lot?</p>
<p>L</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/government-barely-survives-first-year/comment-page-1/#comment-180246</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Key called an election early because of Hyde rorting and National won Epsom it would not have gained him any overall electorate vote but possibly lost him Act, Peters could have ridden in over the 5% on the back of the dodgy forests deal which a lot of iwi missed out on and aren&#039;t too happy. Labour would have picked up votes simply by not pissing the populace around and Key would have lost share for the same reason + Supershitty,  I think some canny operator(s) in the Nats didn&#039;t want a bar of it. It could easily have been Nat 44%, Labour 35%, Green 7%, (on the back of Copenhagen) NZF 5%, Alliance 1 seat, Dunne 1 seat, Maori party? Bloody interesting, bring it on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Key called an election early because of Hyde rorting and National won Epsom it would not have gained him any overall electorate vote but possibly lost him Act, Peters could have ridden in over the 5% on the back of the dodgy forests deal which a lot of iwi missed out on and aren&#8217;t too happy. Labour would have picked up votes simply by not pissing the populace around and Key would have lost share for the same reason + Supershitty,  I think some canny operator(s) in the Nats didn&#8217;t want a bar of it. It could easily have been Nat 44%, Labour 35%, Green 7%, (on the back of Copenhagen) NZF 5%, Alliance 1 seat, Dunne 1 seat, Maori party? Bloody interesting, bring it on!</p>
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