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Groser says govt ministers in denial of reality

Written By: - Date published: 7:25 am, November 14th, 2013 - 145 comments
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3news has shaken out hidden science denialists in National. This follows the disgraceful booing of Russel Norman by National MPs who did not want to hear him ‘inappropriately’ quote a Filipino official attributing the typhoon to climate change at a time apparently meant for empty platitudes. Meanwhile, the Filipino official that Norman was quoting has written to thank him.

Turns out our transport and finance ministers are climate science denialists, as is some loser called Jami Lee Ross (this is the chump who got landed with the failed strikebreakers’ private members’ bill, which even Key didn’t agree with). Climate Minister Tim Groser says “you would have to be in denial of reality” to think that way.

So, what does Key think? Does he agree with Tim Groser that only someone who is “in denial of reality” denies man-made climate change? Or does he agree with Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet? Or with Brownlee, English, and Ross, who clearly are deniers but lack the guts to say it. And when will National have the guts to come out as the party for science deniers that it is?

145 comments on “Groser says govt ministers in denial of reality”

  1. muzza 1

    How is quoting Tim Groser helping to make this articles primary discussion point, credible?

    Tiny Tim is doing he darn best to ensure that this country and what is left of the sovereignty ,is sold into the control of foreign corporate interests, and whatever strategy those globalists intend to operate with, once the TPPA is ratified.

    Using Tim as a crutch for this article, leaves a nasty taste!

    • Matthew Hooton 1.1

      I think the information on Wikileaks this morning suggests Groser has been doing quite the opposite to what you claim. See https://wikileaks.org/tpp/static/pdf/Wikileaks-secret-TPP-treaty-IP-chapter.pdf

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1

        You would have to comb through that document for a while before you could reach that conclusion with any degree of certainty.

        • karol 1.1.1.1

          Agreed, OAK. I looked at the NZ Herald article on it and thought it very conveniently made it look like the NZ government was standing up for the interest of all NZers.

          I like time to look at it, and more informed analyses of it.

          • Matthew Hooton 1.1.1.1.1

            Yep, that’s right. NICKY HAGER was “very conveniently” making it look like the government is standing up for the interests of all New Zealanders! The corporate media must have captured him now too!

            http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11156737

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1.1.1.1

              Hollow Hooten cites Nicky Hager :twisted:

            • karol 1.1.1.1.1.2

              The problem is that Groser and Key continue to say they are working in the interests of NZ and that a solution in favour of NZ sovereignty and people is possible. I am mistrustful of the role they have been playing in the negotiations, until I have time to look more closely at the evidence.

              As Jane Kelsey says, we need to see draft texts of all the chapters to have a clearer view of what is being negotiated. Curiously that Stuff article interprets the Wikileaks documents as showing “road blocks” and “snags” to the TPP: i.e. not insurmountable obstacles.

              • Matthew Hooton

                If you are opposed to TPP, you don’t need to worry. It will never happen. A free-trade deal of this nature will never get passed the US Congress, especially with Obama not having fast-track authority – and it is difficult to see how the free-traders like NZ and Singapore would ever finally agree with Japan and Canada. The whole TPP thing has become nothing more than a make-work and air-points scheme for bureaucrats, lobbyists and activists.

                • Tracey

                  activists ought not be included with lobbyists and bureaucrats because the former often has to pay their own way. I agree that it will never get past congress unless the other countries have all just rolled over to all US demands.

                  Wayne Mapp says we cant see the draft because of confidentiality so parties can bargain without their positions being known.

                  However if the US is tapping Merkel’s phone I rather think they know exactly what position EVERY party to the TPPA hold.

                • have to agree with hooten here..it has just been a travel-ticket-bonanza/trough for the assorted players/paper-pushers..

                  ..and it is mired in going-nowhere-land..

                  http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/wikileaks-publishes-the-inte.html

                  “..The treaty is reportedly at a “negotiated stalemate” thanks to the US Trade Rep, who has refused to bend on treaty provisions that other nations objected to..”

                  ‘negotiated-stalemate’ sounds good to me..

                  phillip ure..

                • Rogue Trooper

                  you get a diversion

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1.1.2

            I suggest translating it into a word doc if possible, then edit out everything but the NZ positions. I’m looking forward to the analyses too.

      • muzza 1.1.2

        Hooton, you were jogging on the spot with that response weren’t you eh!

        Time will tell the story ot Tiny Tim and his powers of negotiation, albeit the corporate media will have used their powers, not to mentioned their paid tools, such as yourself Matthew, to re-write history, and sell the propaganda to the hobbits, as is the way of this world, however the point remains…

        Using Tim Groser as the central figure for an article to give credence to expose the disgraceful actions of the NAT MP’s, is hypocritical!

        This article could have stood on its own merit, without quoting TPPA sellout, and self promoter on the globalists world tour using taxpayers funds, Tiny Timmy Groser.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.2.1

          This could be interesting: who would you back to actually read through the TPPA draft, analyse the NZ position(s) and accurately summarise it all?

          Hollow Hooten, or Muzza the tiresome cretin?

          It’s a fascinating document. Actually it’s a lot of documents, all depending on which country’s views you pick.

  2. Bill Drees 2

    Tau Henare, Jamie Lee Ross, Gerry Browlee and Bill English: what have they in common that they choose to deny the impact of humanity on the climate?

    They all believe that the right of the individual to exploit that which they own/control are a superior right to the right of the collective to manage society and the environment for the benefit of all.

    They have the same attitude towards employment, health, schooling issues as they have towards climate change.

    Tau Henare, Jamie Lee Ross, Gerry Browlee and Bill English are that mean boy in the school-yard that upon finding some mis-laid item they like would pocket it and say “finders keeper, losers weepers”

  3. Ennui 3

    I watched the disgusting performance by Tau and others on the news….then reflected as cars drove up the street belching CO2, “what the hell, the habits of a lifetime from all of us is being threatened by the whole concept of climate change”. Reading Cluborlov this week was instructive of the psychology behind the abuse of Russell Norman.

    And the reason collapse is an unacceptable topic of discussion if it relates to us, in the present or the foreseeable future, is that the moment you mention it, the topic stops being it, or us; the topic becomes you. What is wrong with you, why are you collapsing, and is it contagious? (Actually, just go away anyway, because you are probably bad luck.) This society operates on a combination of conformism and one-upmanship. Collapse as reality is nonconformist—in a society that worships success it is seen as defeatist and unpatriotic. It is also noncompetitive—because who on earth would want to buy it? “After all, who wants to hear that their very identity—the industrially civilized ego they have built throughout their entire lives, the ego that defines who they are—is, well, dying?”

    Carolyn Baker on http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.nz/

  4. TightyRighty 4

    No labour mp’s at all booed the commie Aussie? It was all national?

    The only disgraceful performance was the commie Aussie trying to make political gain from a natural disaster. The Filipino isn’t even a scientist, just a vested interest negotiator. But because his views align with the commie Aussie, he’s temporarily useful. Wonder what the Filipinos views on the tppa are?

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 4.1

      I love the way Norman makes wingnuts froth at the mouth.

    • Not a PS Staffer 4.2

      Tighty
      The job of a politician is to be political in order to achieve gains. That is why they are called politicians….

      • framu 4.2.1

        heh – its like complaining that labour were doing to much social engineering – when thats pretty much the job description for govt

      • TightyRighty 4.2.2

        just the commie aussie trying to make political gains in parliament on this one. typical aussie white trash, completely inappropriate behaviour for the occasion. Cunliffe and Key kept it dignified, why couldn’t wuss?

    • framu 4.3

      “the commie Aussie”

      exactly how old are you?

      its pretty damn pathetic for a grown adult to repeatedly use such childish language and think they are being funny, clever or appropriate

    • Tracey 4.4

      “The Philippines is not yet ready to join the international free-trade agreement known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the head of the Trade Department said Wednesday.

      “We can pursue it, but is it wise to lobby for it? Let’s just wait until we’re ready. We’re not going to actively pursue negotiations for us to join. It can be distracting and we have no resources for it,” Trade Secretary Gregory L. Domingo told reporters.” April 2013

      • David Tong 4.4.1

        Yeb is from Tacloban, the worst hit city. He has friends and family amongst the missing and dead. His brother spent much of the last few days tending to corpses, as Tacloban digs its first mass grave.

      • David Tong 4.4.2

        Yeb is from Tacloban, the worst hit city. He has friends and family amongst the missing and dead. His brother spent much of the last few days tending to corpses, as Tacloban digs its first mass grave.

    • Tracey 4.5

      The Philippines’ lead climate change negotiator Yeb Saño, who happened to be at the United Nations climate summit in Poland as the typhoon hit…

      So not “the Filipino” but a government appointed climate change negotiator.

    • Rogue Trooper 4.6

      a bit of bile went into that one TR

  5. TightyRighty 5

    I love the way lefties always divert attention away when their argument gets rogered.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1

      What argument, Tighty? You made a series of spittle-flecked assertions that reveal lots about you and say nothing whatsoever about Russell Norman.

  6. King Kong 6

    Maybe next time the Israeli’s take out a crap load of Palestinians, Russell can stand in Parliament and start quoting M*in K*mpf.

    Bout time he headed home and started trying to sort of the Australian response to climate change. NZ are full bushed, dream catcher owning hippies by comparison.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1

      Go wild, guys, let it all out.

      The wingnuts are lining up to out-froth one another :D

      • King Kong 6.1.1

        His political grandstanding on the back of thousands of dead Filipinos was crass and vulgar…but what do you expect when you let an Aussie into your house.

        If they could have kept Turei out of the tuck shop long enough I am sure she would have told him that it was in terrible taste.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1

          The National Party in full rhetorical flight. I shouldn’t encourage public incontinence, but please, do go on.

      • Pascal's bookie 6.1.2

        Norman touched a nerve all right.

        • King Kong 6.1.2.1

          It’s funny that you haven’t noticed put people tend to get a bit tetchy when you behave like a gigantic douche bag.

          • Pascal's bookie 6.1.2.1.1

            Yeah you keep saying that. But I’ve yet to see anyone explain why, exactly, what he said was so outrageous.

            As far as I can tell, ya’ll are upset because he made skeptics feel bad, as they should.

            • King Kong 6.1.2.1.1.1

              Just days after thousands had died he pretty much said that if they drove a car, bought manufactured good or had lights in their house, they had it coming to them.

              • Pascal's bookie

                ‘Pretty much’ I’m guessing means ‘didn’t’.

                Quoted the part where he pretty much said that and prove me wrong.

                • King Kong

                  He asserted that the storm that killed them was definitely and irrefutably caused by climate change. What causes climate change? cars, manufacturing, energy production… ergo if any of these Filipinos were helping cause climate change with their behaviours…they had it coming.

                  • framu

                    “ergo if any of these Filipinos were helping cause climate change with behaviours, they had it coming.”

                    yes but thats you adding that bit on

                    • King Kong

                      It is exactly the point the that Russ implied.

                    • weka

                      AGW is a collective responsibility. If the Filipinos stopped all of their carbon emissions that wouldn’t stop them from being affected by AGW. This is why people like Norman don’t believe what you just said, that’s your shit in your limited mind. Your logic is ideologically skewed, and environmentally, socially and scientifically daft.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Yep. But unfortunately we have an economic system which demands maximisation of energy use, consumption and therefore AGW. We’re pretty much stuffed unless we change everything, right down to our systems of accounting and business case methodology.

                    • King Kong

                      And let me guess CV, you are the once in a millennium genius who knows exactly what it should be replaced with.

                      I guess if Jesus was a carpenter why can’t our economic saviour be a masseuse.

                    • weka

                      Plenty of people know what needs to be done KK.

                      What’s less certain is why so many people think that when you find that your boat has sunk you can magic up another boat out of nothing instead of swimming for shore. The stupidity burns, literally.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      KK – sorry mate it has to be a collective effort.

                      You’re going to be hearing that word a lot more going forward, because the cult of the individual is slowly running out of time – as we run out of the oil which powers it.

                    • King Kong

                      So CV, is that one word of our new economic manifesto each or are we going to appoint a committee of those who know themselves to be fabulously insightful and gifted (your time to shine brother).

                      My experience, such that it is, has always shown that committees are terrific vehicles for delivering top notch, clearly thought out and concise results.

                    • i think kongy deserves/gets todays lycra-ripping-groin-stretcher-of-a-lie-award..

                      ..norman ‘implied’ nothing of the sort..

                      ..norman quoted…he didn’t imply…

                      ..kongy must be squeezingly-angry..eh..?

                      ..to make this shit up..

                      ..phillip ure..

                    • rhinocrates

                      Wow, this is quite fun. I never thought of ape-baiting as a sport until now, but the thing about reactionaries is, well, that they react – they simply can’t help themselves.

                      I really shouldn’t be amused – I sincerely disapprove of cruelty to animals, but I can’t help but chuckle.

                      Do you get it KK? You’re not an irritant, you’re an amusement.

                    • Martin

                      We all have it coming too, including you. Most won’t realise iteven when that tornado whacks them round the ears or that floods starts fillinging their sinuses and mouths with water.

                      We all have profited from the drivers of civilization and now we are seeing payback time. ou can vote National or whatever you like. Climate change is locked in and the inertia will drive it until we go extinct and way beyond.
                      Got it?

                      If we wanted to make a difference 30-40 years back was the time to start not now.
                      If that is too disturbing or unpleasant, tough!

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    I asked for a quote KK. You give me your reckonings and feral inferations.

                    He quoted a speech that said these things are examples of what the world is heading for more of, and that we should pay attention to them. he didn’t say they had it coming.

                    That was just you being a giant fucking douche.

                    • King Kong

                      So because nobody has been aware of climate change it is not the Filipinos fault this time but now that Ginge has made everybody aware of it…then next time its on you.

                    • weka

                      If anyone is to blame it’s you KK. The rest of us have been wanting to take action to mitigate AGW for some time now. You, and people that think like you, are the ones causing the problem now.

                    • King Kong

                      I never realised that you were all so polite.

                      If I was sure that the building was on fire and there were people milling around by the doors who didn’t think so, It is unbelievable to think I would hang around and fry waiting for them to leave.

                      Unless of course I didn’t really think that the building was on fire but just wanted to cause a panic in order to rob the other patrons.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      That’s a word salad.

                      What I want is the quote from Norman’s speech where he said what you claimed he said.

                      But you can’t , because you are just angry that he hurt your feelings when you were feeling good about being pious.

                    • weka

                      You really don’t get the global bit of AGW do you.

                      We can’t get out of the burning building unless we do so collectively. So dumb fucks like you who aren’t merely milling round the exits but are actively blocking them are responsible for all our deaths.

                      I know that you are all about the personal responsibility, so tell me this, if you did believe in AGW, where exactly do you think you could go if you made it out of the building under your own steam?

                    • King Kong

                      That is total leftie bollocks. It’s always the most important thing in the world…but someone else has to take the action.

                      If you clowns actually owned this stuff, people might start to take you more seriously.

                      In answer to the second part of your question…Mad Max style apocalypse.

                    • weka

                      But I am doing something KK, many things. As are most of the other people I know who take this seriously. So I’m not asking you to take action and me to do nothing, I’m asking you to take action with the rest of us. You thinking that I just suggested that only you take action is total righty bollocks. Not to mention comprehension fail.

                      Running out of arguments are we? How about answering Pb’s request then?

                      “In answer to the second part of your question…Mad Max style apocalypse.”

                      Ah, so now we have it. You would prefer to live in a world of brutality as long as you’re all right jack. Which I guess explains why you won’t take AGW seriously. You’re having a bet each way.

                    • framu

                      no – whats bollocks is your building analogy and you thinking that your opinion of what someone said is the same thing as what they said

                      would you like a shovel for that big hole of stupid your digging?

                      \note: its not that i disagree with you – its that your not making a lot of sense and completely avoiding where people point that out

                    • King Kong

                      “and you thinking that your opinion of what someone said is the same thing as what they said”

                      Just like when Key said “we aren’t giving the Pike river families a payout on behalf of the company because it will set a precedent and the potential for inequality in the way Govt treats victims of terrible accidents” and David Cunliffe implies that to mean that Govt couldn’t give a shit about the Pike River victims families?

                    • weka

                      Is that you agreeing that you were wrong?

                    • King Kong

                      Only if that’s you saying you are in love with me.

                    • weka

                      Another logic fail then. Are you going to keep this up all day?

                    • King Kong

                      No, I have meetings this arvo but I will give it one last try…

                      If you stand up in a period that has been set aside for passing on condolences to the victims of a natural disaster (exactly what all speakers from the other parties did) and you use it to go on a rant about climate change, how is that not blaming the victims for their own demise (for the reasons I stated above)?

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Because words have meanings that’s why.

                      If you could quote the words he used that imply what you reckon he was saying, it would be a great help.

                    • weka

                      Yeah, we’ve been through this already several times KK. You heard blame because of some shit in your head. It’s not what Norman said.

                    • BLiP

                      Here’s how its really done, and this is what a real speaker looks like . . .

                      http://youtu.be/XDtClJYJBj8

              • Rogue Trooper

                did he really KK

            • infused 6.1.2.1.1.2

              Then you’re retarded.

            • Redrobin 6.1.2.1.1.3

              “As far as I can tell, ya’ll are upset because he made skeptics feel bad, as they should.”

              Thought Police here we come…

          • framu 6.1.2.1.2

            Then stop behaving like a giant fucking douche bag

            you know – if you dropped the rape minimisation, racism, name calling and general arsehole-ness you put out you might have something worth saying

            your so consistantly offensive on any given subject you really dont have any right to be getting upset here

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 6.1.3

        The wingnuts are lining up to out-froth one another

        Aren’t they, just:

        http://thestandard.org.nz/groser-says-govt-ministers-in-denial-of-reality/#comment-727924

    • karol 6.2

      Russell

      Would this be Russell Crowe? Amazing as to who gets claimed as Kiwis and who isn’t, depending on the perspective of the claimer.

      And the muddled and unintentionally ironic reference to MK, boggles the mind.

      • King Kong 6.2.1

        So the fact he doesn’t spell his name like every other Russell in the world is the best you’ve got.

        As it goes, I knew he only has one “L” but the spelling auto correct changed it. Even the dictionary thinks it’s twatish.

        • Pascal's bookie 6.2.1.1

          Considering the best you’ve got is ‘go home to aussie’ and some crap about your german mate, I’d say the Russel thing was pretty much a round one knock out.

        • karol 6.2.1.2

          No, my point still stands however the names are written. Russel Norman shows way more commitment to the future of NZ than the likes of Russell Crowe.

          The whole labeling of Norman as a “Commie Aussie” is just a diversion and has no relevance to the issue.

  7. BLiP 7

    . . . So, what does Key think? Does he agree with Tim Groser that only someone who is “in denial of reality” denies man-made climate change? Or does he agree with Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet? Or with Brownlee, English, and Ross, who clearly are deniers but lack the guts to say it . . .

    Its very difficult to know exactly what John Key thinks. He is on record as having said:

    I firmly believe in climate change and always have

    . . . yep, you guessed, its another John Key lie.

  8. photonz1 8

    The International Panel on Climate Change says –

    “In its most recent assessment on global warming the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found there were no identifiable long term trends when comes to tropical cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons.”

    Russel Norman says Climate Change will mean more tropical storms.

    When it comes to the science, who is the denialist – Russel Norman or the IPCC?

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      No links as usual mate? Making stuff up as usual, mate?

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1

        Links, you want:

        IPCC AR5

        http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_Chapter02.pdf

        2.6.3

        Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century and it remains uncertain whether any reported long-term increases in tropical cyclone frequency are robust, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.

          • Pascal's bookie 8.1.1.1.1

            To be fair, that link might not be of the same quality as ‘some dude writing in the Daily Telegraph’ like the one DPF used, but it’s probably better.

        • weka 8.1.1.2

          Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century and it remains uncertain whether any reported long-term increases in tropical cyclone frequency are robust, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.

          Haven’t read that in context, but on the face of it aren’t they saying they don’t know?

          • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.1

            But Russel does.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.1.1

              I’m never sure how this works. If you don’t agree with the IPCC’s findings you are a denier. Unless you are Russel Norman.

              • Macro

                http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/tornado/2012/ann/tornado-counts-0112-2012.png

                now of course this is only the US….

                and we don’t want to cause alarm amongst the populace….

                but that graph would indicate a trend would it not??

                • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                  Fuck, marco. You think maybe the IPCC didn’t know about your graph? Maybe they’re not doing a very good job.

                  • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                    Gormy picks cherries,
                    Dumps mendacious litany,
                    Jaw is flapping too.

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Hey OAK, if you don’t like something in the report, don’t take it up with me. I didn’t write it. Your problem’s with the IPCC.

                      And you know it’s not cherry picking. It’s quoting.

                    • Macro

                      Yes it is quoting – but then the fact remains that the timeframe for the drafting of the report means that a lot of new results and findings are not included. Since the cut-off for AR5, the literature has moved somewhat towards expecting more tropical cyclones and more intense storms as warming progresses.

                      The IPCC reports are by nature conservative in their content – they have to be to gain the consensus from many people with many barrows to push. That unfortunately does not always lead to the correct answer nor to full extent of the situation. A real expert in Hurricanes Dr Jeff Masters has this to say:

                      “A remarkable warming of the sub-surface Pacific waters east of the Philippines in recent decades, due to a shift in atmospheric circulation patterns and ocean currents that began in the early 1990s, could be responsible for the rapid intensification of Super Typhoon Haiyan. Hurricanes are heat engines, which means they take heat energy out of the ocean, and convert it to kinetic energy in the form of wind. It’s well-known that tropical cyclones need surface water temperatures of at least 26.5°C (80°F) to maintain themselves, and that the warmer the water, and the deeper the warm water is, the stronger the storm can get. Deep warm water is important, since as a tropical cyclone tracks over the ocean, it stirs up cooler water from the depths, potentially reducing the intensity of the storm. When both Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita exploded into Category 5 hurricanes as they crossed over a warm eddy in the Gulf of Mexico with a lot of deep, warm water, the concept of the total heat energy available to fuel a hurricane–the Tropical Cyclone Heat Potential (TCHP)–became one that gained wide recognition. The Pacific Ocean east of the Philippines has the largest area of deep, warm water of anywhere on Earth, and these waters have historically fueled the highest incidence of Category 5 storms of anywhere on the planet. Super Typhoon Haiyan tracked over surface waters that were of near-average warmth, 29.5 – 30.5°C (85 – 87°F.) However, the waters at a depth of 100 meters (328 feet) beneath Haiyan during its rapid intensification phase were a huge 4 – 5°C (7 – 9°F) above average, judging by an analysis of October average ocean temperatures from the Japan Meteorological Agency (Figure 1.) As the typhoon stirred this unusually warm water to the surface, the storm was able to feed off the heat, allowing Haiyan to intensify into one of the strongest tropical cyclones ever observed.”

                      http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2579

                      It is also of note that 90% of global heating is going into the oceans and a large proportion of that is ending up in the deeper oceans

          • Draco T Bastard 8.1.1.2.2

            Yes, that’s what it means. Logically though, an increase in energy in the ecosphere must result in larger and more damaging storms. It’s just a question of when and how long before the statistics show it.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.2.1

              Well, maybe until then, Russel and his mates should stop making shit up.

              • Rogue Trooper

                fore-warned is fore-armed.

                • weka

                  Nah, we should just wait until we’re on fire before we do anything.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I don’t think that there will be any truly effective solutions implemented in time so we have to hold on for the ride.

                    • weka

                      Anything we can do will help. I reckon we should keep trying. In this sense KK kind of has a point. Why haven’t we taken to the streets yet?

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Maybe reducing greenhouse emissions will stop all the other stuff that global warming has not been proved to be causing while we’re at it. Maybe it’s causing the All Whites to be shit. And One Anonymous Knucklehead to be such a misanthrope.

              • Draco T Bastard

                Did you read the link from PB? The statistics already show such an increase.

        • Rogue Trooper 8.1.1.3

          motivated today G.

  9. jaymam 9

    “Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet” – I think we need to get the actual quote from Craig. I suspect he is quoting the few scientists who theorise that the orbits of the planets affect sunspots.

    This paper in Nature says “The Sun’s magnetic activity varies cyclically over a period of about 11 years. An analysis of a new, temporally extended proxy record of this activity hints at a possible planetary influence on the amplitude of the cycle.”:
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7434/full/493613a.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20130131

    However most scientists don’t believe that. I don’t believe the effect is significant either! But we do know that sunspots affect climate. And the changing orbit of the Earth around the sun has by far the biggest effect on climate, and causes huge temperature swings around every 100,000 years, if you look at the ice core studies.

  10. Madame Defarge 10

    Come the revolution, I’d spare Tim Groser, only because a) he at least recognises the value of teaching Te Reo early in the life of all New Zealanders. If they chose not to pursue that later in life – at high school – then that is their prerogative. And b) he has reasonably been consistent on the source on climate change – humanity.
    The rest of the Tory bastards, I’d flog, then send off to the guillotine!! Absolute charlatans, liars and scoundrels the lot of them. “Off with their heads!!”

  11. Pascal's bookie 11

    Fresh polling from the US

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/13/climate-change-red-state-opinion-america-study?CMP=twt_gu

    “To me, the most striking finding that is new today was that we could not find a single state in the country where climate scepticism was in the majority”

  12. weka 12

    King Kong,

    “His political grandstanding on the back of thousands of dead Filipinos was crass and vulgar…but what do you expect when you let an Aussie into your house.”

    Some of us couldn’t quite follow KK’s logic this morning, so let’s go to the Philippines’ govt itself –

    Today the Philippines climate change chief, Yeb Sano, was saluting Mr Norman via Twitter, offering his “deepest appreciation for his heart-warming gesture”.

    The gesture – recounting Mr Sano’s speech – was slammed by National MPs because it was made during time set aside to honour typhoon victims.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Norman-vindicated-by-Philippines-govt-tweet/tabid/1607/articleID/321218/Default.aspx

  13. aerobubble 13

    I was wondering, when a cat owner moves what do the cats in the area think? That Roger the cat died? Anyway, that reminds me of something Brownlee said today in parliament. When asked about roading investment, he replied that road users had fully funded it, that it would be a tax on car users to spend the investment on public transport. Now sure, if you ignore the facts, that taxation was directly purposed like that, which it is not (as many a pacifist re-military spending). If you ignore the fact that investing in more roads gives more choice to car users as opposed to other tax payers who don’t use cars (or would not if they had a choice) – and so make one culture of road use predominate which is highly inefficient use of roads paid for by all NZ over the decades (and restricts choice of car owners to switch modes). If you ignore the fact that increasing public transport removes cars from roads and so speeds up the network, and so only a dumb cat would argue that having more space to move was a tax.

    But hey Brownlee thought a fellow minister today was deluded when that minister failed to remember who was the NZ PM in 2008. Delusional front bench if you ask me. Its all about making NZ more inefficient, so National can sell off NZ to foreigners cheap.

  14. rhinocrates 14

    KK’s really having a meltdown today and damnit, I’m out of popcorn!

    • King Kong 14.1

      I would tell you to get yourself down to the shop but of course the Police Commissioner has surveillance set up out side your house in order to track your movements.

      • Rogue Trooper 14.1.1

        meanwhile you appear in a cage already.

      • fender 14.1.2

        Nah those pigs are in the drive-thru queue at McDonalds. Shave some fur from around your eyes, ape shit.

        • fappity 14.1.2.1

          Exactly how old are you?

          It’s pretty damn pathetic for a grown adult to repeatedly use such childish language and think they are being funny, clever or appropriate

          • Pascal's bookie 14.1.2.1.1

            If you say so, “fappity”

          • fender 14.1.2.1.2

            I’m 99, hence the slow reply.

            I don’t normally refer to them as pigs very often (if that’s what you refer to), but after seeing the outrage from the ghastly BM last time it was used I threw it in for his entertainment.

            But if it makes you unhappy fappity, I’m sorry :oops:

            • lprent 14.1.2.1.2.1

              Cool in all respects.. You just have to hit the ton (and beyond). My grandmother hit 99 and 7 months, but was a bit out of it for a number of years..

              I like the idea of a centurian blogger almost double my age capable of doing more than 1600 argued and often irreverant comments. There is hope for me keeping my brains as long as the arteries hold out.

              • fender

                Now I feel absurd for being so absurd! I’m a little less than half that, but I hope we and TS are still around in another fifty odd! Hope I don’t attract a ban for lying about my age, but I could protest that I meant I’m an agent…., agent 99!

            • Colonial Viper 14.1.2.1.2.2

              Actually 99?

              Like 99 years?

              I imagined half that…

              • fender

                And if we met you could win me over if you said I looked a third of that!

                Sorry mate I’m only 45…..going on 18 (mental age!) :twisted:

          • weka 14.1.2.1.3

            ‘Pigs’ is child language?

            I would have tagged it to the hippies. Or the Young Ones.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 14.1.3

        Cousin Ape, wingnuts have been running that “you’re just paranoid” line since Jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple.

        Haven’t you got an original thought to save yourself? Have a banana.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 14.2

      Loving your access to the higher echelons of the establishment Rhino. Ignore the jealous monkey, he’ll just throw his poop at you.

  15. Royton De'Ath 15

    Thank Goodness KK and TGF are with us; fighting the fight that needs to be fought – hewing to their tumescent hind-brains, providing the tiny galvanizing squirts of bio-stuff that provide some flickering evidence of sentience.

    That AR5 quote showed ‘em, TGF; those demmed Bolsheviks should be running for cover now. Nothing like good dose of cold, hard quotes being shoved up them, eh?

    What about this for another dose of the AR5 that you so lovingly administer?

    ‘Time series of cyclone indices such as power dissipation, an aggregate compound of tropical cyclone frequency, duration, and intensity that measures total wind energy by tropical cyclones, show upward trends in the North Atlantic and weaker upward trends in the western North Pacific since the late 1970s … , but interpretation of longer-term trends is again constrained by data quality concerns …’

    And this summary should have the desired evacuative effect, emanating as it will from your self-administered enemas:

    ‘Confidence remains low for long-term (centennial) changes in tropical cyclone activity, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities. However, it is virtually certain that the frequency and intensity of the strongest tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic has increased since the 1970s.’

    Let’s hope (wink, wink) that the bolshies don’t notice the obviously understated, conservative, nature of the conclusions reached by the World Government Boffins. But, you will be sure, we are sure, that the virtual certainty about cyclonic activity in the NA, will have no relevance to anywhere else ‘cos, like, it’s like, “several streets over”, sort of analogy thing.

    And let’s hope that the data issues aren’t sorted out, because then They’ll try to find out things, like, you know … confirm trends of cyclonic intensity and/or frequency in the NP … or something. That rotten super typhoon may just make Them do just that. They’re such rotters.

    And that boxer/congressman/hero is really, really, really helping out:

    ‘His status as a national hero in the Philippines meant Pacquiao considered leaving the training camp to help relief efforts, but Roach said it was too close to the fight to alter preparations.
    “It’s way too close to the fight, he needs to double down,” Roach said, although he granted his fighter much of Wednesday off, giving him the chance to help out remotely.’
    (13/11/13)

    Gosh. Now, that’s real dedication …

    Such wonderfully little treasures of rationality and humanity.

  16. xtasy 16

    National Party position: “The earth is flat, as we can only see as far as the tip of our noses, and there is no detectable evidence that disproves our position!”

    “Also is the earth the centre of the universe, as God created us out of clay and we must be the centre for that mere fact!” “Hence it MUST be REAL that the sun revolves around earth, rather than the opposite, as the tip of our noses tell us such.”

    “Climate is changeable due to sun spot activity, rotation moves of planets and the imaginations of fallible minds prone to perception of any ideas.”

    “Signed by John Key, and agreed to by Colin Cringe (da Craig)”.

  17. Ok this is so chardonnay of me, but Jami Lee Ross? Never trust a man on a parliamentary salary who still seems to buy his suits and ties at Tommy Gun.

  18. captain hook 18

    cut to the chase and the climate science denialists (who hoo) are just greedy pigs who imagine that the world was put here for them to eat their lunch on and trash as they see fit.
    The ones in the National party are comming more and more to resemble the nasties in a marvel comic or a dennis wheatley novel who think tha the dark lord is going to reward them for their allegiance but no he will swallow them whole too.
    And all their flash hotels and golf clubs and legions of arse lickers and menial myrmidons will not save them.

  19. Lloyd 19

    I suppose those persons who disparage Russell Norman because he came from Australia are quite happy for New Zealand citizens to pay taxes in Australia specifically linked to social welfare kiwis can’t receive due to anti-kiwi laws? After all none of us here in New Zealand are migrants or descendants of migrants are we? We all know that migrants should be shunned, banned, ignored and banished to the gulags, don’t we?

    I also assume the climate deniers are frogs sitting in slowly warming water denying its is getting warmer until they get cooked….

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    If John Key is serious about tackling child poverty he must approach it with an open mind, and overcome his ideological block to raising incomes as a solution, the Green Party said today.Papers released to Radio New Zealand today show...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Pentagon links climate change and terrorism
    Yesterday the Pentagon launched a plan to deal with a threat that “poses immediate risks to national security”; one that “will affect the Department of Defense’s ability to defend the nation”. It wasn’t referring to Ebola or ISIS. It was...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Four Nominees for Labour’s Leadership
    As at 5pm today four valid nominations had been received for the position of Labour Leader, as follows: Andrew Little(nominated by Poto Williams and Iain Lees-Galloway) Nanaia Mahuta(nominated by Louisa Wall and Su’a William Sio) David Parker(nominated by Damien O’Connor...
    Labour | 14-10
  • Green Party calls for consultation over terrorism law changes
    The Green Party has today written to the Prime Minister asking him to engage in wider consultation prior to changing any laws as a result of the recently announced terrorism law reviews, said the Green Party today. In a letter...
    Greens | 14-10
  • MPI must name product and supermarket chain
    The Ministry of Primary Industries must name the product responsible for severe gastroenteritis affecting people around the country, and the supermarket chain distributing it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “The Ministry seems to be more concerned about protecting...
    Labour | 13-10
  • John Key dishonest about reasons for wanting to change terrorism law
    John Key is misleading the public to push through terrorism law changes under urgency, the Green Party said today. On Sunday, John Key stated that it is not illegal for someone to fight overseas for a terrorist group, such as...
    Greens | 12-10
  • Law changes shaping up to be worse than first thought
    The Prime Minister needs to be up front about exactly what changes he is planning to make to the Employment Relations  Amendment Bill, Labour's spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.Interviewed on Q&A yesterday John Key said he did not...
    Labour | 12-10
  • Rapists, not Tinder, the threat to women
    Blame for rape and sexual assault should only ever be laid at the door of the perpetrator, not dating services or the actions of women themselves, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “Tinder is not the problem and women...
    Labour | 09-10
  • Safer Journeys For People Who Cycle
    You have a rare opportunity to tell the people who are making the decisions on cycling how to make it better. The Cycling Safety Panel is seeking feedback on their draft recommendations for improving the safety of cycling in New...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Subsidising more pollution will undermine water clean-up plan at Te Waihora...
    In 2010, NIWA found Canterbury’s Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere had the worst nutrient status of 140 lakes around New Zealand that it measured. In 2011, the National Government committed to spending $15 million across the country through the Fresh Start for...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Adding value not herbicides
    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA to fight mass privatisation of state housing
    Announcements over the past 12 hours from the Minister responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English, and Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, make clear the government’s intention for the mass privatisation of state housing. This comes during the middle...
    Mana | 07-10
  • Journalists have right to protect sources
    Legal authorities must respect the right of journalist Nicky Hager to protect the source of his material for his Dirty Politics book under Section 68 of the Evidence Act, Acting Labour Leader David Parker says. “It is crucial in an...
    Labour | 06-10
  • It shouldn’t take the Army to house the homeless
    National’s move to speed up its state house sell-off shows it is bankrupt of new ideas, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “National has been in office for six years, yet the housing crisis has got worse every month and...
    Labour | 06-10
  • Government must lift social housing supply, not shuffle the deck chairs
    National's decision to shift the state provision of housing to third parties is a smokescreen for the Government decreasing the provision of affordable housing, the Green Party said today."What National should be doing is increasing the supply of both social...
    Greens | 06-10
  • Election 2014 – the final count
    While we have to wait for the final booth level counts we can now see how well we did in the specials and look at electorate level data. First off special votes (and disallowed/recounted votes etc). There was a change...
    Greens | 06-10
  • We need more houses, not Ministers
    The Government’s decision to have three housing Ministers will create a dog’s breakfast of the portfolio and doesn’t bode well for fixing the country’s housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “New Zealanders need more houses, not more Ministers....
    Labour | 05-10
  • MANA’S CHALLENGE TO THE 51st PARLIAMENT
    Ten years ago I led 50,000 Maori on the historic FORESHORE AND SEABED MARCH from Te Rerenga Wairua to the very steps of this parliament, in a march against the greatest land grab in the history of this country –...
    Mana | 03-10
  • Is this really necessary?
    No one denies chief executives should be well paid for their skills and experience, but it is the efforts of all employees which contribute to company profits, Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker says. “Salaries paid to chief executives come at...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Lyttelton Port workers also deserve pay rises
    Hard slog by Lyttelton Port workers contributed to strong financial growth for the company and they deserve to be rewarded for their work as much as its chief executive, says Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker. “Lyttelton Port chief executive Peter...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Māori Party must seek guarantees on Māori seats
    Labour is calling on the Māori Party to ensure protection of the Māori seats is part of its coalition deal with National which is being considering this weekend, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “For the third consecutive term,...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Donaghys job losses another blow to Dunedin
    The loss of 30 jobs from Donaghys rope and twine factory is yet another blow to the people and economy of Dunedin, says Dunedin South Labour MP Clare Curran. “Donaghys was founded in 1876; the company has survived two world...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Dairy price fall shows urgent need to diversify
    The overnight drop in milk prices shows New Zealand’s overreliance on the dairy industry puts our economy in a vulnerable position, says Acting Labour Leader David Parker. “Dairy prices fell 7.3 per cent overnight and have almost halved since February....
    Labour | 02-10
  • Tasks aplenty for new Health Minister
    One of the first jobs for the new Minister of Health must be to provide an honest and transparent report into surgery waiting times and exactly how many Kiwis are not having their health needs met, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette...
    Labour | 02-10
  • About Curwen Ares Rolinson
    Curwen Ares Rolinson – Curwen Ares Rolinson is a firebrand young nationalist presently engaged in acts of political resistance deep behind enemy lines amidst the leafy boughs of Epsom. He is affiliated with the New Zealand First Party; although his...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kelly Ellis
    Kelly Ellis.Kelly Ellis – As a child, Kelly Ellis didn’t so much fall into the cracks, but willfully wriggled her way into them. Ejected from Onslow College – a big job in the 70s – Kelly worked in car factories,...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kate Davis
    Kate Davis.Kate Davis – Having completed her BA in English and Politics, Kate is now starting her MA. Kate works as a volunteer advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty and previously worked for the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Kate writes...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Parker does a Shearer – oh for a Labour Leader who can challenge msm fals...
    Sigh. It seems David Parker has done a Shearer… Like a cult and too red – Parker on LabourLabour leadership contender David Parker says Labour borders on feeling like “a cult” and must look at its branding – including its...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • A brief word on the hundreds of millions NZ is spending on the secret intel...
    The enormity of the mass surveillance state NZ Government’s have built carries a huge price tag… Kiwis pay $103m ‘membership fee’ for spyingThe $103 million taxpayer funding of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies is effectively a membership fee for joining the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Where. Is. Jason. Ede?
    Where. Is. Jason. Ede?...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Labour’s Din of Inequity
    Watching Labour’s leadership candidates on Q+A on Sunday, I noticed the ongoing use of terms like “opportunity” and “aspiration”, and “party of the workers”. What do these mean? We glean much from Labour, and from the media about Labour, but not...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • “Blue-Greenwash” fails the test when it comes to endangered dolphins
    National’s pre-election promises saw some wins for the environment – perhaps as the party sought to appease its “Blue-Green” voters and broaden its popular appeal. Some of the ecological gains were a long time in the making, overdue even– such...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Reasons not to be cheerful, Part #272b
    Why don’t you get back into bed? The next few years — the rest of this century — are not going to be pretty. There is an obvious disconnect between any remaining political ambition to fix climate change and the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Labour and ‘special interests’
    The media narrative of Labour is that it is unpopular because it’s controlled by ‘special interests’. This ‘special interests’ garbage is code for gays, Maoris, wimin and unionists. We should show that argument the contempt it deserves. The next Labour...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Ru...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Tahi) . National’s housing development project: ‘Gateway’ to confusion . Perhaps nothing better illustrates National’s lack of a coherent housing programme than the ‘circus’ that is...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Here’s what WINZ are patronisingly saying to people on welfare when they ...
    Yesterday, a case manager from WINZ called to tell me that I needed to “imagine what I would do if I did not have welfare”. I replied “Well, I guess if I couldn’t live at home, I would be homeless.”...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • David Shearer’s ‘no feminist chicks’ mentality highlights all that is...
    Mr Nasty pays a visit Shearer’s extraordinary outburst last night on NZs favourite redneck TV, The Paul Henry Show, is a reminder of all that is wrong within the Labour Caucus right now… He said the current calls for a female or...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0
    Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – A Tale Of Two Cities
    Sunday was surreal. I went for a drive and ended up in a different country. It wasn’t intentional but those days of too many literally intertextual references seldom are. There is no doubt that the Sunday drive this week had...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Key raises terror threat level to justify war in Iraq and now the SIS need ...
    Have we learned nothing from rushing into war? It’s embarrassing Key has raised our terror threat from ‘very low’ to ‘low’ so he can justify military action in Iraq. Watching him pimp for an American war is as sick as...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Socialism? in France; Austerity in Europe
    On Sunday I stumbled upon this recent New York Times column The Fall of France by Paul Krugman. Then I caught BBC’s Newsnight interview with France’s ‘Socialist’ Prime Minister Manuel Valls. Krugman notes that the Socialists came to power on an anti-austerity mandate, but completely squandered their opportunity...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • So Snowden and Greenwald were right – again – NZ Embassies spying for A...
    Well, well, well. What do we have here… NZ embassies involved in covert intelligence work for US – reportsNew Zealand’s embassies have been involved in covert intelligence gathering work on behalf of the United States, a fresh batch of classified...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Why David Parker *isn’t* a credible choic...
    The one electoral contest this year that a Labour leader is sure to win heated up over the weekend with the late entry of Finance Spokesman (and interim caretaker leader) David Parker into Labour’s leadership race. I’d blogged late last...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • DIA undercover investigation leads to jailing
    An undercover Internal Affairs investigation has led to a Hastings man being jailed for three and half years....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of Balibo Five
    Media Information: Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of journalist Gary Cunningham and the Balibo Five...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Australia and NZ actions on press freedoms alarming
    Global support for investigative journalism in Australia and New Zealand is a welcome response to law changes and a police raid, says the Pacific Freedom Forum...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call for release of French journalists in West Papua
    West Papua Action Auckland, the EPMU Print and Media Council and the NZ Media Freedom Network call on the Minister of Foreign Affairs to speak out in support of the two French TV journalists whose trial has just begun in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Court of Appeal: Dotcom v 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
    A The appeal is dismissed. B The 20 August 2014 order of the High Court dealing with confidentiality and the 29 August 2014 order of this Court dealing with confidentiality are set aside. C The confidentiality orders set out in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Glassons Blasted For Glamourising Animal Cruelty
    Clothing brand Glassons have found themselves embroiled in another controversy after launching a new advert featuring a girl riding a bull. Animal advocacy organisation SAFE have asked them to remove the ad immediately as it glamourises animal cruelty....
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet
    Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet Federated Farmers Bee Industry Group applauds the tough line taken by Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) Border Staff at Auckland Airport. In deporting the couple found trying to smuggle bee products...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Taxpayers’ Union Responds to Joyce on Corporate Welfare
    Responding to Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce’s defence of corporate welfare , Jim Rose, the author of Monopoly Money , a Taxpayers Union report on corporate welfare since 2008, says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
    “The fossil fuel industry is the biggest threat to our very existence as Pacific Islanders. We stand to lose our homes, our communities and our culture. But we are fighting back. This coming Friday thirty Pacific Climate Warriors, joined by...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
    Simple steps could dramatically reduce the number of accidents involving tourists, says the car review website dogandlemon.com ....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • RainbowYOUTH: 25 Years, 25 More
    In 1989, a group of young people in Auckland got together to form a support group for LGBTIQ youth. They called it Auckland Lesbian And Gay Youth (ALGY). After 25 years, several location changes, a name change, a brand reboot...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Outdated Oath shows need for Kiwi Head of State
    MPs are sworn in today and New Zealand Republic has written to MPs asking them to talk about why 121 New Zealanders elected by the people of New Zealand and standing in the New Zealand Parliament swear allegiance to another...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Council shouldn’t revenue grab from windfall valuations
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    Scoop politics | 17-10
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    Scoop politics | 17-10
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    Scoop politics | 17-10
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    Scoop politics | 16-10
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    Scoop politics | 16-10
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    Scoop politics | 16-10
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    Scoop politics | 16-10
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    Scoop politics | 16-10
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    Scoop politics | 16-10
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    Scoop politics | 16-10
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