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Groser says govt ministers in denial of reality

Written By: - Date published: 7:25 am, November 14th, 2013 - 145 comments
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3news has shaken out hidden science denialists in National. This follows the disgraceful booing of Russel Norman by National MPs who did not want to hear him ‘inappropriately’ quote a Filipino official attributing the typhoon to climate change at a time apparently meant for empty platitudes. Meanwhile, the Filipino official that Norman was quoting has written to thank him.

Turns out our transport and finance ministers are climate science denialists, as is some loser called Jami Lee Ross (this is the chump who got landed with the failed strikebreakers’ private members’ bill, which even Key didn’t agree with). Climate Minister Tim Groser says “you would have to be in denial of reality” to think that way.

So, what does Key think? Does he agree with Tim Groser that only someone who is “in denial of reality” denies man-made climate change? Or does he agree with Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet? Or with Brownlee, English, and Ross, who clearly are deniers but lack the guts to say it. And when will National have the guts to come out as the party for science deniers that it is?

145 comments on “Groser says govt ministers in denial of reality”

  1. muzza 1

    How is quoting Tim Groser helping to make this articles primary discussion point, credible?

    Tiny Tim is doing he darn best to ensure that this country and what is left of the sovereignty ,is sold into the control of foreign corporate interests, and whatever strategy those globalists intend to operate with, once the TPPA is ratified.

    Using Tim as a crutch for this article, leaves a nasty taste!

    • Matthew Hooton 1.1

      I think the information on Wikileaks this morning suggests Groser has been doing quite the opposite to what you claim. See https://wikileaks.org/tpp/static/pdf/Wikileaks-secret-TPP-treaty-IP-chapter.pdf

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1

        You would have to comb through that document for a while before you could reach that conclusion with any degree of certainty.

        • karol 1.1.1.1

          Agreed, OAK. I looked at the NZ Herald article on it and thought it very conveniently made it look like the NZ government was standing up for the interest of all NZers.

          I like time to look at it, and more informed analyses of it.

          • Matthew Hooton 1.1.1.1.1

            Yep, that’s right. NICKY HAGER was “very conveniently” making it look like the government is standing up for the interests of all New Zealanders! The corporate media must have captured him now too!

            http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11156737

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1.1.1.1

              Hollow Hooten cites Nicky Hager :twisted:

            • karol 1.1.1.1.1.2

              The problem is that Groser and Key continue to say they are working in the interests of NZ and that a solution in favour of NZ sovereignty and people is possible. I am mistrustful of the role they have been playing in the negotiations, until I have time to look more closely at the evidence.

              As Jane Kelsey says, we need to see draft texts of all the chapters to have a clearer view of what is being negotiated. Curiously that Stuff article interprets the Wikileaks documents as showing “road blocks” and “snags” to the TPP: i.e. not insurmountable obstacles.

              • Matthew Hooton

                If you are opposed to TPP, you don’t need to worry. It will never happen. A free-trade deal of this nature will never get passed the US Congress, especially with Obama not having fast-track authority – and it is difficult to see how the free-traders like NZ and Singapore would ever finally agree with Japan and Canada. The whole TPP thing has become nothing more than a make-work and air-points scheme for bureaucrats, lobbyists and activists.

                • Tracey

                  activists ought not be included with lobbyists and bureaucrats because the former often has to pay their own way. I agree that it will never get past congress unless the other countries have all just rolled over to all US demands.

                  Wayne Mapp says we cant see the draft because of confidentiality so parties can bargain without their positions being known.

                  However if the US is tapping Merkel’s phone I rather think they know exactly what position EVERY party to the TPPA hold.

                • have to agree with hooten here..it has just been a travel-ticket-bonanza/trough for the assorted players/paper-pushers..

                  ..and it is mired in going-nowhere-land..

                  http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/wikileaks-publishes-the-inte.html

                  “..The treaty is reportedly at a “negotiated stalemate” thanks to the US Trade Rep, who has refused to bend on treaty provisions that other nations objected to..”

                  ‘negotiated-stalemate’ sounds good to me..

                  phillip ure..

                • Rogue Trooper

                  you get a diversion

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1.1.2

            I suggest translating it into a word doc if possible, then edit out everything but the NZ positions. I’m looking forward to the analyses too.

      • muzza 1.1.2

        Hooton, you were jogging on the spot with that response weren’t you eh!

        Time will tell the story ot Tiny Tim and his powers of negotiation, albeit the corporate media will have used their powers, not to mentioned their paid tools, such as yourself Matthew, to re-write history, and sell the propaganda to the hobbits, as is the way of this world, however the point remains…

        Using Tim Groser as the central figure for an article to give credence to expose the disgraceful actions of the NAT MP’s, is hypocritical!

        This article could have stood on its own merit, without quoting TPPA sellout, and self promoter on the globalists world tour using taxpayers funds, Tiny Timmy Groser.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.2.1

          This could be interesting: who would you back to actually read through the TPPA draft, analyse the NZ position(s) and accurately summarise it all?

          Hollow Hooten, or Muzza the tiresome cretin?

          It’s a fascinating document. Actually it’s a lot of documents, all depending on which country’s views you pick.

  2. Bill Drees 2

    Tau Henare, Jamie Lee Ross, Gerry Browlee and Bill English: what have they in common that they choose to deny the impact of humanity on the climate?

    They all believe that the right of the individual to exploit that which they own/control are a superior right to the right of the collective to manage society and the environment for the benefit of all.

    They have the same attitude towards employment, health, schooling issues as they have towards climate change.

    Tau Henare, Jamie Lee Ross, Gerry Browlee and Bill English are that mean boy in the school-yard that upon finding some mis-laid item they like would pocket it and say “finders keeper, losers weepers”

  3. Ennui 3

    I watched the disgusting performance by Tau and others on the news….then reflected as cars drove up the street belching CO2, “what the hell, the habits of a lifetime from all of us is being threatened by the whole concept of climate change”. Reading Cluborlov this week was instructive of the psychology behind the abuse of Russell Norman.

    And the reason collapse is an unacceptable topic of discussion if it relates to us, in the present or the foreseeable future, is that the moment you mention it, the topic stops being it, or us; the topic becomes you. What is wrong with you, why are you collapsing, and is it contagious? (Actually, just go away anyway, because you are probably bad luck.) This society operates on a combination of conformism and one-upmanship. Collapse as reality is nonconformist—in a society that worships success it is seen as defeatist and unpatriotic. It is also noncompetitive—because who on earth would want to buy it? “After all, who wants to hear that their very identity—the industrially civilized ego they have built throughout their entire lives, the ego that defines who they are—is, well, dying?”

    Carolyn Baker on http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.nz/

  4. TightyRighty 4

    No labour mp’s at all booed the commie Aussie? It was all national?

    The only disgraceful performance was the commie Aussie trying to make political gain from a natural disaster. The Filipino isn’t even a scientist, just a vested interest negotiator. But because his views align with the commie Aussie, he’s temporarily useful. Wonder what the Filipinos views on the tppa are?

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 4.1

      I love the way Norman makes wingnuts froth at the mouth.

    • Not a PS Staffer 4.2

      Tighty
      The job of a politician is to be political in order to achieve gains. That is why they are called politicians….

      • framu 4.2.1

        heh – its like complaining that labour were doing to much social engineering – when thats pretty much the job description for govt

      • TightyRighty 4.2.2

        just the commie aussie trying to make political gains in parliament on this one. typical aussie white trash, completely inappropriate behaviour for the occasion. Cunliffe and Key kept it dignified, why couldn’t wuss?

    • framu 4.3

      “the commie Aussie”

      exactly how old are you?

      its pretty damn pathetic for a grown adult to repeatedly use such childish language and think they are being funny, clever or appropriate

    • Tracey 4.4

      “The Philippines is not yet ready to join the international free-trade agreement known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the head of the Trade Department said Wednesday.

      “We can pursue it, but is it wise to lobby for it? Let’s just wait until we’re ready. We’re not going to actively pursue negotiations for us to join. It can be distracting and we have no resources for it,” Trade Secretary Gregory L. Domingo told reporters.” April 2013

      • David Tong 4.4.1

        Yeb is from Tacloban, the worst hit city. He has friends and family amongst the missing and dead. His brother spent much of the last few days tending to corpses, as Tacloban digs its first mass grave.

      • David Tong 4.4.2

        Yeb is from Tacloban, the worst hit city. He has friends and family amongst the missing and dead. His brother spent much of the last few days tending to corpses, as Tacloban digs its first mass grave.

    • Tracey 4.5

      The Philippines’ lead climate change negotiator Yeb Saño, who happened to be at the United Nations climate summit in Poland as the typhoon hit…

      So not “the Filipino” but a government appointed climate change negotiator.

    • Rogue Trooper 4.6

      a bit of bile went into that one TR

  5. TightyRighty 5

    I love the way lefties always divert attention away when their argument gets rogered.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1

      What argument, Tighty? You made a series of spittle-flecked assertions that reveal lots about you and say nothing whatsoever about Russell Norman.

  6. King Kong 6

    Maybe next time the Israeli’s take out a crap load of Palestinians, Russell can stand in Parliament and start quoting M*in K*mpf.

    Bout time he headed home and started trying to sort of the Australian response to climate change. NZ are full bushed, dream catcher owning hippies by comparison.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1

      Go wild, guys, let it all out.

      The wingnuts are lining up to out-froth one another :D

      • King Kong 6.1.1

        His political grandstanding on the back of thousands of dead Filipinos was crass and vulgar…but what do you expect when you let an Aussie into your house.

        If they could have kept Turei out of the tuck shop long enough I am sure she would have told him that it was in terrible taste.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1

          The National Party in full rhetorical flight. I shouldn’t encourage public incontinence, but please, do go on.

      • Pascal's bookie 6.1.2

        Norman touched a nerve all right.

        • King Kong 6.1.2.1

          It’s funny that you haven’t noticed put people tend to get a bit tetchy when you behave like a gigantic douche bag.

          • Pascal's bookie 6.1.2.1.1

            Yeah you keep saying that. But I’ve yet to see anyone explain why, exactly, what he said was so outrageous.

            As far as I can tell, ya’ll are upset because he made skeptics feel bad, as they should.

            • King Kong 6.1.2.1.1.1

              Just days after thousands had died he pretty much said that if they drove a car, bought manufactured good or had lights in their house, they had it coming to them.

              • Pascal's bookie

                ‘Pretty much’ I’m guessing means ‘didn’t’.

                Quoted the part where he pretty much said that and prove me wrong.

                • King Kong

                  He asserted that the storm that killed them was definitely and irrefutably caused by climate change. What causes climate change? cars, manufacturing, energy production… ergo if any of these Filipinos were helping cause climate change with their behaviours…they had it coming.

                  • framu

                    “ergo if any of these Filipinos were helping cause climate change with behaviours, they had it coming.”

                    yes but thats you adding that bit on

                    • King Kong

                      It is exactly the point the that Russ implied.

                    • weka

                      AGW is a collective responsibility. If the Filipinos stopped all of their carbon emissions that wouldn’t stop them from being affected by AGW. This is why people like Norman don’t believe what you just said, that’s your shit in your limited mind. Your logic is ideologically skewed, and environmentally, socially and scientifically daft.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Yep. But unfortunately we have an economic system which demands maximisation of energy use, consumption and therefore AGW. We’re pretty much stuffed unless we change everything, right down to our systems of accounting and business case methodology.

                    • King Kong

                      And let me guess CV, you are the once in a millennium genius who knows exactly what it should be replaced with.

                      I guess if Jesus was a carpenter why can’t our economic saviour be a masseuse.

                    • weka

                      Plenty of people know what needs to be done KK.

                      What’s less certain is why so many people think that when you find that your boat has sunk you can magic up another boat out of nothing instead of swimming for shore. The stupidity burns, literally.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      KK – sorry mate it has to be a collective effort.

                      You’re going to be hearing that word a lot more going forward, because the cult of the individual is slowly running out of time – as we run out of the oil which powers it.

                    • King Kong

                      So CV, is that one word of our new economic manifesto each or are we going to appoint a committee of those who know themselves to be fabulously insightful and gifted (your time to shine brother).

                      My experience, such that it is, has always shown that committees are terrific vehicles for delivering top notch, clearly thought out and concise results.

                    • i think kongy deserves/gets todays lycra-ripping-groin-stretcher-of-a-lie-award..

                      ..norman ‘implied’ nothing of the sort..

                      ..norman quoted…he didn’t imply…

                      ..kongy must be squeezingly-angry..eh..?

                      ..to make this shit up..

                      ..phillip ure..

                    • rhinocrates

                      Wow, this is quite fun. I never thought of ape-baiting as a sport until now, but the thing about reactionaries is, well, that they react – they simply can’t help themselves.

                      I really shouldn’t be amused – I sincerely disapprove of cruelty to animals, but I can’t help but chuckle.

                      Do you get it KK? You’re not an irritant, you’re an amusement.

                    • Martin

                      We all have it coming too, including you. Most won’t realise iteven when that tornado whacks them round the ears or that floods starts fillinging their sinuses and mouths with water.

                      We all have profited from the drivers of civilization and now we are seeing payback time. ou can vote National or whatever you like. Climate change is locked in and the inertia will drive it until we go extinct and way beyond.
                      Got it?

                      If we wanted to make a difference 30-40 years back was the time to start not now.
                      If that is too disturbing or unpleasant, tough!

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    I asked for a quote KK. You give me your reckonings and feral inferations.

                    He quoted a speech that said these things are examples of what the world is heading for more of, and that we should pay attention to them. he didn’t say they had it coming.

                    That was just you being a giant fucking douche.

                    • King Kong

                      So because nobody has been aware of climate change it is not the Filipinos fault this time but now that Ginge has made everybody aware of it…then next time its on you.

                    • weka

                      If anyone is to blame it’s you KK. The rest of us have been wanting to take action to mitigate AGW for some time now. You, and people that think like you, are the ones causing the problem now.

                    • King Kong

                      I never realised that you were all so polite.

                      If I was sure that the building was on fire and there were people milling around by the doors who didn’t think so, It is unbelievable to think I would hang around and fry waiting for them to leave.

                      Unless of course I didn’t really think that the building was on fire but just wanted to cause a panic in order to rob the other patrons.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      That’s a word salad.

                      What I want is the quote from Norman’s speech where he said what you claimed he said.

                      But you can’t , because you are just angry that he hurt your feelings when you were feeling good about being pious.

                    • weka

                      You really don’t get the global bit of AGW do you.

                      We can’t get out of the burning building unless we do so collectively. So dumb fucks like you who aren’t merely milling round the exits but are actively blocking them are responsible for all our deaths.

                      I know that you are all about the personal responsibility, so tell me this, if you did believe in AGW, where exactly do you think you could go if you made it out of the building under your own steam?

                    • King Kong

                      That is total leftie bollocks. It’s always the most important thing in the world…but someone else has to take the action.

                      If you clowns actually owned this stuff, people might start to take you more seriously.

                      In answer to the second part of your question…Mad Max style apocalypse.

                    • weka

                      But I am doing something KK, many things. As are most of the other people I know who take this seriously. So I’m not asking you to take action and me to do nothing, I’m asking you to take action with the rest of us. You thinking that I just suggested that only you take action is total righty bollocks. Not to mention comprehension fail.

                      Running out of arguments are we? How about answering Pb’s request then?

                      “In answer to the second part of your question…Mad Max style apocalypse.”

                      Ah, so now we have it. You would prefer to live in a world of brutality as long as you’re all right jack. Which I guess explains why you won’t take AGW seriously. You’re having a bet each way.

                    • framu

                      no – whats bollocks is your building analogy and you thinking that your opinion of what someone said is the same thing as what they said

                      would you like a shovel for that big hole of stupid your digging?

                      \note: its not that i disagree with you – its that your not making a lot of sense and completely avoiding where people point that out

                    • King Kong

                      “and you thinking that your opinion of what someone said is the same thing as what they said”

                      Just like when Key said “we aren’t giving the Pike river families a payout on behalf of the company because it will set a precedent and the potential for inequality in the way Govt treats victims of terrible accidents” and David Cunliffe implies that to mean that Govt couldn’t give a shit about the Pike River victims families?

                    • weka

                      Is that you agreeing that you were wrong?

                    • King Kong

                      Only if that’s you saying you are in love with me.

                    • weka

                      Another logic fail then. Are you going to keep this up all day?

                    • King Kong

                      No, I have meetings this arvo but I will give it one last try…

                      If you stand up in a period that has been set aside for passing on condolences to the victims of a natural disaster (exactly what all speakers from the other parties did) and you use it to go on a rant about climate change, how is that not blaming the victims for their own demise (for the reasons I stated above)?

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Because words have meanings that’s why.

                      If you could quote the words he used that imply what you reckon he was saying, it would be a great help.

                    • weka

                      Yeah, we’ve been through this already several times KK. You heard blame because of some shit in your head. It’s not what Norman said.

                    • BLiP

                      Here’s how its really done, and this is what a real speaker looks like . . .

                      http://youtu.be/XDtClJYJBj8

              • Rogue Trooper

                did he really KK

            • infused 6.1.2.1.1.2

              Then you’re retarded.

            • Redrobin 6.1.2.1.1.3

              “As far as I can tell, ya’ll are upset because he made skeptics feel bad, as they should.”

              Thought Police here we come…

          • framu 6.1.2.1.2

            Then stop behaving like a giant fucking douche bag

            you know – if you dropped the rape minimisation, racism, name calling and general arsehole-ness you put out you might have something worth saying

            your so consistantly offensive on any given subject you really dont have any right to be getting upset here

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 6.1.3

        The wingnuts are lining up to out-froth one another

        Aren’t they, just:

        http://thestandard.org.nz/groser-says-govt-ministers-in-denial-of-reality/#comment-727924

    • karol 6.2

      Russell

      Would this be Russell Crowe? Amazing as to who gets claimed as Kiwis and who isn’t, depending on the perspective of the claimer.

      And the muddled and unintentionally ironic reference to MK, boggles the mind.

      • King Kong 6.2.1

        So the fact he doesn’t spell his name like every other Russell in the world is the best you’ve got.

        As it goes, I knew he only has one “L” but the spelling auto correct changed it. Even the dictionary thinks it’s twatish.

        • Pascal's bookie 6.2.1.1

          Considering the best you’ve got is ‘go home to aussie’ and some crap about your german mate, I’d say the Russel thing was pretty much a round one knock out.

        • karol 6.2.1.2

          No, my point still stands however the names are written. Russel Norman shows way more commitment to the future of NZ than the likes of Russell Crowe.

          The whole labeling of Norman as a “Commie Aussie” is just a diversion and has no relevance to the issue.

  7. BLiP 7

    . . . So, what does Key think? Does he agree with Tim Groser that only someone who is “in denial of reality” denies man-made climate change? Or does he agree with Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet? Or with Brownlee, English, and Ross, who clearly are deniers but lack the guts to say it . . .

    Its very difficult to know exactly what John Key thinks. He is on record as having said:

    I firmly believe in climate change and always have

    . . . yep, you guessed, its another John Key lie.

  8. photonz1 8

    The International Panel on Climate Change says –

    “In its most recent assessment on global warming the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found there were no identifiable long term trends when comes to tropical cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons.”

    Russel Norman says Climate Change will mean more tropical storms.

    When it comes to the science, who is the denialist – Russel Norman or the IPCC?

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      No links as usual mate? Making stuff up as usual, mate?

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1

        Links, you want:

        IPCC AR5

        http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_Chapter02.pdf

        2.6.3

        Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century and it remains uncertain whether any reported long-term increases in tropical cyclone frequency are robust, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.

          • Pascal's bookie 8.1.1.1.1

            To be fair, that link might not be of the same quality as ‘some dude writing in the Daily Telegraph’ like the one DPF used, but it’s probably better.

        • weka 8.1.1.2

          Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century and it remains uncertain whether any reported long-term increases in tropical cyclone frequency are robust, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.

          Haven’t read that in context, but on the face of it aren’t they saying they don’t know?

          • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.1

            But Russel does.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.1.1

              I’m never sure how this works. If you don’t agree with the IPCC’s findings you are a denier. Unless you are Russel Norman.

              • Macro

                http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/tornado/2012/ann/tornado-counts-0112-2012.png

                now of course this is only the US….

                and we don’t want to cause alarm amongst the populace….

                but that graph would indicate a trend would it not??

                • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                  Fuck, marco. You think maybe the IPCC didn’t know about your graph? Maybe they’re not doing a very good job.

                  • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                    Gormy picks cherries,
                    Dumps mendacious litany,
                    Jaw is flapping too.

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Hey OAK, if you don’t like something in the report, don’t take it up with me. I didn’t write it. Your problem’s with the IPCC.

                      And you know it’s not cherry picking. It’s quoting.

                    • Macro

                      Yes it is quoting – but then the fact remains that the timeframe for the drafting of the report means that a lot of new results and findings are not included. Since the cut-off for AR5, the literature has moved somewhat towards expecting more tropical cyclones and more intense storms as warming progresses.

                      The IPCC reports are by nature conservative in their content – they have to be to gain the consensus from many people with many barrows to push. That unfortunately does not always lead to the correct answer nor to full extent of the situation. A real expert in Hurricanes Dr Jeff Masters has this to say:

                      “A remarkable warming of the sub-surface Pacific waters east of the Philippines in recent decades, due to a shift in atmospheric circulation patterns and ocean currents that began in the early 1990s, could be responsible for the rapid intensification of Super Typhoon Haiyan. Hurricanes are heat engines, which means they take heat energy out of the ocean, and convert it to kinetic energy in the form of wind. It’s well-known that tropical cyclones need surface water temperatures of at least 26.5°C (80°F) to maintain themselves, and that the warmer the water, and the deeper the warm water is, the stronger the storm can get. Deep warm water is important, since as a tropical cyclone tracks over the ocean, it stirs up cooler water from the depths, potentially reducing the intensity of the storm. When both Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita exploded into Category 5 hurricanes as they crossed over a warm eddy in the Gulf of Mexico with a lot of deep, warm water, the concept of the total heat energy available to fuel a hurricane–the Tropical Cyclone Heat Potential (TCHP)–became one that gained wide recognition. The Pacific Ocean east of the Philippines has the largest area of deep, warm water of anywhere on Earth, and these waters have historically fueled the highest incidence of Category 5 storms of anywhere on the planet. Super Typhoon Haiyan tracked over surface waters that were of near-average warmth, 29.5 – 30.5°C (85 – 87°F.) However, the waters at a depth of 100 meters (328 feet) beneath Haiyan during its rapid intensification phase were a huge 4 – 5°C (7 – 9°F) above average, judging by an analysis of October average ocean temperatures from the Japan Meteorological Agency (Figure 1.) As the typhoon stirred this unusually warm water to the surface, the storm was able to feed off the heat, allowing Haiyan to intensify into one of the strongest tropical cyclones ever observed.”

                      http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2579

                      It is also of note that 90% of global heating is going into the oceans and a large proportion of that is ending up in the deeper oceans

          • Draco T Bastard 8.1.1.2.2

            Yes, that’s what it means. Logically though, an increase in energy in the ecosphere must result in larger and more damaging storms. It’s just a question of when and how long before the statistics show it.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.2.1

              Well, maybe until then, Russel and his mates should stop making shit up.

              • Rogue Trooper

                fore-warned is fore-armed.

                • weka

                  Nah, we should just wait until we’re on fire before we do anything.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I don’t think that there will be any truly effective solutions implemented in time so we have to hold on for the ride.

                    • weka

                      Anything we can do will help. I reckon we should keep trying. In this sense KK kind of has a point. Why haven’t we taken to the streets yet?

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Maybe reducing greenhouse emissions will stop all the other stuff that global warming has not been proved to be causing while we’re at it. Maybe it’s causing the All Whites to be shit. And One Anonymous Knucklehead to be such a misanthrope.

              • Draco T Bastard

                Did you read the link from PB? The statistics already show such an increase.

        • Rogue Trooper 8.1.1.3

          motivated today G.

  9. jaymam 9

    “Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet” – I think we need to get the actual quote from Craig. I suspect he is quoting the few scientists who theorise that the orbits of the planets affect sunspots.

    This paper in Nature says “The Sun’s magnetic activity varies cyclically over a period of about 11 years. An analysis of a new, temporally extended proxy record of this activity hints at a possible planetary influence on the amplitude of the cycle.”:
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7434/full/493613a.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20130131

    However most scientists don’t believe that. I don’t believe the effect is significant either! But we do know that sunspots affect climate. And the changing orbit of the Earth around the sun has by far the biggest effect on climate, and causes huge temperature swings around every 100,000 years, if you look at the ice core studies.

  10. Madame Defarge 10

    Come the revolution, I’d spare Tim Groser, only because a) he at least recognises the value of teaching Te Reo early in the life of all New Zealanders. If they chose not to pursue that later in life – at high school – then that is their prerogative. And b) he has reasonably been consistent on the source on climate change – humanity.
    The rest of the Tory bastards, I’d flog, then send off to the guillotine!! Absolute charlatans, liars and scoundrels the lot of them. “Off with their heads!!”

  11. Pascal's bookie 11

    Fresh polling from the US

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/13/climate-change-red-state-opinion-america-study?CMP=twt_gu

    “To me, the most striking finding that is new today was that we could not find a single state in the country where climate scepticism was in the majority”

  12. weka 12

    King Kong,

    “His political grandstanding on the back of thousands of dead Filipinos was crass and vulgar…but what do you expect when you let an Aussie into your house.”

    Some of us couldn’t quite follow KK’s logic this morning, so let’s go to the Philippines’ govt itself –

    Today the Philippines climate change chief, Yeb Sano, was saluting Mr Norman via Twitter, offering his “deepest appreciation for his heart-warming gesture”.

    The gesture – recounting Mr Sano’s speech – was slammed by National MPs because it was made during time set aside to honour typhoon victims.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Norman-vindicated-by-Philippines-govt-tweet/tabid/1607/articleID/321218/Default.aspx

  13. aerobubble 13

    I was wondering, when a cat owner moves what do the cats in the area think? That Roger the cat died? Anyway, that reminds me of something Brownlee said today in parliament. When asked about roading investment, he replied that road users had fully funded it, that it would be a tax on car users to spend the investment on public transport. Now sure, if you ignore the facts, that taxation was directly purposed like that, which it is not (as many a pacifist re-military spending). If you ignore the fact that investing in more roads gives more choice to car users as opposed to other tax payers who don’t use cars (or would not if they had a choice) – and so make one culture of road use predominate which is highly inefficient use of roads paid for by all NZ over the decades (and restricts choice of car owners to switch modes). If you ignore the fact that increasing public transport removes cars from roads and so speeds up the network, and so only a dumb cat would argue that having more space to move was a tax.

    But hey Brownlee thought a fellow minister today was deluded when that minister failed to remember who was the NZ PM in 2008. Delusional front bench if you ask me. Its all about making NZ more inefficient, so National can sell off NZ to foreigners cheap.

  14. rhinocrates 14

    KK’s really having a meltdown today and damnit, I’m out of popcorn!

    • King Kong 14.1

      I would tell you to get yourself down to the shop but of course the Police Commissioner has surveillance set up out side your house in order to track your movements.

      • Rogue Trooper 14.1.1

        meanwhile you appear in a cage already.

      • fender 14.1.2

        Nah those pigs are in the drive-thru queue at McDonalds. Shave some fur from around your eyes, ape shit.

        • fappity 14.1.2.1

          Exactly how old are you?

          It’s pretty damn pathetic for a grown adult to repeatedly use such childish language and think they are being funny, clever or appropriate

          • Pascal's bookie 14.1.2.1.1

            If you say so, “fappity”

          • fender 14.1.2.1.2

            I’m 99, hence the slow reply.

            I don’t normally refer to them as pigs very often (if that’s what you refer to), but after seeing the outrage from the ghastly BM last time it was used I threw it in for his entertainment.

            But if it makes you unhappy fappity, I’m sorry :oops:

            • lprent 14.1.2.1.2.1

              Cool in all respects.. You just have to hit the ton (and beyond). My grandmother hit 99 and 7 months, but was a bit out of it for a number of years..

              I like the idea of a centurian blogger almost double my age capable of doing more than 1600 argued and often irreverant comments. There is hope for me keeping my brains as long as the arteries hold out.

              • fender

                Now I feel absurd for being so absurd! I’m a little less than half that, but I hope we and TS are still around in another fifty odd! Hope I don’t attract a ban for lying about my age, but I could protest that I meant I’m an agent…., agent 99!

            • Colonial Viper 14.1.2.1.2.2

              Actually 99?

              Like 99 years?

              I imagined half that…

              • fender

                And if we met you could win me over if you said I looked a third of that!

                Sorry mate I’m only 45…..going on 18 (mental age!) :twisted:

          • weka 14.1.2.1.3

            ‘Pigs’ is child language?

            I would have tagged it to the hippies. Or the Young Ones.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 14.1.3

        Cousin Ape, wingnuts have been running that “you’re just paranoid” line since Jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple.

        Haven’t you got an original thought to save yourself? Have a banana.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 14.2

      Loving your access to the higher echelons of the establishment Rhino. Ignore the jealous monkey, he’ll just throw his poop at you.

  15. Royton De'Ath 15

    Thank Goodness KK and TGF are with us; fighting the fight that needs to be fought – hewing to their tumescent hind-brains, providing the tiny galvanizing squirts of bio-stuff that provide some flickering evidence of sentience.

    That AR5 quote showed ‘em, TGF; those demmed Bolsheviks should be running for cover now. Nothing like good dose of cold, hard quotes being shoved up them, eh?

    What about this for another dose of the AR5 that you so lovingly administer?

    ‘Time series of cyclone indices such as power dissipation, an aggregate compound of tropical cyclone frequency, duration, and intensity that measures total wind energy by tropical cyclones, show upward trends in the North Atlantic and weaker upward trends in the western North Pacific since the late 1970s … , but interpretation of longer-term trends is again constrained by data quality concerns …’

    And this summary should have the desired evacuative effect, emanating as it will from your self-administered enemas:

    ‘Confidence remains low for long-term (centennial) changes in tropical cyclone activity, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities. However, it is virtually certain that the frequency and intensity of the strongest tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic has increased since the 1970s.’

    Let’s hope (wink, wink) that the bolshies don’t notice the obviously understated, conservative, nature of the conclusions reached by the World Government Boffins. But, you will be sure, we are sure, that the virtual certainty about cyclonic activity in the NA, will have no relevance to anywhere else ‘cos, like, it’s like, “several streets over”, sort of analogy thing.

    And let’s hope that the data issues aren’t sorted out, because then They’ll try to find out things, like, you know … confirm trends of cyclonic intensity and/or frequency in the NP … or something. That rotten super typhoon may just make Them do just that. They’re such rotters.

    And that boxer/congressman/hero is really, really, really helping out:

    ‘His status as a national hero in the Philippines meant Pacquiao considered leaving the training camp to help relief efforts, but Roach said it was too close to the fight to alter preparations.
    “It’s way too close to the fight, he needs to double down,” Roach said, although he granted his fighter much of Wednesday off, giving him the chance to help out remotely.’
    (13/11/13)

    Gosh. Now, that’s real dedication …

    Such wonderfully little treasures of rationality and humanity.

  16. xtasy 16

    National Party position: “The earth is flat, as we can only see as far as the tip of our noses, and there is no detectable evidence that disproves our position!”

    “Also is the earth the centre of the universe, as God created us out of clay and we must be the centre for that mere fact!” “Hence it MUST be REAL that the sun revolves around earth, rather than the opposite, as the tip of our noses tell us such.”

    “Climate is changeable due to sun spot activity, rotation moves of planets and the imaginations of fallible minds prone to perception of any ideas.”

    “Signed by John Key, and agreed to by Colin Cringe (da Craig)”.

  17. Ok this is so chardonnay of me, but Jami Lee Ross? Never trust a man on a parliamentary salary who still seems to buy his suits and ties at Tommy Gun.

  18. captain hook 18

    cut to the chase and the climate science denialists (who hoo) are just greedy pigs who imagine that the world was put here for them to eat their lunch on and trash as they see fit.
    The ones in the National party are comming more and more to resemble the nasties in a marvel comic or a dennis wheatley novel who think tha the dark lord is going to reward them for their allegiance but no he will swallow them whole too.
    And all their flash hotels and golf clubs and legions of arse lickers and menial myrmidons will not save them.

  19. Lloyd 19

    I suppose those persons who disparage Russell Norman because he came from Australia are quite happy for New Zealand citizens to pay taxes in Australia specifically linked to social welfare kiwis can’t receive due to anti-kiwi laws? After all none of us here in New Zealand are migrants or descendants of migrants are we? We all know that migrants should be shunned, banned, ignored and banished to the gulags, don’t we?

    I also assume the climate deniers are frogs sitting in slowly warming water denying its is getting warmer until they get cooked….

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    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • A Fiji democratic mandate for the coup leader – what now for the media?
    Attorney-General Sayad-Khaiyum and Rear-Admiral (Ret) Voreqe Bainimarama’s Fiji First party is poised to lead the country in the next four years. Photo: Mads Anneberg, an AUT Pacific Media Centre student on internship in Suva with Repúblika Magazine and Pacific Scoop...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Why I voted Labour and why 2017 will be different
    As a 3nd and 5th generation Kiwi-Indian (depending on which side of the family we have to go with), my relationship with New Zealand is a special one. Like other New Zealanders who are not of the Caucasian variety, the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Humble Pie
    Oh. My. God. This was a heartbreaking nightmare. I was wrong, horribly, horribly, horribly wrong. I honestly believed that the resources, the media attention, the vile toxic politics exposed by Dirty Politics and the mass surveillance lies would have seen...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms
    An unprecedented increase in support for the third-term National Party, the best electoral performance since 1899, has delivered a clear mandate for reform of the Resource Management Act says Federated Farmers. “Vital reforms to the RMA have...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • New Zealand says no to Culture of Death
    Right to Life is pleased that the people of New Zealand have rejected a culture of death by refusing to elect a Labour/Green government that supported the decriminalisation of abortion....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Steven Joyce
    CORIN Steven Joyce if we could start with how things are going to look now with your support partners. Can you just run us through, National can technically govern alone on what you’ve got at the moment, do you think...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Kelvin Davis
    SUSAN Well earlier this morning, just before we came to air in fact, Corin spoke to Kelvin Davis, one of the big winners of the night, the new MP for Te Tai Tokerau....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – David Cunliffe
    CORIN Joining me now is Labour Leader, David Cunliffe. Good morning to you Mr Cunliffe. This is a tough result for Labour, how much personal responsibility do you take for this....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Grey Power congratulates Key
    Grey Power National President Terry King congratulated John Key for his party’s “resounding win “ in yesterday’s election and hoped that the new National Government would look hard at issues affecting the ever–growing number of older New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • EMA congratulates PM John Key and National
    The Employers and Manufacturers Association extend hearty congratulations to the re-election of Prime Minister John Key and National....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Helen Clark Receives Inaugural Women’s Health Rights Award
    Helen Clark was honoured as the first recipient of the Women’s Health Rights Award at the 121st Woman’s Suffrage event held in Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National deal with New Zealand First unlikely
    The National party is unlikely to offer a confidence and supply agreement to New Zealand First according to Dr Ryan Malone, Director Training and Research at Civicsquare....
    Scoop politics | 20-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
    For the past four years I, like 500,000 other New Zealanders, have been illegally smoking cannabis for medicinal purposes and/or even just for the occasional laugh with friends on the weekend. We don't hurt anybody, we don't cause nuisance, we...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
    Responding to the Fairfax article that taxpayers are extending another $103 million to keep Solid Energy afloat, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
    People across New Zealand continue to express their disgust at the downgrading of Invermay, says Dunedin North MP David Clark, as the Save Invermay petition he instigated earlier this year topped the 10,000 signature mark just days before the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
    Garth McVicar stated at a public meeting last week that he would fight to retain a 24/7 Police Station in Napier and no reduction in the number of police staff for the Hawkes Bay region, some said he was simply...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
    Internet MANA urges New Zealanders to use their party vote to confront corruption in any new government....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Election day is tomorrow – make sure you’re a part of it!
    Tomorrow, Saturday 20 September, is election day, and New Zealanders’ last chance to have a say on who leads the country for the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Is the Shape of our Government out of the hands of Voters?
    In the last stuff.co.nz / Ipsos Political Poll before Saturdays election, National is down 5.1% to 47.7% and Labour up 3.7% to 26.15%. These results are remarkably similar to the 2011 election where National received 47.3% of the vote and...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
    Internet MANA is drawing on the courage and integrity of New Zealand women on Suffrage Day – Friday, September, 19 – to encourage them to pay tribute to the spirit of their foremothers who gained women the vote....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
    Māori Television’s KOWHIRI 2014 – ELECTION SPECIAL kicks off at 7.00pm this Saturday with a five-hour broadcast focusing on the Māori electorates....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Judge’s Decision Disappoints Fish & Game
    Today’s decision to give a Temuka man 100 hours of community service for selling sports fish to the public has disappointed Fish & Game, which believes the sentence handed down was “too lenient and will not go far enough to...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Cutting-Edge Graphics Fire up TV3’s Election Night Coverage
    TV3’s Election Night coverage, hosted by John Campbell, will be enhanced by cutting-edge graphics that will showcase the night’s results....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt rushes to open charter schools in New Year
    The government’s decision to approve four new charter schools last week to open in January next year goes against the Minister of Education’s own advice that the schools ought to have at least a year’s preparation time....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • 7 Days And Jono And Ben at Ten Hijack Election Weekend
    The 7 Days and Jono and Ben at Ten (JABAT) comedians are running their own version of election coverage, with a schedule of entertainment and comedy across TV3, Kiwi FM, the web and social media this Friday and Saturday under...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Fewer Prisoners Equals Less Crime
    In its latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and other Crazy Stuff’,’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html , Rethinking Crime and Punishment urges government to rethink its approach to releasing prisoners. “The public expectation is that the excellent reductions in the crime...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar slams his political opponents
    I want a safe and prosperous society and that can only be achieved if we have strong and vi-brant families – McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Falling economic growth – wage rises overdue
    “The lower GDP growth in the three months to June is further evidence that growth has peaked. New Zealand’s economy is on the way down to mediocre growth rates,” says CTU economist Bill Rosenberg. “Yet wage rises are still weak...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Get Out and Vote campaign a success
    Tens of thousands of workers from all around New Zealand have embraced the Get Out and Vote campaign and have created their own personalised voting plan, the CTU said today. “With three days of voting left in the 2014 General...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Animal Research Failing – So Do More Animal Research?
    Victoria University of Wellington is about to host a lecture on why the success rates of pharmaceutical development is so low and what can be done about it. The New Zealand Anti-Vivisection Society (NZAVS) welcomes discussion on this important...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ALCP welcomes Prime Minister’s cannabis comments
    Mr Abbott's comments came on the same day as New South Wales and Victoria states announced they would be doing clinical trials of cannabis....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
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