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Groser says govt ministers in denial of reality

Written By: - Date published: 7:25 am, November 14th, 2013 - 145 comments
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3news has shaken out hidden science denialists in National. This follows the disgraceful booing of Russel Norman by National MPs who did not want to hear him ‘inappropriately’ quote a Filipino official attributing the typhoon to climate change at a time apparently meant for empty platitudes. Meanwhile, the Filipino official that Norman was quoting has written to thank him.

Turns out our transport and finance ministers are climate science denialists, as is some loser called Jami Lee Ross (this is the chump who got landed with the failed strikebreakers’ private members’ bill, which even Key didn’t agree with). Climate Minister Tim Groser says “you would have to be in denial of reality” to think that way.

So, what does Key think? Does he agree with Tim Groser that only someone who is “in denial of reality” denies man-made climate change? Or does he agree with Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet? Or with Brownlee, English, and Ross, who clearly are deniers but lack the guts to say it. And when will National have the guts to come out as the party for science deniers that it is?

145 comments on “Groser says govt ministers in denial of reality”

  1. muzza 1

    How is quoting Tim Groser helping to make this articles primary discussion point, credible?

    Tiny Tim is doing he darn best to ensure that this country and what is left of the sovereignty ,is sold into the control of foreign corporate interests, and whatever strategy those globalists intend to operate with, once the TPPA is ratified.

    Using Tim as a crutch for this article, leaves a nasty taste!

    • Matthew Hooton 1.1

      I think the information on Wikileaks this morning suggests Groser has been doing quite the opposite to what you claim. See https://wikileaks.org/tpp/static/pdf/Wikileaks-secret-TPP-treaty-IP-chapter.pdf

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1

        You would have to comb through that document for a while before you could reach that conclusion with any degree of certainty.

        • karol 1.1.1.1

          Agreed, OAK. I looked at the NZ Herald article on it and thought it very conveniently made it look like the NZ government was standing up for the interest of all NZers.

          I like time to look at it, and more informed analyses of it.

          • Matthew Hooton 1.1.1.1.1

            Yep, that’s right. NICKY HAGER was “very conveniently” making it look like the government is standing up for the interests of all New Zealanders! The corporate media must have captured him now too!

            http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11156737

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1.1.1.1

              Hollow Hooten cites Nicky Hager :twisted:

            • karol 1.1.1.1.1.2

              The problem is that Groser and Key continue to say they are working in the interests of NZ and that a solution in favour of NZ sovereignty and people is possible. I am mistrustful of the role they have been playing in the negotiations, until I have time to look more closely at the evidence.

              As Jane Kelsey says, we need to see draft texts of all the chapters to have a clearer view of what is being negotiated. Curiously that Stuff article interprets the Wikileaks documents as showing “road blocks” and “snags” to the TPP: i.e. not insurmountable obstacles.

              • Matthew Hooton

                If you are opposed to TPP, you don’t need to worry. It will never happen. A free-trade deal of this nature will never get passed the US Congress, especially with Obama not having fast-track authority – and it is difficult to see how the free-traders like NZ and Singapore would ever finally agree with Japan and Canada. The whole TPP thing has become nothing more than a make-work and air-points scheme for bureaucrats, lobbyists and activists.

                • Tracey

                  activists ought not be included with lobbyists and bureaucrats because the former often has to pay their own way. I agree that it will never get past congress unless the other countries have all just rolled over to all US demands.

                  Wayne Mapp says we cant see the draft because of confidentiality so parties can bargain without their positions being known.

                  However if the US is tapping Merkel’s phone I rather think they know exactly what position EVERY party to the TPPA hold.

                • have to agree with hooten here..it has just been a travel-ticket-bonanza/trough for the assorted players/paper-pushers..

                  ..and it is mired in going-nowhere-land..

                  http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/wikileaks-publishes-the-inte.html

                  “..The treaty is reportedly at a “negotiated stalemate” thanks to the US Trade Rep, who has refused to bend on treaty provisions that other nations objected to..”

                  ‘negotiated-stalemate’ sounds good to me..

                  phillip ure..

                • Rogue Trooper

                  you get a diversion

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1.1.2

            I suggest translating it into a word doc if possible, then edit out everything but the NZ positions. I’m looking forward to the analyses too.

      • muzza 1.1.2

        Hooton, you were jogging on the spot with that response weren’t you eh!

        Time will tell the story ot Tiny Tim and his powers of negotiation, albeit the corporate media will have used their powers, not to mentioned their paid tools, such as yourself Matthew, to re-write history, and sell the propaganda to the hobbits, as is the way of this world, however the point remains…

        Using Tim Groser as the central figure for an article to give credence to expose the disgraceful actions of the NAT MP’s, is hypocritical!

        This article could have stood on its own merit, without quoting TPPA sellout, and self promoter on the globalists world tour using taxpayers funds, Tiny Timmy Groser.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.2.1

          This could be interesting: who would you back to actually read through the TPPA draft, analyse the NZ position(s) and accurately summarise it all?

          Hollow Hooten, or Muzza the tiresome cretin?

          It’s a fascinating document. Actually it’s a lot of documents, all depending on which country’s views you pick.

  2. Bill Drees 2

    Tau Henare, Jamie Lee Ross, Gerry Browlee and Bill English: what have they in common that they choose to deny the impact of humanity on the climate?

    They all believe that the right of the individual to exploit that which they own/control are a superior right to the right of the collective to manage society and the environment for the benefit of all.

    They have the same attitude towards employment, health, schooling issues as they have towards climate change.

    Tau Henare, Jamie Lee Ross, Gerry Browlee and Bill English are that mean boy in the school-yard that upon finding some mis-laid item they like would pocket it and say “finders keeper, losers weepers”

  3. Ennui 3

    I watched the disgusting performance by Tau and others on the news….then reflected as cars drove up the street belching CO2, “what the hell, the habits of a lifetime from all of us is being threatened by the whole concept of climate change”. Reading Cluborlov this week was instructive of the psychology behind the abuse of Russell Norman.

    And the reason collapse is an unacceptable topic of discussion if it relates to us, in the present or the foreseeable future, is that the moment you mention it, the topic stops being it, or us; the topic becomes you. What is wrong with you, why are you collapsing, and is it contagious? (Actually, just go away anyway, because you are probably bad luck.) This society operates on a combination of conformism and one-upmanship. Collapse as reality is nonconformist—in a society that worships success it is seen as defeatist and unpatriotic. It is also noncompetitive—because who on earth would want to buy it? “After all, who wants to hear that their very identity—the industrially civilized ego they have built throughout their entire lives, the ego that defines who they are—is, well, dying?”

    Carolyn Baker on http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.nz/

  4. TightyRighty 4

    No labour mp’s at all booed the commie Aussie? It was all national?

    The only disgraceful performance was the commie Aussie trying to make political gain from a natural disaster. The Filipino isn’t even a scientist, just a vested interest negotiator. But because his views align with the commie Aussie, he’s temporarily useful. Wonder what the Filipinos views on the tppa are?

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 4.1

      I love the way Norman makes wingnuts froth at the mouth.

    • Not a PS Staffer 4.2

      Tighty
      The job of a politician is to be political in order to achieve gains. That is why they are called politicians….

      • framu 4.2.1

        heh – its like complaining that labour were doing to much social engineering – when thats pretty much the job description for govt

      • TightyRighty 4.2.2

        just the commie aussie trying to make political gains in parliament on this one. typical aussie white trash, completely inappropriate behaviour for the occasion. Cunliffe and Key kept it dignified, why couldn’t wuss?

    • framu 4.3

      “the commie Aussie”

      exactly how old are you?

      its pretty damn pathetic for a grown adult to repeatedly use such childish language and think they are being funny, clever or appropriate

    • Tracey 4.4

      “The Philippines is not yet ready to join the international free-trade agreement known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the head of the Trade Department said Wednesday.

      “We can pursue it, but is it wise to lobby for it? Let’s just wait until we’re ready. We’re not going to actively pursue negotiations for us to join. It can be distracting and we have no resources for it,” Trade Secretary Gregory L. Domingo told reporters.” April 2013

      • David Tong 4.4.1

        Yeb is from Tacloban, the worst hit city. He has friends and family amongst the missing and dead. His brother spent much of the last few days tending to corpses, as Tacloban digs its first mass grave.

      • David Tong 4.4.2

        Yeb is from Tacloban, the worst hit city. He has friends and family amongst the missing and dead. His brother spent much of the last few days tending to corpses, as Tacloban digs its first mass grave.

    • Tracey 4.5

      The Philippines’ lead climate change negotiator Yeb Saño, who happened to be at the United Nations climate summit in Poland as the typhoon hit…

      So not “the Filipino” but a government appointed climate change negotiator.

    • Rogue Trooper 4.6

      a bit of bile went into that one TR

  5. TightyRighty 5

    I love the way lefties always divert attention away when their argument gets rogered.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1

      What argument, Tighty? You made a series of spittle-flecked assertions that reveal lots about you and say nothing whatsoever about Russell Norman.

  6. King Kong 6

    Maybe next time the Israeli’s take out a crap load of Palestinians, Russell can stand in Parliament and start quoting M*in K*mpf.

    Bout time he headed home and started trying to sort of the Australian response to climate change. NZ are full bushed, dream catcher owning hippies by comparison.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1

      Go wild, guys, let it all out.

      The wingnuts are lining up to out-froth one another :D

      • King Kong 6.1.1

        His political grandstanding on the back of thousands of dead Filipinos was crass and vulgar…but what do you expect when you let an Aussie into your house.

        If they could have kept Turei out of the tuck shop long enough I am sure she would have told him that it was in terrible taste.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1

          The National Party in full rhetorical flight. I shouldn’t encourage public incontinence, but please, do go on.

      • Pascal's bookie 6.1.2

        Norman touched a nerve all right.

        • King Kong 6.1.2.1

          It’s funny that you haven’t noticed put people tend to get a bit tetchy when you behave like a gigantic douche bag.

          • Pascal's bookie 6.1.2.1.1

            Yeah you keep saying that. But I’ve yet to see anyone explain why, exactly, what he said was so outrageous.

            As far as I can tell, ya’ll are upset because he made skeptics feel bad, as they should.

            • King Kong 6.1.2.1.1.1

              Just days after thousands had died he pretty much said that if they drove a car, bought manufactured good or had lights in their house, they had it coming to them.

              • Pascal's bookie

                ‘Pretty much’ I’m guessing means ‘didn’t’.

                Quoted the part where he pretty much said that and prove me wrong.

                • King Kong

                  He asserted that the storm that killed them was definitely and irrefutably caused by climate change. What causes climate change? cars, manufacturing, energy production… ergo if any of these Filipinos were helping cause climate change with their behaviours…they had it coming.

                  • framu

                    “ergo if any of these Filipinos were helping cause climate change with behaviours, they had it coming.”

                    yes but thats you adding that bit on

                    • King Kong

                      It is exactly the point the that Russ implied.

                    • weka

                      AGW is a collective responsibility. If the Filipinos stopped all of their carbon emissions that wouldn’t stop them from being affected by AGW. This is why people like Norman don’t believe what you just said, that’s your shit in your limited mind. Your logic is ideologically skewed, and environmentally, socially and scientifically daft.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Yep. But unfortunately we have an economic system which demands maximisation of energy use, consumption and therefore AGW. We’re pretty much stuffed unless we change everything, right down to our systems of accounting and business case methodology.

                    • King Kong

                      And let me guess CV, you are the once in a millennium genius who knows exactly what it should be replaced with.

                      I guess if Jesus was a carpenter why can’t our economic saviour be a masseuse.

                    • weka

                      Plenty of people know what needs to be done KK.

                      What’s less certain is why so many people think that when you find that your boat has sunk you can magic up another boat out of nothing instead of swimming for shore. The stupidity burns, literally.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      KK – sorry mate it has to be a collective effort.

                      You’re going to be hearing that word a lot more going forward, because the cult of the individual is slowly running out of time – as we run out of the oil which powers it.

                    • King Kong

                      So CV, is that one word of our new economic manifesto each or are we going to appoint a committee of those who know themselves to be fabulously insightful and gifted (your time to shine brother).

                      My experience, such that it is, has always shown that committees are terrific vehicles for delivering top notch, clearly thought out and concise results.

                    • i think kongy deserves/gets todays lycra-ripping-groin-stretcher-of-a-lie-award..

                      ..norman ‘implied’ nothing of the sort..

                      ..norman quoted…he didn’t imply…

                      ..kongy must be squeezingly-angry..eh..?

                      ..to make this shit up..

                      ..phillip ure..

                    • rhinocrates

                      Wow, this is quite fun. I never thought of ape-baiting as a sport until now, but the thing about reactionaries is, well, that they react – they simply can’t help themselves.

                      I really shouldn’t be amused – I sincerely disapprove of cruelty to animals, but I can’t help but chuckle.

                      Do you get it KK? You’re not an irritant, you’re an amusement.

                    • Martin

                      We all have it coming too, including you. Most won’t realise iteven when that tornado whacks them round the ears or that floods starts fillinging their sinuses and mouths with water.

                      We all have profited from the drivers of civilization and now we are seeing payback time. ou can vote National or whatever you like. Climate change is locked in and the inertia will drive it until we go extinct and way beyond.
                      Got it?

                      If we wanted to make a difference 30-40 years back was the time to start not now.
                      If that is too disturbing or unpleasant, tough!

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    I asked for a quote KK. You give me your reckonings and feral inferations.

                    He quoted a speech that said these things are examples of what the world is heading for more of, and that we should pay attention to them. he didn’t say they had it coming.

                    That was just you being a giant fucking douche.

                    • King Kong

                      So because nobody has been aware of climate change it is not the Filipinos fault this time but now that Ginge has made everybody aware of it…then next time its on you.

                    • weka

                      If anyone is to blame it’s you KK. The rest of us have been wanting to take action to mitigate AGW for some time now. You, and people that think like you, are the ones causing the problem now.

                    • King Kong

                      I never realised that you were all so polite.

                      If I was sure that the building was on fire and there were people milling around by the doors who didn’t think so, It is unbelievable to think I would hang around and fry waiting for them to leave.

                      Unless of course I didn’t really think that the building was on fire but just wanted to cause a panic in order to rob the other patrons.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      That’s a word salad.

                      What I want is the quote from Norman’s speech where he said what you claimed he said.

                      But you can’t , because you are just angry that he hurt your feelings when you were feeling good about being pious.

                    • weka

                      You really don’t get the global bit of AGW do you.

                      We can’t get out of the burning building unless we do so collectively. So dumb fucks like you who aren’t merely milling round the exits but are actively blocking them are responsible for all our deaths.

                      I know that you are all about the personal responsibility, so tell me this, if you did believe in AGW, where exactly do you think you could go if you made it out of the building under your own steam?

                    • King Kong

                      That is total leftie bollocks. It’s always the most important thing in the world…but someone else has to take the action.

                      If you clowns actually owned this stuff, people might start to take you more seriously.

                      In answer to the second part of your question…Mad Max style apocalypse.

                    • weka

                      But I am doing something KK, many things. As are most of the other people I know who take this seriously. So I’m not asking you to take action and me to do nothing, I’m asking you to take action with the rest of us. You thinking that I just suggested that only you take action is total righty bollocks. Not to mention comprehension fail.

                      Running out of arguments are we? How about answering Pb’s request then?

                      “In answer to the second part of your question…Mad Max style apocalypse.”

                      Ah, so now we have it. You would prefer to live in a world of brutality as long as you’re all right jack. Which I guess explains why you won’t take AGW seriously. You’re having a bet each way.

                    • framu

                      no – whats bollocks is your building analogy and you thinking that your opinion of what someone said is the same thing as what they said

                      would you like a shovel for that big hole of stupid your digging?

                      \note: its not that i disagree with you – its that your not making a lot of sense and completely avoiding where people point that out

                    • King Kong

                      “and you thinking that your opinion of what someone said is the same thing as what they said”

                      Just like when Key said “we aren’t giving the Pike river families a payout on behalf of the company because it will set a precedent and the potential for inequality in the way Govt treats victims of terrible accidents” and David Cunliffe implies that to mean that Govt couldn’t give a shit about the Pike River victims families?

                    • weka

                      Is that you agreeing that you were wrong?

                    • King Kong

                      Only if that’s you saying you are in love with me.

                    • weka

                      Another logic fail then. Are you going to keep this up all day?

                    • King Kong

                      No, I have meetings this arvo but I will give it one last try…

                      If you stand up in a period that has been set aside for passing on condolences to the victims of a natural disaster (exactly what all speakers from the other parties did) and you use it to go on a rant about climate change, how is that not blaming the victims for their own demise (for the reasons I stated above)?

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Because words have meanings that’s why.

                      If you could quote the words he used that imply what you reckon he was saying, it would be a great help.

                    • weka

                      Yeah, we’ve been through this already several times KK. You heard blame because of some shit in your head. It’s not what Norman said.

                    • BLiP

                      Here’s how its really done, and this is what a real speaker looks like . . .

                      http://youtu.be/XDtClJYJBj8

              • Rogue Trooper

                did he really KK

            • infused 6.1.2.1.1.2

              Then you’re retarded.

            • Redrobin 6.1.2.1.1.3

              “As far as I can tell, ya’ll are upset because he made skeptics feel bad, as they should.”

              Thought Police here we come…

          • framu 6.1.2.1.2

            Then stop behaving like a giant fucking douche bag

            you know – if you dropped the rape minimisation, racism, name calling and general arsehole-ness you put out you might have something worth saying

            your so consistantly offensive on any given subject you really dont have any right to be getting upset here

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 6.1.3

        The wingnuts are lining up to out-froth one another

        Aren’t they, just:

        http://thestandard.org.nz/groser-says-govt-ministers-in-denial-of-reality/#comment-727924

    • karol 6.2

      Russell

      Would this be Russell Crowe? Amazing as to who gets claimed as Kiwis and who isn’t, depending on the perspective of the claimer.

      And the muddled and unintentionally ironic reference to MK, boggles the mind.

      • King Kong 6.2.1

        So the fact he doesn’t spell his name like every other Russell in the world is the best you’ve got.

        As it goes, I knew he only has one “L” but the spelling auto correct changed it. Even the dictionary thinks it’s twatish.

        • Pascal's bookie 6.2.1.1

          Considering the best you’ve got is ‘go home to aussie’ and some crap about your german mate, I’d say the Russel thing was pretty much a round one knock out.

        • karol 6.2.1.2

          No, my point still stands however the names are written. Russel Norman shows way more commitment to the future of NZ than the likes of Russell Crowe.

          The whole labeling of Norman as a “Commie Aussie” is just a diversion and has no relevance to the issue.

  7. BLiP 7

    . . . So, what does Key think? Does he agree with Tim Groser that only someone who is “in denial of reality” denies man-made climate change? Or does he agree with Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet? Or with Brownlee, English, and Ross, who clearly are deniers but lack the guts to say it . . .

    Its very difficult to know exactly what John Key thinks. He is on record as having said:

    I firmly believe in climate change and always have

    . . . yep, you guessed, its another John Key lie.

  8. photonz1 8

    The International Panel on Climate Change says –

    “In its most recent assessment on global warming the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found there were no identifiable long term trends when comes to tropical cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons.”

    Russel Norman says Climate Change will mean more tropical storms.

    When it comes to the science, who is the denialist – Russel Norman or the IPCC?

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      No links as usual mate? Making stuff up as usual, mate?

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1

        Links, you want:

        IPCC AR5

        http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_Chapter02.pdf

        2.6.3

        Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century and it remains uncertain whether any reported long-term increases in tropical cyclone frequency are robust, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.

          • Pascal's bookie 8.1.1.1.1

            To be fair, that link might not be of the same quality as ‘some dude writing in the Daily Telegraph’ like the one DPF used, but it’s probably better.

        • weka 8.1.1.2

          Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century and it remains uncertain whether any reported long-term increases in tropical cyclone frequency are robust, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.

          Haven’t read that in context, but on the face of it aren’t they saying they don’t know?

          • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.1

            But Russel does.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.1.1

              I’m never sure how this works. If you don’t agree with the IPCC’s findings you are a denier. Unless you are Russel Norman.

              • Macro

                http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/tornado/2012/ann/tornado-counts-0112-2012.png

                now of course this is only the US….

                and we don’t want to cause alarm amongst the populace….

                but that graph would indicate a trend would it not??

                • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                  Fuck, marco. You think maybe the IPCC didn’t know about your graph? Maybe they’re not doing a very good job.

                  • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                    Gormy picks cherries,
                    Dumps mendacious litany,
                    Jaw is flapping too.

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Hey OAK, if you don’t like something in the report, don’t take it up with me. I didn’t write it. Your problem’s with the IPCC.

                      And you know it’s not cherry picking. It’s quoting.

                    • Macro

                      Yes it is quoting – but then the fact remains that the timeframe for the drafting of the report means that a lot of new results and findings are not included. Since the cut-off for AR5, the literature has moved somewhat towards expecting more tropical cyclones and more intense storms as warming progresses.

                      The IPCC reports are by nature conservative in their content – they have to be to gain the consensus from many people with many barrows to push. That unfortunately does not always lead to the correct answer nor to full extent of the situation. A real expert in Hurricanes Dr Jeff Masters has this to say:

                      “A remarkable warming of the sub-surface Pacific waters east of the Philippines in recent decades, due to a shift in atmospheric circulation patterns and ocean currents that began in the early 1990s, could be responsible for the rapid intensification of Super Typhoon Haiyan. Hurricanes are heat engines, which means they take heat energy out of the ocean, and convert it to kinetic energy in the form of wind. It’s well-known that tropical cyclones need surface water temperatures of at least 26.5°C (80°F) to maintain themselves, and that the warmer the water, and the deeper the warm water is, the stronger the storm can get. Deep warm water is important, since as a tropical cyclone tracks over the ocean, it stirs up cooler water from the depths, potentially reducing the intensity of the storm. When both Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita exploded into Category 5 hurricanes as they crossed over a warm eddy in the Gulf of Mexico with a lot of deep, warm water, the concept of the total heat energy available to fuel a hurricane–the Tropical Cyclone Heat Potential (TCHP)–became one that gained wide recognition. The Pacific Ocean east of the Philippines has the largest area of deep, warm water of anywhere on Earth, and these waters have historically fueled the highest incidence of Category 5 storms of anywhere on the planet. Super Typhoon Haiyan tracked over surface waters that were of near-average warmth, 29.5 – 30.5°C (85 – 87°F.) However, the waters at a depth of 100 meters (328 feet) beneath Haiyan during its rapid intensification phase were a huge 4 – 5°C (7 – 9°F) above average, judging by an analysis of October average ocean temperatures from the Japan Meteorological Agency (Figure 1.) As the typhoon stirred this unusually warm water to the surface, the storm was able to feed off the heat, allowing Haiyan to intensify into one of the strongest tropical cyclones ever observed.”

                      http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2579

                      It is also of note that 90% of global heating is going into the oceans and a large proportion of that is ending up in the deeper oceans

          • Draco T Bastard 8.1.1.2.2

            Yes, that’s what it means. Logically though, an increase in energy in the ecosphere must result in larger and more damaging storms. It’s just a question of when and how long before the statistics show it.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.2.1

              Well, maybe until then, Russel and his mates should stop making shit up.

              • Rogue Trooper

                fore-warned is fore-armed.

                • weka

                  Nah, we should just wait until we’re on fire before we do anything.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I don’t think that there will be any truly effective solutions implemented in time so we have to hold on for the ride.

                    • weka

                      Anything we can do will help. I reckon we should keep trying. In this sense KK kind of has a point. Why haven’t we taken to the streets yet?

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Maybe reducing greenhouse emissions will stop all the other stuff that global warming has not been proved to be causing while we’re at it. Maybe it’s causing the All Whites to be shit. And One Anonymous Knucklehead to be such a misanthrope.

              • Draco T Bastard

                Did you read the link from PB? The statistics already show such an increase.

        • Rogue Trooper 8.1.1.3

          motivated today G.

  9. jaymam 9

    “Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet” – I think we need to get the actual quote from Craig. I suspect he is quoting the few scientists who theorise that the orbits of the planets affect sunspots.

    This paper in Nature says “The Sun’s magnetic activity varies cyclically over a period of about 11 years. An analysis of a new, temporally extended proxy record of this activity hints at a possible planetary influence on the amplitude of the cycle.”:
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7434/full/493613a.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20130131

    However most scientists don’t believe that. I don’t believe the effect is significant either! But we do know that sunspots affect climate. And the changing orbit of the Earth around the sun has by far the biggest effect on climate, and causes huge temperature swings around every 100,000 years, if you look at the ice core studies.

  10. Madame Defarge 10

    Come the revolution, I’d spare Tim Groser, only because a) he at least recognises the value of teaching Te Reo early in the life of all New Zealanders. If they chose not to pursue that later in life – at high school – then that is their prerogative. And b) he has reasonably been consistent on the source on climate change – humanity.
    The rest of the Tory bastards, I’d flog, then send off to the guillotine!! Absolute charlatans, liars and scoundrels the lot of them. “Off with their heads!!”

  11. Pascal's bookie 11

    Fresh polling from the US

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/13/climate-change-red-state-opinion-america-study?CMP=twt_gu

    “To me, the most striking finding that is new today was that we could not find a single state in the country where climate scepticism was in the majority”

  12. weka 12

    King Kong,

    “His political grandstanding on the back of thousands of dead Filipinos was crass and vulgar…but what do you expect when you let an Aussie into your house.”

    Some of us couldn’t quite follow KK’s logic this morning, so let’s go to the Philippines’ govt itself –

    Today the Philippines climate change chief, Yeb Sano, was saluting Mr Norman via Twitter, offering his “deepest appreciation for his heart-warming gesture”.

    The gesture – recounting Mr Sano’s speech – was slammed by National MPs because it was made during time set aside to honour typhoon victims.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Norman-vindicated-by-Philippines-govt-tweet/tabid/1607/articleID/321218/Default.aspx

  13. aerobubble 13

    I was wondering, when a cat owner moves what do the cats in the area think? That Roger the cat died? Anyway, that reminds me of something Brownlee said today in parliament. When asked about roading investment, he replied that road users had fully funded it, that it would be a tax on car users to spend the investment on public transport. Now sure, if you ignore the facts, that taxation was directly purposed like that, which it is not (as many a pacifist re-military spending). If you ignore the fact that investing in more roads gives more choice to car users as opposed to other tax payers who don’t use cars (or would not if they had a choice) – and so make one culture of road use predominate which is highly inefficient use of roads paid for by all NZ over the decades (and restricts choice of car owners to switch modes). If you ignore the fact that increasing public transport removes cars from roads and so speeds up the network, and so only a dumb cat would argue that having more space to move was a tax.

    But hey Brownlee thought a fellow minister today was deluded when that minister failed to remember who was the NZ PM in 2008. Delusional front bench if you ask me. Its all about making NZ more inefficient, so National can sell off NZ to foreigners cheap.

  14. rhinocrates 14

    KK’s really having a meltdown today and damnit, I’m out of popcorn!

    • King Kong 14.1

      I would tell you to get yourself down to the shop but of course the Police Commissioner has surveillance set up out side your house in order to track your movements.

      • Rogue Trooper 14.1.1

        meanwhile you appear in a cage already.

      • fender 14.1.2

        Nah those pigs are in the drive-thru queue at McDonalds. Shave some fur from around your eyes, ape shit.

        • fappity 14.1.2.1

          Exactly how old are you?

          It’s pretty damn pathetic for a grown adult to repeatedly use such childish language and think they are being funny, clever or appropriate

          • Pascal's bookie 14.1.2.1.1

            If you say so, “fappity”

          • fender 14.1.2.1.2

            I’m 99, hence the slow reply.

            I don’t normally refer to them as pigs very often (if that’s what you refer to), but after seeing the outrage from the ghastly BM last time it was used I threw it in for his entertainment.

            But if it makes you unhappy fappity, I’m sorry :oops:

            • lprent 14.1.2.1.2.1

              Cool in all respects.. You just have to hit the ton (and beyond). My grandmother hit 99 and 7 months, but was a bit out of it for a number of years..

              I like the idea of a centurian blogger almost double my age capable of doing more than 1600 argued and often irreverant comments. There is hope for me keeping my brains as long as the arteries hold out.

              • fender

                Now I feel absurd for being so absurd! I’m a little less than half that, but I hope we and TS are still around in another fifty odd! Hope I don’t attract a ban for lying about my age, but I could protest that I meant I’m an agent…., agent 99!

            • Colonial Viper 14.1.2.1.2.2

              Actually 99?

              Like 99 years?

              I imagined half that…

              • fender

                And if we met you could win me over if you said I looked a third of that!

                Sorry mate I’m only 45…..going on 18 (mental age!) :twisted:

          • weka 14.1.2.1.3

            ‘Pigs’ is child language?

            I would have tagged it to the hippies. Or the Young Ones.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 14.1.3

        Cousin Ape, wingnuts have been running that “you’re just paranoid” line since Jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple.

        Haven’t you got an original thought to save yourself? Have a banana.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 14.2

      Loving your access to the higher echelons of the establishment Rhino. Ignore the jealous monkey, he’ll just throw his poop at you.

  15. Royton De'Ath 15

    Thank Goodness KK and TGF are with us; fighting the fight that needs to be fought – hewing to their tumescent hind-brains, providing the tiny galvanizing squirts of bio-stuff that provide some flickering evidence of sentience.

    That AR5 quote showed ‘em, TGF; those demmed Bolsheviks should be running for cover now. Nothing like good dose of cold, hard quotes being shoved up them, eh?

    What about this for another dose of the AR5 that you so lovingly administer?

    ‘Time series of cyclone indices such as power dissipation, an aggregate compound of tropical cyclone frequency, duration, and intensity that measures total wind energy by tropical cyclones, show upward trends in the North Atlantic and weaker upward trends in the western North Pacific since the late 1970s … , but interpretation of longer-term trends is again constrained by data quality concerns …’

    And this summary should have the desired evacuative effect, emanating as it will from your self-administered enemas:

    ‘Confidence remains low for long-term (centennial) changes in tropical cyclone activity, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities. However, it is virtually certain that the frequency and intensity of the strongest tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic has increased since the 1970s.’

    Let’s hope (wink, wink) that the bolshies don’t notice the obviously understated, conservative, nature of the conclusions reached by the World Government Boffins. But, you will be sure, we are sure, that the virtual certainty about cyclonic activity in the NA, will have no relevance to anywhere else ‘cos, like, it’s like, “several streets over”, sort of analogy thing.

    And let’s hope that the data issues aren’t sorted out, because then They’ll try to find out things, like, you know … confirm trends of cyclonic intensity and/or frequency in the NP … or something. That rotten super typhoon may just make Them do just that. They’re such rotters.

    And that boxer/congressman/hero is really, really, really helping out:

    ‘His status as a national hero in the Philippines meant Pacquiao considered leaving the training camp to help relief efforts, but Roach said it was too close to the fight to alter preparations.
    “It’s way too close to the fight, he needs to double down,” Roach said, although he granted his fighter much of Wednesday off, giving him the chance to help out remotely.’
    (13/11/13)

    Gosh. Now, that’s real dedication …

    Such wonderfully little treasures of rationality and humanity.

  16. xtasy 16

    National Party position: “The earth is flat, as we can only see as far as the tip of our noses, and there is no detectable evidence that disproves our position!”

    “Also is the earth the centre of the universe, as God created us out of clay and we must be the centre for that mere fact!” “Hence it MUST be REAL that the sun revolves around earth, rather than the opposite, as the tip of our noses tell us such.”

    “Climate is changeable due to sun spot activity, rotation moves of planets and the imaginations of fallible minds prone to perception of any ideas.”

    “Signed by John Key, and agreed to by Colin Cringe (da Craig)”.

  17. Ok this is so chardonnay of me, but Jami Lee Ross? Never trust a man on a parliamentary salary who still seems to buy his suits and ties at Tommy Gun.

  18. captain hook 18

    cut to the chase and the climate science denialists (who hoo) are just greedy pigs who imagine that the world was put here for them to eat their lunch on and trash as they see fit.
    The ones in the National party are comming more and more to resemble the nasties in a marvel comic or a dennis wheatley novel who think tha the dark lord is going to reward them for their allegiance but no he will swallow them whole too.
    And all their flash hotels and golf clubs and legions of arse lickers and menial myrmidons will not save them.

  19. Lloyd 19

    I suppose those persons who disparage Russell Norman because he came from Australia are quite happy for New Zealand citizens to pay taxes in Australia specifically linked to social welfare kiwis can’t receive due to anti-kiwi laws? After all none of us here in New Zealand are migrants or descendants of migrants are we? We all know that migrants should be shunned, banned, ignored and banished to the gulags, don’t we?

    I also assume the climate deniers are frogs sitting in slowly warming water denying its is getting warmer until they get cooked….

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    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • Labour will facilitate regional Māori economic development agencies
    The next Labour Government will facilitate the creation of regional Māori economic development groups lead by iwi and hapū to work in partnership with business and public agencies as part of its Māori Development policy. “Labour is committed to working towards...
    Labour | 16-08
  • PRIME MINISTER’S DENIAL AT ODDS WITH NATIONAL PARTY STATEMENT
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has today released an email from the General Manager of the National Party that directly contradicts recent statements from the Prime Minister in relation to the 2011 breaches of Labour Party website databases. In his stand-up...
    Labour | 16-08
  • Labour committed to a healthier NZ for all
    A Labour Government will shift the focus of the health system from narrow targets and short term thinking to make public health and prevention a priority, Labour’s health spokesperson Annette King says. Releasing Labour’s full Health policy today she said...
    Labour | 15-08
  • Time Key took responsibility for Collins
    It is well past time for John Key to take some responsibility for the misuse of power and information by his Minister Judith Collins, and follow through on his last warning to her, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “The evidence released...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Dear John, time to answer a few questions… – Harawira
    “When Cameron Slater says about Kim Dotcom ‘I have lots on him…death by a thousand cuts…wait till you see what comes out in coming weeks on that fat c***t’, you have to ask whether this is the same Cameron Slater...
    Mana | 14-08
  • MANA CANDIDATE FOR IKAROA RAWHITI OPENS UP ABOUT SUICIDE
    “This week suicide has claimed yet more lives in whanau and communities in Ikaroa Rawhiti, and my heart goes out to those who are dealing with such a tragic loss”, says MANA candidate for Te Ikaroa Rawhiti, Te Hamua Nikora....
    Mana | 14-08
  • Offshore betting in Labour’s sights
    A Labour Government will clamp down on offshore gambling websites that deprive the local racing industry of funds, Labour’s Racing spokesperson Ross Robertson says. Releasing Labour’s racing policy today, he said betting on offshore websites is a major threat to...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Key has serious questions to answer on Dirty Politics
    John Key must answer the serious questions raised in Nicky Hager’s new book which reveal examples of dirty politics that New Zealanders will be deeply concerned about, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Many people will be disturbed by the evidence...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Creating an inclusive society for disabled people
    A Labour Government will provide free annual health checks for people with an intellectual disability, Labour’s Disability Issues spokesperson Ruth Dyson said today in announcing Labour’s Disability Issues policy. “We will also employ another 100 additional special education teachers and...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA name change
    This is to advise all media that on the 24th of July the ‘Mana’ party name was officially changed to ‘MANA Movement’ under the Electoral Act 1993.  The inclusion of the word ‘Movement’ in our name shouldn’t come as a surprise...
    Mana | 13-08
  • New Zealand must help in the growing Iraq crisis
    The humanitarian crisis in Iraq looks certain to get worse before it gets better,” said David Shearer Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson. “New Zealand should urgently pledge increased humanitarian assistance to United Nations agencies and NGOs present on the ground....
    Labour | 13-08
  • Allegations of migrant worker rort should be investigated
    Labour is calling for an investigation into the alleged exploitation of workers at Hutt Railway workshops, hired to repair asbestos-riddled DL locomotives. Hutt South Labour MP Trevor Mallard has written to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment asking that...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Medical and dentistry students get reprieve under Labour
    A Labour Government will restore the right of medical and dentistry students to get student loans after seven years of study because it is the right thing to do, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says. “Hard on the heels...
    Labour | 13-08
  • National must stop meddling with ACC before the election
    The redesign currently occurring at the Accident Claims Corporation (ACC) for sensitive claims needs to be put on hold immediately, said the Green Party today.The Green Party is concerned about work currently underway at ACC involving the sensitive claims service...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Markets slow but first home buyers still hurting
    First home buyers are hurting more than ever as the supply of affordable houses in the market dries up, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “The Reserve Bank will be happy LVR minimum deposits and rising interest rates have dampened...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Green Party celebrates MOU win on contaminated sites
    The Green Party is celebrating the announcement of a national register of contaminated sites today, and $2.5 million to start cleaning two sites up. The Green Party and the National Party agreed to include toxic site management work in their...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Emergency staff at breaking point
    The Southern DHB is so cash-strapped it is failing to fill nursing rosters, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson David Clark says.  “Every day emergency department nurses arrive at work knowing they are likely to be carrying more than their recommended workload. ...
    Labour | 12-08
  • ACC minister fails in mission to change culture
    The latest damning report by the Auditor General shows that the ACC Minister has failed to fulfil her mission to fix the sick culture at ACC and real change will not come till a new Government is elected, the Green...
    Greens | 12-08
  • Labour’s regional development fund to support Palmerston North
    Labour will consider a proposal to develop an inland port at Palmerston North, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The Palmerston North community has developed plans for an inland port which will bring jobs and economic growth to a region which...
    Labour | 12-08
  • Green Party announces priorities for Christchurch
    The Green Party has today announced its plan for a fairer, smarter and more democratic Canterbury rebuild, with a focus on smart transport solutions, restoring local democracy, and keeping Christchurch's assets.The plan sits across all of the Green Party's priorities...
    Greens | 11-08
  • Rock-star economy unplugged by China log jam
    The collapse of log prices due to oversupply in China threatens to wash the gloss off what remains of National's so-called rock-star economy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “Already this year the price of milk solids has plunged by more...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Young job seekers dealt a poor hand
    National's "keep 'em poor" card for young people on a benefit is a sorry substitute for job training, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Sue Moroney says.  The Government today announced it would extend its payment card scheme to all teen parents...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Labour – achieving change for Kiwi women
    Working towards being a world leader in eliminating violence against women and children will be a priority for a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Women’s Affairs policy today spokesperson Carol Beaumont said while Labour had a proud track record of achieving...
    Labour | 11-08
  • A Matter of Whether John Key is Credible
    Headline: A Matter of Whether John Key is Credible Analysis by Selwyn Manning. Prime Minister, John Key.WITHIN NATIONAL’S STRATEGY TEAM there is an acceptance that the facts revealed in the book, Dirty Politics, is chewing away at the party’s popular...
    The Daily Blog | 23-08
  • TDB Political Diary for 2014 Election
    Here are the political events TDB will be covering this election. I will be live tweeting these events and  blog reviews will follow the next day. Internet MANA launch – August – Sunday 24th – 1pm, Western Springs School Green...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • One man’s struggle to find a copy of Dirty Politics
    I’m typing this on top of Dirty Politics.  I got the last copy yesterday morning at the local branch of a chain bookshop.  I was really in to get the paper.  I know it sold out – everyone knows - but the first thing...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • From Tucker to Key – while you were out
      From Tucker to Key – while you were out...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Amnesty International – Justice is not Blind in Ferguson
    When a US cop pulls a gun on an unarmed man, he could be acting upon a series of impulses that have been formed since before he or she could talk. What does that police officer see in front of...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Putting an end to zero-hour contracts in 2015
    All around the world attention is being drawn to what have been dubbed in the UK “zero-hour contracts”. These are contracts that don’t have any guaranteed hours even though the worker may be regularly employed. Unite Union has been struggling...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • NZ’s Foreign Aid: The Party Policies Compared
    For the past two elections, I’ve cast my vote based on a single question, which party promises to give the most money in foreign aid? I grant that this is a fairly narrow and simplistic lens through which to judge...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Steering By The Real: Chris Trotter responds to Paul Buchanan
    WHEN ACADEMICS take to blogging the rest of us best be careful. And when they offer comment on the subject of dirty politics we should all pay attention. I will always remember my history lecturer, Dr Michael Cullen’s, confident dismissal...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Interview Between Selwyn Manning & Sean Plunket Over SIS Release of OIA...
    During a RadioLive interview between host Sean Plunket and managing director of Multimedia Investments Ltd, journalist Selwyn Manning, a fiery exchange developed after Plunket attempted to “wet flannel” the issue of whether the Prime Minister has been truthful over what...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • “Even though my hours are being cut, my rent doesn’t get cut to compens...
    Fast Food = Slow Pay   Lola is a manager at a major fast food chain. Last year her employer arbitrarily cut her hours from 32 hours to anywhere between 18 and 26 hours each week. “I said I can’t...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Hate Politics has no place in NZ Politics
    I wasn’t going to write about Nicky Hagar’s ‘Dirty Politics’.  There are plenty of policy issues to discuss. Then I read the book, and what it reveals strikes at the very heart of our democracy. My overwhelming feeling is one...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Pak’nSave pull adverts from Whaleoil
    Pak n Save have replied to complaints that their adverts were appearing on hate speech site Whaleoil by deciding to block their adverts from appearing on the site. Their reply… Congratulations for Pak’NSave on making this type of ethical stand. They...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Herald Poll – Why the Greens will hit 15%
    The biggest problem for John Key is that there are swathes of National Party voters who are educated and decent people whom will be forced to read Dirty Politics out of intellectual curiosity and will be horrified by what National...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Dirty Politics and Dirty Media
    The Nicky Hager book is mind blowing on so many levels. The revelations of government ministers and their staff colluding with vile and hateful schemers to attack other people, is truly ugly. When the dust settles on the illegalities, immoralities...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • “You just have to keep on fighting” – an interview with Metiria Turei
    We’re meeting in her office. It’s austere, though she does have a nice teapot. The view is startling. One can map the Bowen Triangle, though the teapot is still more interesting. A group of pink faced men are running across...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Taxation and Real Estate – turning housing debate on its head
    The debate about property prices in New Zealand is disingenuous. It is clear that there is a global process in which speculators are using massive amounts of unspent and borrowed money to blow bubbles in the world’s major asset markets....
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – Faith and politics
    In a week which has seen our collective focus shift to those who see politics as a great game to be manipulated for their own ends, it is timely to reflect on the fact that many people are in fact...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Government’s Own Guidelines Show John Key Would Have Been Informed Of SIS...
    Analysis by Selwyn Manning. INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ACQUIRED, sourced from the State Services Commission, states in black and white the tight guideline requirements that must be followed whenever the SIS informs a Prime Minister of any pending release of...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Simply Not Credible: Dr Tucker’s “clarifications” are only making thi...
    THAT DR WARREN TUCKER, Director of the Security Intelligence Service in 2011, agreed to the release of politically sensitive material – thereby intervening in an on-going contretemps between the leaders of the National and Labour parties – without receiving the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: Evidence of Collusion between the NZ Herald and Imm...
    . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the Herald...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Dear Canon NZ – Malevolence should induce revulsion, it shouldn’t be ce...
    Giovanni Tiso’s analysis on Slater is possibly the best in NZ… It’s been a good week for some of us. A week of feeling vindicated, offeeling galvanised. Where it goes from here will depend on several factors, some of which are largely...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • 5AA Australia: After Dirty Politics Can National Provide Stable Government?
    AS WE ALL KNOW New Zealanders and Australians do not like political parties that are unstable, or can no longer assure us that they are able to provide stable government. And the big question for Kiwis as we prepare to...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • SIS letter means it’s over for Key
    It’s over. I may not agree with all of Phil Goff’s positions, but you can’t question his integrity the way Slater did in Dirty Politics and not be deeply concerned that our Secret Intelligence Agency is being used for political...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • who to vote for in Epsom
    who to vote for in Epsom...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • The Rise and Fall of John Key – who will be the next leader of National P...
    . . It was all set to go: Teamkey would be the cult of personality that would do Stalin, Mao, Reagan, Thatcher, or any of the Nth Korean Kim Dynasty, proud.  National and it’s “Teamkey” propaganda strategy   would cash-in Big Time...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Who said Kiwis couldn’t get a fire in their bellies over an arcane intern...
    An amazing team of activists has taken the campaign on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) to local governments throughout the country. Their latest triumph came last Monday when the Dunedin City Council endorsed a resolution expressing concern about the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National’s Dangerous Education Agenda Exposed
    Putting aside the dirty politics coming out of the Beehive and the right-wing blogisphere, there are some very strong signals that another term of a National Government would do even more serious damage to the public education system. The Education...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • We can have clean politics and get our democracy back.
    Something is rotten in our politics and it stinks. Dirty politics has sadly become one of the defining features of this election campaign. In the light of recent revelations about the extent of nasty and disingenuous political strategies, it would...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Book burning copies of Hager’s book? The next generation of National Part...
    It seems we are getting the next generation of National Party Dirty Politics now. There are claims the Young Nats in Hamilton are buying up copies of Dirty Politics and burning them. One witness was contacted by the Waikato Times...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National Party Poetry Day Haiku
    Key’s inbox and Cam’s poison most foul, there he blows hoist by own harpoon...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Why Cunliffe will be the next PM
    David Cunliffe will be the next Prime Minister of NZ. Labour’s inclusive and positive TV adverts… …are in stark contrast to National’s team of white people powering away from the rabble of the ‘others’… …the messaging is vital and crucial...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • From smiling assassin to grumpy butcher – on giving Judith Collins a last...
    After #dirtypolitics Key isn’t the smiling assassin, he is the grumpy butcher. When he said Judith had  a ‘last chance’ he meant 1 second after voting closes on 20th September. Key would love nothing more than to cut Collins loose and end...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • If the National Party rowing advert was real….
    If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water. If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes. If the national Party rowing advert was real,...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Cameron Slater: Zionist and political pundit
    It is hard to know where to start with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater (Whale Oil), especially after the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics. This confirmed everything many of us thought Slater to be: a snivelling pundit who serves...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Bryce Edwards stood down from Herald for election season??? Are the editors...
    I only found this out via twitter last night and I am still in shock. Bryce Edwards, easily the best critical thinker and news analyst the NZ Herald has has been stood down by the NZ Herald ‘for the election...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • So who’s a “conspiracy theorist” now?!
    . . As the media storm over Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“,  and allegations over smear campaigns continue to swirl,  National’s spin doctors have given Key, Collins, and other National Party ministers a string of  phrases to use in all...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Momentum shift
    When you are deeply immersed in a local campaign sometimes it can be difficult to see the helicopter view.   I don’t know how accurate the political polls are and have always known that things can change quickly in politics...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Dear Toby Manhire. Bad call on backing Farrar
    Oh dear. I say this as someone who regards Toby Manhire as one of the smartest journalists/commentators/columnists this country has, and I think Toby has made a terribly dumb call here. Let’s see if Toby is still singing Farrar’s praises...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Radio NZ apologise to me for getting it wrong
    Radio NZ have contacted me, reviewed the claim by their host that I had an advance copy of Nicky Hager’s book and they have concluded they got it wrong, they have called me and apologised and will make a statement...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Reclaim UoA – Students’ Message to Steven Joyce
    Tertiary Education – we’ve been sold a lemon  A group of 30 students attended an event on Tuesday evening about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which the Minister of Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Can someone in the media please ask the PM of NZ to categorically deny any ...
    Now we see the MO of Slater & Co, the setting up, the digging for dirt, the use of staff to dig that dirt, can the Prime Minister of NZ categorically deny any National Party staff worked with Cam Slater...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Panic setting in for National as they realise what’s about to happen
    And the terror starts to set in. I’ve never seen blind panic like this before  and it’s spreading as the enormity of what’s about to happen starts to sink in. Hager’s book is a mere entree, Nicky’s personal ethics wouldn’t...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics: what the book ultimately reveals is abuse of powe...
    Guide to the many faces of John Key Nicky’s book is now doing what I suspected it would do, create a shockwave of revulsion. Andrew Geddis over at Pundit Blog sums up this attitude best, and it’s reverberations build with every...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Fancy taking children seriously
    Let’s see why all political parties should pay close attention to the Green Party’s policy for children. First, it is a comprehensive attempt to put children, not ideology, at the heart of family policy. Wow, children at the heart of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Amnesty International: Dear Azerbaijan, Stop Torture, Love Kiwi Kids
    This is a world where many adults often underestimate Generation Y. Being only a few years out of being a teenager myself, I feel I can make this statement with certainty. However, I have been the Youth Intern at Amnesty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GCSB meetings today in Christchurch 1pm at Uni 7pm at Cathedral
    The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. 1pm at Canterbury University bottom floor James Height Building: Chair: Bomber Bradbury Ruth Dyson – Labour Party...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about
    Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Guide to when Key is lying
    Guide to when Key is lying...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The State of the Student Nation …or is just Al...
    Students politics are dead and our student media is in terminal decline. The most disappointing thing about university is the politics, or should I say lack of? I was raised with the idea that students held the power.They were the...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Love Lifts Us Up: Thoughts from the Green Party’s campaign launch.
    Author Eleanor Catton wants people to give their party vote to the Greens.Photo by Peter Meecham NO ONE WAS QUITE SURE how he did it. Somehow Bob Harvey had persuaded the owners of the rights to Joe Cocker’s Up Where...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • The Nation Environment Debate with Amy Adams & Russel Norman
    Lisa Owen: Now, this week's campaign debate. As a handful of islands at the bottom of the world, New Zealand is an environmental treasure, and as Kiwis, we're proud of being clean and greenish. But putting that environment to work...
    Scoop politics | 23-08
  • The Nation: Debate Between Amy Adams And Russel Norman
    Lisa Owen Hosts an Environment Debate Between National’s Amy Adams And Russel Norman From the Green Party....
    Scoop politics | 23-08
  • Travel And Accommodation Determination for MPs Released
    The Remuneration Authority today released its determination covering Members of Parliament New Zealand accommodation, travel services for family members, and travel services for former Prime Ministers and their spouses....
    Scoop politics | 23-08
  • Te Kuiti man imprisoned for images of young children
    A Te Kuiti man caught with pictures of children being sexually abused has been sentenced to ten months imprisonment. Sickness beneficiary Daniel James Parry, 35, appeared for sentence in the Tauranga District Court today (Friday) after pleading guilty...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Japan Maritime Training Squadron visit – Open Day, Band
    • The Japan Maritime Self-Defence Force Training Squadron will make port in Auckland from Wednesday 3 September to Saturday 6 September...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • MP Perk Transparency Needed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the increase in taxpayer-funded entitlements for MPs and their families published on the legislation website this afternoon . Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Debating the future of Auckland’s housing
    With only weeks until the General Election, Auckland’s mounting housing crisis will be put under the spotlight in an Election Debate hosted by the School of Architecture and Planning at the University of Auckland. The debate’s topic “Market forces...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Let’s sort this out – Human Rights Commission
    A Whangarei woman allegedly censured for greeting customers with Kia ora can get in touch with the Human Rights Commission says Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy. “We really need to resolve these kinds of issues. I had thought that...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Aged Care Association welcomes Labour’s wages policy
    The New Zealand Aged Care Association welcomes the Labour Party’s announcement that if elected, it will raise the minimum wage for aged care workers within its first 100 days in Government....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Honorary doctorate for Secretary-General of the UN
    An Honorary Doctor of Laws degree is to be bestowed on His Excellency Mr Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations, by the University of Auckland on Wednesday 3 September, both in recognition of his role as an international statesman...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Surveillance of Mr Upul Jayasuriya
    The New Zealand Bar Association joins the International Bar Association (IBA) and other Law Societies and Bar Associations worldwide over the reported surveillance of Mr Upul Jayasuriya, President of the Bar Association of Sri Lanka....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Bob Parker, China State Media and Tibet Forum
    Former Christchurch mayor was signed up to position statement without his knowledge; observed “happiness” in Tibet as Tibetan protesters elsewhere shot by security forces...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • “Walk the talk to reduce the wage gap”
    There’s just a few weeks left to convince the candidates of all political parties that reducing the wage gaps makes good sense....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Digital Currency on the Drawing Board
    Government policies and digital currency ideas and issues will come together at three public workshops next week....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • NZ Cycle Trail welcomes $8 million fund
    Government funding of $8 million to maintain and enhance the Great Rides of New Zealand will help ensure the trails are delivering the best possible visitor experience, says Evan Freshwater, Manager Nga Haerenga The New Zealand Cycle Trail Inc. (NZCT)....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Judges Comments Bonkers – McVicar
    Napier Conservative Party Candidate Garth McVicar is accusing a Judge of forgetting that he is the gate-keeper for the community and not a benevolent caregiver for law breakers. "The comments by this Judge are not just alarming, they're completely...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Oxfam: World must suspend arms sales to protect civilians
    As the New Zealand Government prepares to ratify the global Arms Trade Treaty, and after ceasefire talks collapsed and violence erupted yet again in Gaza yesterday, Oxfam is calling on all states to immediately suspend transfers of arms or ammunition...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Degrees in Picking up Rubbish
    Responding to the Fairfax media report of a University of Otago survey of Wellington’s street-connected walkways, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Another Union row
    “ The teachers union the NZEA is getting ready for another industrial dispute. These disputes now only occur in the government sector. National has no one to blame but themselves” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Whyte: Speech to Grey Power
    National’s failure to increase the age for super and reform health is a threat to every New Zealander’s security....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Local Govt should not go into business
    “No one should take any comfort from the fact that “Infracon”, a roading company in Tararua and Central Hawke's Bay, is to go into liquidation. This puts the future of more than 200 jobs in doubt. ACT sympathises with those...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Join the hikoi to end child poverty in New Zealand
    CPAG is calling on people across society to join a march from Britomart to Aotea Square in Auckland to demand action on child poverty in Aotearoa....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Ngapuhi Chair Says Enough of the Political Sideshow
    Time for side-shows to end so we can focus on future of our nation – Raniera (Sonny) Tau, Chairman, Te Runanga A Iwi O Ngapuhi...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Commissioner of Police v Kim Dotcom And Ors
    An order is made extending the duration of the registration of the restraining orders issued by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia on 10 and 25 January 2012 and registered in New Zealand on 18...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Labour Announcement on Future of Hillside Workshops Welcome
    Labour leader David Cunliffe’s announcement in Dunedin today that a government led by his party would re-open Hillside Railway workshops was welcomed by the Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU). ‘Since the workshops were shut down in late...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Primary teachers and principals vote to put kids first
    Teachers and principals have voted overwhelmingly against the Government’s controversial “Investing in Educational Success” policy, including proposed highly-paid principal and teacher roles....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunkett: Educating for Success
    In all the turmoil stirred up by the "Dirty Politics" revelations, the real issues that the campaign should be about have been put to one side....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Dirty Politics – Number One Bestseller and Back in Stores
    An exposé of the hidden side of New Zealand politics, Nicky Hager's book, Dirty Politics , has been in hot demand since its release last Wednesday....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Epsom: profiling NZ’s most controversial electorate
    Welcome to the wealthy inner Auckland electorate of Epsom: home of coat-tailing, the Tea Tapes, a convicted outgoing MP... and heavy newspaper and magazine readership....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Families Free From Violence campaign and website
    We are pleased to announce the launch of our Families Free From Violence campaign and our new Families Free From Violence website. This website has been created to encourage people to take responsibility for ending family violence by seeking help...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • PSA And DHBs Reach Settlement on Five Collective Agreements
    The 20 District Health Boards are pleased to reach settlement via mediation on five Multi Employer Collective Agreements (MECAs) with the Public Service Association for 12,000 mental and public health nurses, allied, public health and technical staff,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Refusal to complete census results in 46 convictions
    Failing to fill out a census form has resulted in the convictions of 46 people, Statistics New Zealand said today....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Council Amalgamations Still Bad Deal
    Northland, Bay of Plenty, and Wellington ratepayers should not be seduced into accepting the amalgamation of their Councils by a recent amendment to legislation allowing for local boards not community boards, Chris Leitch, Democrats for Social Credit...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • DHB industrial action withdrawn
    The Public Service Association (PSA) has withdrawn notices of industrial action covering 12,000 health workers at District Health Boards (DHBs) across New Zealand, after progress was made in mediation....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Aged Care Pledge Needs Better Target, Says Care Agency
    Labour’s pledge to set up an aged care working group to address industry concerns is good to see, but appears to skirt the obvious issue of a looming lack of beds and carers for our rapidly growing elderly population, says...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Social inequality still rife in New Zealand
    Social inequality has worsened over the past decade in New Zealand, a new study from Victoria University of Wellington shows....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Working towards a living wage and more Māori in paid work
    The Māori Party will build on the gains it has already achieved in Government and accelerate job opportunities particularly for young Māori....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Deepwater Group Supports Changes to Catch Limits
    The Deepwater Group says the increase in the Total Allowable Commercial Catch for hoki shows the benefits of a long term commitment to build biomass in this major New Zealand fishery....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Ohariu candidate Sean Fitzpatrick
    “Our Ohariu candidate will be Sean Fitzpatrick. Sean has strong ties to the region and I’m glad to hear he will be doing his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the area,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Tauranga candidate Stuart Pederson
    “Our Tauranga candidate will be Stuart Pedersen. Stuart has strong ties to Tauranga and I’m glad he has agreed to do his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the electorate,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party scores massive own goal
    Green Party scores massive own goal as their own policy auditor criticises their fiscal plan...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party’s own Auditor of their Budget finds it dodgy
    “The Alternative Budget released by the Green's does not even stack up in the eyes of their chosen auditor – Infometrics” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • New shark finning laws fall short for threatened species
    Environmental groups are welcoming some aspects of a raft of law changes announced today in relation to shark finning, but say that overall the chance for New Zealand to catch up with international efforts in shark conservation is being missed....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Promoting Labour’s Positive Policies
    General Secretary of the New Zealand Labour Party, Tim Barnett, today launched Labour’s television advertisements for the 2014 election. The advertisements help tell Labour’s positive story for a better New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug Court: Rare Insight into New Alternative Justice Model
    Māori Television’s latest New Zealand documentary presents a fascinating look inside a new alternative justice model – through the stories of convicted criminals....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Political parties pledge to increase overseas aid
    A survey of political parties looking at how much New Zealand should spend on Official Development Assistance (ODA) shows the overwhelming majority of parties are committed to raising the bar according to the Council for International Development (CID)....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Top Kiwis backing Tip the Scales campaign
    Sir Graham Henry, former All Black Kees Meeuws, singer-song writer Jamie McDell and fishing guru Matt Watson have pledged their support to Tip the Scales, a pre-election campaign generating public support for rebuilding New Zealand’s depleted inshore...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Maritime Union continues to press over dirty politics
    Maritime Union National President Garry Parsloe says Ports of Auckland management is trying to get off the hook from its involvement with extreme right wing bloggers during the Ports of Auckland dispute....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • No end in sight to overwhelming human cost of conflict
    Two ceasefires have brought some respite to civilians in Gaza and southern Israel, amid hope that a durable cessation of hostilities might occur. In Gaza, these breaks in the fighting have barely given people enough time to seek medical care,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Young Kiwi speakers to represent NZ at Gallipoli 2015
    The RSA is delighted at the announcement made by Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Woodhouse today, that all eight regional finalists of the 2015 ANZ RSA Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition will be included in a group of 25 Youth Ambassadors...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
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