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Groser says govt ministers in denial of reality

Written By: - Date published: 7:25 am, November 14th, 2013 - 145 comments
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3news has shaken out hidden science denialists in National. This follows the disgraceful booing of Russel Norman by National MPs who did not want to hear him ‘inappropriately’ quote a Filipino official attributing the typhoon to climate change at a time apparently meant for empty platitudes. Meanwhile, the Filipino official that Norman was quoting has written to thank him.

Turns out our transport and finance ministers are climate science denialists, as is some loser called Jami Lee Ross (this is the chump who got landed with the failed strikebreakers’ private members’ bill, which even Key didn’t agree with). Climate Minister Tim Groser says “you would have to be in denial of reality” to think that way.

So, what does Key think? Does he agree with Tim Groser that only someone who is “in denial of reality” denies man-made climate change? Or does he agree with Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet? Or with Brownlee, English, and Ross, who clearly are deniers but lack the guts to say it. And when will National have the guts to come out as the party for science deniers that it is?

145 comments on “Groser says govt ministers in denial of reality”

  1. muzza 1

    How is quoting Tim Groser helping to make this articles primary discussion point, credible?

    Tiny Tim is doing he darn best to ensure that this country and what is left of the sovereignty ,is sold into the control of foreign corporate interests, and whatever strategy those globalists intend to operate with, once the TPPA is ratified.

    Using Tim as a crutch for this article, leaves a nasty taste!

    • Matthew Hooton 1.1

      I think the information on Wikileaks this morning suggests Groser has been doing quite the opposite to what you claim. See https://wikileaks.org/tpp/static/pdf/Wikileaks-secret-TPP-treaty-IP-chapter.pdf

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1

        You would have to comb through that document for a while before you could reach that conclusion with any degree of certainty.

        • karol 1.1.1.1

          Agreed, OAK. I looked at the NZ Herald article on it and thought it very conveniently made it look like the NZ government was standing up for the interest of all NZers.

          I like time to look at it, and more informed analyses of it.

          • Matthew Hooton 1.1.1.1.1

            Yep, that’s right. NICKY HAGER was “very conveniently” making it look like the government is standing up for the interests of all New Zealanders! The corporate media must have captured him now too!

            http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11156737

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1.1.1.1

              Hollow Hooten cites Nicky Hager :twisted:

            • karol 1.1.1.1.1.2

              The problem is that Groser and Key continue to say they are working in the interests of NZ and that a solution in favour of NZ sovereignty and people is possible. I am mistrustful of the role they have been playing in the negotiations, until I have time to look more closely at the evidence.

              As Jane Kelsey says, we need to see draft texts of all the chapters to have a clearer view of what is being negotiated. Curiously that Stuff article interprets the Wikileaks documents as showing “road blocks” and “snags” to the TPP: i.e. not insurmountable obstacles.

              • Matthew Hooton

                If you are opposed to TPP, you don’t need to worry. It will never happen. A free-trade deal of this nature will never get passed the US Congress, especially with Obama not having fast-track authority – and it is difficult to see how the free-traders like NZ and Singapore would ever finally agree with Japan and Canada. The whole TPP thing has become nothing more than a make-work and air-points scheme for bureaucrats, lobbyists and activists.

                • Tracey

                  activists ought not be included with lobbyists and bureaucrats because the former often has to pay their own way. I agree that it will never get past congress unless the other countries have all just rolled over to all US demands.

                  Wayne Mapp says we cant see the draft because of confidentiality so parties can bargain without their positions being known.

                  However if the US is tapping Merkel’s phone I rather think they know exactly what position EVERY party to the TPPA hold.

                • have to agree with hooten here..it has just been a travel-ticket-bonanza/trough for the assorted players/paper-pushers..

                  ..and it is mired in going-nowhere-land..

                  http://boingboing.net/2013/11/13/wikileaks-publishes-the-inte.html

                  “..The treaty is reportedly at a “negotiated stalemate” thanks to the US Trade Rep, who has refused to bend on treaty provisions that other nations objected to..”

                  ‘negotiated-stalemate’ sounds good to me..

                  phillip ure..

                • Rogue Trooper

                  you get a diversion

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1.1.2

            I suggest translating it into a word doc if possible, then edit out everything but the NZ positions. I’m looking forward to the analyses too.

      • muzza 1.1.2

        Hooton, you were jogging on the spot with that response weren’t you eh!

        Time will tell the story ot Tiny Tim and his powers of negotiation, albeit the corporate media will have used their powers, not to mentioned their paid tools, such as yourself Matthew, to re-write history, and sell the propaganda to the hobbits, as is the way of this world, however the point remains…

        Using Tim Groser as the central figure for an article to give credence to expose the disgraceful actions of the NAT MP’s, is hypocritical!

        This article could have stood on its own merit, without quoting TPPA sellout, and self promoter on the globalists world tour using taxpayers funds, Tiny Timmy Groser.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.2.1

          This could be interesting: who would you back to actually read through the TPPA draft, analyse the NZ position(s) and accurately summarise it all?

          Hollow Hooten, or Muzza the tiresome cretin?

          It’s a fascinating document. Actually it’s a lot of documents, all depending on which country’s views you pick.

  2. Bill Drees 2

    Tau Henare, Jamie Lee Ross, Gerry Browlee and Bill English: what have they in common that they choose to deny the impact of humanity on the climate?

    They all believe that the right of the individual to exploit that which they own/control are a superior right to the right of the collective to manage society and the environment for the benefit of all.

    They have the same attitude towards employment, health, schooling issues as they have towards climate change.

    Tau Henare, Jamie Lee Ross, Gerry Browlee and Bill English are that mean boy in the school-yard that upon finding some mis-laid item they like would pocket it and say “finders keeper, losers weepers”

  3. Ennui 3

    I watched the disgusting performance by Tau and others on the news….then reflected as cars drove up the street belching CO2, “what the hell, the habits of a lifetime from all of us is being threatened by the whole concept of climate change”. Reading Cluborlov this week was instructive of the psychology behind the abuse of Russell Norman.

    And the reason collapse is an unacceptable topic of discussion if it relates to us, in the present or the foreseeable future, is that the moment you mention it, the topic stops being it, or us; the topic becomes you. What is wrong with you, why are you collapsing, and is it contagious? (Actually, just go away anyway, because you are probably bad luck.) This society operates on a combination of conformism and one-upmanship. Collapse as reality is nonconformist—in a society that worships success it is seen as defeatist and unpatriotic. It is also noncompetitive—because who on earth would want to buy it? “After all, who wants to hear that their very identity—the industrially civilized ego they have built throughout their entire lives, the ego that defines who they are—is, well, dying?”

    Carolyn Baker on http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.nz/

  4. TightyRighty 4

    No labour mp’s at all booed the commie Aussie? It was all national?

    The only disgraceful performance was the commie Aussie trying to make political gain from a natural disaster. The Filipino isn’t even a scientist, just a vested interest negotiator. But because his views align with the commie Aussie, he’s temporarily useful. Wonder what the Filipinos views on the tppa are?

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 4.1

      I love the way Norman makes wingnuts froth at the mouth.

    • Not a PS Staffer 4.2

      Tighty
      The job of a politician is to be political in order to achieve gains. That is why they are called politicians….

      • framu 4.2.1

        heh – its like complaining that labour were doing to much social engineering – when thats pretty much the job description for govt

      • TightyRighty 4.2.2

        just the commie aussie trying to make political gains in parliament on this one. typical aussie white trash, completely inappropriate behaviour for the occasion. Cunliffe and Key kept it dignified, why couldn’t wuss?

    • framu 4.3

      “the commie Aussie”

      exactly how old are you?

      its pretty damn pathetic for a grown adult to repeatedly use such childish language and think they are being funny, clever or appropriate

    • Tracey 4.4

      “The Philippines is not yet ready to join the international free-trade agreement known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the head of the Trade Department said Wednesday.

      “We can pursue it, but is it wise to lobby for it? Let’s just wait until we’re ready. We’re not going to actively pursue negotiations for us to join. It can be distracting and we have no resources for it,” Trade Secretary Gregory L. Domingo told reporters.” April 2013

      • David Tong 4.4.1

        Yeb is from Tacloban, the worst hit city. He has friends and family amongst the missing and dead. His brother spent much of the last few days tending to corpses, as Tacloban digs its first mass grave.

      • David Tong 4.4.2

        Yeb is from Tacloban, the worst hit city. He has friends and family amongst the missing and dead. His brother spent much of the last few days tending to corpses, as Tacloban digs its first mass grave.

    • Tracey 4.5

      The Philippines’ lead climate change negotiator Yeb Saño, who happened to be at the United Nations climate summit in Poland as the typhoon hit…

      So not “the Filipino” but a government appointed climate change negotiator.

    • Rogue Trooper 4.6

      a bit of bile went into that one TR

  5. TightyRighty 5

    I love the way lefties always divert attention away when their argument gets rogered.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1

      What argument, Tighty? You made a series of spittle-flecked assertions that reveal lots about you and say nothing whatsoever about Russell Norman.

  6. King Kong 6

    Maybe next time the Israeli’s take out a crap load of Palestinians, Russell can stand in Parliament and start quoting M*in K*mpf.

    Bout time he headed home and started trying to sort of the Australian response to climate change. NZ are full bushed, dream catcher owning hippies by comparison.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1

      Go wild, guys, let it all out.

      The wingnuts are lining up to out-froth one another :D

      • King Kong 6.1.1

        His political grandstanding on the back of thousands of dead Filipinos was crass and vulgar…but what do you expect when you let an Aussie into your house.

        If they could have kept Turei out of the tuck shop long enough I am sure she would have told him that it was in terrible taste.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1.1.1

          The National Party in full rhetorical flight. I shouldn’t encourage public incontinence, but please, do go on.

      • Pascal's bookie 6.1.2

        Norman touched a nerve all right.

        • King Kong 6.1.2.1

          It’s funny that you haven’t noticed put people tend to get a bit tetchy when you behave like a gigantic douche bag.

          • Pascal's bookie 6.1.2.1.1

            Yeah you keep saying that. But I’ve yet to see anyone explain why, exactly, what he said was so outrageous.

            As far as I can tell, ya’ll are upset because he made skeptics feel bad, as they should.

            • King Kong 6.1.2.1.1.1

              Just days after thousands had died he pretty much said that if they drove a car, bought manufactured good or had lights in their house, they had it coming to them.

              • Pascal's bookie

                ‘Pretty much’ I’m guessing means ‘didn’t’.

                Quoted the part where he pretty much said that and prove me wrong.

                • King Kong

                  He asserted that the storm that killed them was definitely and irrefutably caused by climate change. What causes climate change? cars, manufacturing, energy production… ergo if any of these Filipinos were helping cause climate change with their behaviours…they had it coming.

                  • framu

                    “ergo if any of these Filipinos were helping cause climate change with behaviours, they had it coming.”

                    yes but thats you adding that bit on

                    • King Kong

                      It is exactly the point the that Russ implied.

                    • weka

                      AGW is a collective responsibility. If the Filipinos stopped all of their carbon emissions that wouldn’t stop them from being affected by AGW. This is why people like Norman don’t believe what you just said, that’s your shit in your limited mind. Your logic is ideologically skewed, and environmentally, socially and scientifically daft.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Yep. But unfortunately we have an economic system which demands maximisation of energy use, consumption and therefore AGW. We’re pretty much stuffed unless we change everything, right down to our systems of accounting and business case methodology.

                    • King Kong

                      And let me guess CV, you are the once in a millennium genius who knows exactly what it should be replaced with.

                      I guess if Jesus was a carpenter why can’t our economic saviour be a masseuse.

                    • weka

                      Plenty of people know what needs to be done KK.

                      What’s less certain is why so many people think that when you find that your boat has sunk you can magic up another boat out of nothing instead of swimming for shore. The stupidity burns, literally.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      KK – sorry mate it has to be a collective effort.

                      You’re going to be hearing that word a lot more going forward, because the cult of the individual is slowly running out of time – as we run out of the oil which powers it.

                    • King Kong

                      So CV, is that one word of our new economic manifesto each or are we going to appoint a committee of those who know themselves to be fabulously insightful and gifted (your time to shine brother).

                      My experience, such that it is, has always shown that committees are terrific vehicles for delivering top notch, clearly thought out and concise results.

                    • i think kongy deserves/gets todays lycra-ripping-groin-stretcher-of-a-lie-award..

                      ..norman ‘implied’ nothing of the sort..

                      ..norman quoted…he didn’t imply…

                      ..kongy must be squeezingly-angry..eh..?

                      ..to make this shit up..

                      ..phillip ure..

                    • rhinocrates

                      Wow, this is quite fun. I never thought of ape-baiting as a sport until now, but the thing about reactionaries is, well, that they react – they simply can’t help themselves.

                      I really shouldn’t be amused – I sincerely disapprove of cruelty to animals, but I can’t help but chuckle.

                      Do you get it KK? You’re not an irritant, you’re an amusement.

                    • Martin

                      We all have it coming too, including you. Most won’t realise iteven when that tornado whacks them round the ears or that floods starts fillinging their sinuses and mouths with water.

                      We all have profited from the drivers of civilization and now we are seeing payback time. ou can vote National or whatever you like. Climate change is locked in and the inertia will drive it until we go extinct and way beyond.
                      Got it?

                      If we wanted to make a difference 30-40 years back was the time to start not now.
                      If that is too disturbing or unpleasant, tough!

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    I asked for a quote KK. You give me your reckonings and feral inferations.

                    He quoted a speech that said these things are examples of what the world is heading for more of, and that we should pay attention to them. he didn’t say they had it coming.

                    That was just you being a giant fucking douche.

                    • King Kong

                      So because nobody has been aware of climate change it is not the Filipinos fault this time but now that Ginge has made everybody aware of it…then next time its on you.

                    • weka

                      If anyone is to blame it’s you KK. The rest of us have been wanting to take action to mitigate AGW for some time now. You, and people that think like you, are the ones causing the problem now.

                    • King Kong

                      I never realised that you were all so polite.

                      If I was sure that the building was on fire and there were people milling around by the doors who didn’t think so, It is unbelievable to think I would hang around and fry waiting for them to leave.

                      Unless of course I didn’t really think that the building was on fire but just wanted to cause a panic in order to rob the other patrons.

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      That’s a word salad.

                      What I want is the quote from Norman’s speech where he said what you claimed he said.

                      But you can’t , because you are just angry that he hurt your feelings when you were feeling good about being pious.

                    • weka

                      You really don’t get the global bit of AGW do you.

                      We can’t get out of the burning building unless we do so collectively. So dumb fucks like you who aren’t merely milling round the exits but are actively blocking them are responsible for all our deaths.

                      I know that you are all about the personal responsibility, so tell me this, if you did believe in AGW, where exactly do you think you could go if you made it out of the building under your own steam?

                    • King Kong

                      That is total leftie bollocks. It’s always the most important thing in the world…but someone else has to take the action.

                      If you clowns actually owned this stuff, people might start to take you more seriously.

                      In answer to the second part of your question…Mad Max style apocalypse.

                    • weka

                      But I am doing something KK, many things. As are most of the other people I know who take this seriously. So I’m not asking you to take action and me to do nothing, I’m asking you to take action with the rest of us. You thinking that I just suggested that only you take action is total righty bollocks. Not to mention comprehension fail.

                      Running out of arguments are we? How about answering Pb’s request then?

                      “In answer to the second part of your question…Mad Max style apocalypse.”

                      Ah, so now we have it. You would prefer to live in a world of brutality as long as you’re all right jack. Which I guess explains why you won’t take AGW seriously. You’re having a bet each way.

                    • framu

                      no – whats bollocks is your building analogy and you thinking that your opinion of what someone said is the same thing as what they said

                      would you like a shovel for that big hole of stupid your digging?

                      \note: its not that i disagree with you – its that your not making a lot of sense and completely avoiding where people point that out

                    • King Kong

                      “and you thinking that your opinion of what someone said is the same thing as what they said”

                      Just like when Key said “we aren’t giving the Pike river families a payout on behalf of the company because it will set a precedent and the potential for inequality in the way Govt treats victims of terrible accidents” and David Cunliffe implies that to mean that Govt couldn’t give a shit about the Pike River victims families?

                    • weka

                      Is that you agreeing that you were wrong?

                    • King Kong

                      Only if that’s you saying you are in love with me.

                    • weka

                      Another logic fail then. Are you going to keep this up all day?

                    • King Kong

                      No, I have meetings this arvo but I will give it one last try…

                      If you stand up in a period that has been set aside for passing on condolences to the victims of a natural disaster (exactly what all speakers from the other parties did) and you use it to go on a rant about climate change, how is that not blaming the victims for their own demise (for the reasons I stated above)?

                    • Pascal's bookie

                      Because words have meanings that’s why.

                      If you could quote the words he used that imply what you reckon he was saying, it would be a great help.

                    • weka

                      Yeah, we’ve been through this already several times KK. You heard blame because of some shit in your head. It’s not what Norman said.

                    • BLiP

                      Here’s how its really done, and this is what a real speaker looks like . . .

                      http://youtu.be/XDtClJYJBj8

              • Rogue Trooper

                did he really KK

            • infused 6.1.2.1.1.2

              Then you’re retarded.

            • Redrobin 6.1.2.1.1.3

              “As far as I can tell, ya’ll are upset because he made skeptics feel bad, as they should.”

              Thought Police here we come…

          • framu 6.1.2.1.2

            Then stop behaving like a giant fucking douche bag

            you know – if you dropped the rape minimisation, racism, name calling and general arsehole-ness you put out you might have something worth saying

            your so consistantly offensive on any given subject you really dont have any right to be getting upset here

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 6.1.3

        The wingnuts are lining up to out-froth one another

        Aren’t they, just:

        http://thestandard.org.nz/groser-says-govt-ministers-in-denial-of-reality/#comment-727924

    • karol 6.2

      Russell

      Would this be Russell Crowe? Amazing as to who gets claimed as Kiwis and who isn’t, depending on the perspective of the claimer.

      And the muddled and unintentionally ironic reference to MK, boggles the mind.

      • King Kong 6.2.1

        So the fact he doesn’t spell his name like every other Russell in the world is the best you’ve got.

        As it goes, I knew he only has one “L” but the spelling auto correct changed it. Even the dictionary thinks it’s twatish.

        • Pascal's bookie 6.2.1.1

          Considering the best you’ve got is ‘go home to aussie’ and some crap about your german mate, I’d say the Russel thing was pretty much a round one knock out.

        • karol 6.2.1.2

          No, my point still stands however the names are written. Russel Norman shows way more commitment to the future of NZ than the likes of Russell Crowe.

          The whole labeling of Norman as a “Commie Aussie” is just a diversion and has no relevance to the issue.

  7. BLiP 7

    . . . So, what does Key think? Does he agree with Tim Groser that only someone who is “in denial of reality” denies man-made climate change? Or does he agree with Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet? Or with Brownlee, English, and Ross, who clearly are deniers but lack the guts to say it . . .

    Its very difficult to know exactly what John Key thinks. He is on record as having said:

    I firmly believe in climate change and always have

    . . . yep, you guessed, its another John Key lie.

  8. photonz1 8

    The International Panel on Climate Change says –

    “In its most recent assessment on global warming the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found there were no identifiable long term trends when comes to tropical cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons.”

    Russel Norman says Climate Change will mean more tropical storms.

    When it comes to the science, who is the denialist – Russel Norman or the IPCC?

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      No links as usual mate? Making stuff up as usual, mate?

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1

        Links, you want:

        IPCC AR5

        http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_Chapter02.pdf

        2.6.3

        Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century and it remains uncertain whether any reported long-term increases in tropical cyclone frequency are robust, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.

          • Pascal's bookie 8.1.1.1.1

            To be fair, that link might not be of the same quality as ‘some dude writing in the Daily Telegraph’ like the one DPF used, but it’s probably better.

        • weka 8.1.1.2

          Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century and it remains uncertain whether any reported long-term increases in tropical cyclone frequency are robust, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.

          Haven’t read that in context, but on the face of it aren’t they saying they don’t know?

          • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.1

            But Russel does.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.1.1

              I’m never sure how this works. If you don’t agree with the IPCC’s findings you are a denier. Unless you are Russel Norman.

              • Macro

                http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/tornado/2012/ann/tornado-counts-0112-2012.png

                now of course this is only the US….

                and we don’t want to cause alarm amongst the populace….

                but that graph would indicate a trend would it not??

                • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                  Fuck, marco. You think maybe the IPCC didn’t know about your graph? Maybe they’re not doing a very good job.

                  • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                    Gormy picks cherries,
                    Dumps mendacious litany,
                    Jaw is flapping too.

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Hey OAK, if you don’t like something in the report, don’t take it up with me. I didn’t write it. Your problem’s with the IPCC.

                      And you know it’s not cherry picking. It’s quoting.

                    • Macro

                      Yes it is quoting – but then the fact remains that the timeframe for the drafting of the report means that a lot of new results and findings are not included. Since the cut-off for AR5, the literature has moved somewhat towards expecting more tropical cyclones and more intense storms as warming progresses.

                      The IPCC reports are by nature conservative in their content – they have to be to gain the consensus from many people with many barrows to push. That unfortunately does not always lead to the correct answer nor to full extent of the situation. A real expert in Hurricanes Dr Jeff Masters has this to say:

                      “A remarkable warming of the sub-surface Pacific waters east of the Philippines in recent decades, due to a shift in atmospheric circulation patterns and ocean currents that began in the early 1990s, could be responsible for the rapid intensification of Super Typhoon Haiyan. Hurricanes are heat engines, which means they take heat energy out of the ocean, and convert it to kinetic energy in the form of wind. It’s well-known that tropical cyclones need surface water temperatures of at least 26.5°C (80°F) to maintain themselves, and that the warmer the water, and the deeper the warm water is, the stronger the storm can get. Deep warm water is important, since as a tropical cyclone tracks over the ocean, it stirs up cooler water from the depths, potentially reducing the intensity of the storm. When both Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita exploded into Category 5 hurricanes as they crossed over a warm eddy in the Gulf of Mexico with a lot of deep, warm water, the concept of the total heat energy available to fuel a hurricane–the Tropical Cyclone Heat Potential (TCHP)–became one that gained wide recognition. The Pacific Ocean east of the Philippines has the largest area of deep, warm water of anywhere on Earth, and these waters have historically fueled the highest incidence of Category 5 storms of anywhere on the planet. Super Typhoon Haiyan tracked over surface waters that were of near-average warmth, 29.5 – 30.5°C (85 – 87°F.) However, the waters at a depth of 100 meters (328 feet) beneath Haiyan during its rapid intensification phase were a huge 4 – 5°C (7 – 9°F) above average, judging by an analysis of October average ocean temperatures from the Japan Meteorological Agency (Figure 1.) As the typhoon stirred this unusually warm water to the surface, the storm was able to feed off the heat, allowing Haiyan to intensify into one of the strongest tropical cyclones ever observed.”

                      http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2579

                      It is also of note that 90% of global heating is going into the oceans and a large proportion of that is ending up in the deeper oceans

          • Draco T Bastard 8.1.1.2.2

            Yes, that’s what it means. Logically though, an increase in energy in the ecosphere must result in larger and more damaging storms. It’s just a question of when and how long before the statistics show it.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 8.1.1.2.2.1

              Well, maybe until then, Russel and his mates should stop making shit up.

              • Rogue Trooper

                fore-warned is fore-armed.

                • weka

                  Nah, we should just wait until we’re on fire before we do anything.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    I don’t think that there will be any truly effective solutions implemented in time so we have to hold on for the ride.

                    • weka

                      Anything we can do will help. I reckon we should keep trying. In this sense KK kind of has a point. Why haven’t we taken to the streets yet?

                    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                      Maybe reducing greenhouse emissions will stop all the other stuff that global warming has not been proved to be causing while we’re at it. Maybe it’s causing the All Whites to be shit. And One Anonymous Knucklehead to be such a misanthrope.

              • Draco T Bastard

                Did you read the link from PB? The statistics already show such an increase.

        • Rogue Trooper 8.1.1.3

          motivated today G.

  9. jaymam 9

    “Colin Craig that it’s all the orbits of the planet” – I think we need to get the actual quote from Craig. I suspect he is quoting the few scientists who theorise that the orbits of the planets affect sunspots.

    This paper in Nature says “The Sun’s magnetic activity varies cyclically over a period of about 11 years. An analysis of a new, temporally extended proxy record of this activity hints at a possible planetary influence on the amplitude of the cycle.”:
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v493/n7434/full/493613a.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20130131

    However most scientists don’t believe that. I don’t believe the effect is significant either! But we do know that sunspots affect climate. And the changing orbit of the Earth around the sun has by far the biggest effect on climate, and causes huge temperature swings around every 100,000 years, if you look at the ice core studies.

  10. Madame Defarge 10

    Come the revolution, I’d spare Tim Groser, only because a) he at least recognises the value of teaching Te Reo early in the life of all New Zealanders. If they chose not to pursue that later in life – at high school – then that is their prerogative. And b) he has reasonably been consistent on the source on climate change – humanity.
    The rest of the Tory bastards, I’d flog, then send off to the guillotine!! Absolute charlatans, liars and scoundrels the lot of them. “Off with their heads!!”

  11. Pascal's bookie 11

    Fresh polling from the US

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/13/climate-change-red-state-opinion-america-study?CMP=twt_gu

    “To me, the most striking finding that is new today was that we could not find a single state in the country where climate scepticism was in the majority”

  12. weka 12

    King Kong,

    “His political grandstanding on the back of thousands of dead Filipinos was crass and vulgar…but what do you expect when you let an Aussie into your house.”

    Some of us couldn’t quite follow KK’s logic this morning, so let’s go to the Philippines’ govt itself –

    Today the Philippines climate change chief, Yeb Sano, was saluting Mr Norman via Twitter, offering his “deepest appreciation for his heart-warming gesture”.

    The gesture – recounting Mr Sano’s speech – was slammed by National MPs because it was made during time set aside to honour typhoon victims.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Norman-vindicated-by-Philippines-govt-tweet/tabid/1607/articleID/321218/Default.aspx

  13. aerobubble 13

    I was wondering, when a cat owner moves what do the cats in the area think? That Roger the cat died? Anyway, that reminds me of something Brownlee said today in parliament. When asked about roading investment, he replied that road users had fully funded it, that it would be a tax on car users to spend the investment on public transport. Now sure, if you ignore the facts, that taxation was directly purposed like that, which it is not (as many a pacifist re-military spending). If you ignore the fact that investing in more roads gives more choice to car users as opposed to other tax payers who don’t use cars (or would not if they had a choice) – and so make one culture of road use predominate which is highly inefficient use of roads paid for by all NZ over the decades (and restricts choice of car owners to switch modes). If you ignore the fact that increasing public transport removes cars from roads and so speeds up the network, and so only a dumb cat would argue that having more space to move was a tax.

    But hey Brownlee thought a fellow minister today was deluded when that minister failed to remember who was the NZ PM in 2008. Delusional front bench if you ask me. Its all about making NZ more inefficient, so National can sell off NZ to foreigners cheap.

  14. rhinocrates 14

    KK’s really having a meltdown today and damnit, I’m out of popcorn!

    • King Kong 14.1

      I would tell you to get yourself down to the shop but of course the Police Commissioner has surveillance set up out side your house in order to track your movements.

      • Rogue Trooper 14.1.1

        meanwhile you appear in a cage already.

      • fender 14.1.2

        Nah those pigs are in the drive-thru queue at McDonalds. Shave some fur from around your eyes, ape shit.

        • fappity 14.1.2.1

          Exactly how old are you?

          It’s pretty damn pathetic for a grown adult to repeatedly use such childish language and think they are being funny, clever or appropriate

          • Pascal's bookie 14.1.2.1.1

            If you say so, “fappity”

          • fender 14.1.2.1.2

            I’m 99, hence the slow reply.

            I don’t normally refer to them as pigs very often (if that’s what you refer to), but after seeing the outrage from the ghastly BM last time it was used I threw it in for his entertainment.

            But if it makes you unhappy fappity, I’m sorry :oops:

            • lprent 14.1.2.1.2.1

              Cool in all respects.. You just have to hit the ton (and beyond). My grandmother hit 99 and 7 months, but was a bit out of it for a number of years..

              I like the idea of a centurian blogger almost double my age capable of doing more than 1600 argued and often irreverant comments. There is hope for me keeping my brains as long as the arteries hold out.

              • fender

                Now I feel absurd for being so absurd! I’m a little less than half that, but I hope we and TS are still around in another fifty odd! Hope I don’t attract a ban for lying about my age, but I could protest that I meant I’m an agent…., agent 99!

            • Colonial Viper 14.1.2.1.2.2

              Actually 99?

              Like 99 years?

              I imagined half that…

              • fender

                And if we met you could win me over if you said I looked a third of that!

                Sorry mate I’m only 45…..going on 18 (mental age!) :twisted:

          • weka 14.1.2.1.3

            ‘Pigs’ is child language?

            I would have tagged it to the hippies. Or the Young Ones.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 14.1.3

        Cousin Ape, wingnuts have been running that “you’re just paranoid” line since Jesus threw the money lenders out of the temple.

        Haven’t you got an original thought to save yourself? Have a banana.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 14.2

      Loving your access to the higher echelons of the establishment Rhino. Ignore the jealous monkey, he’ll just throw his poop at you.

  15. Royton De'Ath 15

    Thank Goodness KK and TGF are with us; fighting the fight that needs to be fought – hewing to their tumescent hind-brains, providing the tiny galvanizing squirts of bio-stuff that provide some flickering evidence of sentience.

    That AR5 quote showed ‘em, TGF; those demmed Bolsheviks should be running for cover now. Nothing like good dose of cold, hard quotes being shoved up them, eh?

    What about this for another dose of the AR5 that you so lovingly administer?

    ‘Time series of cyclone indices such as power dissipation, an aggregate compound of tropical cyclone frequency, duration, and intensity that measures total wind energy by tropical cyclones, show upward trends in the North Atlantic and weaker upward trends in the western North Pacific since the late 1970s … , but interpretation of longer-term trends is again constrained by data quality concerns …’

    And this summary should have the desired evacuative effect, emanating as it will from your self-administered enemas:

    ‘Confidence remains low for long-term (centennial) changes in tropical cyclone activity, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities. However, it is virtually certain that the frequency and intensity of the strongest tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic has increased since the 1970s.’

    Let’s hope (wink, wink) that the bolshies don’t notice the obviously understated, conservative, nature of the conclusions reached by the World Government Boffins. But, you will be sure, we are sure, that the virtual certainty about cyclonic activity in the NA, will have no relevance to anywhere else ‘cos, like, it’s like, “several streets over”, sort of analogy thing.

    And let’s hope that the data issues aren’t sorted out, because then They’ll try to find out things, like, you know … confirm trends of cyclonic intensity and/or frequency in the NP … or something. That rotten super typhoon may just make Them do just that. They’re such rotters.

    And that boxer/congressman/hero is really, really, really helping out:

    ‘His status as a national hero in the Philippines meant Pacquiao considered leaving the training camp to help relief efforts, but Roach said it was too close to the fight to alter preparations.
    “It’s way too close to the fight, he needs to double down,” Roach said, although he granted his fighter much of Wednesday off, giving him the chance to help out remotely.’
    (13/11/13)

    Gosh. Now, that’s real dedication …

    Such wonderfully little treasures of rationality and humanity.

  16. xtasy 16

    National Party position: “The earth is flat, as we can only see as far as the tip of our noses, and there is no detectable evidence that disproves our position!”

    “Also is the earth the centre of the universe, as God created us out of clay and we must be the centre for that mere fact!” “Hence it MUST be REAL that the sun revolves around earth, rather than the opposite, as the tip of our noses tell us such.”

    “Climate is changeable due to sun spot activity, rotation moves of planets and the imaginations of fallible minds prone to perception of any ideas.”

    “Signed by John Key, and agreed to by Colin Cringe (da Craig)”.

  17. Ok this is so chardonnay of me, but Jami Lee Ross? Never trust a man on a parliamentary salary who still seems to buy his suits and ties at Tommy Gun.

  18. captain hook 18

    cut to the chase and the climate science denialists (who hoo) are just greedy pigs who imagine that the world was put here for them to eat their lunch on and trash as they see fit.
    The ones in the National party are comming more and more to resemble the nasties in a marvel comic or a dennis wheatley novel who think tha the dark lord is going to reward them for their allegiance but no he will swallow them whole too.
    And all their flash hotels and golf clubs and legions of arse lickers and menial myrmidons will not save them.

  19. Lloyd 19

    I suppose those persons who disparage Russell Norman because he came from Australia are quite happy for New Zealand citizens to pay taxes in Australia specifically linked to social welfare kiwis can’t receive due to anti-kiwi laws? After all none of us here in New Zealand are migrants or descendants of migrants are we? We all know that migrants should be shunned, banned, ignored and banished to the gulags, don’t we?

    I also assume the climate deniers are frogs sitting in slowly warming water denying its is getting warmer until they get cooked….

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    I feel really sorry for the members and supporters of the Labour Party as they watch their caucus tear itself to shreds. And no matter what the outcome of the coming leadership race Labour members and supporters will be the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Ummmm, why is Auckland Transport spying on Aucklanders?
    Ummm. What? Sophisticated surveillance coming to Auckland Surveillance technology that uses high definition cameras and software that can put names to faces and owners to cars is coming to Auckland. The surveillance has the capability to also scan social media...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • It. Is. About. The. Economy. Stupid.
    Liam Dann does a good job of explaining the positive and negative issues looming for the NZ economy and as dairy prices plunge again overnight alongside a large Wall st sell off  and China Bank rumours begin, his case for the negative...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Don’t think of it as reinvading Iraq, think of it as redecorating Iraq
    I think some NZers view Iraq like an episode of The Block. Yes Iraq is the worst country on the street, but with a bit of elbow grease by our SAS and some great deals down at Bunnings, hey presto we...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Mana Maori alliance
    Most Maori you speak to on the street can’t understand why Mana movement and  Maori Party don’t combine it confuses them why Maori are divided cross benches in Parliament instead of a unified political power that represents 15% of the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Party members and affiliates – the real losers in Labour’s leadership f...
    Hey, wanna do a back room deal that cuts the members and affiliates out? Cunliffe must be reeling. He has lost failed Ilam candidate James Dann. It must cut as deep as the loss of Steve Gibson. Apart from providing Claire...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election res...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election result...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • The rich get richer
    Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman highlights the growing inequality in this article in the New York Times. The left wing slogan that the “the rich get richer” is a fact of almost perverse power. The most recent period of expansion in the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • A brief word on reinvading Iraq
    So after telling the country before the election that NZ would not send forces to Iraq, lo and behold now he’s won the election with a full spectrum dominance political majority, Key is suddenly now looking to join the re-invasion of...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • A brief word on the importance of ACT, Maori Party and United Future to Nat...
    I’m a far right wing clown who attacks tax money going on anything collective, gimmie some cash and privilege.  One of the great successes of National has been to implement hard right policy but have it sold as moderate. For some NZers,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Labour’s Angst
    Was Labour’s predictably low vote David Cunliffe’s fault? Was it policy? Was it something else that has aroused perceptions of electoral carnage? My analysis of the numbers suggests that, as uncertain voters made up their minds, there was a late...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Information wars: Gaza as “the last taboo”, the threat of mass surveill...
    “When the truth is replaced with silence” wrote the soviet dissident Yevgeni Yevtushenko, “the silence is a lie.” There has been a silence these past months full of noise, static and sound bites of those in power justifying their violence,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • When the media say they covered Dirty Politics – did they?
    I was watching The Nation in the weekend, and watched the defenders of NZ media up against Minto telling him he was wrong in his claims of media bias and that the media covered Dirty Politics. I laughed. When the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG – P Campbell – To the Left with love
    A week after the general election results I feel wrung out emotionally, having been through the disappointment, depression and anger of seeing  another right wing government elected overwhelmingly by winning support from the parts of NZ that will never benefit...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – I will be the new Labour Leader!
    One week after the election, while I was still waiting to be consulted about contributing to the review on what went wrong, what do you know? There is a leadership challenge. So instead of opting for a united, thoughtful and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – A Prescient Post
    A very prescient pre-election post by Martyn Bradbury tells us why the Labour Party are at war now. “The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work” Despite Martyn Bradbury warning them this Right Wing strategy “Better Work”...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – W(h)ither Labour (!/?)
    There’s an old saying that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Not so in the Labour Party, wherein soul-crushing defeat on a scale unseen since 1925 definitely has many fathers (and more than a few mothers and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • At the end of the day…
    At the end of the day…...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty
    Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Internet MANA the election and the media
    I’ve been very critical of media reporting of Internet MANA during the election campaign and not surprised at the predictable response from representatives of the corporate media establishment. I wasn’t going to carry this further but was asked at the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Rachel Jones – A superficial discourse analysis of a superfic...
    On Sunday there was a story about Paddy Gower and his detached retina in the Herald on Sunday. Really? I hear you ask. Really? Yes, really. Pam Corkery will have sprayed toast crumbs over her dressing gown. The reporter has become...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Terrorising Australia’s Muslim population
    We should be suspicious when 800 police conduct “terror” raids across Australia, but only one person is charged with a relevant terrorism offence (of which we know few details). We should be suspicious of the lurid tales of terrorists planning...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its min...
    Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its mind. I know the Labour party has its problems and I’m not even going to try to prescribe what should be done about it. But what I...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Loyalty, Leadership and the Labour Party
    My first after the election and I can only say I’m feeling pretty sad.  It was a terrible result, and feels even more so knowing the number of volunteers hours, hard work & sacrifice made by so many people who...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Cunliffe vs Robertson – Round 2
    Much to the disappointment of the NZ Herald and other right wing pundits who have decided they would like to appoint the next Labour leader, Cunliffe has surprised by deciding to damn the Caucus and appeal directly to the members...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The tasks before the left and labour movement
    Anyone on the left would have been disappointed at the result of the election. There was an opportunity to win, but that got lost through a combination of factors. There were tactical decisions made by Labour, the Greens and Internet-Mana...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Robertson now expected to be Labour leader by Xmas
    Grant Robertson is now overwhelmingly picked to become the next leader of the Labour Party by the end of the year, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Another potential Labour...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Documenting historic Māori land law cases for the first time
    A new book from Victoria University of Wellington’s Faculty of Law will continue to put the spotlight on Māori Land Law judgments which have never before been published....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • ‘Oily’ people greet Petroleum Summit diners
    Greenpeace activists smeared in fake oil have greeted guests arriving at the part-Statoil sponsored Petroleum Summit dinner this evening....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Key Decisions Made About Labour’s Leadership Election
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has made the key decisions about the timetable and process around the election of Labour’s Party Leader. The result will be announced on Tuesday 18th November, following a comprehensive and extensive process unique...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Suspected $6 Million Dollar Wananga Fraud Alarming
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on on the Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi to front up over claims the Wananga has pocketed government overpayments amounting to $6 million of taxpayers' money. Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
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