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Growing our own Breivik

Written By: - Date published: 11:50 am, July 26th, 2011 - 152 comments
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Just after Irish has discussed how little it takes to jump from the violent language of the NZ Right to the violent actions of Anders Breivik (and an ‘expert‘ had said it can’t happen here), we learn of a rabidly anti-socialist businessman who planned a van-bomb attack on ACC.

Alan Thomas has been convicted of charges arising from plans to set off the fire alarm at an ACC office, then set of a nail-packed van bomb when the staff gathered outside. Amazingly, this plan, which had progressed to downloading bomb making manuals, has resulted in just 10 months home detention.

You can get a taste of Thomas’s anti-’socialist’ views on the ACC Forums, which he apparently wrecked nearly single-handed with his rants – although you’ll find his comments tame compared to the fare found on rightwing blogs. He posted images of Helen Clark as a Soviet Marshal and made homophobic remarks – the kind of stuff you can see any day on Whaleoil.

Thomas also judged acceptable enough by the institutional Right that Bill Birch spoke at one of his get rich quick seminars (why do the rich always want to get rich, and quick, even if it means trying to rip off a ‘socialist’ institution they hate?). Likewise, the perpetrators of violent and divisive language on the Right are still embraced by its leadership here and, more notably, in the US.

The point is not that all rightwingers are on the edge of becoming murderers but that the violent language and hate-filled imagery they use makes the leap to real violence for some more easy, more likely, for some on the Right.

Time for a more responsible discourse from the Right.

152 comments on “Growing our own Breivik”

  1. higherstandard 1

    Does this site do anything apart from dogwhistling anymore ?

    Come back Marty G and Clinton Smith I miss the graphs.

    • lprent 1.1

      Well I seem to h ave seen quite a few interesting charts go through recently. I was particularly impressed by Eddies over the weekend.

      And I see some more guest ones that I have to pull out and post. But election season has started so these often get pushed out of ‘primetime’

      • higherstandard 1.1.1

        All good.

        No surprising that there’s a significant amount of frothing leading into the election – I think the NZ political interwebs will hit a even higher peak of inanity than in 2008.

        Pretty much at the moment it consists of abuse of Key for another turgid comment followed by a rebuttal of abuse for Goff for an equally turgid comment, then a decent into screeching of RWNJ vs LWNJ not realising that the pretty much the same beast – bit like watching a group of parents at a kids sports game who have lost the plot.

        • chris73 1.1.1.1

          Being part of the screeching I still have to say this is a pretty accurate summation of life on political blogs

        • lprent 1.1.1.2

          Well ideally we’d argue about policy.

          However neither the media nor many of the near trolls that frequent the blogs actually give that much of a shit about policy. For that matter policy for many political parties appears to be something they often prefer to conceal* rather than espouse this far from an election. Anyway much of the media and the near trolls see capable of understanding something as abstract as policy unless someone writes some bullet points.

          Of course there are some sites that do argue about policy. Kiwipolitico comes to mind (fails to find one on the right – maybe that libertarianz site?). But policy sites do tend to be a bit dull.

          Despite all of the froth, on the way through we get posts and comments that I like to read – and so evidentially the non-trolls who are worth listening to. And the rest is kind of amusing.

          In any case, a lot of the site traffic is based around pushing and testing messages from various sides and angles and arguing about them – the quintessential essence of political debate with a bit of humor and a certain amount of moderation (just like the house). Sometimes amusing. Sometimes it starts boring me to tears with the drivel – in which case I tend to close down the ‘debate’ because it is going nowhere (my assumption is that if I’m bored with seeing repetitive chanting of slogans and taunts then everyone else will be as well – I don’t get too many complaints :twisted:).

          By the sound of it, that Norwegian would have been turfed from here for being a humorless idiot.

          But if you want a serious site where you won’t get bored… Ummm The Economist blogs are always fun (for me).

          But political blogs are fun when people are robustly arguing – and you can have a sense of amusement about the topics you’re uninterested in.

          * The Labour opposition is however doing a credible attempt to put out policy outlines well before the election. Makes a change from the cretins in National opposition last election with their meaningless bullet points and idiotic mantra of tax-cuts.

          • Sam 1.1.1.2.1

            I like it how quite often someone will step back and try to make the conversation more civil, only for it to turn into a shouting match a few posts later. At least you can’t call anyone on here insincere, they stand by their fucked up views.

            • Colonial Viper 1.1.1.2.1.1

              Someone calls for a race war in gunning down 80+ Labour Party Youth Movement members and you are looking for a ‘civil discussion’?

              Join a gardening group perhaps?

  2. So a nutter wanting to nail bomb the ACC is something that shouldn’t be talked about then?

    Why are you and your ilk always so keen to define the boundaries of acceptable discussion for us?

    Please move on, nothing to see here…

    • Vicky32 2.1

      I wonder why I had heard nothing about this crack-pot until I read it here? Thank God he didn’t actually do it, or we’d be having a different conversation…

  3. Todd 3

    This guy is a complete idiot, whether he votes left or right is complete nonsense and most people will see it this way.Seems to me over here on this site that the important points are left is good right is bad.This doesn’t concern me but i dont know how many people would believe it,not judging by how popular the so called right is at the moment.

    • Draco T Bastard 3.1

      whether he votes left or right is complete nonsense

      Make no mistake – this dude votes right.

      …popular the so called right is at the moment.

      Popularity doesn’t prove that it’s morally right.

      • Colonial Viper 3.1.1

        And they’re not that popular. If National & cohorts truly believed that they could rule with an outright majority, they wouldn’t be trying to prop ACT up and be playing silly buggers in general.

        5% of NZ’ers earn more than $90K p.a.

        50% earn less than $30K p.a.

        When peeps starting waking up, NAT is fraked.

  4. Peter Bains 4

    At least this guy is more honest about his intentions than Goff regarding SIS matters.

    • McFlock 4.1

      Ah – so in your tory paradise, claiming “flicked by” =/= “thorough briefing” is morally  worse than “planning to nail-bomb innocent people”.

      Get some perspective, dickwad.

      • Ten Miles Over 4.1.1

        First time I’ve heard “thorough briefing” mentioned, do you have a link to where anyone has said that prior to yourself?

        • McFlock 4.1.1.1

          fair enough, rephrase:

          Ah – so in your tory paradise, claiming “flicked by” =/= “briefed” is morally  worse than “planning to nail-bomb innocent people”.

          My, what a substantive rephrase that was. Now you get to slide the thread into whether there is a major difference between “briefed” and “thorough briefing”, away from the fact that someone actually compared EITHER interpretation with mass murder.
           

          Get some perspective, dickwad.

          • bbfloyd 4.1.1.1.1

            mcflock,… you don’t happen to be a professional contortionist in real life do you? i’ve read your comment five times now and i feel like a pretzel.

            can you give me the ciphers so that i can decode it please?

            • McFlock 4.1.1.1.1.1

              Peter Bains stated that someone who commits mass murder is “more honest about his intentions than Goff regarding SIS matters.”. I took exception to the concept that the two are morally comparable, and suggested that in my opinion this indicates Bains is metaphorically a “dickwad”.
              TMO implicitly drew my attention to the fact that I used the words “thorough briefing” where I should have said “briefed”. I rephrased, and suggested that being passive-aggressive about the use of the word “thoroughly”  in that context was disingenuous enough to also earn the title “dickwad”.
               
              Personally I think the two are completely separate conversations.
               
              Better?

  5. Time for a more responsible discourse from the Right.

    Yes. And from the centre and the left don’t you think?

  6. Tell us all about this “irresponsible discourse” then Pete.

  7. queenstfarmer 7

    Oh boy, another disgraceful post, this time attempting to link the actions of a loon criminal with “the Right”.

    Presumably you would advocate finding out who each person guilty of serious crimes (or terror-related charges) last voted for (or “associated with”), and then blame all members of that party / group / affiliation, and then make the comment “not that all [insert group here] are on the edge of becoming murderers…”

    Lets pick one: Stalin murdered people. The point is not that all socialists are on the edge of becoming murderers but that the violent language and hate-filled imagery they use makes the leap to real violence for some more easy, more likely, for some on the Left.

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      ahem the old Socialist Republic there was not socialist.

      Centrally planned dictatorial stateism is not socialism.

      • The Voice of Reason 7.1.1

        Er, actually it was socialist, CV. It certainly went off the rails under Uncle Joe’s leadership, but the seeds for that were the West’s intervention in the years immediately after the revolution and the attempted assasination of Lenin, which weakened his leadrship until his early death. Trotsky’s immaturity didn’t help much either. 
         
        While the Soviet Union may not be a terrific advert for socialism in toto, it definitely had a few good years under VI Lenin where it was a beacon to the progressive world. If he’d lived, the outcome may have been radically different, though, clearly, Stalin was the right leader for them to have in the early forties.
         
         

        • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.1

          Er, actually it was socialist,

          Not quite.

          Socialism depended, for Lenin, on the mass activity of workers, who would themselves put into practice the policies of their centrally elected bodies. This is what a workers state means, and this is what happened in Russia in the first few months of the revolution.
          But over the next 12 years, this state was transformed into its opposite.

          Russia: The Making of the Revolution by Steve Wright

          I’ve seen estimates that socialism/commun1sm lasted about 50 days after the revolution.

        • bbfloyd 7.1.1.2

          t.v.o.r.. you talk like you know your subject…. shame it’s an illusion.

          • The Voice of Reason 7.1.1.2.1

            Yes, I know the subject very well, BB, and not just academically. Unlike many who claim a knowlege of the Soviet Union’s version of socialism, I have actually been there, seen how it works and can fully understand why so many Russians want it back. (Mainly because they liked it when they had jobs, education and a reasonable standard of living.)
             
             

      • chris73 7.1.2

        Ahem

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

        Whats your view point on this then

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.2.1

          So you agree that the Socialist Republic was not socialist?

          Red Army Faction – good old terrorist organisation with political values. And?

          • chris73 7.1.2.1.1

            Red Army Faction are/were left wingers but the point is not that all left-wingers are on the edge of becoming murderers but that the violent language and hate-filled imagery they use makes the leap to real violence for some more easy, more likely, for some on the Left.

            I’ve had people on this site tell me to drop dead, that my parents wish I’d never been born etc etc

            Should I be worried that someone from the left may try to do me harm based on the rantings of this site? (Be funny if someone tried but I’m sure you get my point)

            Time for a more responsible discourse from the Left.

            • The Voice of Reason 7.1.2.1.1.1

              Chris, you disingenious tool, the comment about your parents was in response to your wankfest about the joys of eugenics. I suggested that they probably supported it too, now, based on how you turned out.
               
              If you want to be offensive or just plain ignorant, then you are going to get dealt to on this site, but only intellectually. That’s not the same as being dealt to physically, which I recall was your threatening response to my joke about your parents’ disappointment in your failings. I would suggest that anger and intellectual weakness is what drives you. And one sad, twisted Norwegian as well.
               
               

              • chris73

                And?

                You still said something that could be described as “violent language and hate-filled imagery” (and you’re not the only one to tell me to drop dead or similar) but its OK because its only done “intellectually”

                Thats bullshit and you and anyone else who agrees with it is a hypocrite

                • The Voice of Reason

                  “Thats bullshit and you and anyone else who agrees with it is a hypocrite”
                   
                  I believe there’s a Norwegian who agrees with you 100% Chris.

            • Colonial Viper 7.1.2.1.1.2

              chris73 stop living in the past the new wave of right wing extremism is here now, not in the 1970′s with the Red Army Faction.

              Who by the way, killed fewer people over decades than Braevik did in a day.

              • chris73

                Ted Kaczynski- The Unabomber

                He wrote a manifesto that called for a worldwide revolution against the effects of modern society’s “industrial-technological system.”

                Is that better?

                • Blighty

                  calling for a return to a ‘better’ pre-industrial age makes him a reactionary. There’s a lot of that ‘back to the earth’ mythology is naz!sm too. Read the National Front’s manifesto.

                  And I’m still not quite sure of the objective here – find a violent leftie and, therefore, show there’s no connection between the violent rhetoric of the Right and Rightwing violence?

                • Vicky32

                  Ted Kaczynski- The Unabomber

                  Are you trying to claim Kaczynski as a leftist? WTF?

            • bbfloyd 7.1.2.1.1.3

              chris.. i won’t abuse you, or your mother. that would be mocking the afflicted… your interpretation of one tiny piece of the puzzle that was the norm for politics in europe during the cold war is laughable…

              displays of abysmal ignorance are not conducive to successful persuasion.

              • Akldnut

                Well at I bet you never had anyone write that your mother had an abortion in 73 and named him Chris. I wouldn’t tolerate it and I’m sure that no-one here would tolerate it either!

                I’d need to see a link before I believed that.

  8. Red Rosa 8

    Where are the Sensible Sentencing Trust when we need them?

    • rosy 8.1

      Yes. It would be nice to see McVicar screaming at the justice system over this 10-month sentence and the message it gives about protecting people who are just doing their job.

  9. Rich 9

    One would hope that we have sufficient control over explosives and the like that nutters like this can’t make the step from fantasy to reality.

    It’s a worry that a certain right wing blogger and convicted criminal still apparently has a gun license, though. I suspect there’s a big dual standard and righties get cut a dangerous amount of slack by sympathetic cops.

  10. weka 10

    has resulted in just 10 months home detention (not exactly severe punishment for a supposed invalid).
     

    Again with the disability bashing. What does that comment even mean? Leaving aside that you are in no position to make judgements about the medical status of someone (or if you are then make that explicit), it’s just bizarre that you would think that any invalid would have no real problem with 10 months of home detention. Although I guess we all that invalids don’t have a life and just lay around all day at home so what’s the dif, eh?
     
    Seriously, I know TS isn’t responsible as a whole for individual posts, but TS needs to get it’s shit together on disability issues.

    [fair cop. Hasty writing. A clumsy attempt to twist the knife on Thomas. Not a slight on disabled. Edited ASAP after it went up. Sorry. Eddie]

    • weka 10.1

      Thanks Eddie :-) (btw, it was a slight on the disabled despite your best intentions. Glad you fixed it).

  11. weka 11

    That ACC forum thread is a weird read. ACC as a socialist organisation? I always found them to be quite facist myself.

  12. Jeremy Harris 12

    Ha ha, you can always count on The Standard to use a tradegy to push the agenda.

    As a right-winger (or as I’m known here The Spawn of Satan) I obviously spend more time reading right-wing blogs, and apart from a few nutters, Brevik has roundly been condemned as the murderer and terrorist he is.

    Of course that doesn’t stop this site pulling a few of the comments from some of those on the right who have lost a full grasp on reality and attempt to paint all right-wingers as violent, unhinged, murderous lunatics – of course with a few begruding comments saying that this is of course not the case. It’s so easy to do and could so easily be applied by using comments from lefties who have left the land of reality from across the blogoshpere.

    Pathetic and it just shows how this blog is not to be taken seriously.

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      Ha ha, you can always count on The Standard to use a tradegy to push the agenda.

      That’s usually because real life events demonstrate the points of the Left extremely well.

      attempt to paint all right-wingers as violent, unhinged, murderous lunatics

      No, although Right Wing authoritarians seem to feel that it is their right to punish, harrass, victimise and intimidate people and groups that they think are beneath them, or whom they see as a threat to a conservative order of society.

      unhinged

      Breivak seems to have been extreme calm, rational and calculating. Nothing unhinged there.

    • wtl 12.2

      attempt to paint all right-wingers as violent, unhinged, murderous lunatics

      I have not seen anything of the sort. All I have seen are posts and comments arguing that SOME right-wingers like to use violent rhetoric (e.g. calling for ‘crusades’ to eliminate those they don’t like), and that this rhetoric is much more common among right-wingers than left-wingers. And the argument is being made that it is our collective responsibility to reduce or eliminate such rhetoric, as some individuals may actually be influenced by it enough to put it into action.

      But the response from most right-wingers is not that these are fair points, but instead some whinging about being treated a bit rudely on this site (e.g. being insulted on some occasions) and/or mischaracterising the arguments (as you have done).

      • wtl 12.2.1

        Furthermore, there is this seemingly deliberate refusal to acknowledge from the right wing commenters on this site that the attacks were politically motivated and targeted political active left-wingers.

        How would you feel if there was a very recent real world example of people similar to yourself being murdered simple because of your political views? And that the perpetrator used the same kind of language that is common among certain political blogs in attacking their opponents, and cited their arguments in support of what he was doing?

        In other words, try putting yourself in the shoes of the other side for once. If it was similar attack targetting your side, I myself would not be making comments such as yours on right wing blogs.

        • Colonial Viper 12.2.1.1

          Typical Right Wing personality

          - the lives of people who matter, matter more than the lives of the others.

          That’s why the US can cry about three dead marines in Iraq; a thousand civilians wrongly bombed to death by allied forces – *shrug*

  13. battleheed 13

    What a great society we live in that left wingers can make silly statements like this to wind up the righties, and the righties don’t react because it’s so silly.

    • Draco T Bastard 13.1

      You’re here and reacting aren’t you?

      • lprent 13.1.1

        He isn’t sure?

      • battleheed 13.1.2

        Lots of left wing extremist groups like to use violence too but don’t tell eddie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism#Organizations

        • Colonial Viper 13.1.2.1

          Sorry mate you must not be up with the play, dozens of Labour Party members were just slaughtered for real, just now.

          We’re not comparing football teams here.

          Europe has learnt that there is an emerging highly violent Right Wing undercurrent against Left politics, a brutal cold one, which must now be faced up to and dealt with.

          • battleheed 13.1.2.1.1

            The red brigades weren’t football teams, nor was shining path, get up with the play col vip I know you need a cause right now but I don’t think saying only extremists of one side are violent is gonna wash aye.

            • The Voice of Reason 13.1.2.1.1.1

              “weren’t” “nor was”
               
              Both words suggest you know those two organisations are long gone. Care to drag yourself into the 21st century?

              • jackal

                battleheed’s argument look’s a bit like the Oswald Bastable’s Rant where he attributes Fidel Castro amongst others to killing millions in comparison to Anders Breivik’s crimes. How batshit crazy can you get?

        • Draco T Bastard 13.1.2.2

          Yes, there’s a few left-wing extremists groups – 16 around the world according to that page. Nowhere near as many as there are right-wing. This page lists 15 such extremist right-wing groups in the US alone and that’s not all of them there either.

  14. Colonial Viper 14

    (why do the rich always want to get rich, and quick, even if it means trying to rip off a ‘socialist’ institution they hate?).

    indeed, they’re often not interested in creating new jobs, enterprises or industries. It is far faster and lower risk to asset strip and break down a country or an organisation for parts for sale than to nation build over generations.

    If the uber-wealthy are indeed supposed to be “job creators” (a classic right wing meme) then they are doing a piss poor job of it.

    Time for a more responsible discourse from the Right.

    Actually I think it’s time to make the general public see what the discourse of the Right actually is.

    They won’t change their discourse simply because it is fitting for their personality and you can’t change a person’s personality.

  15. Terry 15

    I am glad to know that right wingers are troubling themselves to read these columns! Witness how disturbed the columns make them! I am going to be critical of rightists, though I confess that I am obliged to generalise, sometimes unfairly (I am apolitical).
    The Right Wing (as with Republicans in America) is seriously lacking in heart, or compassion, for their fellow human beings – such as those in need of welfare, the sick and invalids, the poor
    (including the elderly) and so on. We unfortunately will have to put up with the fact that such Rightists exist in society and will be for ever with us. Such is the nature of humanity.
    The chief ambition of rightists is to make money and then still more money (greed), they are thorough materialists who despise the “down-and-outs” (Keys “underclasses”). Because, at the moment, the Tories are favoured this by no means that they are “better”. All it proves is that so many people possess the miserable qualities just outlined. I suppose that one word covers it and that is “selfishness” (or, if you prefer, engrossed by self-interest).

    • queenstfarmer 15.1

      I am apolitical

      Claiming to be “apolitical” is just as much a political belief system / ideology as any other, just like atheism (e.g. me) is just as much a belief set as any organised religion.

      • Colonial Viper 15.1.1

        Make a point. You are a human and humans run on beliefs. Tell us something we don’t know please.

    • Jeremy Harris 15.2

      I am glad to know that right wingers are troubling themselves to read these columns!

      The only time I stop by these days is when someone comments on other blogs (even NRT and the other leftie blogs from time to time) that you really must go over to The Standard and see the depths some disgraceful post or comment has reached from the rank and file.

      Like when the ChCh Earthquake happened, the more sane of us from the blogoshpere are pretty shocked at the poster’s ability to take a tradegy and paint it as a demonstration of how Socialism is the answer to all of life’s problems, no respect for the dead (in this case Socialists) just petty political point scoring.

      I come to laugh but just end up being throughly disgusted.

      • mik e 15.2.1

        The right complaining about our blogsThey don,t get groveling agreement ,they are aloud to say what they like. as opposed to their blogs which censor just about every thing they disagree with !But the main reason is to undermine the lefts moral by a campaign of misinformation and baiting.their criticisms are very well constructed .But when the facts are exposed they seem to give up and take the same position on the next issue.Try any decent argument old the right blogs and they just shut you down

        • tsmithfield 15.2.1.1

          According to the article I cited some of these groups have been involved in planting bombs. The fact they may not have killed anyone (yet) is probably a result of good luck rather than good management.

      • Colonial Viper 15.2.2

        Jeremy Harris is trying to teach us about respect. STFU mate.

        Like when the ChCh Earthquake happened, the more sane of us from the blogoshpere are pretty shocked at the poster’s ability to take a tradegy and paint it as a demonstration of how Socialism is the answer to all of life’s problems

        Did you notice how the state had to do every fucking thing in Christchurch?

        And now it has to insure Christchurch because the private sector won’t? Fair weather friends, the private sector ones you believe in.

        • Blue 15.2.2.1

          “Did you notice how the state had to do every fucking thing in Christchurch?” Of course, would you have it that they didn’t do anything, you moron? I can imagine your pants wetting gene getting warmed up thinking about it. Respect is a construct you have never had it seems. Girly your emotional instability problems are the stuff of legend.

          • Colonial Viper 15.2.2.1.1

            Well since I’m from the Left I clearly agree that the State should step up and take on its responsibilities to help the people; displacing the private sector if it is needed.

            Girly your emotional instability problems are the stuff of legend.

            lolz mate what are you, 14 again?

            Respect is a construct you have never had it seems.

            Respect your enemies, I understand that well.

        • Jeremy Harris 15.2.2.2

          Jeremy Harris is trying to teach us about respect. STFU mate.

          There was a time CV when you were a reasonable individual, who seeked to debate issues. These days you have approached the level of the nutcases who think “Bush did 9/11″. I doubt there is any social evil you don’t blame the “rich” and the “right” for – or can’t easily be convinced is their fault.

          Your descent into a rabid conspiracy theorist has been sad to watch but at least I can dismiss your ramblings these days, you used to be worthy of researched response.

          • bbfloyd 15.2.2.2.1

            yee haa! jeremy’s having a meltdown….. smells a bit, but the screaming and crying can tug your heartstrings for a while, ’till you get the earmuffs on anyway.

          • Colonial Viper 15.2.2.2.2

            There was a time CV when you were a reasonable individual

            The world progresses along the backs of unreasonable individuals. You know that right?

            These days you have approached the level of the nutcases who think “Bush did 9/11″.

            But I haven’t hit that level yet, according to your estimation? That is actually true since I don’t believe that Bush has the intrinsic capability to plan a pissup in a brewery.

            Your descent into a rabid conspiracy theorist has been sad to watch but at least I can dismiss your ramblings these days, you used to be worthy of researched response.

            Could you do me just one more favour? Research for me what the air burn temperature of av gas is…and what the melting point of structural steel is.

            • grumpy czeching in 15.2.2.2.2.1

              Hi CV, Just a note; “air burn temperature” supposes no draught. In the twin towers case, the height of the buildings and the substantial draught caused by the damage means air burn temp. goes out the window (so to speak).

              By the way, here in Jesenik, they are wondering where summer went, had a video conference today with a company in Spain – also no summer. Just as well you guys changed the name from “Global Warming” eh?

            • grumpy czeching in 15.2.2.2.2.2

              Hi CV, Air Burn temp. supposes no draught. In the twin towers case, due to height and builing damage there was a huge draught so Air Burn Temp. goes out the window (so to speak).

              Anyway, here in Jesenik, they are wondering where the summer (and tourists) went. Had a video conference today with a firm in Spain – same there.

              Just as well the name got changed from “Global Warming”, eh?

              • freedom

                grumpy czeching in
                you are aware that members of the 911 Commission have publicly stated that the Official 911 report does not tell the full story. Surely with your knowledge on 911 you are aware that the President would not testify before them unless accompanied by Cheney and all recording and transcribing of his testimony was NOT RECORDED. You are no doubt disturbed then by the fact many high ranking US government employees and a number of Senators and Congressmen have not only retracted early statements but have actually begun to voice support for the Families of the victims in their call for a new investigation.

                In a rational mind, this information alone should raise enough questions. If the Official 911 Commission Report is taken as the truth, then the vast mass of data proves very little that occured on that day can be explained by our current understanding of Physics.

                Your pathetic reasoning that some holes in a building will increase the temperature enough to melt steel would be amusing if its conclusion was not so disturbingly ignorant. A lot more occured on that day than some planes hitting a couple of buildings resulting in some fires. By the way, how do some holes in the top of a building explain the total and complete destruction of a fifty to sixty tonne piece of engineering machinary in the sub basement of the WTC which occured before the first plane hit. Please do tell.

                • grumpy czeching in

                  Fucked if I know, I was just commenting on CV’s comment on air burn temperature.

                  I’m all for a good conspiracy and can’t wait until Wishart’s book comes out.

              • Colonial Viper

                Hi CV, Air Burn temp. supposes no draught. In the twin towers case, due to height and builing damage there was a huge draught so Air Burn Temp. goes out the window (so to speak).

                A salient point.

                However the deep red colour of the flames and the smokiness suggested that the fires were still oxygen starved overall, so air burn temp may still be relevant.

                I note that av gas still burns pretty cool in a 100% oxygen atmosphere though :)

      • wtl 15.2.3

        Like when the ChCh Earthquake happened, the more sane of us from the blogoshpere are pretty shocked at the poster’s ability to take a tradegy and paint it as a demonstration of how Socialism is the answer to all of life’s problems

        The problem is you are seeing people engaging in ‘political point scoring’ when their motivation is simply to improve things for the future. The posters’ genuinely believe that improving/maintaning the public sector is important in allowing us to respond efficiently to natural disasters, thereby saving more lives in the future. You obviously disagree with their points, but you could at least acknowledge that their intentions are good. Instead, it seems that you have already made your mind up about people on the left, and therefore see whatever they do as wrong.

      • Vicky32 15.2.4

        I come to laugh but just end up being throughly disgusted.

        Off you go then, no one’s keeping you here! (Or are they?)

      • clandestino 15.2.5

        What a joke…

        David Farrar the other day wrote: “I guess in the end, I should look on it like I did the Iran-Iraq war – you just want it to go on for ever, with maximum causalities.”

        This exemplifies the mindset of many on the right. Their views expressed in a casual callousness. The posts here never come close to this but, unfortunately, the above is fairly normal on rightist blogs.

  16. Bill 16

    ACC’s impersonal bureaucracy driving someone to distraction?

    Where does the problem lie here? ACC culture or the aggrieved individual?

    What if the person had been driven to the the same extent of distraction, said the same things but committed suicide?

    This post is wrong headed imo.

    • Blighty 16.1

      This isn’t about the flaws of ACC.

      The guy planned to blow up as many ACC workers as he could.

      Come on, you don’t believe that’s justified, Bill.

      • Bill 16.1.1

        “Come on, you don’t believe that’s justified, Bill.”

        Correct.

        And I don’t think it’s justified to equate a person who feels he was directly done over by a government department and who apparently spun out as a result to Breivik, who had a whole political philosophy based around nostalgia, conspiracy and supremacy married to an odd elevation of certain historical events/conflicts informing his actions.

        • Blighty 16.1.1.1

          you should read what Thomas wrote on ACC Forums. Long screeds about dismantling socialism and communism.

          • Bill 16.1.1.1.1

            I read some of it. Like I said on ‘The Violent Right’ thread, such expressions of sentiment…misguided and wrongheaded as they are…are reasonably commonplace.

            Do you find it unthinkable that just plain frustration with ACC (ie no accompanying ‘political’ off-loading) could have led the guy to contemplate the same actions? I don’t.

  17. randal 17

    Drop down into the proletariat and even above and there are plenty of nutters with weitrd ideas of their own and willing and ready to kill if they could only get away with it.
    Insanity is a probability exercise and we are no different.
    Self will run riot it is called and our schools with their emphasis on post modernistic axioms such as only your won truths count are hot beds of numbskullism and boneheads.

  18. Mac1 18

    I have a brother who works for ACC. I know other people as well who do the same.

    Two things need to be considered, reading the thread so far. One is that thoughtless (and misspelled, weka) comments can be damn hurtful about ordinary working folk, and the second is that the open debate that we have about these events and the type of thinking that leads to them is very important.

    We must not give permission to these perpetrators by our silence which could well lead to their conclusion that the majority agree with their sick and warped views.

    We must guard against the deep threat to our democracy by allowing the anti-democratic and crazy personalities to think their views are anything but that.

    As we get into election mode, and the crazies come out (us former wanna-be pollies included ;-)), I fear for the political violence that is potentially there. It stifles debate, stops good people coming forward and introduces a component of fear that just should not be there.

    I would include the denigrating comments about people who want to enter politics, even in a bantering way as I have done parenthetically above. Accusing people, for example, of being corrupt or potentially corrupt just because they want to serve in that capacity is a case in point. Adages such as “Don’t vote. It only encourages them” is also an anti-democratic message with its casual denigration and its discouragement which can only serve non-democratic forces.

    Alan Thomas’ actions and threats to ordinary folks, the events in Norway, the threats and discouraging comments of people wanting to stand for political office, or in office, are all in their various degrees serving the same purpose.

    We must all stand up and speak against this again deepening trend. We’ve seen it before and must learn from our history and not allow it to take root.

    • weka 18.1

      One is that thoughtless (and misspelled, weka) comments can be damn hurtful about ordinary working folk,
       

      I’m not sure what the issue is exactly Mac. Is it that I used the word fascist (it was a typo not a mispellling, as if that matters)? Or is it that I have a serious criticism of ACC? If anyone works at ACC and isn’t aware of the major problems there are with the way that ACC operates, then my thoughtlessness or otherwise is irrelevant. If they are aware of the problems at ACC then they have my sincere sympathies unless they support the way that ACC operates.

      • Mac1 18.1.1

        Weka, the problem is with this sentence. “I always found them to be quite facist myself.”

        Firstly, the word ‘fascist’ has a definite meaning within a political/historical context. Did you mean ACC was fascist in that sense? Google Wikipedia on the subject.

        Or, did you mean it in a general perjorative sense? In that case it is meaningless and doesn’t add to the debate.

        The word fascist is a word of great distaste to a lot of people, and causes great offence. Linkage of ACC and fascism in a thread in which an unstable person of far right wing sympathies has been convicted of assembling literature on the manufacture of bombs in order to bomb offices of ACC is offensive.

        Secondly, your use of the word ‘always’ indicated a generalisation which I would designate as rash and unsubstantiated.

        Thirdly, I have often found that misspelling indicates an inattention to detail which may indicate also an inattention to intellectual process.

        Those are my problems with your statement.

        You then in your own defence state- “If anyone works at ACC and isn’t aware of the major problems there are with the way that ACC operates, then my thoughtlessness or otherwise is irrelevant.” My response is that you called ACC a fascist organisation and that is very relevant to a person who works at ACC should they have read your comment or have it repeated to them by another who read your comment.

        The whole tenor of my earlier comment is that we must challenge and not allow loose thinking to develop into Thomas type thinking and action.

        Thanks for the opportunity to practise what I have preached.

        • clandestino 18.1.1.1

          “Google Wikipedia”!!!

          Classic! Stealing that one!

        • weka 18.1.1.2

          Hi Mac, thank-you for your thoughtful reply.
           
          I was using fascist in neither its strict political/historial sense, nor its perjorative sense. I meant it in its general usage as term to describe authoritarianism (in this case institutionalised rather than as the doctrine of a movement). That’s in several dictionaries I’ve just looked up. 
           
          I take your points about language usage and accept that I am stretching the definition a bit. But of the three big problem govt depts we have (ACC, WINZ, IRD), ACC has its own special brand of problem. Whereas WINZ engages in lots of fairly despicable behaviour, it’s main issue is one of incompetence. I’m not talking about individual staff here (although obviously there are problems with some staff too), I’m talking about the system. Likewise with ACC, I’m not saying that the people that work there are all fascists, but that the organisation itself operates in a ways that often deny their clients automony, sovereignty and humanity.
           
          My use of the word ‘always’ obviously refers to my own experience (as stated) rather than ACC as a whole. I can confirm that my own personal experience does equate to ACC ‘always’ having behaved in certain soul destroying ways with me (although to be fair, the second time it was more an issue of incompetence and the mind fuck that goes with denying funding to someone at the same time as wasting funding, so I’m not sure I would call them fascist in that instance. There were overtones of repressiveness in the way they related with me though).
           
          When I think about other people I know who have been ACC clients, I’m really struggling to think of one person who had a good experience. Of the ones I can remember in any detail, I would have to say you are right, I couldn’t say for certain that I thought the actions of the dept were fascist. But I do know that they systematically operate in ways that undermine people’s self determination, and I believe that the policies that enable that are deliberate. Maybe fascist is a lazy expression, I’d be interested in some other options (that don’t involve me being as long winded as I am here).
           
          I’m still not following your point about ACC staff. Is it solely that some people will feel hurt by the word ‘fascist’ to describe their employer? Or is it that I am critising their employer in general? eg is it ok if instead I say that ACC is an organisation that routinely operates in an authoritarian and repressive manner to the great cost of many of its clients?
           
           
          btw, you may be interested to know that I called some people out the other day on the Standard for calling people Nazis. I suggested fascist was ok whereas Nazi wasn’t – to me Nazi is a very specific thing historically and linguistically and I don’t think it should be used as a generic. However I will have to think now about to what extent that is true if I am ok with using the word fascist generically (although it is already in common usage as such).

  19. Afewknowthetruth 19

    It is difficult to improve on Derrick Jensen’s Premises of ‘End Game’.

    Premise Four: Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.

    Premise Five: The property of those higher on the hierarchy is more valuable than the lives of those below. It is acceptable for those above to increase the amount of property they control—in everyday language, to make money—by destroying or taking the lives of those below. This is called production. If those below damage the property of those above, those above may kill or otherwise destroy the lives of those below. This is called justice.

    Premise Six: Civilization is not redeemable. This culture will not undergo any sort of voluntary transformation to a sane and sustainable way of living. If we do not put a halt to it, civilization will continue to immiserate the vast majority of humans and to degrade the planet until it (civilization, and probably the planet) collapses. The effects of this degradation will continue to harm humans and nonhumans for a very long time.

    Premise Nine: Although there will clearly some day be far fewer humans than there are at present, there are many ways this reduction in population could occur (or be achieved, depending on the passivity or activity with which we choose to approach this transformation). Some of these ways would be characterized by extreme violence and privation: nuclear armageddon, for example, would reduce both population and consumption, yet do so horrifically; the same would be true for a continuation of overshoot, followed by crash. Other ways could be characterized by less violence. Given the current levels of violence by this culture against both humans and the natural world, however, it’s not possible to speak of reductions in population and consumption that do not involve violence and privation, not because the reductions themselves would necessarily involve violence, but because violence and privation have become the default. Yet some ways of reducing population and consumption, while still violent, would consist of decreasing the current levels of violence required, and caused by, the (often forced) movement of resources from the poor to the rich, and would of course be marked by a reduction in current violence against the natural world. Personally and collectively we may be able to both reduce the amount and soften the character of violence that occurs during this ongoing and perhaps longterm shift. Or we may not. But this much is certain: if we do not approach it actively—if we do not talk about our predicament and what we are going to do about it—the violence will almost undoubtedly be far more severe, the privation more extreme.

    Premise Ten: The culture as a whole and most of its members are insane. The culture is driven by a death urge, an urge to destroy life.

    • Colonial Viper 19.1

      Jensen is walking the path to self justified eco-violence.

    • ropata 19.2

      Rather than retreating to a bunker and stocking up on cat food, a more constructive approach is to engage society and work to improve life on this planet.

      Don’t give up.

  20. The political Right have often used violence against their own citizens.
    1921 general strike , the South African Rugby tour with the Red Squad
    Dont forget the Waikato Farmers (Massey’s Cossacks),with their batons used against workers . Then there was National PM Sidney Holland UK’s answer to Mosley !.The list is endless.
    Nothing has been learnt from these events ,the talk-back shows are mainly full of racist comments, usually starting with “I’m not a racist ,but! ” .
    It’s all rather sad.

    • Colonial Viper 20.1

      Massey’s Cossacks!!!

      Ha…bet they taught actual NZ history to NZ kids these days. We’d have a lot more Lefties…

      Hey that’s an idea isn’t it.

    • uke 20.2

      A recent example of a (presumably) right-wing terrorist attack in NZ was the March 1984 bombing of the Trades Hall in Wellington – which housed the offices of various trade unions – in which the caretaker, Ernie Abbott, was killed.
       
      Anti-left terrorism definitely has happened here.

  21. The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 21

    “Bomber” Bradbury and I are both appalled about “the violent language of the NZ Right”.

  22. Red Rosa 22

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/07/glenn-beck-hits-a-new-low-compares-norway-victims-to-hitler-youth.html

    No wonder the US is in such a mess. Get set to see these lines run by the NZ Right….or maybe they are already onto it?

  23. Wicket 23

    I had the misfortune to deal with Alan Thomas as an Immigration Officer in the early 2000′s when according to him, he was *not* an Immigration Consultant. Thats complete and utter bollux. His defacto Chinese wife was removed from NZ as she was not on a valid permit (excellent business practise for an Immigration consultant don’t you think) Alan Thomas has to be one of the most obnoxious, dishonest people I have ever had the opportunity to deal with. I have no issue with calling him an out and out liar, unneccessarily agressive, he attempted to threaten staff (though being rather diminutive that was something of a joke) and when he didn’t get what he wanted, no matter how many times he rephrased the same damned question, he would stomp his feet and start yelling. It annoys me more than you could possibly even imagine that we’ve been funding this loser weasel’s lifestyle for far longer than was neccessary. In the times I had met him, there was no problem with either of his hands and through the threats of releasing his little taped conversations, well, that never happened. I would be interested if he could actually produce any of what he threatened in term of his recorded conversations. He is not as savvy as he would like others to think and damages the claims of those with genuine issues, ACC or otherwise. This latest debacle of his is just indicative of how many nuts are really loose inside that grotty little head of his and I think it’s something of a shame that he only got Home D….

    As I said, one of the single most obnoxious and untrustworthy (had a history of submitting fraudulent documents on behalf of his Immigration clients) little weasels I have ever had the misfortune to deal with. Glad he’s getting the bums rush finally….

    • weka 23.1

      How do you know there was nothing wrong with his hands, and what makes you think you are qualified to assess his disability?
       
       
       

  24. Craig Glen Eden 24

    I liked the handle Oleolebiscuitbarrell it always gave me a chuckle, and is a shit load more creative than Craig Glen Eden , just saying.

  25. tsmithfield 25

    Hmmm… somewhat amused at the focus on “right wing” terrorists, when in fact they usually refer to people from a nationalistic persuasion. There isn’t any reason that people with nationalistic views necessarily should also be right wing.

    Also, perhaps we should also be discussing the antics of “left wing” terrorists.

    • felix 25.1

      As opposed to discussing the right-wing extremist who just murdered an island full of young labour party members.

      Good idea.

      • tsmithfield 25.1.1

        I don’t think fitting a “political” label actually helps the discussion. As I have shown above, there are nutters at both extremes of the spectrum. It would be more helpful discussing what we can do to protect society from the nutters.

        • felix 25.1.1.1

          As long as we don’t talk about the right-wing nutter who just murdered the next generation of Norway’s political left.

          Righto.

          • tsmithfield 25.1.1.1.1

            Grow up. I have no problem discussing this issue. However, it is fairly tacky to try and score political points out of this situation by pushing the “right wing” label when the guy was a complete nut-job, and similar nut-jobs from whatever political leaning are equally dangerous.

            • felix 25.1.1.1.1.1

              Yeah you have no problem discussing the political mass murder of a bunch of people who were killed for their political beliefs by a man who killed them because he opposes their politics and their political party…

              …just as long as we leave the politics out of it.

        • rosy 25.1.1.2

          I don’t know how you associate animal rights activists and eco-terrorists with the left. They have more in common with anarchists – in their “leaderless resistance” models of activism, IMO – not on the the left-right continuum at all. Extreme animal rights also has animals ahead of people and that is fundamentally different from the left-leaning organisations.

          I’d like to see a bit of research about what political affiliations they have. I concede that environmental activists that have social justice as a goal are likely to be left-leaning as that is the basic tenets of left-wing thinking. Environmental activists seem more intent of property damage than shooting up a bunch of right-wingers, don’t you think?

          • tsmithfield 25.1.1.2.1

            But if their voting preferences were surveyed, I would expect that members of these groups would tend to be left-leaning rather than right-leaning in their voting tendencies. So, applying the same loose standards in referring to deranged nationalists as “right-wing”, I think it is quite OK to refer to eco-terrorists as “left-wing”.

            Anyway, my main point was to show that this labelling of individuals as “left-wing”, or :”right wing” is stupid when it comes to such an awful situation. We need to focus efforts on identifying these types of individuals and stopping them before they can cause harm.

            • rosy 25.1.1.2.1.1

              At a guess they don’t vote. And yep, we need to focus on identifying these individuals. Extreme right-wing organisations seem a good place to start, yeah? And then we need to see what encourages them. The Norwegian used mainstream political thought to justify his actions. distortions of places, of people and of cultures whip this stuff.

              Racism is often justified as an aberrant reaction to understandable provocation; the focus on “multiculturalism” in the aftermath of the Oslo tragedy draws attention to contemporary racism’s most elastic alibi. The “failure of multiculturalism” is an article of faith in European politics and, like all acts of faith, it depends on the acceptance of an underlying mystery. Despite the denunciations of this “failed experiment”, there has never been a time in Europe where multiculturalism was the dominant ideology. As Ralph Grillo has argued, state practices, in the few countries that have adopted them, are characterised by a “weak” patchwork of policy initiatives and aspirational rhetoric. Yet critics have consistently assumed the damaging existence of a coherent “strong” form, which is always “unbridled”.

              And some of those writers, like Bruce Bawer in the Wall St journal are scrambling to justify and excuse themselves and their ideas for popping up in the murderer’s manifesto. And Glenn Beck – got his diatribes out on the most popular TV channel in the U.S. – Fox, only to be deserted when the advertisers, not the listeners, complained. He is still has to account for his vomit that preceded Gabrielle Gifford’s shooting.

    • mik e 25.2

      tsmith your myth looking at your own site ecco terrorists they are not connected to any political side and they have damaged property intimidated people released a few pussy cats but I couldn,t find any information on them killing any body. But when I looked at all the other organizations on the web site you provided.They were all far right extremist racist Christian gun toting militarists they had all been involved in murder and mayhem.

      • Ianupnorth 25.2.1

        Indeed – and compare another group generally found on the right, the religious anti-abortion crowd. They blow up clinics and doctors, very pacifist!
         
        Oh, but that’s OK because they are conservative?
         

        • Colonial Viper 25.2.1.1

          Actually its because the extreme right wing personality type is able to highly compartmentalise different ideologies in different situations.

          They do not self-reflect upon their beliefs to see if they make any kind of consistent, integrative, wider sense. An authoritative source says what is proper and what must be done, and few questions are seriously asked.

          This leads to actions and goals reminiscent of “we had to destroy the village to save it”, or as you suggested, we can be pro-life by taking life.

  26. Colonial Viper 26

    Just heard it said on National Radio that Braevik was listening to the Lord of the Rings sound track as he was killing those young people.

    A movie featuring race wars of good against evil. Apparently he found the music inspirational and motivational.

    And that he claimed to have had help from other groups in planning the attacks.

    • Lanthanide 26.1

      Those soundtracks were lame.

    • Ianupnorth 26.2

      I hope he got permission from Peter Jackson – he’ll probably be wanting a royalty cheque and will need Key to go to Warners to collect it.

      • Colonial Viper 26.2.1

        Classic comment. Perhaps Key could say something about this at a press conference in the White House. The money quote would go:

        “This is an abhorrent tragedy, and we grieve for the loss suffered by our Norwegian cousins. However, some positives can arise from this sad incident. Including sound track royalties to Warner Brothers from the inevitable direct to DVD movie about the shootings.

        A truly fabulous movie shot in beautiful New Zealand countryside, and starring extremely talented New Zealand actors performing their best on a world stage. Something like this demonstrates clearly why New Zealand chooses to do what it does, and so well.”

  27. Wicket 27

    Weka, he was having difficulties with NZIS at the time too – he bought us his medical paperwork for a variety of reasons – came from a specialist directly, so there is no need for my qualification if we have a specialist advising us that there is no issue.

  28. Policy Parrot 28

    Latest:

    Glen Beck compares camp attendees to Hitler Youth.

    Fucking disgusting.

  29. John D 29

    Another blog post using the Oslo massacre to support your political agenda

    It has been a productive week for The Standard’s hand-wringers and turd eaters.

    • McFlock 29.1

      Think about that for a while, did you?
      I hope you wiped down the keyboard when you were done.

    • jackal 29.2

      I’m surprised that you think a post about Anders Breivik is politically inspired John D. The political dimension to what happened was set by the perpetraiter and those who jumped at the chance to blame Muslims.

      Your comment is idiotic, especially considering the authors summation is that there should be a responsible discourse from the Right. Do you think you’re adhering to that request with your turd eating comment John D?

      Clearly the right cannot accept that it’s a RWNJ that committed the crimes in Norway. Neither are they respecting the dead. Glenn Beck recently said and I quote:

      “There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler Youth or whatever. I mean, who does a camp for kids that’s all about politics? Disturbing.”

      I often wonder if people like that are human. I’m glad he’s not a New Zealander. Are you a Kiwi John D? It’s people like you that are causing the mass exodus.

  30. KJT 30

    http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/151774/8_dumbest,_most_insensitive_right-wing_reactions_to_the_norway_shooting?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet

    “In fact, right-wing extremists have already demonstrated their capacity to do harm”,

    http://theglobalrealm.com/2011/02/04/the-food-bubble-how-wall-street-starved-millions-and-got-away-with-it/

    In NZ. Putting thousands out of work and then cutting their welfare. Or, only slightly more extremist. The trades hall bomber.

    • Ianupnorth 30.1

      Closing facilities where you could build trains and then giving the contracts to friends and acquaintances (The Pansy Wong and Jenny Shipley show)…
       

      • Colonial Viper 30.1.1

        And the bloody Tories are up to the very same antics in the UK.

        Its like they are all reading from the same hymn sheet (they are).

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/05/bombardier-job-losses-train-wreck

        Rather than award the £1.4bn Thameslink contract to Bombardier, a firm that would do more of the value-added work at its plant in Derby, Philip Hammond and Vince Cable chose to anoint Siemens, which will build the trains in Germany, as their preferred bidder. The result, says Bombardier, is that 1,400 jobs will be lost in Derby – which amounts to nearly half the workforce.

      • prism 30.1.2

        This is getting further off thread I’m sorry.
        @Iamupnorth – There isn’t private money up for grabs if the Hillside government works were going to build railway carriages, or at least add value. End of story.

        I did some googling of nz and road transport -
        June 2011 Transport NZ Summit and Expo – photo id of leading players in our business community. If you hear them, now you can see them. One is of Ken Shirley (rermember him) who is CEO of the …Road Transport Forum New Zealand is the authoritative voice of the road transport industry, advancing the interests of its members and promoting the contribution road transport makes to all New Zealand’s lives.

        And National’s Jenny Shipley’s connection with road transport. Being Chair of a major player like Mainzeal construction would bring haulage of raw materials to the fore for her.
        Just a bit of background:
        June 18 2009 – …Mainzeal Chair Jenny Shipley… said
        “We will explore our strategic direction, with the intention of confirming our role as a leading New Zealand construction company, while exploring broader opportunities to diversify the business in response to emerging investment intentions from the Government and private sector.
        Mainzeal Property and Construction Limited, has operated in New Zealand since 1968 and is one of New Zealand’s largest and most successful property and construction companies specialising in commercial and industrial construction.
        Mainzeal:
        � Successfully puts in place work valued in excess of $400 million per annum and employs some 400+ people throughout the country.
        � Has built a reputation for constructing high quality buildings, on time and at competitive prices.

  31. chearryjeary 31

    Not being adept on political musings I admit to doing a search on the topic after hearing this slaughter being linked to right-wing extremists. I did a search on nationalism and the nazi party. From the wiki article it seems that both the left and right take advantage of nationalism but the more violent authortarian nationalism is linked to the right termed as ultranationalism. Interesting enough alot of comments in political posts fits this description. Also from wiki Hitler was also right-wing who used socialist rhetoric to gain support and increase membership.

  32. Colonial Viper 32

    Cartoon. Reporting of the mass slayings.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cartoon/2011/jul/26/steve-bell-norway-attacks-cartoon

    Yeah Rupert Murdoch News Corp style.

  33. rosy 33

    The cartoon is good…. but a might have been. I think the redtops all lead with the demise of Amy.

  34. oligarkey 34

    John Dee – the right tends toward a philosophy of competition between people, might makes right, hierarchy and oneupmanship (boring, angry dudes with small peckers). It’s a more aggressive philosophy, and it should come as no surprise that aggressive types gravitate toward it. Deal with the facts.

  35. oligarkey 36

    “Also from wiki Hitler was also right-wing who used socialist rhetoric to gain support and increase membership.” … and he enjoyed the support of large banking interests and industrialists, whilst wiping out trade unions. Sounds a lot like the National Party of the last 25 years when you put it all together. Fascinating.

  36. “Growing our own Breivik” is something we are all involved in, left, right and centre. Since the Noregian tragedy much has been said about right wing violence, but violence in New Zealand politics and New Zealand society is not just a right wing problem – ask Trevor Mallard.

    Our political and social revile - we should do something about it.

    • Link whoreing again Pete?
       
      The reason that you attract such a response from others on this site are because you come with these grand statements which are evidence and analysis free.
       
      You also lack the sensitivity to understand how appalled the left are at what happened in Norway and to keep chipping at us and say that violence is a left problem as well is like throwing a lit match on petrol.
       
      You seem to as a matter of faith say that the “middle”, whatever that is, is best and the rest are extremists.
       
      I know I am breaking Goodwin’s law but this will show what a shallow dishonest and stupid thought process this is.
       
      In Nazi Germany the left wing stood up to Hitler and opposed what happened to the Jews.  Trade unionists lost their lives.  No doubt there would have been a German version of Pete George there saying that the nazi’s actions in killing 12 million jews were extreme, but so was the left’s desire that no jews be killed.  Perhaps a reasonable and balanced programme of extermination would result in no more than 6 million Jews being gassed.
       
      See how stupid your comments are?

    • oligarkey 37.2

      When you actually give it a little thought – it is the right that has committed nearly all the political violence in NZ. A unionist was killed, and many badly beaten at the Waihi miners’ strike in 1912 – this happened at the instigation of a right-wing Government. In the 1950s, dozens of unionists were badly beaten at the “waterfront strike” by hired thugs – this time at the instigation of a National Party Government. Then during the Springbok tour of 1981, dozens of protesters, including women, were beaten with clubs, by the police, at the instigation of a National Party Government

      So, can all the right wing trolls quit with the “left is just as bad as the right” when it comes to violence mantra? Clearly, it’s the right of NZ politics that are prone to political violence – often using their crypto-fascist minions in the police as hired thugs. Yes the NZ police is a lagely crypto-fascist organisation. i.e. the officer in charge of beating up protesters during the springbok tour, Ross Meurant, has come out saying that the police have a problem of institutionalised racism and prejudiced targeting of left-wing groups. That this continues to be a problem is evidenced by the fact that the police are targeting peace activist groups, rather than Kyle Chapman and his neo-nazi buddies that run around in the hills of the South Island with semi-automatic weapons, playing war games. So – let’s get it straight here – it’s the right who ALWAYS introduces violence in to NZ political life. Food for thought. .

  37. So uhhh…whats the latest with those bloody maaari terrorists from Te Urewera ?

    Seems like if we’re gonna have homegrown, gun totin’, mass murderin’ terorrists at large, it’ll be nutjobs like this…

    Weapons found at police employee’s home

    A hidden cache of fully and semi-automatic weapons have been found inside plastic mannequins at the home of a police employee.

    The guns were found inside the torso and legs of hollow, uniformed mannequins in a locked room at the man’s Johnsonville house after an anonymous tipoff to Crimestoppers.

    Patrick Bruce Phipps, 44, a technology support engineer at the Royal New Zealand Police College, Porirua, has pleaded not guilty in Wellington District Court to two charges of illegal possession of a Finnish Valmet semi-automatic rifle and a Czechoslovakian VZ58 fully automatic rifle.

    Phipps, a gun and memorabilia collector, said he had never seen them before and had no idea they were there.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5344329/Weapons-found-at-police-employees-home

    …and not delusional, stoner, loudmouth Maori wannabe Guevara’s who can’t even afford guns

  38. Chris a 39

    Right leaning?

    Yes. Mr Thompson was proposing to nail bomb the ACC office because he had come to feel that his levy charges had become untenable and that such a terrorist attAck w the only vaid way to highlight this travesty to the authorities and to encourage them to open the scheme to competition.

    I didn’t see the court records, but, that would be my guess as to his right wing, ACT part inspired motives.

    Can someone confirm?

  39. The Obfuscator 40

    Right leaning?

    Yes. Mr Thompson was proposing to nail bomb the ACC office because he had come to feel that his levy charges had become untenable and that such a terrorist attAck w the only vaid way to highlight this travesty to the authorities and to encourage them to open the scheme to competition.

    I didn’t see the court records, but, that would be my guess as to his right wing, ACT part inspired motives.

    Can someone confirm?

  40. Jenny 41

    There is a thin line between hate speech and violent atrocities like the Utoya Island massacre.

    It is time for US officials to take a stand

    Speak Out, or Get Out!

    Glenn Beck, the leading Right-wing broadcaster and darling of the Tea Party, likens the young Labour Party supporters murdered in Norway to Hitler Youth.

    “Norway shooting: Glenn Beck compares dead teenagers to Hitler youth”

    The Telegraph

    Is this where the present level of mainstream politics in the US is heading?

    What can we do about it, here in NZ and around the world?

    Where do US officials stand?

    This is what every country in the world that hosts a US embassy should be asking.

    Every US ambassador should issue a public statement distancing themselves from Glenn Beck and condemning his views.

    If they refuse, fearing for their career path on offending the powerful and ascendent American right, then the US government should be asked to recall them and replace them.

    Here in New Zealand the US ambassador David Huebner has his own blog here, and makes regular comments on Twitter, here. His last comment was 6 hours ago.

    So far no comment on the events in Norway from David Huebner. Not even a word of comfort or support for those struck down in this right wing terror attack, much less a statement condemning Glen Beck.

  41. Jenny 42


    Hate speech knows no borders

    Before being arrested, mass killer Anders Breivik released a manifesto justifying his killing spree, which quoted heavily from a speech given in New Zealand entitled: “The Perverse Anti-Westernism of the Cultural Elite” by Australian historian Keith Windschuttle.

    Keith Windshcuttle said the quotes used by Breivik were a “truncated version” of his paper. “But it is not inaccurate or misleading”

    “I made everyone of these statements”, he said, “and I still stand by everyone of them.”

    Defending himself, Windschuttle said, it would be a “disturbing accusation” if people thought that he had ever used deliberately provocative language that might have caused Breivik to take up a rifle and shoot unarmed teenagers in cold blood.

  42. Jenny 43

    From Orewa, to Malborough Sounds, to Utoya Island.

    In the age of the internet

    Hate speech knows no borders

    “Mass Killer Anders Breivik’s NZ link”

    Stuff.co.nz

    Mass killer Anders Breivik released a manifesto before launching his killing spree. Brevik’s manifesto justifying his murders quoted heavily from a speech given in New Zealand entitled: “The Perverse Anti-Westernism of the Cultural Elite” by Australian historian Keith Windschuttle.

    The speech was delivered at the Summer Sounds Symposium, at Punga Cove in the Marlborough Sounds, on February 11, 2006.

    The session was chaired by political commentator Matthew Hooton, who told NZPA he didn’t recall details of the paper, but noted that “the Summer Sounds symposiums became a bit too right wing for my taste”.

    Keith Windschuttle told Radio New Zealand he had re-read the speech he delivered at the Summer Sounds Symposium, to see if he could be held in any responsible or if his words were deliberately provocative.

    “But the idea that anything I have written would provoke murder is just insane,” he said.

    “I am debating issues about multiculturalism, the benefits of western societies versus other societies and about western civilization.”

    Windschuttle said the quotes used by Breivik were a “truncated version” of his paper. “But it is not inaccurate or misleading”

    “I made everyone of these statements”, Windschuttle said, “and I still stand by everyone of them.”

    Defending himself, Windschuttle said, it would be a “disturbing accusation” if people thought that he had ever used deliberately provocative language that might have caused Breivik to take up a rifle and shoot unarmed teenagers in cold blood.

    So what brought Windschuttle to New Zealand to give his speech on the superiority of Western Culture?

    What was the political climate at the time?

    Don Brash as leader of the National opposition in attempt to lift his polling, was courting the redneck vote. Accentuating the superiority of his British ancestry in his second intolerant Orewa speech, Brash attacked both Maori and the welfare state. Accusing Maori of being overly reliant on welfare.

    Changing the word Maori to immigrant – the two of the pet hates of Anders Breivik, racial minorities and social welfare, causes which he identified the Norwegian Labour Party as upholding and promoting. That someone like Anders Breivik could identify his extremist right wing views in an Australian writer which closely parallelled those of a New Zealand politician should be a warning.

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    The redesign currently occurring at the Accident Claims Corporation (ACC) for sensitive claims needs to be put on hold immediately, said the Green Party today.The Green Party is concerned about work currently underway at ACC involving the sensitive claims service...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Markets slow but first home buyers still hurting
    First home buyers are hurting more than ever as the supply of affordable houses in the market dries up, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “The Reserve Bank will be happy LVR minimum deposits and rising interest rates have dampened...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Green Party celebrates MOU win on contaminated sites
    The Green Party is celebrating the announcement of a national register of contaminated sites today, and $2.5 million to start cleaning two sites up. The Green Party and the National Party agreed to include toxic site management work in their...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Emergency staff at breaking point
    The Southern DHB is so cash-strapped it is failing to fill nursing rosters, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson David Clark says.  “Every day emergency department nurses arrive at work knowing they are likely to be carrying more than their recommended workload. ...
    Labour | 12-08
  • ACC minister fails in mission to change culture
    The latest damning report by the Auditor General shows that the ACC Minister has failed to fulfil her mission to fix the sick culture at ACC and real change will not come till a new Government is elected, the Green...
    Greens | 12-08
  • Labour’s regional development fund to support Palmerston North
    Labour will consider a proposal to develop an inland port at Palmerston North, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The Palmerston North community has developed plans for an inland port which will bring jobs and economic growth to a region which...
    Labour | 12-08
  • Green Party announces priorities for Christchurch
    The Green Party has today announced its plan for a fairer, smarter and more democratic Canterbury rebuild, with a focus on smart transport solutions, restoring local democracy, and keeping Christchurch's assets.The plan sits across all of the Green Party's priorities...
    Greens | 11-08
  • Rock-star economy unplugged by China log jam
    The collapse of log prices due to oversupply in China threatens to wash the gloss off what remains of National's so-called rock-star economy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “Already this year the price of milk solids has plunged by more...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Young job seekers dealt a poor hand
    National's "keep 'em poor" card for young people on a benefit is a sorry substitute for job training, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Sue Moroney says.  The Government today announced it would extend its payment card scheme to all teen parents...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Labour – achieving change for Kiwi women
    Working towards being a world leader in eliminating violence against women and children will be a priority for a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Women’s Affairs policy today spokesperson Carol Beaumont said while Labour had a proud track record of achieving...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Accessible healthcare also affordable
      It is obvious from Tony Ryall’s hasty attack of Labour’s plans to extend free GP visits to older people that he hasn’t bothered to actually read the policy, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. "Mr Ryall’s response to Labour’s...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Full details of oil execs’ junket revealed
    Full details of a $237,000 taxpayer-funded oil executives' junket in 2011 have emerged.National paid the nearly quarter of a million dollars to wine and dine 11 oil executives in New Zealand during the World Cup.The trip included yachting, wine tasting,...
    Greens | 10-08
  • Nats sold 500 rugby fields of land a day offshore
    Under National over one million hectares of land has been approved for overseas sale – 16 times the size of Lake Taupō or the equivalent of five hundred rugby fields a day, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “According to...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Joyce’s dodgy sums fool no-one
    Steven Joyce's attempt to attack Labour's positive plan for affordable healthcare will fool no-one. "We knew that National would try to say that we can't afford free GP visits and prescriptions for the New Zealanders who need it. But, as...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Campaign Launch – Ready to Win
    Today I launched Labour's election campaign at the Viaduct Events Centre, Auckland. Here is the speech I gave....
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour extends free GP visits, free prescriptions
    Nearly 40 per cent of Kiwis – or 1.7 million people – will be eligible for free doctors’ visits and free prescriptions under a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Last year more than half a million New Zealanders...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour promises a fairer ACC for all Kiwis
    Accident compensation for loss of potential earnings will rise under a Labour Government, while people not earning at the time of their accident will also be eligible for compensation, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. Releasing Labour’s ACC policy today...
    Labour | 08-08
  • NZ Govt must push for fair play in Fiji elections
    The New Zealand Government needs to do more to push for human rights and media freedom in Fiji as it stages its first election since the 2006 coup, the Green Party said today.Amnesty International has released a report which documents...
    Greens | 07-08
  • Pacific unemployment still highest in the country
    The Minister of Pacific Island Affairs can boast all he wants about changes to employment statistics for Pacific people but the reality for many Pacific people is nowhere close to National’s promised brighter future, Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William...
    Labour | 07-08
  • Big funding injection for regions in Green Party transport plan
    The Green Party will increase transport spending in the regions by 50 percent over the next decade under its new transport plan, the Green Party said today."Transport is the life-blood of the regions. They have been starved under National," Green...
    Greens | 07-08
  • If the National Party rowing advert was real….
    If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water. If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes. If the national Party rowing advert was real,...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Cameron Slater: Zionist and political pundit
    It is hard to know where to start with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater (Whale Oil), especially after the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics. This confirmed everything many of us thought Slater to be: a snivelling pundit who serves...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Bryce Edwards stood down from Herald for election season??? Are the editors...
    I only found this out via twitter last night and I am still in shock. Bryce Edwards, easily the best critical thinker and news analyst the NZ Herald has has been stood down by the NZ Herald ‘for the election...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • So who’s a “conspiracy theorist” now?!
    . . As the media storm over Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“,  and allegations over smear campaigns continue to swirl,  National’s spin doctors have given Key, Collins, and other National Party ministers a string of  phrases to use in all...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Momentum shift
    When you are deeply immersed in a local campaign sometimes it can be difficult to see the helicopter view.   I don’t know how accurate the political polls are and have always known that things can change quickly in politics...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Dear Toby Manhire. Bad call on backing Farrar
    Oh dear. I say this as someone who regards Toby Manhire as one of the smartest journalists/commentators/columnists this country has, and I think Toby has made a terribly dumb call here. Let’s see if Toby is still singing Farrar’s praises...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Radio NZ apologise to me for getting it wrong
    Radio NZ have contacted me, reviewed the claim by their host that I had an advance copy of Nicky Hager’s book and they have concluded they got it wrong, they have called me and apologised and will make a statement...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Reclaim UoA – Students’ Message to Steven Joyce
    Tertiary Education – we’ve been sold a lemon  A group of 30 students attended an event on Tuesday evening about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which the Minister of Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Can someone in the media please ask the PM of NZ to categorically deny any ...
    Now we see the MO of Slater & Co, the setting up, the digging for dirt, the use of staff to dig that dirt, can the Prime Minister of NZ categorically deny any National Party staff worked with Cam Slater...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Panic setting in for National as they realise what’s about to happen
    And the terror starts to set in. I’ve never seen blind panic like this before  and it’s spreading as the enormity of what’s about to happen starts to sink in. Hager’s book is a mere entree, Nicky’s personal ethics wouldn’t...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics: what the book ultimately reveals is abuse of powe...
    Guide to the many faces of John Key Nicky’s book is now doing what I suspected it would do, create a shockwave of revulsion. Andrew Geddis over at Pundit Blog sums up this attitude best, and it’s reverberations build with every...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Fancy taking children seriously
    Let’s see why all political parties should pay close attention to the Green Party’s policy for children. First, it is a comprehensive attempt to put children, not ideology, at the heart of family policy. Wow, children at the heart of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Amnesty International: Dear Azerbaijan, Stop Torture, Love Kiwi Kids
    This is a world where many adults often underestimate Generation Y. Being only a few years out of being a teenager myself, I feel I can make this statement with certainty. However, I have been the Youth Intern at Amnesty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GCSB meetings today in Christchurch 1pm at Uni 7pm at Cathedral
    The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. 1pm at Canterbury University bottom floor James Height Building: Chair: Bomber Bradbury Ruth Dyson – Labour Party...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about
    Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Guide to when Key is lying
    Guide to when Key is lying...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The State of the Student Nation …or is just Al...
    Students politics are dead and our student media is in terminal decline. The most disappointing thing about university is the politics, or should I say lack of? I was raised with the idea that students held the power.They were the...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Love Lifts Us Up: Thoughts from the Green Party’s campaign launch.
    Author Eleanor Catton wants people to give their party vote to the Greens.Photo by Peter Meecham NO ONE WAS QUITE SURE how he did it. Somehow Bob Harvey had persuaded the owners of the rights to Joe Cocker’s Up Where...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
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    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • LIVE STREAM: You, Me and the GCSB ChCh Public Meetings
    LIVE STREAM EVENT here at 1pm & 7pm: The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. PLEASE NOTE: TDB recommends Chrome and Firefox...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today,
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • How @whaledump might destroy the popular vote for National
    Dirty Politics is now creating a meltdown and National are in danger of a total vote collapse. The real threat to for National was if Nicky had all the emails released via the anonymous hacker who took them. That danger is now a...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Open letter to Radio NZ – you need to make a retraction now
    I have just sent this off to Radio NZ right now Dear Radio NZ Firstly, what a great interview by Guyon Espiner this morning with the Prime Minister. Great to see such hard hitting journalism. Unfortunately I am not contacting...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Radio NZ are lying about me
    I am getting this all second hand at the moment as I don’t bother listening to Radio NZ (except for that wonderful Wallace Chapman in the weekends) but there is a claim that Suzie Ferguson just insinuated on Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Farrar’s fake claim of being invaded + Slater’s claims of death threats...
    The counter spin to avoid focus on the series allegations made in Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics continues. David Farrar’s ridiculous hysterics that he was invaded and his privacy has been blah blah blah has all been reduced from computer hacking to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • A shout out to the unsung heroes – our Public Service staff
    Government departments, particularly in the social welfare, education and health areas get a lot of shtick. And it’s not unjustified. We have problems in the way that our government departments treat those in need. And I do not intend to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Key’s ducking for cover – utterly unbelievable!!!
    .   . I don’t often re-print media stories verbatim – but this piece by Andrea Vance, for Fairfax Media,  deserves wider circulation. Please note the highlighted statements by Dear Leader as he ducks, weaves, obfuscates, and deflects any and...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Who is the source of Hager’s emails?
    Who is the source of Hager’s emails? Kim Dotcom has categorically denied he has anything to do with this and Nicky Hager has categorically denied that Kim was the source of the emails. Whatever you think about Kim (and he...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Dirty Politics – Audio+Text Why It Is Essential Raw Data Be Released Imme...
    MIL OSI – Source: RadioLive – Sunday Panel Analysis Headline: Dirty Politics – Audio Analysis by Selwyn Manning + Rodney Hide + Mark Sainsbury MIL Video: Selwyn Manning, Rodney Hide, and Mark Sainsbury discuss and debate the explosive details revealed...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • TV One and TV3 Political Polls – not such a landslide now
    Before the impact of Dirty Politics has been felt, the National Party high point in the Polls had been reached and their inevitable  drop begins. Despite the mainstream media telling NZers for almost 3 years that John Key would win...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – You will not believe Key’s defence of hackin...
    He actually used a sporting analogy. Can you believe it? John Key, asked on the fact that his staff had entered into a Labour Party computer and downloaded their database, Key replied, “It’s a bit like the Wallabies positing up their...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • A brief word on 100 Top political Tweeters
    The NZ Herald has put together a very useful list of top 100 political twtter accounts, what is most interesting from the lists is that the right wing all work hand in glove with each other where as the Left...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Are Whaleoil’s traffic stats a bloated illusion?
    Dim Post has done a critical analysis of just how real Cameron Slater’s traffic stats are. TDB has only been around for a year with a fragment of the digital footprint of the older blogs, yet we have managed to become...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Is Jordan Williams deceptive enough to blackma...
    There are so many issues raised by Nicky Hager’s book, that any one of them would be worthy of total focus on. Let’s chat about the claim in the book that Jordan Williams bragged to Slater and Lusk that he had...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Why ‘see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evi...
    This sign shows how National’s see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil denial isn’t working. National’s response to the book is that there is NOTHING in there that deserves anything more than the most briefest of eye motions. Key won’t...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • “Dirty Politics” and The Teflon Man
    . L-R- David Farrar, John Key, Cameron Slater . The release of Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Secrets” has unleashed more of a political firestorm than many had anticipated. (Or, perhaps some did.) The glare of publicity has been shone like...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Lyndelle Gibara – An Open Letter to Cameron Slater
    Dear Cameron,I am in Christchurch. I am not a ‘useless prick’. I have not asked to be ‘bailed out’ nor have my ‘scum friends’ in the eastern suburbs. I lost my cafe in September, the quakes wrecked my shop that...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Death threats or hit jobs?
    Shocked selfies while reading Dirty Politics are flooding Twitter - verily the vermin value their villainous vanity*    The beauty of Hager’s book is that there are so many horrific awful and insidious highlights, it’s difficult to know what to focus...
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Labour release emails proving Key has lied
    Labour have released emails proving Key has lied about National Party involvement into the hacking of the Labour Party computer… The Labour Party has released documents it says proves its website was hacked by people working for the National Party....
    The Daily Blog | 16-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – the TV political panels are ridiculous
    The total lack of depth and shallow talent pool of TV political panel shows in NZ is providing hideous coverage and insight into one of the most important political stories of the year. Yesterday Firstline had Jacinda Ardern and Jamie...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – response to Canon NZ
    Poor old Canon NZ. They have been so damaged by appointing Cam’s mate as a judge and her awarding him their Best Blogger Award. I feel for them, I really do. They are amazing supporters of Journalism in NZ when...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – the legality of using stolen emails
    I wonder if Key is humming, “I’ve got one less problem withoutcha” as he deletes Cams number from his phone?   One of the attack spin lines being run by National Party apologists in the media is that Nicky Hager has...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Release the emails and prove Key wrong
    It is vital in this crisis control of the meltdown that Key comes across as relaxed and not agitated, if he does he gives the game away on how damaged they are. He has to keep denying and claiming he...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Farrar oxygen stealing stunt backfires
    Oh poor David Farrar everyone. The wee babe is on the verge of a hysterical breakdown because he concludes after reading the hideous catalogue of hate and filth that his friends have vomited up in Dirty Politics that he must...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Key’s arrogance as a leader
    There is a lot that could be said about John Key at the moment but one thing that really irritates me about him is his complete lack of remorse or regret for the lies he’s told or the things he...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Nicky Hager’s ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson –Winston’s Liver? How about Minto’s Splee...
    I really do want to use my Daily Blog guest-blogger status to do more to amuse, enthuse, entertain and inflame the political classes of this country than just writing endless responses to InternetMANA affiliated personalities who seem to think it’s...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Hekia speaks with forked tongue
    There was a prescient moment at Wednesday night’s Tick For Kids education forum in Wellington. Hekia Parata had just wound up, and Tracey Martin MP took her place at the lectern. Without a pause she said that the education sector had...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Show me what democracy looks like: 6 activists for Palestine #Occupy the NZ...
    At around 12pm yesterday Nadia Filistin, who has been a major organiser in the Auckland protests against Israel’s ongoing assaults in Gaza over the last 6 weeks which has killed over 1900 Palestinians and injured thousands, updated her Facebook status...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Show me what democracy looks like: 6 Palestinian activists #Occupy the NZ S...
    At around 12pm yesterday Nadia Filistin, who has been a major organiser in the Auckland protests against Israel’s ongoing assaults in Gaza over the last 6 weeks which has killed over 1900 Palestinians and injured thousands, updated her Facebook status...
    The Daily Blog | 15-08
  • Drug Court: Rare Insight into New Alternative Justice Model
    Māori Television’s latest New Zealand documentary presents a fascinating look inside a new alternative justice model – through the stories of convicted criminals....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Political parties pledge to increase overseas aid
    A survey of political parties looking at how much New Zealand should spend on Official Development Assistance (ODA) shows the overwhelming majority of parties are committed to raising the bar according to the Council for International Development (CID)....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Top Kiwis backing Tip the Scales campaign
    Sir Graham Henry, former All Black Kees Meeuws, singer-song writer Jamie McDell and fishing guru Matt Watson have pledged their support to Tip the Scales, a pre-election campaign generating public support for rebuilding New Zealand’s depleted inshore...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Maritime Union continues to press over dirty politics
    Maritime Union National President Garry Parsloe says Ports of Auckland management is trying to get off the hook from its involvement with extreme right wing bloggers during the Ports of Auckland dispute....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • No end in sight to overwhelming human cost of conflict
    Two ceasefires have brought some respite to civilians in Gaza and southern Israel, amid hope that a durable cessation of hostilities might occur. In Gaza, these breaks in the fighting have barely given people enough time to seek medical care,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Young Kiwi speakers to represent NZ at Gallipoli 2015
    The RSA is delighted at the announcement made by Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Woodhouse today, that all eight regional finalists of the 2015 ANZ RSA Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition will be included in a group of 25 Youth Ambassadors...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • “Bromance” Marriage Stunt Insulting Says LegaliseLove
    A promotional competition asking two best mates to get married in order to win an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup is insulting, marriage equality campaign LegaliseLove Aotearoa claims....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Cannabis Party first to register for 2014 General Election
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party became the first party to register for the 2014 General Election today, when it meet with the Electoral Commission in Wellington at Midday....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • PGA: Addresses NZ’s ratification of Arms Trade Treaty
    President of Parliamentarians for Global Action and New Zealand MP Ross Robertson today addressed a celebration to mark New Zealand’s imminent ratification of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), which is expected within the next few weeks....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Roy Morgan Poll August 20
    National (48%) holds its lead over Labour/ Greens (39%) as ‘Dirty Politics’ revelations provide a new challenge for PM John Key’s leadership. NZ First surge to 6.5% - highest support since September 2013....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security (IGIS), Cheryl Gwyn, announced today that she would be instituting an inquiry concerning allegations that the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (NZSIS) might have released official information...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Glen Scanlon to Head Digital Media at Radio New Zealand
    Radio New Zealand has announced the appointment of Glen Scanlon to the recently created position of head of digital media....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Israel’s Gaza ceasefire violations go unreported
    It seems that it is only ceasefire violations that emanate from the Palestinian side that ever get publicised....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug courier sentenced for importing heroin
    South African drug courier, Laura Elizabeth Cilliers, was sentenced today in the Christchurch District Court to 7 years and 10 months in prison for importing approximately 1.2 kilograms of heroin....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Residential Property Speculators Days Numbered
    Rent heat cools as homes are replaced ... Liz McDonald ... The Press http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/your-property/10400851/Rent-heat-cools-as-homes-are-replaced Comment on thread (in moderation) … Christchurch is a “severely unaffordable” City as the Annual Demographia Survey ( www.demographia.com ) illustrates … thanks...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Academic’s study shows need for a Ministry of Public Input
    A book by Associate Professor Jennifer Lees-Marshment recommends the creation of a Ministry of Public Input to collect, process and communicate the publics’ ideas to government. The University of Auckland’s political marketing expert says the...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Government inaction killing innocent motorists
    Innocent people are dying due to long delays in installing centre lane barriers on high risk roads, says an outspoken road safety campaigner....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Property revaluations for council rates must be reformed
    Opportunity to bring controls on rating value changes and more equitable level of annual rates increase...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ron Mark Sets the Example
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the pledge by Mayor of Carterton and NZ First candidate Ron Mark who has announced he would relinquish his roles as Mayor and member of two District Health Boards if successfully elected to Parliament. Taxpayers’...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election
    MEDIA RELEASE: Angry rural communities want issue of 1080 aerial drops taken to the polls, says party co-leader Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Governor General Gives Direction to Conduct Election
    The Governor General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has given the green light for this year’s General Election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • New Zealand Animal Groups Unite to Help
    WELLINGTON (19 Aug 2014) – The Be Cruelty-Free campaign to ban animal testing of cosmetics in New Zealand just got bigger and stronger, as two leading animal protection groups come on board. Joining forces with Humane Society International which has...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Students Interrupt Steven Joyce at University Event
    A group of 30 students this evening interrupted an event about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which Tertiary Education Minister Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce began to speak, students interrupted with a speech of their own....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Caritas among first responders offering relief in Iraq
    As the plight of Iraqis fleeing persecution reaches tragic levels, Caritas Aotearoa New Zealand has pledged an initial $10,000 to support the work of Caritas in Iraq to provide humanitarian aid to thousands of families affected by the war and...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • iPredict 2014 Election Update #31: Nats take hit
    Election race narrows significantly · National party vote now below Labour/Greens · National’s probability of leading next government dips to 72% · Joyce expected to take over as National leader before end of 2015, as Collins’ prospects fall...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Call for applications – Fulbright scholar awards
    Fulbright New Zealand calls for applications to a range of scholar awards for New Zealand academics, artists and professionals to undertake academic and cultural exchanges to the United States of America. A Fulbright exchange provides life-changing opportunities...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • CWS launches appeal for Iraqis on World Humanitarian Day
    Christian World Service is appealing for help for tens of thousands of Iraqis caught up in one of the world’s horrifying conflicts....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Promoting the Voice of the Rangatahi
    Young Māori voters are seen by the Māori Party to have a vital part to play in saving the Māori seats in Parliament says the Māori Party’s youngest candidate, Reverend Te Hira Paenga. “What we’re hearing on the ground is...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Nelson Election Candidates’ Community Forum
    Nelson’s community and volunteer sector has some serious questions to put to the local candidates in the run up to next month’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Research NZ Budget Observer – Still On Track For Surplus
    New Zealand's Treasury today released their pre-election budget update, ahead of the 20 September vote. The government still expects to get back to surplus in 2014/15, albeit a slightly smaller surplus than expected in May. The growth forecasts were...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Nicky Hager’s first public comment on police investigation
    A complaint has been laid with police by Cameron Slater over the hacking of his computer and 'theft' of emails to supply to Nicky Hager for his explosive book Dirty Politics . We give Nicky Hager the first chance to...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Disabled Person’s Organisations report sent to UN
    A report written by Disabled Person’s Organisations (DPOs) representing the voice of disabled New Zealanders has been released and sent to the United Nations today....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Fuel and electricity price gouging hits regions hardest
    Mere Takoko - New Zealand First East Coast Candidate For Immediate Release - Tuesday, 19 August, 2014...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Government “opening of the books” shows wasted opportunity
    “The economic and fiscal forecasts in the pre-election update – the ‘opening of the government’s books’ – shows how the Government has failed to grasp the opportunity of the Global Financial Crisis to rebalance the economy,” says CTU...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Kiwis take up the challenge to end extreme poverty
    High profile New Zealanders have been invited to participate in Live Below the Line (LBTL). Part of a global initiative, LBTL challenges Kiwis to raise awareness of extreme poverty and to live on a daily food budget of $2.25 for...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • NZ Independent Coalition announces strong list
    NZ Independent Coalition Secretary Helen Anderson announced the party’s candidates for the 2014 election today - 10 candidates total, with four also standing in electorates....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • National Chooses to Campaign on High Tax, High Spend Policy
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming Bill English’s indication that the National Party will not offer voters any indication of tax cuts before next month's general election. Speaking to journalists and analysts in the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • SSC survey shows way forward for better public services
    The Public Service Association (PSA) has welcomed the release of the State Services Commission’s (SSC) Integrity and Conduct Survey 2013 , which it says indicates what needs to be done to strengthen the public services that New Zealanders use and...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Talent pipeline is the key to correcting gender balance
    Building a talent pipeline that fosters talented young women from early on in their careers is the key to gender balance at the most senior levels, according to EEO Trust Chief Executive Bev Cassidy-Mackenzie....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • A-Team of Election Data Analysis For Election 2014
    NZ's leading independent online news source Scoop.co.nz has teamed up with data heavyweights Roy Morgan Research and Spark Venture's brand-new big-data start up Qrious to deliver a under the covers perspective on the 2014 NZ General Election that has never...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update 2014
    Full PREFU: prefu14whole.pdf Full Executive Summary with charts: prefu14pt2of11.pdf Online: Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update 2014 — The Treasury - New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Survey of Integrity and Conduct in the State Services
    The State Services Commission (SSC) today published the report of the 2013 Integrity and Conduct Survey of the State Services. “The New Zealand State services is rated highly internationally for its standards of integrity and conduct and is considered...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Demand for Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ Underwhelms
    Family First NZ says that one year on from the marriage law being politically manipulated, the demand for same-sex marriages has been underwhelming with just 318 same-sex couples rushing to take advantage of the new definition to formalise their relationship...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Jacinda Ardern talks about life as an MP
    A class of Albany politics students gained some insight into life as a Member of Parliament this week, with a visit to campus from Labour List MP Jacinda Ardern....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Regional issues top agenda for election debate
    Wellington regional issues, from the flyover to extending the airport, will be in the spotlight at an election debate at Massey University’s Wellington campus tomorrow....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Walking and the Election
    The Green Party has topped the polls while National has failed to register according to NZ's pedestrian advocacy organisation Living Streets Aotearoa (LSA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Evidence of the dubious tactics of the alcohol industry
    Nicky Hager’s latest book “Dirty Politics” reports the alcohol industry works behind the scenes to actively try and smear the professional reputation of people who promote effective alcohol reforms in New Zealand, as well as other public health...
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • ACT’s plan to double cycle use without spending taxes
    "The National party yesterday announced a $100 million cycle-way that just happens to go through the marginal seat of Hutt South" said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Get Youth Justice out of the shadows into the daylight
    “Today it has been reported that on Friday afternoon a 12-year-old Hastings boy walking home from school was allegedly bashed by five high school students. His head was smashed onto the handlebars of his bike. He fell to the ground...
    Scoop politics | 18-08
  • Huge majority want action on ‘Environmental problems’
    Huge majority of New Zealanders (79.2%) want action on ‘Environmental problems’, majorities strongest in Labour held seats (8 out of the top 15 electorates)...
    Scoop politics | 18-08
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