Comments on: Guilty until proven innocent

By: rave

rave — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:10:43 +0000

Obama is doing it too, warrantless snooping.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15941

By: ak

ak — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:02:16 +0000

Bugger indeed.

Not exactly Michael Joseph reincarnate, is he. Darren or Jacinta could be, but.

By: r0b

r0b — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:27:30 +0000

Bugger.

Thanks for the background.

By: Idiot/Savant

Idiot/Savant — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:02:14 +0000

Did they intend to remove the presumption of innocence? Having dug into the cabinet papers on this a few years back when it was being developed (start here), yes, that was the intention all along. Goff even gloated about it when he introduced the original version of the bill to the House.

By: George D

George D — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:57:06 +0000

I’d be angry, but that’s just a waste of time. Just disappointed that the people I trusted to make New Zealand a better place are acting as ‘enablers’ for these changers, providing moral support by their silence.

I don’t think I’ll have the energy to sustain disappointment soon. The next stage is bitter cynicism.

By: the sprout

the sprout — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:02:45 +0000

let small business owners (and farmers) know that their computers and records can be trawled any time

that would be a very effective attack point

By: ak

ak — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:59:42 +0000

Staggering, innit.
And yet another indictment of our “free press”: compare the screeds of “nanny” faux-outrage over Hels signing a piccy for charity, shower-heads and lightbulbs, with the silence over this lurch to SS-like powers.

Redlogix nailed it on the other thread: let small business owners (and farmers) know that their computers and records can be trawled any time without their knowledge or consent and see the fur fly. Lots of dirty wee tax secrets out there in petit-bourgeoisie-toryland.

(off-topic but good article and some revealing comments here. “How neoliberalism has failed NZ”. Attacks on “jelly Key” from the right, but shakey on their own prescriptions)

By: logie97

logie97 — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:56:11 +0000

And I don’t suppose this will ever get at the likes of some of the Equiticorp shysters?

By: BLiP

BLiP — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:23:48 +0000

Not only is the presumption of innocence to be stripped away, also about to be removed is the right to silence. This centuries old right which requires that an accuser have sufficient evidence for prosecution, has already been removed in cases involving fraud, and now there is pressure to have it removed from other areas. What's next, habeas corpus? Oh, hang on, that's already gone! Thanks Labour.