Comments on: Harawira and Katene to cross the floor? http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/ The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0 - now in a new format The Standard v3.0 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:53:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ETS – last chance! at The Standard http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174261 ETS – last chance! at The Standard Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:47:12 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174261 [...] tips Lew and Lanthanide in comments, and of course great work by Grahame Armstrong in the Stuff piece linked [...] [...] tips Lew and Lanthanide in comments, and of course great work by Grahame Armstrong in the Stuff piece linked [...]

]]> By: Lew http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174256 Lew Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:36:52 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174256 Fat lady hasn't <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3095679/Maori-Party-revolt-threatens-Emissions-Trading-Scheme" rel="nofollow">sung yet</a>. L Fat lady hasn’t sung yet.

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]]> By: pentwig http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174141 pentwig Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:57:25 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174141 If the vote is tied doesn't the speaker cast a vote? If not Nact, would have no alternative but to repeal the original bill. If the vote is tied doesn’t the speaker cast a vote?

If not Nact, would have no alternative but to repeal the original bill.

]]> By: Scribe http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174127 Scribe Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:20:30 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174127 True, Lew. LOL True, Lew. LOL

]]> By: Lew http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174106 Lew Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:31:59 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174106 That's 1.1 hundreds of billions. L That’s 1.1 hundreds of billions.

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]]> By: Scribe http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174103 Scribe Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:23:02 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174103 <i>We already know the ETS will cost taxpayers hundreds of billions for subsidies to polluters</i> <b>Hundreds of billions?!?!</b> I'd heard an estimate of as high as $110 billion. Did I miss some other costings that would support your statement, Eddie? We already know the ETS will cost taxpayers hundreds of billions for subsidies to polluters

Hundreds of billions?!?! I’d heard an estimate of as high as $110 billion. Did I miss some other costings that would support your statement, Eddie?

]]> By: Draco T Bastard http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174042 Draco T Bastard Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:41:08 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174042 It would be good if some of those in the MP, especially considering the MPs minority report on the Nationals ETS, crossed the Rubicon and voted against them. It would be good if some of those in the MP, especially considering the MPs minority report on the Nationals ETS, crossed the Rubicon and voted against them.

]]> By: Zaphod Beeblebrox http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174032 Zaphod Beeblebrox Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:14:36 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174032 Over 600 admendments dumped sight unseen and unreviewed on the house. Thats nice. Over 600 admendments dumped sight unseen and unreviewed on the house. Thats nice.

]]> By: illuminatedtiger http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174030 illuminatedtiger Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:12:00 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174030 Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't every bill that is passed into law effectively a vote of confidence in the government? What would happen if the bill failed to pass? Would they even vote on it if they didn't know if they had the numbers for it to pass? Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t every bill that is passed into law effectively a vote of confidence in the government? What would happen if the bill failed to pass? Would they even vote on it if they didn’t know if they had the numbers for it to pass?

]]> By: tc http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-174022 tc Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:58:00 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-174022 One thing I'm pretty sure of is this is a defining moment for the MP and will probably splinter them one way or another. I don't think it can survive this intact without creating a breakaway, led by Hone maybe, because after all this is said and done he is being left hung out to dry for doing alot less than Blinglish/Worth/Smith/Tolley have ever done. Time for the people who voted for the MP to find out if it's got the mana or the moolah as a priority. One thing I’m pretty sure of is this is a defining moment for the MP and will probably splinter them one way or another.

I don’t think it can survive this intact without creating a breakaway, led by Hone maybe, because after all this is said and done he is being left hung out to dry for doing alot less than Blinglish/Worth/Smith/Tolley have ever done.

Time for the people who voted for the MP to find out if it’s got the mana or the moolah as a priority.

]]> By: randal http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-173997 randal Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:58:11 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-173997 the fact that it is a subsidy to polluters is taking a large backseat to those who stand to gain from the taxes levied on everybody except those who do the dirty deeds. this is wonky to say the least and perfectly illustrates the schizophrenia at large in New Zealand where normal people hold two contradictory viewpoints but yet inist they are not mutually exclusive. I suppose it is a mass delusion from too much drinking and self will run riot. and if you criticise then we will send someone round to give you the bash now that that sort of behaviour is becoming if at least not acceptable then rife. the fact that it is a subsidy to polluters is taking a large backseat to those who stand to gain from the taxes levied on everybody except those who do the dirty deeds.
this is wonky to say the least and perfectly illustrates the schizophrenia at large in New Zealand where normal people hold two contradictory viewpoints but yet inist they are not mutually exclusive.
I suppose it is a mass delusion from too much drinking and self will run riot.
and if you criticise then we will send someone round to give you the bash now that that sort of behaviour is becoming if at least not acceptable then rife.

]]> By: outofbed http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-173978 outofbed Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:20:36 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-173978 i guess shes has her price I see that federated farmers now thinks a Carbon tax is a good idea My goodness maybe the Green were right i guess shes has her price
I see that federated farmers now thinks a Carbon tax is a good idea
My goodness maybe the Green were right

]]> By: toad http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-173976 toad Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:16:26 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-173976 Yeah, I don't get it Lew. She wrote the Maori Party Select Committee minority report that slammed the Government's approach. Yeah, I don’t get it Lew. She wrote the Maori Party Select Committee minority report that slammed the Government’s approach.

]]> By: Lew http://thestandard.org.nz/harawira-and-katene-to-cross-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-173975 Lew Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:10:41 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=25897#comment-173975 Wouldn't that be nice -- but Katene is on NTN at present defending the decision. L Wouldn’t that be nice — but Katene is on NTN at present defending the decision.

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