Comments on: Harawira offensive & dumb. No excuses

By: I don’t give a shit about Hone. But the lynch mob is interesting. at The Standard

Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:16:20 +0000

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By: Pure abstraction

Pure abstraction — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:55:55 +0000

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that. And so what?

Well isn’t it true that people disagree just for the sake of disagreeing?

I think so.

When it is Leigh, it becomes â€˜Lee’.

Isn’t it in a person’s nature, to be just plain difficult?

Isn’t it in a person’s nature to be petty? But in a â€˜masculine’ fashion- whatever that means.

By: Craig Ranapia

Craig Ranapia — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:38:21 +0000

gobsmacked wrote:

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that. And so what? No political party in this country is a Borg Collective (no more than Maori in general), but when it’s the “Maaaris” the end of the fucking world is nigh. The political landscape is also a wee bit more complex than the red corner and the blue corner — which isn’t a bad thing either.

By: Roflcopter

Roflcopter — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:37:14 +0000

A very good read Marty, well done.

By: dave

dave — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:01:08 +0000

Craig, its a pity the same cannot be said for Harawiras local electorate committee. They dont even believed Harawira lied to Turia, and that’s what they are telling their people and their people are believing it. They are tolerating bullshit so much they are spreading it themselves.

By: gobsmacked

gobsmacked — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:53:10 +0000

Re-read my comment, Craig.

There are – and have been for ages – divisions within the Maori Party. The MSM ignored them. Now they have surfaced.

By: the sprout

the sprout — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:44:59 +0000

no problem Craig, thanks for saying

By: the sprout

the sprout — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:37:53 +0000

well said

By: ropata

ropata — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:14:39 +0000

In NZ, the most popular sport is “race-baiting”. It has a long and time-honoured tradition. The sport is played in a series of statements to the media in a game of one-upmanship. Players take turns fighting for the moral high ground, allowing them “political points”. Like soccer, a typical move is for one player to make an error leading to a tackle. At this point players often use the “hollywood” strategy, acting wounded and aggrieved, the player whose act is most convincing wins the moral high ground. (until the next exciting game).

Recent games were held in Mt Albert, where a rank outsider in this bruising sport, Melissa Lee, made a transparent attempt to steal “political points” by being of the wrong race. Legitimate players of the game are white or brown ONLY, yellow is of course not permitted.

By: gingercrush

gingercrush — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:14:06 +0000

A very fine post Marty. I think what Harawira has done is disgusting but other MPs in other parties have been as disgusting. I.e. David Garret in Act. I don’t think he should resign. In particular this whole event shows very poor leadership and organisation within the party. I also have to wonder how much of a discord there is between the leadership of the Maori Party and the Maori people they’re suppose to represent. Losing Te Tai Tokerau would be a big loss for the Maori Party. The real issue seems to be that there has obviously been ongoing problems yet either the Party waited for Hone to snap or refused to reconcile differences.

The Maori Party have given too much to the government. For me its not a problem because I’m a big National supporter. The Maori Party remains popular within Maori but for how long? Nothing I’ve seen from the Maori Party point to something that will be long-term. They don’t have the long-held values of the Greens or even the principles around the Act party. Without that it seems difficult to see the Maori Party in any position to keep receiving votes. So far its been easy. But this is just one year into a new government. The Foreshore and Seabed issue could well be buried within a year. What happens then and what happens when Labour gets momentum again.

By: Craig Ranapia

Craig Ranapia — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:47:48 +0000

gobsmacked:

What planet are you on? I personally think the MSM has shown — well, not racist but a pretty condescending attitude towards the Maori Party’s entry into the Government. Those cheeky darkies (to coin a phrase) didn’t stick to the script, and we can’t have that. Can we?

I’d also suggest that the MSM really need to wrap their heads around the fact that the whole FPP ‘elected dictatorship’ way of politics is gone. I know we all grieve in different ways, but when you’re been stuck on denial and anger for sixteen years that’s (to used a psychoanalytical term) fucked in the head.

By: mickysavage

mickysavage — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:30:22 +0000

Prove it. In doing so you can only rely on evidence obtained from this reality.

By: burt

burt — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:28:56 +0000

You still think socialism works – what would you know about reality ?

By: mickysavage

mickysavage — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:18:31 +0000

Hey Burt

You should try a reality based argument. They are much more fun and much more satisfying.

By: burt

burt — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:15:02 +0000

Political Expediency and Sons, Inc. – is that the replacement for Political Expediency and Sisters, Inc. that we chucked out last year ?