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	<title>Comments on: Hide shoots the messenger</title>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169661</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett,

Why don&#039;t you post about it on the open mic thread?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett,</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you post about it on the open mic thread?</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169650</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few things.

1) We&#039;re not a &quot;Labour blog&quot;, though the posters here obviously favour Labour over National. A few used to favour the Greens even more, but they&#039;ve either departed or lost the taste for it since the Greens&#039; descent into Normanism.

2) Of course &lt;i&gt;The Standard&lt;/i&gt; is politically biased, read the About. We have never claimed to be an objective, non-partisan news outlet like the Herald does.

3) I don&#039;t see why not criticising a Maori Party MP would make us biased, unless you&#039;re claiming that we&#039;re shilling for the government.

4) There&#039;s actually a post scheduled for later today that touches on both Hone and Hide. You&#039;ll just have to learn to be patient Brett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things.</p>
<p>1) We&#8217;re not a &#8220;Labour blog&#8221;, though the posters here obviously favour Labour over National. A few used to favour the Greens even more, but they&#8217;ve either departed or lost the taste for it since the Greens&#8217; descent into Normanism.</p>
<p>2) Of course <i>The Standard</i> is politically biased, read the About. We have never claimed to be an objective, non-partisan news outlet like the Herald does.</p>
<p>3) I don&#8217;t see why not criticising a Maori Party MP would make us biased, unless you&#8217;re claiming that we&#8217;re shilling for the government.</p>
<p>4) There&#8217;s actually a post scheduled for later today that touches on both Hone and Hide. You&#8217;ll just have to learn to be patient Brett.</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169648</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes pilfering $25,000 to pay for your girlfriend so you can have a love trist is totally comparable to taking a self-funded day off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes pilfering $25,000 to pay for your girlfriend so you can have a love trist is totally comparable to taking a self-funded day off</p>
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		<title>By: ghostwhowalksnz</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169643</link>
		<dc:creator>ghostwhowalksnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a Labour blog, of course they are &#039;biased&#039;

You see to be confused about what partisan blogs do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a Labour blog, of course they are &#8216;biased&#8217;</p>
<p>You see to be confused about what partisan blogs do</p>
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		<title>By: ghostwhowalksnz</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169642</link>
		<dc:creator>ghostwhowalksnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the theme park was Universal City Hollywood, where the main attraction is Woody Woodpecker &amp; The Simpsons


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Studios_Hollywood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the theme park was Universal City Hollywood, where the main attraction is Woody Woodpecker &amp; The Simpsons</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Studios_Hollywood" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Studios_Hollywood</a></p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169634</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seconded.

It actually explains a lot.  This may be a &quot;beltway&quot; issue but the perception is of a bunch of Ministers doing their own thing with no coordination and no overall management.  The worse the Minister is the more bizarre their policy is.

And nice Mr Key is in overall control.  Kiwis may like him because he does not appear to be a politician and is relaxed about everything but the chaos of his government is only going to get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconded.</p>
<p>It actually explains a lot.  This may be a &#8220;beltway&#8221; issue but the perception is of a bunch of Ministers doing their own thing with no coordination and no overall management.  The worse the Minister is the more bizarre their policy is.</p>
<p>And nice Mr Key is in overall control.  Kiwis may like him because he does not appear to be a politician and is relaxed about everything but the chaos of his government is only going to get worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169632</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO posts on the Standard about Hone, funny that.

Yet you guys accuse the Herald of being bias.

Oh at kiwiblog they have done posts about both the corrupt  Hyde and Hone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO posts on the Standard about Hone, funny that.</p>
<p>Yet you guys accuse the Herald of being bias.</p>
<p>Oh at kiwiblog they have done posts about both the corrupt  Hyde and Hone.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure who this van Beyan chap is, but if you mean Martin van Beynen, the whole affair is idiotic -- both Hide attacking him, and not knowing he was there in the first place. He&#039;s not exactly anonymous, but a senior and very well-respected investigative journalist with a knack for the documentary, and given that the whole breakfast was so well-publicised it was damfoolish to assume no media would be in attendance. 

And I&#039;ll bet you a breakfast of your own that he registered and paid his $45 under his own name like any other punter -- giving him every right to discuss what transpired. 

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure who this van Beyan chap is, but if you mean Martin van Beynen, the whole affair is idiotic &#8212; both Hide attacking him, and not knowing he was there in the first place. He&#8217;s not exactly anonymous, but a senior and very well-respected investigative journalist with a knack for the documentary, and given that the whole breakfast was so well-publicised it was damfoolish to assume no media would be in attendance. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll bet you a breakfast of your own that he registered and paid his $45 under his own name like any other punter &#8212; giving him every right to discuss what transpired. </p>
<p>L</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey do you think that might work? Let&#039;s try. All together now: 

&quot;Fuck off back to the bog Razorlight you tiresome troll&quot;

Or does it only work in allcaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey do you think that might work? Let&#8217;s try. All together now: </p>
<p>&#8220;Fuck off back to the bog Razorlight you tiresome troll&#8221;</p>
<p>Or does it only work in allcaps?</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169621</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;manage to start fires just like kids left alone with matches&quot;

nice line</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;manage to start fires just like kids left alone with matches&#8221;</p>
<p>nice line</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169617</link>
		<dc:creator>tc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this is pretty predictable from the pinstriped little dictator but where&#039;s the opposition members siezing upon this as yet another example of a shambolic, disconnected, self serving coalition without effective leadership rushing around with no cross checking or robust critical analysis on the likes of Wodney and others.
The comment about showing up with papers and not being reviewed as everyones too busy should be stacked up against the overseas trips and other snout in the trough activities to paint a lazy gov&#039;t.......the royal commission already visited the super cities so what did they miss that wodney needed to personally visit them for......perhaps one for question time.
Hide&#039;s let the gennie out of the bottle on the inner workings and it explains why Tolley/Smith and others manage to start fires just like kids left alone with matches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this is pretty predictable from the pinstriped little dictator but where&#8217;s the opposition members siezing upon this as yet another example of a shambolic, disconnected, self serving coalition without effective leadership rushing around with no cross checking or robust critical analysis on the likes of Wodney and others.<br />
The comment about showing up with papers and not being reviewed as everyones too busy should be stacked up against the overseas trips and other snout in the trough activities to paint a lazy gov&#8217;t&#8230;&#8230;.the royal commission already visited the super cities so what did they miss that wodney needed to personally visit them for&#8230;&#8230;perhaps one for question time.<br />
Hide&#8217;s let the gennie out of the bottle on the inner workings and it explains why Tolley/Smith and others manage to start fires just like kids left alone with matches.</p>
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		<title>By: kaplan</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169604</link>
		<dc:creator>kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why?  Because you think if we all say it at once it will make it true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why?  Because you think if we all say it at once it will make it true?</p>
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		<title>By: Razorlight</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169601</link>
		<dc:creator>Razorlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets all say it together


BELTWAY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets all say it together</p>
<p>BELTWAY</p>
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		<title>By: Tigger</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-169598</link>
		<dc:creator>Tigger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to spin a soulless, corporate run city into the &#039;happiest place on earth&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to spin a soulless, corporate run city into the &#8216;happiest place on earth&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Letts</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/hide-shoots-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-213160</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Letts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Hide shoots the messenger at The Standard: &quot;Fuck off back to the bog Razorlight you tiresome troll&#039;. Or does it.. http://bit.ly/2GpkK5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Hide shoots the messenger at The Standard: &#8220;Fuck off back to the bog Razorlight you tiresome troll&#8217;. Or does it.. <a href="http://bit.ly/2GpkK5" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2GpkK5</a></span></span></span></p>
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