Hone Harawira’s Nephew

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1. Anne 1

   1 July 2013 at 6:41 pm

   Point brilliantly made!

   They call it attempting guilt by association. And the Harawira family are refusing to comment. Smart choice.
   • North 1.1

     1 July 2013 at 8:43 pm

     I never heard any loud wah wah wah pointedly identifying a currently serving National Party MP as the son of a former National Party MP convicted of systematic and ongoing theft.

     Theft of a substantial sum over a longish period from a charity or service organisation of which he was the CEO after his troughing in politics ended. Offending to which he pleaded guilty. No question about his criminality, offending compounded by gross breach of trust.

     Certainly I won’t engage the churlishness of naming either of them, that would to be to sin equally. Suffice to say that like daddy like spawn – judgmental, superior, big-mouthed pricks. One of them a criminal !

     And for the thickos out there who might be incited to say I’m rationalising or going light on Mau Harawira’s crime, get fucked. You know I’m not. You’d just be exposing your thickness and your irresistible need to paint Hone Harawira a beast. Your pathology not mine.
2. marty mars 2

   1 July 2013 at 6:42 pm

   exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, !
3. karol 3

   1 July 2013 at 6:43 pm

   Now I’m worried. Must go and check out what all my nephews are up to, in case they harm my career potential.
   • Populuxe1 3.1

     1 July 2013 at 7:46 pm

     If they are assaulting 12 year old children in their own homes, I would suggest that you indeed should be concerned.
     • North 3.1.1

       1 July 2013 at 8:45 pm

       Thick Old PopuLaxative. Missed Karol’s point by several country miles. Hahaha.
       • Populuxe1 3.1.1.1

         1 July 2013 at 8:56 pm

         Laughing off abused and traumatised twelve year old boy – how classy. The only people around here missing the point are a few tired old radicals.
         • North 3.1.1.1.1

           1 July 2013 at 10:00 pm

           Yeah yeah rave on Populaxative. You’re still missing the point.
         • framu 3.1.1.1.2

           2 July 2013 at 7:59 am

           “Laughing off abused and traumatised twelve year old boy”

           which is happening where exactly?
           • felix 3.1.1.1.2.1

             2 July 2013 at 8:13 am

             In every comment in this thread not written by Pop, apparently.
     • Frank Macskasy 3.1.2

       1 July 2013 at 9:07 pm

       @ Populuxe1

       Who are “they”…?
     • Tim 3.1.3

       1 July 2013 at 10:29 pm

       Christ! Here we go again!
       If there was one question I would actually give a shit about your answering Populuxicle – it’d be WHY is it that you have a presence on sites like this, pathetically staking claims in various posts as though you were/are some sort of sage, desperately pushing shit uphill (PLEASE – that’s not alluding to any sort of sexual proclivity).

       The only reason I can think of – well best not!
       I only ask, because you’re an intelligent sort of fella – but CHRIST! some of the shit you come out with sometimes really stinks of desperado territory.

       I find sometimes that fucking chickens is quite therapeutic
4. fender 4

   1 July 2013 at 6:51 pm

   TV3 led with this story at 6pm, Key probably asked them to.

   It’s time I gave TV1 another go.
   • weka 4.1

     1 July 2013 at 6:54 pm

     What happened?
     • karol 4.1.1

       1 July 2013 at 7:01 pm

       See the opening sentence in the 3 news report.
       • weka 4.1.1.1

         1 July 2013 at 7:07 pm

         Thanks Karol. I think I won’t even go there. Just googled Harawira +news, and the subject lines there were enough. Fuck the MSM, I hope they’re the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
         • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.1.1

           1 July 2013 at 7:15 pm

           Looking overseas, that might not be such a dim and distant prospect, currently.
           • weka 4.1.1.1.1.1

             1 July 2013 at 8:39 pm

             Ae, my choice of phrasing was perhaps not very thoughtful.
             • North …

               1 July 2013 at 8:49 pm

               Ceaucescu Ceaucescu Ceaucescu.
     • fender 4.1.2

       1 July 2013 at 7:06 pm

       TV3 placed too much importance in this story due to the crime being committed by Hones nephew.
       • Populuxe1 4.1.2.1

         1 July 2013 at 7:41 pm

         Really? And here was me thinking it was because the victim was a 12 year old child attacked in their home. You make me sick.
         • fender 4.1.2.1.1

           1 July 2013 at 8:53 pm

           Although heinous, crimes of this level never lead the 6pm slot, unless the offender is related to a well known figure of course.
           • Populuxe1 4.1.2.1.1.1

             1 July 2013 at 9:13 pm

             It’s not uncommon if the victim of said crime is a child. Don’t be obtuse. If the victim had been another adult, it wouldn’t have been the first story on.
             • One Anonymous Knucklehead …

               2 July 2013 at 6:58 am

               Yeah, you keep on telling yourself that.
             • karol …

               2 July 2013 at 8:08 am

               Pop, the story is headlined as “Harawira’s nephew a “gutless bully” for attack”

               The print version of the story begins with the sentence “A nephew of Mana Party leader Hone Harawira has been jailed for what a judge has labelled a drunken, gutless and cowardly attack on a 12-year-old boy.”

               The video has the anchor starting the story, and thus framing it, with the same statement plus some emotive embellishments.

               The 12 year old boy part of the story is added for impact, but not the primary concern of the way the story is told. I agree it should be the main focus.

               The story was framed as being about Harawira’s relationship to the perpetrator.
   • lprent 4.2

     1 July 2013 at 8:39 pm

     It’s time I gave TV1 another go.

     Don’t bother. Just disconnect the aerial. Use DVD’s and the net.. Somewhat better service.
     • mickysavage 4.2.1

       1 July 2013 at 8:42 pm

       Yep.

       Use the Standard. Much better analysis and discussion …
       • Populuxe1 4.2.1.1

         1 July 2013 at 9:14 pm

         Yeah, echo chambers are so much more comfortinng than having to deal with the harsh, cruel realities of the world.
         • North 4.2.1.1.1

           1 July 2013 at 10:04 pm

           One of which harsh, cruel realities is you PopuLaxative. Echo echo echo……thud.
         • Tim 4.2.1.1.2

           1 July 2013 at 10:45 pm

           See above … so how come you’re here Pops – I’d GENUINELY like to know. Is it some sort of crusade?
           What the hell drives you – other than ego and the static electricity that comes from that surface spin – plastic against nylon, friction against an opposing force.
           Still – I suppose it must keep you fit.
   • TheContrarian 4.3

     2 July 2013 at 1:08 am

     “Key probably asked them to do it”

     Anne sez:

     Don’t make claims you can’t verify….
     • fender 4.3.1

       2 July 2013 at 10:29 am

       Sorry Sir, perhaps I should have said:

       I wouldn’t be surprised if the National Party have some editorial influence over TV3 due to them being very cosy with Mediaworks. So cosy in fact that they loaned them 43 million dollars of taxpayers money.
       • TheContrarian 4.3.1.1

         2 July 2013 at 12:05 pm

         Still unverifiable. Anne will be horrified
         • Anne 4.3.1.1.1

           2 July 2013 at 5:30 pm

           Yeah… I’ve got a sense of humour. Quite funny.
5. Brett Dale 5

   1 July 2013 at 6:57 pm

   If this was John Key’s nephew, I can imagine the comments.

   Hypocrites.
   • Anne 5.1

     1 July 2013 at 7:04 pm

     Don’t make claims you can’t verify Brett Dale.

     It wouldn’t happen to John Key’s nephew for starters. His crime plus sentence (home detention I expect) would be hushed up. But in the unlikely event it did make the public arena, most of us would agree it had no bearing or relevance to John Key. He is in no way responsible for the activities of any of his relatives in the same way as it is not the responsibility of Hone Harawira.
     • Brett Dale 5.1.1

       1 July 2013 at 7:07 pm

       Anne:
       If John key’s adult nephew beat the crap out of a 12 year old, the media would be all over it.
       • North 5.1.1.1

         1 July 2013 at 10:28 pm

         And ShonKey Python would simply refuse to read the newspaper account and deny it ever happened, a la Botox Banks.

         You really are a sick thick puppy Bretty. Mind you I sympathise. Less and less the world’s lying down to the effete giggles of your 50 mill’ superhero.

         I diagnose a condition related to that from which shrinks in the North of England make money for jam every time Man U loses. It’s called “Thwarted Aspirational Narcissism” aka “Stroking”.

         You must take your meds bro’ !
     • Populuxe1 5.1.2

       1 July 2013 at 7:39 pm

       If John Key’s adult nephew drunkedly chased a child all they way to that child’s home, cornered the child in their bedroom and beat the shit out of them, there is no way in the world the media isn’t going to be all over that. Don’t be so fucking ridiculous, you’re embaressing yourself.
       • Anne 5.1.2.1

         1 July 2013 at 7:49 pm

         There’s something called name suppression P1. Ever heard of it? I seem to recall Sir Doug Graham’s son being given name suppression when his father was a cabinet minister. It did come out eventually but I think it was after his tenure as a cabinet minister was over.

         You really should change your pseudonym to Pratt1. More appropriate.
         • Populuxe1 5.1.2.1.1

           1 July 2013 at 7:58 pm

           Anne – you are just grasping at straws. Nephew, not son. Very different scenario. And the media would be all over it trying to overturn supression for a story that juicy. Not to mention that the international media would not be covered by name supression. Don’t be ridiculous, and think about the poor 12 year old kid who is probably traumatised for life.
         • Brett Dale 5.1.2.1.2

           1 July 2013 at 8:12 pm

           Anne:

           The parents of the child that was abuse, are angry with Hone, for saying
           he will contact them to make amends, but then he didnt. Again the parents
           of the child abused are angry at Hone.
         • Matthew Hooton 5.1.2.1.3

           2 July 2013 at 12:50 am

           Your recollection is wrong. Doug Graham’s son crashed his car and left the scene. It led the news and then again when he went to court. There was no name suppression.
           • Anne 5.1.2.1.3.1

             2 July 2013 at 10:12 am

             Then I’m thinking of another cabinet minister . Oh yes, somebody McKay. He was a former children’s commissioner who conducted a campaign against child abuse. Turned out to be a fraudster. Went to prison. He had name suppression for a long time – long enough for his off-spring to be able to cement himself in as a National MP. Fair enough. He was not responsible for his father’s behaviour. Neither did the MSM make any attempt to associate him with it at the time.

             So why don’t they apply the same rule to Hone Harawira? Because he comes from the wrong side of the political tracks? Because they enjoy the pack mentality of putting the boot into any opponent of their beloved clotheless emperor, His Glorious Nibs, John Phillip Key?
       • Mary 5.1.2.2

         1 July 2013 at 7:50 pm

         He’d probably get name suppression.
     • TheContrarian 5.1.3

       2 July 2013 at 1:15 am

       When Brett makes a claim about what The standards reaction would be ifit were Keys nephew Anne sez we shouldn’t make claims that can’t be verified…and then goes to make claims that can’t be verified. Cognative dissonance is alive and well
       • Anne 5.1.3.1

         2 July 2013 at 10:48 am

         I don’t recall claiming anything as fact. I proffered several possibilities (and one probability which has turned out to be partly true) but that is not claiming something to be fact.
         • fender 5.1.3.1.1

           2 July 2013 at 11:37 am

           TheContraption doesn’t know how to identify the difference between speculation and a statement of fact.
         • TheContrarian 5.1.3.1.2

           2 July 2013 at 12:11 pm

           You made exactly the same assertion as Brett after telling him not to do so.
           He speculated on one thing while you told him not to before making wild speculation yourself. Your dissonance is clear
           • Anne 5.1.3.1.2.1

             2 July 2013 at 1:15 pm

             Your dishonesty here is clear TC.

             Brett Dale speculated about something that was incorrect.

             That is, if it was John Key’s nephew, the media would be all over it in the same way as they are all over Hone Harawira. Words to that effect anyway. Well, there’s a precedent which shows that would NOT be the case. I refer to former cabinet minister and children’s commissioner – was his name McClay?

             Sure, when suppression was finally lifted the media were on to it in a big way. The difference is: they didn’t come up with headlines and story lines associating his politician son with his father’s dramatic fall from grace. In fact they acted with commendable restraint and decency.

             But Hone Harawira is different. He’s a brown politician from a well known – and at times in the past infamous – family. That he may not have been directly involved with that historical infamy is beside the point. Of course the MSM (or at least some of them) are not going to treat him in the same way as McClay’s son. They went out of their way to infer Hone is guilty by association. I call it pernicious and racist – nothing less.
   • marty mars 5.2

     1 July 2013 at 7:05 pm

     Why do you want to lower the tone numbnuts – typical of you to bring relatives into it just so you can get a dig in – you are disgusting to try and do that and using the prime minister – that is a gilmore you doofus
     • Brett Dale 5.2.1

       1 July 2013 at 7:08 pm

       Marty:

       Not for the first time, Im confused.
       • marty mars 5.2.1.1

         1 July 2013 at 7:16 pm

         you imagined about the comments there would be if someone bought a relative into the debate by bringing a relative into the debate that you imagined about – and you had the temerity to use the prime minister – that is low by anyone’s standards brett, low – shame on you.
         • Brett Dale 5.2.1.1.1

           1 July 2013 at 7:24 pm

           I did that??

           Im not that smart!
           • Brett Dale 5.2.1.1.1.1

             1 July 2013 at 7:26 pm

             http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhrfhjLd9e4
           • marty mars 5.2.1.1.1.2

             1 July 2013 at 7:34 pm

             I know mate – just having you on
             • Brett Dale …

               1 July 2013 at 7:37 pm

               Cool! 🙂
               • felix …

                 1 July 2013 at 10:58 pm

                 Not really Brett.

                 I just imagined that instead of a smiley face you put a swastika at the end of your comment.

                 And yet you say you don’t like H1tler.

                 Hypocrite.
                 • Brett Dale …

                   2 July 2013 at 9:59 am

                   Felix:

                   I will stick with the smily face, thank you very much.
6. Brett Dale 6

   1 July 2013 at 7:02 pm

   Anthony

   Be honest now, if this was Joh keys nephew, do you think it would’ve gotten the same coverage, or more or less?

   TVNZ interviewed the family of the kid, and were commenting on Hone, telling the media he would speak to them, but he never did.

   So again and be honest now, if this was Key’s nephew do you think the media would’ve report it the same way?
   • r0b 6.1

     1 July 2013 at 8:28 pm

     Honestly? No I don’t. It would make the news – but not to the obsessive level that this has.
     • Populuxe1 6.1.1

       1 July 2013 at 8:47 pm

       So Hone is more important that the PM? Because that’s what you are implying. The influence of the government over the media is greatly overstated – if it bleeds, it leads and the PM would definitely be bleeding a lot more than the sole MP of a marginal minor party.
       • fender 6.1.1.1

         1 July 2013 at 9:02 pm

         The media love to sensationalise anything to do with Hone Harawira and his family due to their polarising potential to upset the rednecks.
         • Brett Dale 6.1.1.1.1

           1 July 2013 at 9:08 pm

           Fender:

           yeah a 30 year old follows a child home to his bedroom and beats the crap
           out of him.

           and some people have the nerve to call that news.
           • fender 6.1.1.1.1.1

             1 July 2013 at 9:13 pm

             It’s disturbing news I agree. And it’s far more common than TV3 would have you believe.
       • Chris 6.1.1.2

         1 July 2013 at 9:24 pm

         Luxe you need to wake up your mind… Hone’s name has been dragged into the sorry behaviour of his nephew for 1 reason and 1 reason only… to discredit him, hasn’t worked in my estimation. If anything Hone’s self control at not lashing out at msm is a credit to him.
         • Populuxe1 6.1.1.2.1

           1 July 2013 at 9:32 pm

           Hone brought himself into the story when he offered to sort it out with the child’s parents and didn’t. Not to mention he is a very high profile public figure and the thug is the son of his sister.
           • Chris 6.1.1.2.1.1

             1 July 2013 at 9:41 pm

             What has the son of his sister got to do with Hone? Did Hone take part in the assault? Hone’s relationship with the shytehead is irrelevant. Like I said wake up your mind.
             • Populuxe1 …

               1 July 2013 at 10:48 pm

               Hone involved himself in arbitration between the two whanau, therefore he is involved in the situation – or rather he mysteriously backed out leaving the parents of the victim in the dark. Are you now up to speed?
               • fender …

                 1 July 2013 at 10:56 pm

                 You need to read comment no.16 by bad12.
                 • Populuxe1 …

                   1 July 2013 at 11:00 pm

                   I have now – I accept that is a very important piece of information, but would like some sort of citation rather than take it on hearsay.
                   • felix …

                     1 July 2013 at 11:29 pm

                     You mean in spite of all your obsessive angry ranting on (well, off actually) the topic, you haven’t even seen or heard any of the news reports that the post is about?

                     F.
                     F.
                     S.

                     You pillock.
             • North …

               1 July 2013 at 11:08 pm

               Who the fuck do you think you are PopuLaxative you sad old loose crud?

               You’re winding yourself up near to a stroke because people find your pathological need to smash Hone Harawira on account of the nephew’s criminality gross and offensive. Grow up for Christ’s Sake and go back and have a read of North @ 1.1 above.

               How much do you really care about that kid anyway ? I didn’t see you mouthing hard about yesterday’s 12 year old victim and you won’t be mouthing hard about tomorrow’s 12 year old victim. Hypocrite !

               I’m sure the criminal Mr X (Snr) former National Party MP would be just chuffed and his son the non-criminal Mr X (Jnr) current National Party MP would be just chuffed were I to prove your specious points by clutching the pearls and squealing their names, as you do Hone’s.

               I’m invulnerable to any challenge to do so saddo so don’t go there. It would propel me way down to your shit level.
     • Psycho Milt 6.1.2

       2 July 2013 at 3:28 pm

       I suspect a story about an adult Key nephew doing a home invasion, beating a 12-year-old and stealing his stuff would have some long, healthy legs on it for the nation’s journos. Still, you might be right about it not getting as much attention as this one – it’s not like the Key family has form for violence against the helpless.
7. Brett Dale 7

   1 July 2013 at 7:03 pm

   Then again, seven sharp is using Alex Jones as a reference to another story, so how much credibility do they have?
   • framu 7.1

     2 July 2013 at 8:04 am

     its seven sharp brett – i think you answered your own question 🙂
8. Binders full of women 8

   1 July 2013 at 7:44 pm

   Looks like you need to go right through the original post and change nephew! to nephews! (as in 3!).
9. muzza 9

   1 July 2013 at 7:44 pm

   More important than…

   -Christchurch Council being relieved of consent issue!

   -Peter Dunnes email being snooped on!

   Love the MSM in NZ, making it a better country, by the day!
   • Populuxe1 9.1

     1 July 2013 at 7:49 pm

     Which were all leads on the news as well, you moron.
     • muzza 9.1.1

       1 July 2013 at 8:55 pm

       They were not all leads, there was only one lead!
       • Populuxe1 9.1.1.1

         1 July 2013 at 9:02 pm

         They are all leads – they are the main stories to which the most time is devoted to – including the 19 dead firemen in the US you neglected to mention. Then they finish with a fluff piece. If it was a really big story it would carry through to the following current affairs show.
         • muzza 9.1.1.1.1

           1 July 2013 at 9:08 pm

           Are you pretending to know which news I follow, or not as the case may be!

           They’re all leads 😉

           Fluff piece 😉

           Get in there my son!
         • fender 9.1.1.1.2

           1 July 2013 at 9:09 pm

           No TV3 neglected the 19 firemen by relegating them to the number two slot for a story that while disturbing, didn’t deserve the no.1 slot.
           • Populuxe1 9.1.1.1.2.1

             1 July 2013 at 9:16 pm

             Ah, perhaps you’re begining to understand how this works
   • Chris 9.2

     1 July 2013 at 9:27 pm

     yep muzz, Key is paving the way to send a commissioner in to ChCh I reckon. The good citizens of ChCh are going to have to start making serious noises if they wish to keep democracy in their great city.
10. Populuxe1 10

    1 July 2013 at 7:44 pm

    This whole page is kind of embaressing. The RWNJs don’t even need to take the piss out of you when you so obligingly make tits of yourselves like this. Sure the fact that the perp is related to a high profile politician is newsworthy – you would be seriously in denial not to understand that – but shame on you all for basically dismissing the fact that the victim was a twelve year old child assaulted in their own home. Get a fucking grip!
    • mickysavage 10.1

      1 July 2013 at 8:00 pm

      Um I see no sign of that pl. Just resentment that Hone is being linked to the story.

      Hell I have met a few of his whanau and they are very decent people. I also prefer that none of us are judged by our relatives. I have many gems in mine including a great great great great grandfather Dainel who was sent to Australia after robbing someone of a watch. He then married a wonderful Samoan woman Noa and when they came to New Zealand she was possibly New Zealand’s first Samoan immigrant.

      We all have them. We all support them. We just hope that we are not the subject of the first news item just because they get into trouble.
      • Populuxe1 10.1.1

        1 July 2013 at 8:04 pm

        It is a close relationship to a major public figure. It was a particularly horrendous attack on a child. If the latter weren’t enough to make it highly newsworthy, the former certainly does. It’s not some secret media conspiracy.
      • Brett Dale 10.1.2

        1 July 2013 at 8:06 pm

        Micky

        Did you see tvnz news, the parents of the child that was beaten up, are upset at Hone, according to them, Hone told the media he would contact them, but he never did.

        You still think its a non story??
        • mickysavage 10.1.2.1

          1 July 2013 at 8:19 pm

          Hone has exceeded my expectations. He has really focussed on the job, talked about issues that are important and done his best to make the world a better place, at least for the poor and for Tangata Whenua.

          To beat up on him because of something his nephew did is frankly weird.

          So he should have gone around and made amends. Fair call. All relatives of people who do wrong should so this.

          But I still do not see the story.

          Why wasn’t the lead story that Key wants to hand the metadata of ordinary kiwis over to the US?
          • Populuxe1 10.1.2.1.1

            1 July 2013 at 8:30 pm

            It would be exactly the same if it were the close relative of a TV actor or an All Black – the association is still newsorthy. Not saying it’s right, but it’s not a conspiracy.
            • mickysavage 10.1.2.1.1.1

              1 July 2013 at 8:34 pm

              But if it was the close relative of a TV actor or an All Black I would still be totally disinterested.

              Do you think that our news should be dominated by stories about how someone’s relative did something wrong? Or shouldn’t it focus on news that matters?

              How about if the world does not get the emission of CO2 under control in the next ten years our civilisation will be wrecked. Isn’t this a more newsworthy story?
              • Populuxe1 …

                1 July 2013 at 8:39 pm

                Yes, but you obviously regard yourself as above the common herd like a typical failed Marxist with no interest in the “low brow” tastes and interests of the so-called working class you claim to represent the interests of.
              • Brett Dale …

                1 July 2013 at 8:40 pm

                Micky:

                heres the difference, this is a politician, who told the media he was going to
                contact the family of a 12 year old that was beaten up, and he didnt.

                Your happy with that??

                I go back to my original point, if this was key, the media and you guys would be
                all over it, but your not because your a hypocrite.
              • mickysavage …

                1 July 2013 at 8:51 pm

                Um populuxe1 I can low brow it with the best.

                But I am confused.

                You are saying it is newsworthy because it is a relative of a famous person (who is also a leftie).

                But you are criticising the left because we would have said it was newsworthy if it was a relative of John Key.

                But we have not.

                And we would still consider it to be totally unewsworthy.

                We would prefer that climate change was the lead story.
                • weka …

                  1 July 2013 at 8:59 pm

                  +1
                • Populuxe1 …

                  1 July 2013 at 9:05 pm

                  So you consider the assault of a 12 year old in their own home un-newsworthy? You drop in my estimation even further. You are actually more worried about appearing superior and Hone’s precious mana than a traumatised child.
                  • mickysavage …

                    1 July 2013 at 9:19 pm

                    Um nope. I know that in the next week there will be far too many instances where a child is hurt. Most of the cases will be ignored. This one because Hone was related to one of the perps is deemed to be newsworthy. Not because the child was injured but because there was a link to Hone.

                    If I had my way there would be no instances where a child was hurt by intruders. To get to that state I know that we will need full employment, a proper welfare system, a hum dinger of an education system and proper sharing of our country’s resources. A progressive tax system will be needed for a start and don’t get me started on a number of other areas where this Government is failing.

                    But you just go ahead and spin some shit suggesting that I and Hone are to blame.

                    And good attempted diversion. I am saying the left would be too embarrassed to even raise an extended family link as a reason to criticise Key. You are saying that we would sink to your level and do this when clearly we have not.

                    Can’t you do better than this pl1?
                    • Anne …

                      1 July 2013 at 9:21 pm

                      Well said mickysavage.
                    • Populuxe1 …

                      1 July 2013 at 9:36 pm

                      So who was the famous relative of the four kids found sleeping on a single matress, covered in sores, while their parents got pissed, taken into CYPS care, which also happened to be on tonight’s news?
                    • fender …

                      1 July 2013 at 9:44 pm

                      They family name was suppressed silly.
                    • Populuxe1 …

                      1 July 2013 at 10:50 pm

                      Must be John Key then 😛
            • karol 10.1.2.1.1.2

              2 July 2013 at 8:18 am

              “Nephew” is a bit of a long shot. Not the closest of relatives. My siblings would not be happy if I started claiming responsibility for their behaviour and telling their son/s how to behave.
          • Green Viper 10.1.2.1.2

            1 July 2013 at 9:09 pm

            +1 Mickey
        • Anne 10.1.2.2

          1 July 2013 at 8:21 pm

          I imagine he was given legal advice not to contact them Brett Dale. It would be a risky undertaking. His communication with them would almost certainly be misconstrued by his opponents. Given the low standard of our TV media reporting in particular, Hone Harawira was going to be dammed if he did and dammed if he didn’t. On balance, it’s better he stay out of it which is what he appears to be doing.
          • weka 10.1.2.2.1

            1 July 2013 at 8:50 pm

            Or there could be any number of private reasons why he didn’t visit. Because it’s a private matter between families.
          • Brett Dale 10.1.2.2.2

            1 July 2013 at 8:56 pm

            Anne:
            He would tell the family he would though.

            Did you see the interview the parents gave, they both seem
            very very level headed.
          • Matthew Hooton 10.1.2.2.3

            2 July 2013 at 12:54 am

            Anne, that would be PR advice not legal advice. I can’t see any legal reason why Harawira couldn’t talk to his nephew.
            • felix 10.1.2.2.3.1

              2 July 2013 at 7:11 am

              1. It’s not about talking to his nephew you fool.

              2. Like you’d know whether Hone received legal advice or not you liar.

              3. I can’t see any colour-therapy reason why Harawira couldn’t have a donut.
      • weka 10.1.3

        1 July 2013 at 8:21 pm

        “Just resentment that Hone is being linked to the story.”

        Although I suspect it’s how Hone is being linked to the story that’s the problem (haven’t watched the news myself).
        • Populuxe1 10.1.3.1

          1 July 2013 at 8:33 pm

          All they have said is that Hone is his uncle, and that the perp’s mother, Hone’s sister, is a prominent campaigner for anti-violence (which she stepped down from when it all became public). The only other connection mentioned was that Hone had promised to talk to th eparents of the assaulted child, but has since been a no show. That would all appear to be straightforward reportage to me.
          • weka 10.1.3.1.1

            1 July 2013 at 8:48 pm

            Just having a look, they’re HEADLINING with Harawira’s Nephew. That’s the message that’s important, that the assailant is a relative of Hone’s.
          • Chris 10.1.3.1.2

            1 July 2013 at 9:30 pm

            Are you being deliberately obtuse luxe or have you always been that way?
            • Populuxe1 10.1.3.1.2.1

              1 July 2013 at 9:44 pm

              For various reasons I would rather not go into, I empathise very much with the victim and his family, which is why most of you make me want to vomit.
              • felix …

                1 July 2013 at 10:44 pm

                Hi Pop. Can you point to one person in this thread who doesn’t care about drunk fuckwits beating up children?

                ‘Cos I can’t see any.

                While you’re at it, would you mind terribly explaining why it’s relevant that Hone is the fuckwit’s uncle?

                ‘Cos I haven’t seen you make that case at all, but you seem awful upset that other people think it’s irrelevant.

                And after all, that’s what the post and the thread is actually about you thick-as-pigshit, holier-than-though, walking-comprehension-fail, emotionally-trigger-happy, Dunning-Kruger-illustrating, Only-Gay-In-The-Village-delusion-suffering, sanctimonious, humourless ignorant wretched transparent cretinous pitiful miserable fuck.

                Tired of your bullshit.
                • Populuxe1 …

                  1 July 2013 at 10:52 pm

                  Interesting – you and Tim seem to have decided to use my sexual orientation to attack me. Is that really necissary?
                  Personally I am immensely tired of your bullshit too. It’s quite nasty – if you have no interest in what I have to say, don’t respond – it’s as simeple as that, but instead you home in on me and start attacking. Anyone would think you were obsessed.
                  • felix …

                    1 July 2013 at 11:02 pm

                    “you and Tim seem to have decided to use my sexual orientation to attack me.”

                    Where did I do that, Pop? More of your lies.
                    • weka …

                      2 July 2013 at 12:04 am

                      “Only-Gay-In-The-Village-“?
                    • felix …

                      2 July 2013 at 6:47 am

                      That’s not a reference to anyone’s sexuality, weka.

                      It refers to a particular line of bullshit that Pop engages in constantly, wherein he claims to hold, on pretty much any topic, a special perspective that none of the rest of us could possibly understand.

                      I’m not at all surprised that Pop immediately latched onto it though. Clearly any mention of the word “Gay” in this forum must have negative connotations and must be an attack on him personally.
                    • weka …

                      2 July 2013 at 10:16 am

                      ah, ok. But did you know he is gay? That might make the comment a tad over the line.
                    • felix …

                      2 July 2013 at 10:34 am

                      I couldn’t give a fuck if he’s gay. It’s not relevant to my comment in any way whatsoever.
                  • Tim …

                    2 July 2013 at 1:09 am

                    Geez – I missed that Pops.
                    No – as I’ve said before way back when, and as Tenesse Williams once said – “I’ve travelled the waterfront”.
                    My problem with you is you once accused me of being homophobic, racist, and a heap of other things after having merely expressed an opinion, AND because you often introduce utterly irrelevant crap into an argument that you’re losing, AND because you’re what I would regard as you’re own worst enemy when it comes to claiming a higher ground on the basis of your ‘minority’ disposition (being gay).
                    And….
                    And….

                    I’ve no desire to sound condescending, ummm so I won’t.
                    You’re quite obviously a very knowledgeable and intelligent fella, but sometimes you come out with complete and utter CRAP.
                    After I’d only visited this site a couple of times, I was pegged by you as a racist homophobe over some comment I made.
                    Some of the shit above after observations made by Morrisey B and others really is over the top.
                    Check out North’s comment – I have to agree: Nothing so dangerous …. etc.

                    Anyway, I wasn’t going to engage with you and probably best we don’t. I could get banned – not that it’d be the end of the world
                • North …

                  2 July 2013 at 12:01 am

                  Oh Felix……..you’re terrrrrrible……..but I liiiiike you !
                • One Anonymous Knucklehead …

                  2 July 2013 at 7:06 am

                  +1 Felix.

                  Populuxe1, pull your head in.
              • North …

                2 July 2013 at 12:02 am

                You can’t say I didn’t warn you ’bout those laxatives Pop
                • North …

                  2 July 2013 at 12:24 am

                  This is dangerous I know but there’s nothing so foul (and sad) as a right wing gay boy. Look at the Stuffy Old Man Finlayson.

                  You know, lifetime of discrimination, covert if not overt. But denial, denial, sad old denial…….very powerful……..yet eeeveryone knows.

                  Lefty meself. Proud of that. Not un-proud of the other one.
                  • Tim …

                    2 July 2013 at 12:30 am

                    Careful North! There’s a Populuxicle in training …. He’ll be along shortly to batter you down with dues paid over 1986 legislation.
                    • Tim …

                      2 July 2013 at 12:53 am

                      GOD how I’d love a “Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum” thread.

                      Normally I respect a person’s privacy and all that goes with it – that is, right up until the time those that proclaim all that ‘If you’ve nothing to hide…. kaka’ when a good many have a great deal to hide themselves.

                      All that ‘What Plays in Vegas, Stays in Vegas’ shit.

                      The kind of thing that makes Paula Bennett think she can shit on beneficiaries having milked every last drop out of the system that enabled her ‘self-made-man’ rise to fame.
                      OR
                      maybe those ‘chauffeurs’ that now work for whatever was once the Public Service Garage who shuffle round Proim Munsters and the like – ex bus drivers some of them who’s bathrooms fell off the back of a Wgtn Hospital Board truck

                      .. that sort of stuff.

                      Sauce for the Goose – source for the Gander
                      (and we haven’t even started on departmental heads of munstries and their underlings casting judgment on public service employees whilst attending whaling season in lower Tory Street) …
                      or Ministers that don’t inhale.

                      The hypocrisy astounds me sometimes
                  • McFlock …

                    2 July 2013 at 12:38 am

                    well, the evening’s taken an ugly turn. I’m off to bed.
                    • weka …

                      2 July 2013 at 10:19 am

                      I thought the whole of yesterday was like that…
      • lprent 10.1.4

        1 July 2013 at 8:42 pm

        I also prefer that none of us are judged by our relatives.

        In my case Bill Subritzky for instance… Urrggghhhh
        • Tim 10.1.4.1

          1 July 2013 at 10:54 pm

          u 2 huh!

          Funny how it all hangs together. Thankfully nommms dee plums
          But particularly amuuuuuzing to me the presence and expertise of the self proclaimed, self engrossed, self-promoting gliteratti above.

          We have in our presence the 1986 foreskin of the year P o p u l u x i c l e.

          Bow down
          Stand down
          … Next
        • karol 10.1.4.2

          2 July 2013 at 8:23 am

          Oh my. It’s tempting to out myself with reference to one or two righties that I am related to.

          For the future record, I claim no responsibilities for their/hir opinions or behaviour.
      • Reilly 10.1.5

        4 July 2013 at 4:09 pm

        You must have got lucky in your dealings with the Harawira whanau, Micky.
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8879069/Harawira-nephews-guilty-of-iPod-bashing
        Mind you, I guess he has quite a big family – they can’t all be convicted thugs (although the number is large and growing, from Mummy dearest downwards).
11. vto 11

    1 July 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Well aint this a doozy. The celebrity of a political family is see-sawing – fancy that.

    I see nothing but negative for Hone over this, which is very unfortunate given what he fights for and the principles he expounds.

    The fact that his family so often seek the limelight only compounds the unfortunatism. And Hone’s original act of resolution offer on te tele.

    Then the whole situation goes and doubles up again on itself due to the nature of the crime – chasing and beating a 12-year old boy in his own home. I mean, that is just sick.

    Then tripled on that is, rightly or wrongly, race and the fixation on Maori violent crime and especially child abuse (whether rightly or wrongly). Many will remember Hone on TheVote just couple week ago and wonder how this all goes together.

    It is nothing but a bad bad look and a bad bad reality in light of the above.

    —

    And would Mo have been called Hone’s nephew if Mo had made the front page news for, say, inventing a rocket, or saving an old lady from a runaway train, or some other fine deed? That is surely another question.

    what a fine fine mess

    whats tomorrows noos?
12. QoT 12

    1 July 2013 at 8:35 pm

    This is a serious issue. Don’t you realise Hone Harawira’s nephew’s uncle once called white people mofos in a private email?????
    • Brett Dale 12.1

      1 July 2013 at 8:38 pm

      QOT:

      Im aware of that, are you aware that Hone told the media that he will contact
      the parents and make amends.

      According to an interview of the victim, he hasn’t and they believed he lied.

      Go ahead and watch it for yourself.
      • lprent 12.1.1

        1 July 2013 at 8:43 pm

        Dildo’s of the world unite behind your leader – Brett Dale leads by example….

        As relevant as that story…
        • Brett Dale 12.1.1.1

          1 July 2013 at 8:46 pm

          Hey I would make a great political leader.

          Pro Choice
          Marriage for all
          War only as a last resort.
          Millions invested in boys and girls basketball.
          no gst on veges and milk.

          Thats just for starters.
        • Populuxe1 12.1.1.2

          1 July 2013 at 8:50 pm

          So you produce television news now?
          • lprent 12.1.1.2.1

            2 July 2013 at 9:32 am

            Why would I want to do that? Lyn likes that kind of stuff, but I’m in actual programming rather than advertising.

            I believe I have pointed out that I don’t watch TV anymore. Main reason is because the “news” is mostly not news of any significance, the ads are painful, and there is never anything to watch that is worth my time doing so.

            The “news” is simple minded and is far more dedicated to ratings to sell advertising than information. This is why they tend to do politics as a breathless set of one-liners and pap questions with commentators leaning forward with clasped hands saying stuff that a 17yo politics 101 student would get failed for. Just look at the way that they “analyze” their sparse poll results for instance.

            Why would I waste my time trying to extract information from garbage? I’m sure that if I was interested in the science of titillation then watching TV news in NZ would be worthwhile. In the meantime I just keep digging around with the backend peer to peer news sources and the few halfway decent broadcast media.
            • fender 12.1.1.2.1.1

              2 July 2013 at 10:40 am

              Don’t know what you’re missing 1prent, they have movie adverts/reviews on the “news” these days, apparently it’s vital we are informed about upcoming movies now!
      • Brett Dale 12.1.2

        1 July 2013 at 8:54 pm

        anne

        thenwhythefuckdidhelietothemedia
      • mickysavage 12.1.3

        1 July 2013 at 8:56 pm

        Hi Anne

        I suspect they are a bit backward. You may have to try with

        m e h t h t i w e t a c i n u m m o c o t t o n e c i v d a l a g e l n e v i g y l b a b o r p s a w e n o H
        • QoT 12.1.3.1

          1 July 2013 at 8:58 pm

          Jesus Christ, my EYES, mickey.
          • Brett Dale 12.1.3.1.1

            1 July 2013 at 8:59 pm

            Thats what she said.
            • weka 12.1.3.1.1.1

              1 July 2013 at 9:01 pm

              dude, use the reply button.
              • Brett Dale …

                1 July 2013 at 9:02 pm

                Opps okay next time.
              • weka …

                1 July 2013 at 9:03 pm

                shit
          • mickysavage 12.1.3.1.2

            1 July 2013 at 9:08 pm

            Anne respectfully deleted her post and now mine looks like the ravings of a tin foil hat wearing loon!

            She spelt out the message “Hone was probably given legal advice not to communicate with them” with spaces and I spelt it backward and spaced so that it could be read by someone who is backward …
            • Anne 12.1.3.1.2.1

              1 July 2013 at 9:11 pm

              lolz what a mess.
            • weka 12.1.3.1.2.2

              1 July 2013 at 9:25 pm

              lol, ms, at least your posts are visible. Mine keep disappearing.
            • Chris 12.1.3.1.2.3

              1 July 2013 at 9:38 pm

              oops I wish I hadn’t read that backward written post 🙂
        • Anne 12.1.3.2

          1 July 2013 at 9:03 pm

          In case anyone is wondering what the hell is going on I deleted the original cos it wouldn’t space proper. 😀
        • fender 12.1.3.3

          2 July 2013 at 1:15 pm

          Oh micky your so fine….you’re so fine you blew my EYES….oh micky
      • QoT 12.1.4

        1 July 2013 at 8:57 pm

        Brett Dale:

        Are you aware that I don’t actually care what you think this conversation is about? Because this is what you do every time: pretend to be ~seriously concerned~ about something which just coincidentally derails the thread away from the topic being discussed.

        (Oh, and whinge about how the word mofo is the worst word eveeeeeeeeeeeeer and you are so oppreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesed as a white mofo.)
        • Brett Dale 12.1.4.1

          1 July 2013 at 9:02 pm

          QOT

          Oh please, Im calling up hypocrisy as I see it, If John key’s Nephew did this,
          and Key told the media, he will contact the parents of the victim and he didnt,
          you would be outrage, you would be disgusted, and you know it, dont ya.
          • Populuxe1 12.1.4.1.1

            1 July 2013 at 9:10 pm

            Don’t be silly Brett, QoT doesn’t care about things like assualted children and appropriate reconciliation between the two whanau – that would get in the way of her opportunity to throw shit at you.
            • QoT 12.1.4.1.1.1

              1 July 2013 at 10:28 pm

              🙄
          • QoT 12.1.4.1.2

            1 July 2013 at 10:29 pm

            You’re right. I’d be disgusted that the Prime Minister was inserting himself into a story like this, which would, however intended, politically have every appearance of using his influence and position to make things easier for a relative.

            Of course, that would be a completely different story, wouldn’t it?
            • Brett Dale 12.1.4.1.2.1

              1 July 2013 at 10:43 pm

              QOT:

              Again the parents of the victim are upset at Hone.

              But nice try.
        • Brett Dale 12.1.4.2

          1 July 2013 at 9:05 pm

          QOT:

          The topic being discussed, if you paid attention, is the media bring hone into the story,
          since it was nephew, and im saying if it was john key, they would’ve bought him
          into it also, on top of that you have the parents of the victim being upset with Hone.

          Open the other eye.
        • Brett Dale 12.1.4.3

          1 July 2013 at 9:17 pm

          QOT

          Im not opressed, im depressed about the lack of hoverboards, I just
          dont like hypocrisy, I dont like it when faux news does it, and
          i dont like it when the new zealand media does it, and i certainly
          dont like when bloggers do it.
          • framu 12.1.4.3.1

            2 July 2013 at 8:12 am

            yes hypocrisy sucks – but you do realise that in this case its all based on an accusation youve made in your own mind?
13. weka 13

    1 July 2013 at 9:04 pm

    It’s not working. We seem to have lost the numbered comments.
    • weka 13.1

      1 July 2013 at 9:04 pm

      How weird, are they back now?

      It’s only in this thread as far as I can tell.
14. weka 14

    1 July 2013 at 9:23 pm

    True. The loss of comment numbers and replies to comments as a result of you removing your comment is pretty bad too 😉

    Edit: ug, that was a reply to Anne’s lolz comment below.
    • lprent 14.1

      2 July 2013 at 9:34 am

      Ummm I will have to look at that. It is a bug between two plugins.
15. infused 15

    1 July 2013 at 10:06 pm

    wow. It’s time to add this place to my host file

    127.0.0.1 thestandard.org.nz

    Thought WP would have blocked this post as spam. Just a lame attempt at grabbing google traffic.
    • McFlock 15.1

      1 July 2013 at 10:09 pm

      bye!
16. bad12 16

    1 July 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Theres a little something missing from this post’s comments so far, most of us would call the missing bit ‘the truth’ as seen by a couple of commenters,

    Here is what actually occurred, yes Hone said He would attempt to contact the family of the 12 year old that Hone’s dickhead of a nephew assaulted,

    As Matriarch of the Harawira clan Titewhai has stepped in and put Hone in his place pointing out that that it is Her position to offer utu for Her grandson’s crime on a family to family basis,

    It appears that the offended family of the victim have rebuffed Titewhai’s attempt at establishing some form of restorative justice with the family,

    Why then are they now moaning about Hone not contacting them…
    • Populuxe1 16.1

      1 July 2013 at 10:55 pm

      Got an actual citation for this rather significant piece of information?
      • bad12 16.1.1

        1 July 2013 at 11:16 pm

        Open your f**king eyes, closely followed by doing the same with your mind, that info was broadcast via the same television you have got half the story from,

        Half the story = large knee jerk + rush of red stuff to the head = wrong conclusions…
    • North 16.2

      1 July 2013 at 11:51 pm

      There’s another point. I would be prepared to bet good money that Mau Harawira’s bail terms included a provision prohibiting him from “directly or indirectly” making contact with the complainant or any relative of the complainant.

      I have on many occasions felt obliged to caution family members against making pre-disposition contact with a complainant or his/her family. Lest some callow cop or an understandably distressed victim or victim’s family member take it all wrong and allege a breach of the direct or indirect contact prohibition. In which case the offender is on a hiding to nothing. Off to the slammer Baby.

      I’ve seen family members of offenders, and offenders, just itching to make respectful and remorseful communication but it’s too dangerous. The pig ignorant mouthy know-alls on here like the awesomely so PopuLaxative don’t know and if they did wouldn’t give a damn about that aspect.

      Their essential motivation, trumping their vaunted concern for the kid, is “Get Hone !”. Pigs !
      • Reilly 16.2.1

        4 July 2013 at 4:16 pm

        It is no surprise that many of your family are the subject of complaints, North.
        • karol 16.2.1.1

          4 July 2013 at 4:21 pm

          Reilly, do you have a comprehension problem? Where does North say HIS family members are the ones that were the subject of complaints?
17. Brett Dale 17

    1 July 2013 at 11:10 pm

    goonight.
    “reality is no friend of the dreamer”
18. chris73 18

    1 July 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Actually thats nephews, heres the links:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10894101

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10894035

    If you add in Hones mums convictions for assault it adds up to a nice, charming family
    • marty mars 18.1

      2 July 2013 at 12:25 pm

      They have done more for this country than you and yours could ever do.
19. Tim 19

    2 July 2013 at 12:23 am

    Hone’s NEPHEW of all things! That’s like a 3 degree separation isn’t it?
    I’ve got the same degree of separation from Patrick Gower – that’s if I take the low road
20. Murray Olsen 20

    2 July 2013 at 1:19 am

    Unless there are unforeseen developments, Mana will get my party vote if I’m around for the next election. All the rest of this has no direct relevance.
21. amirite 21

    2 July 2013 at 1:04 pm

    3 years for assault and theft, fair enough.

    Meanwhile, at the rich end of the town:

    Lombard directors sentenced to home detention

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10894317

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