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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98609</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QtR

&lt;blockquote&gt;burt - You must be glad that the EFA extends the period in which prosecutions can be brought against politicans and has harsher penalties.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes and No. Yes becasue the provisions are there - No because they are not likely to ever be used in a court of law. 

What do you think about only warnings being given to the authors of the law who must have understood it  - but flout it? 

What do you think about only warnings being given to the MP&#039;s that voted to enact the law and therefore must have understood it - but flout it? 

What is the point of having laws when they are not enforced ? 

Not even the authors or the MP&#039;s that voted to enact the EFA are expected to follow it - it is meaningless and crooked, an assult on democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QtR</p>
<blockquote><p>burt &#8211; You must be glad that the EFA extends the period in which prosecutions can be brought against politicans and has harsher penalties.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes and No. Yes becasue the provisions are there &#8211; No because they are not likely to ever be used in a court of law. </p>
<p>What do you think about only warnings being given to the authors of the law who must have understood it  &#8211; but flout it? </p>
<p>What do you think about only warnings being given to the MP&#8217;s that voted to enact the law and therefore must have understood it &#8211; but flout it? </p>
<p>What is the point of having laws when they are not enforced ? </p>
<p>Not even the authors or the MP&#8217;s that voted to enact the EFA are expected to follow it &#8211; it is meaningless and crooked, an assult on democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98601</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rOb

I&#039;m not defending Rodney - what part of &quot;he should have been charged&quot; are you missing? 

I&#039;m not saying it was OK, I&#039;m not saying the right thing to do was ignore it because it&#039;s not in ACT&#039;s best interest to do anything.....

Wake up rOb - I&#039;m not going to sink to your level of apologist and you are not going to drag me down there to wallow with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rOb</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not defending Rodney &#8211; what part of &#8220;he should have been charged&#8221; are you missing? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it was OK, I&#8217;m not saying the right thing to do was ignore it because it&#8217;s not in ACT&#8217;s best interest to do anything&#8230;..</p>
<p>Wake up rOb &#8211; I&#8217;m not going to sink to your level of apologist and you are not going to drag me down there to wallow with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lampie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98597</link>
		<dc:creator>Lampie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thought we were discussing horse racing, opps wrong page</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thought we were discussing horse racing, opps wrong page</p>
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		<title>By: Quoth the Raven</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98596</link>
		<dc:creator>Quoth the Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>burt - You must be glad that the EFA extends the period in which prosecutions can be brought against politicans and has harsher penalties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>burt &#8211; You must be glad that the EFA extends the period in which prosecutions can be brought against politicans and has harsher penalties.</p>
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		<title>By: r0b</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98593</link>
		<dc:creator>r0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Are you voting for Labour, Green&#039;s, NZ1, Jolly Jim or Peter Dunne?  If so you are voting for a party that voted to give itself a get out of jail free card  &lt;/i&gt;

You continue to wilfully lie about this Burt.  Disappointing.  No party got a get out of jail free card on anything.

&lt;i&gt; The best you can do is be like rOb and laugh at me for being a little bit partisan &lt;/i&gt;

&quot;A little bit partisan&quot; - that&#039;s cute!  Burt, you&#039;re as partisan as any here.  You have spent years viciously attacking the misdeeds of politicians on the left, while ignoring National (&quot;not my party&quot;) and now ACT (&quot;others did it too!&quot;).  So let&#039;s have an end to your attempts to claim that you want to hold all politicians to the same standards, because clearly you do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Are you voting for Labour, Green&#8217;s, NZ1, Jolly Jim or Peter Dunne?  If so you are voting for a party that voted to give itself a get out of jail free card  </i></p>
<p>You continue to wilfully lie about this Burt.  Disappointing.  No party got a get out of jail free card on anything.</p>
<p><i> The best you can do is be like rOb and laugh at me for being a little bit partisan </i></p>
<p>&#8220;A little bit partisan&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s cute!  Burt, you&#8217;re as partisan as any here.  You have spent years viciously attacking the misdeeds of politicians on the left, while ignoring National (&#8220;not my party&#8221;) and now ACT (&#8220;others did it too!&#8221;).  So let&#8217;s have an end to your attempts to claim that you want to hold all politicians to the same standards, because clearly you do not.</p>
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		<title>By: yl</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98573</link>
		<dc:creator>yl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha burt,

we just seem to be looking at things from two difference sides of the fence.

You think the labour party personally waited for 6 months before saying anything, 

who&#039;s to say that Rodney didnt know and was waiting 6 months himself.

like HS said earlier, we tend to back our own team</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha burt,</p>
<p>we just seem to be looking at things from two difference sides of the fence.</p>
<p>You think the labour party personally waited for 6 months before saying anything, </p>
<p>who&#8217;s to say that Rodney didnt know and was waiting 6 months himself.</p>
<p>like HS said earlier, we tend to back our own team</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98572</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yl

Compare Winston&#039;s behaviour vs Rodney&#039;s behaviour. You guess which one had something to hide. (no pun intended) 

Do you think Labour knew about ACT&#039;s rent debacle and sat on the info for 6 months because they had a vested interest in keeping it quiet ?  

Now get digging into ACT&#039;s accounts, see if you can find secret donors who have received special policy considerations. If you can I&#039;ll join you marching on parliament to get them sacked before they retrospectively validate themselves and I&#039;ll give my vote to the Maori party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yl</p>
<p>Compare Winston&#8217;s behaviour vs Rodney&#8217;s behaviour. You guess which one had something to hide. (no pun intended) </p>
<p>Do you think Labour knew about ACT&#8217;s rent debacle and sat on the info for 6 months because they had a vested interest in keeping it quiet ?  </p>
<p>Now get digging into ACT&#8217;s accounts, see if you can find secret donors who have received special policy considerations. If you can I&#8217;ll join you marching on parliament to get them sacked before they retrospectively validate themselves and I&#8217;ll give my vote to the Maori party.</p>
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		<title>By: yl</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98558</link>
		<dc:creator>yl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burt,

thanks for clearing up that &#039;still&#039; comment.  I read it differently the first time, i can see where you are coming from now.

so you are not pissed about Winnie breaking the law.

you just don&#039;t believe that he didn&#039;t know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burt,</p>
<p>thanks for clearing up that &#8216;still&#8217; comment.  I read it differently the first time, i can see where you are coming from now.</p>
<p>so you are not pissed about Winnie breaking the law.</p>
<p>you just don&#8217;t believe that he didn&#8217;t know?</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98553</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yl

&lt;blockquote&gt;As in, if i still defend Rodney after  because he uses the word still it implies that he is currently defending his integrity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be the integrity that said - Yes we got it wrong....  Remember that way back up thread... Rodney admitted ACT had made a stuff up - no &quot;NO&quot; signs and no accusation of media beatup etc....

So yes I&#039;m defending his integrity that he can admit a mistake. I know Labour never admit anything so perhaps you can&#039;t understand how I see this. There was no cover up and no additional lies to pretend it never happened. He stopped digging and didn&#039;t blame everybody else for his stuff up. He didn&#039;t scream it&#039;s unfair because others did it too.    

Nothing Rodney has done even comes close to Winston&#039;s constant BS claims and lies.  But all that aside - in a perfect world they would both be charged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yl</p>
<blockquote><p>As in, if i still defend Rodney after  because he uses the word still it implies that he is currently defending his integrity.</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be the integrity that said &#8211; Yes we got it wrong&#8230;.  Remember that way back up thread&#8230; Rodney admitted ACT had made a stuff up &#8211; no &#8220;NO&#8221; signs and no accusation of media beatup etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>So yes I&#8217;m defending his integrity that he can admit a mistake. I know Labour never admit anything so perhaps you can&#8217;t understand how I see this. There was no cover up and no additional lies to pretend it never happened. He stopped digging and didn&#8217;t blame everybody else for his stuff up. He didn&#8217;t scream it&#8217;s unfair because others did it too.    </p>
<p>Nothing Rodney has done even comes close to Winston&#8217;s constant BS claims and lies.  But all that aside &#8211; in a perfect world they would both be charged.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98552</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Hoolian. According to your definition, if National only gets a plurality, not a majority, they won&#039;t have the automatic right to rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Hoolian. According to your definition, if National only gets a plurality, not a majority, they won&#8217;t have the automatic right to rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pilott</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98548</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pilott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, crap guys, it&#039;s all over.  Hoolian has defined Democracy to suit himself, I&#039;ve got no answer to that.  Does any one else?

Any other Edicts you&#039;d like to Inform us of, your worthiness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, crap guys, it&#8217;s all over.  Hoolian has defined Democracy to suit himself, I&#8217;ve got no answer to that.  Does any one else?</p>
<p>Any other Edicts you&#8217;d like to Inform us of, your worthiness?</p>
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		<title>By: Hoolian</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98545</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoolian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democracy is rule by the majority - not the majority cut up into smaller pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democracy is rule by the majority &#8211; not the majority cut up into smaller pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: yl</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98529</link>
		<dc:creator>yl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hs,

&#039;What disturbs me most about politics in NZ is that many people have their &quot;side&#039; who they&#039;ll back no matter what&#039;

I agree, we see this happening in the blogs all the time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hs,</p>
<p>&#8216;What disturbs me most about politics in NZ is that many people have their &#8220;side&#8217; who they&#8217;ll back no matter what&#8217;</p>
<p>I agree, we see this happening in the blogs all the time</p>
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		<title>By: higherstandard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98519</link>
		<dc:creator>higherstandard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burt - it is indeed the twilight zone.

What disturbs me most about politics in NZ is that many people have their &quot;side&quot; who they&#039;ll back no matter what.

In my opinion all politicians should be treated with a very large dollop of suspicion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burt &#8211; it is indeed the twilight zone.</p>
<p>What disturbs me most about politics in NZ is that many people have their &#8220;side&#8221; who they&#8217;ll back no matter what.</p>
<p>In my opinion all politicians should be treated with a very large dollop of suspicion.</p>
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		<title>By: yl</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/horse-racing/comment-page-2/#comment-98516</link>
		<dc:creator>yl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>burt,

&quot;Don&#039;t lecture me on double standards while you are supporting any of these parties, you have no moral high ground. The best you can do is be like rOb and laugh at me for being a little bit partisan while you have made a committment [sic] to being an apologist.&quot;

so if i say i vote national then i can lecture you on double standards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>burt,</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t lecture me on double standards while you are supporting any of these parties, you have no moral high ground. The best you can do is be like rOb and laugh at me for being a little bit partisan while you have made a committment [sic] to being an apologist.&#8221;</p>
<p>so if i say i vote national then i can lecture you on double standards</p>
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