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I, Vipertacus

Written By: - Date published: 10:28 pm, December 8th, 2012 - 190 comments
Categories: democracy under attack, democratic participation, The Standard - Tags:

Just wanted to say, seeing so many of the regulars change their name in honour of Colonial Viper is awesome. That tells me this is a real community. We discuss, argue, fight, and we respect. We’re not like the disgrace of an MP who has hounded CV into silence because she can’t handle honest criticism (and she’s not just a disgrace for that – she’s the first Labour MP in the history of her seat to let it go blue). Proud of you lot for standing beside our own against a bully.

190 comments on “I, Vipertacus”

  1. Visubversaviper 1

    I have been bullied before in the Labour Party, but always by the loosing side!

  2. the sprout, coronial piper 2

    Agreed Zet. Great to see the real left standing up against the rogernome retread hijackers currently running the Labour caucus.

    My friends were heavied in an attempt to intimidate me to stop posting during the leadership contest between Shearer and Cunliffe. Clearly someone in Wellington didn’t like me saying their pony was a rightwing puppet who couldn’t lead a party to save himself. Despite me only stating the obvious, it spurred a pretty awful and nasty intimidation campaign. They knew the people being threatened weren’t me, but they knew too that doing that to my friends would quieten me. How shitty North-Korean is that?

    So far it’s been CV, millsy, Peter Wilson, and me – that I know of – but who knows who else has been leaned on to shut up?

    Here are some more eloquent comments from other leftwing bloggers on the jaw dropping stupidity of some in the caucus (and the rest of the caucus that doesn’t stop it and thereby tacitly endorses it):

    http://ideologicallyimpure.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/i-thought-no-one-read-blogs-anyway/
    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/gagging-membership.html
    http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/labour-to-censor-mps-from-blogosphere.html
    http://www.recessmonkey.org.nz/2012/12/07/stopwhinging/

    This shit really has to stop or the whole caucus will be on the receiving end of a no-win escalation.

    • QoTViper 2.1

      Sprout posts links so I don’t have to look egotistical. Ta! :)

    • David Viperious H 2.2

      Well there you go now, you labourite traitorous witch, now you have enough Vipers, to keep you busy for a while. And you do know how dangerous a nest of Vipers is. Don’t you?

    • Craig Glen viper 2.3

      I was leaned on by Mr Robertson via one member who we are not allowed to talk about because he’s been naughty he voted for members to have more of a say in the Labour Party leadership.

  3. ColonialPete 3

    It’s a shocking state of affairs. Who the bloody hell does she think she is?

  4. Zorrviper 4

    Ah, so that is what it has been all about…

    CV shouldn’t be put through that at all

    Also, New Zealand, I’m going to miss you. I’m not going anywhere but another term under these NActoids will make you virtually unrecognizable to me and the Labour party are proving just how much they are striving to lose…

  5. Copperhead 5

    Right, time for me to start really writing and blogging myself. I welcome any politician and/or their flunkies to try to bully me, in fact, I almost look forward to it :) It would seem to me, that whoever is calling the shots in the Labour party is failing to get any synapses to fire. The entire caucus seems to open there mouths to change feet.

    Kia Kaha Tangata, they need us more than we need them, somehow some have forgotten this and will have to be reminded gently, loudly and as often as possible! Night folks.

  6. fender/same sentiment less eloquent Viper 6

    Yes it’s great the way people have rallied in support of CV and free speech for all. And some of the names thought up are brilliant, I like Vindow Viper especially.

    Hope this blows up in “her” face like “she” never expected, but seriously who in their right mind would attempt such a vile witch hunt? Can’t be anyone worth having in a NZ parliament, “she” should come clean and apologise or be sent packing.

    • Odds on that nice Mr Shearer doing anything about it?

      • QoTViper 6.1.1

        Hey now, it’s not like displaying a complete lack of interest in criticism or debate or understanding of how the internet works could damage the party. Not the way a trumped-up media-created logistically-impossible leadership challenge could. No discipline necessary.

      • fender/same sentiment less eloquent Viper 6.1.2

        About as likely as hearing him say something without the awkward stumbling of a toddler?

  7. Rhinoviper 7

    Well I, not being a Labour party member, have nothing to lose, so I enjoy a certain freedom to say that I am quite astonished – not at the audacity, the cruelty, the authoritarianism, but the sheer bloody stupidity of Curran, someone I already knew was not not quite the sharpest tool in the shed full of blunt instruments.

    How the Hell did she delude herself into thinking that this wouldn’t get out? This is the member delegated to deal with social media and, well, as Talleyrand said, her behaviour is not only wrong, it is is a mistake, and if she can’t comprehend how withering such a criticism might be, then…

    Sorry, I’m going to need surgery to remove my palm from my face. It’s almost as dumb as something Mallard might do (and I know that this is not the first time that she has shown herself to be an utter incompetent when it comes to understanding the web).

    The blogs could be Labour’s strongest tool, and yet they think this Internet fad thingy is just going to go away or can be “managed” somehow.

    Words fail me – really – how can anyone be so stubbornly thick ?

    What century do these fools inhabit?

    Anyway, since I’m sure that this metaphor will come up soon, King Canute did indeed stage a demonstration at the seaside in which he ordered the rising tide to retreat. However, the real king did so to demonstrate to his sycophantic courtiers that no-one, not even a king, could command tides.

    There’s a lesson in that, Curran, Mallard, Goff, King, Robertson and Shearer, and all your Mini-Me’s like Hipkins.

    • rosy viper 7.1

      but the sheer bloody stupidity of Curran

      But. Is it [only] Curran? Doesn’t this suggest a different Shearer groupie?

      she’s the first Labour MP in the history of her seat to let it go blue

      • Rhinoviper 7.1.1

        I agree absolutely.

        I merely pointed out that one more idiot was making one more fuck up.

        If there’s one thing, one slogan to deliver, it is this, and it should be repeated to the Labour caucus at every opportunity every time they screw up, every time they are asleep at the wheel – which means all the time:

        YOU CALL YOURSELVES OUR REPRESENTATIVES. YOU WORK FOR US – REMEMBER THAT. YOU ARE DELEGATED TO WORK FOR US AND WE DESERVE BETTER

    • Copperhead 7.2

      +1

      • Colon Viper 7.2.1

        +2

        • Copperhead 7.2.1.1

          +6 for your new name, very creative.

          • viperidae 7.2.1.1.1

            +2

            The viper formerly known as KJT.

            I found out how important anonymity was when POAL heavied my employer after I posted about the fuckup that is POAL, in another blog, under my real name.

            Also years ago when I was on a US oil rig opposing the removal of cabotage.
            I will always be grateful to the American toolpusher, who refused to sack me for my politics, even though he did not agree with them.

            Fortunately my current employer works well with unions, and had no problem with me, but that is not always the case.

            I no longer think that the current Labour caucus are different enough from National to be worth getting them in.

            It may be better to let National, and the current Labour caucus, fuckup, another three years so we actually get a Government that believes in democracy (even if it is only the travesty called representative democracy) and free speech. Let them fuckup so badly that we start to demand real democracy and real rights to protest without being heavied.

            At present I cannot see any other answer.

            Instead of attacking National’s reverting to authoritarian dictatorship, Labour are joining it!

            • NoseViper (The Nose knows) 7.2.1.1.1.1

              viperidae 7.2 1 1 1
              Leave the present political shower to fight over the leavings of our country and then we come in after and try and fix?? There has already been much lost that we hold dear in our democracy. Another three years, we just might be left with the bare boards of a warehouse empty of valuable society-building and maintaining policies and further we’ll find we’re under surveillance to ensure that we can’t get capacity to attempt a reinstall of the good stuff.

              There are numbers of political tools that can be used against the people’s best interests in a democracy. Look at the other democracies ‘real’ and sham. It’s hard to tell which is which sometimes. Democracy is just a vehicle for running the country and needs constant checking and oversight to keep it running right. We’ve found sadly, that you can’t take your eyes off the road without damage.

              We have had our system badly overhauled by neo lib contractors with no commitment to the clients, the stakeholders, the people, except themselves and their next payoff. What’s left of our precious must be fought for. They don’t make them like this any more.

    • David Viperious H 7.3

      “There’s a lesson in that, Curran, Mallard, Goff, King, Robertson and Shearer, and all your Mini-Me’s like Hipkins.”

      The Lesson is that they don’t get back in. And we get some people who actually know how to turn on and use a Computer. Who, if really pushed can actually string words together, to make things called sentences.

  8. Neoleftie Viper 8

    Clare is caucus sec and rep to council so she is the front person on this and spokesperson for ITC logic would place her at the front of this issue within the power clique.

    Context Clare has said some unusual statement over the last few years even posting on whale oil etc.

    I think this is a witch hunt to silence dissent within the ranks, limit freedom of speech and opinions and stop the power balancing shift to the members and is out to protect the great leader. After all the clique have a plan to win the election.

    First cunliffe, then left active bloggers, who next I wonder. Couldn’t they just take it to the Tories and do the job we demand of them. They represent us after all.

    Words have power after all, I wonder what deeds and real actions could do.

  9. R 9

    Honestly, if you pay membership fees or vote as part of that crew you’re condoning the bullying treatment they’ve handed out to your mate. Disgusting. Anyone who thinks they can effect change by remaining a member of that party is now tarred with the bullies’ brush.

    • bill-viper-browne 9.1

      Bullshit,

      I just renewed my membership as the only way, if we get a chance in Feb, of pushing these bastards out.

      • AkldASP 9.1.1

        I call bullshit on that as well – my membership is there for the same reasons it’s always been which has nothing to do with the bullying of bloggers, as b-v-b said Feb will give us the chance to remove the leadership and any soft right leaning policy shifts the party may be heading toward.

    • Tree Viper 9.2

      You cannot defend the indefensible (bullying internally or externally) and those causing the bullying need to ask themselves what do they expect to gain from silencing and bullying members just because they do not agree with the leadership of the Labour party?

  10. Neoleftie Hidden Viper 10

    The first viper to post at red alert

    I propose we show solidarity and swamp red alert with the innocent comments.
    Come on I cry rise rise up the Viper Army.

    • Viper73 10.1

      I would but I’ve been (cue irony) banned…

      • rosy viper 10.1.1

        haha that’s too funny!. Well done (but I’m guessing it didn’t take much to be banned from there).

        Sorry Neoleftie, I won’t post on RA. I hear the sysop is a bit dodgy on the privacy side of things… just a rumour ;-)

      • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 10.1.2

        They deleted the post.
        Very innocuous post agreeing with the post.
        Oh well at least they have my email address and full name now.
        Every work day I look out at Clare office….funniest thing ever is design of office, a small hatch slide window is access for the people, not open at all.
        A walled off outpost in a sea of desperate people that is South D where Clare when she is there can look out the glass walls and see…what I wonder…her reflection.

        Still I am a double ticker call me thicker than water if you may or feb

        • Just viping 10.1.2.1

          You gonna call in at her next clinic?

          • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 10.1.2.1.1

            Good idea,
            “free CV” badge and t shirt.
            What do you think…time for some accountability. All part of reconnecting to the electorate and base members.

    • Colonial Weka 10.2

      People need to be aware of the risks of posting at Red Alert
       
      http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-07122012/comment-page-1/#comment-559704

    • mike e vipee 10.3

      a viper pit

  11. SouthDeezViper 11

    Can anyone please give me some more detail of what’s happened here?

    I’ve been coming here on a regular basis for a few years now and, although I rarely post anything, I often find the comments to be more stimulating than the article they’re attached to. By no means is this to suggest that I find the articles to be ill informed nor poorly written, or whatever, but that statement is a testament to how illuminating I find much of the debate that takes place on this blog. For example, I’m currently taking a Bachelor of Social Work, and I’ve trawled through here on several occasions looking for ideas when I’ve had assignments due that covered social policy. Especially so when I’ve wanted to check for some well-crafted musings on neoliberal welfare discourse, the social effects of free-market policies, and general critiques of capitalism.

    Anyway, one of the names that has always stuck out for me here is Colonial Viper. Admittedly, I didn’t always agree with the dude, but I most definitely always took the time to read through what he had to say if he was discussing a topic of interest for me. I don’t really know what else to say other than, this is fucking bullshit.

    Kia Kaha CV

  12. Jenny 12

    All the signs are that the Shearer gang still have the numbers in caucus to prevent a membership vote in February.

    They have achieved this by using the current rules, threatening to demote any MP who dares stand up to them.

    I thought that this would remain the current state of affairs up to and past February.

    And that’s where it would have ended. The membership may have been disgruntled but would have still got behind caucus come the election.

    However this latest effort to crush democracy inside the Labour Party that has so incensed people, makes me wonder if the Shearer gang has gone to far.

    There is no doubt that the Shearer gang controls caucus. But now that they are determined to reach down into the lower ranks to exert their authority, (that is barely legitimate), they may have started something they cannot stop.

    That is, a will from the membership to have their way. Against the minority of caucus that seek to frustrate that will. The ABCs did it in the original selection for leader and they did it again by demoting Cunliffe from any responsible role post conference. And they intend to continue to frustrate the membership desire for change come February……..

    Unless…….. the membership are so upset they choose to go to defcon 1, and react to caucus threats with threats of an organised membership strike against any MP that overrides the wishes of their LEC and votes with the Shearer gang.

    So all bets are off.

    And there is still a chance that the current leadership could be overturned come February and a more left leaning caucus united by a forceful, tested and experienced leader could see the Nats and Key facing a real and determined opposition party.

    • Colon Viper 12.1

      If they are being bullied into keeping quiet, it just shows what a gutless bunch of lackeys they are then…..

      • Grant Hay 12.1.1

        What kind person stops posting their passionately held opinions just because a chinless wonder in the Labour hierarchy goes on a “witch-hunt”. They dont actually burn witches any more and the ruling faction doesn’t have the powers of a witch-finder pursuivant. If Labour’s activist base is more concerned with membership of a dysfunctional party which ceased representing the working class decades ago, rather than the right to freedom of expression, then there truly is no hope for reclaiming the party from the clique that hijacked it in the first place.

    • Colonial Weka 12.2

      Karol, that deserves a post of its own. For instance, why do you think that the ABCs have the numbers? If they only won by 1 or 2 votes last year, have so many MPs shifted that the 60% +1 threshold is a given?
       
      Also, an explanation of how things work at the local level would be useful eg the relationship between the LEC and the electorate MP (what about the list MPs?). And isn’t the vote confidential, so how would the members know who voted which way?  Or is that an open secret?

      • karol 12.2.1

        Weka, I think your reply and questions are for Jenny, not me.

      • Jenny 12.2.2

        ……why do you think that the ABCs have the numbers? If they only won by 1 or 2 votes last year, have so many MPs shifted that the 60% +1 threshold is a given?

        Colonial Weka

        David Shearer appears to be weighing up his options for deputy prime minister between Green co-leader Russel Norman and NZ First leader Winston Peters as he looks for ways to reward support partners without letting go of the key finance portfolio.

        Vernon Small

        IMO It is also through his power over appointments and demotions that Shearer is threatening, or rewarding members of the Labour Party caucus.

  13. Adele Te Viper 13

    I used to enjoy commenting on another site called Aocafe. The site was a host for Māori opinions and dissent. The site also attracted a great deal of expert commentary on various aspects of Te Ao Māori, the Māori worldview. Much like this site it was very much a community of diverse peoples – coming together to debate issues far-ranging and wide of particular importance to whānau, hapū and community.

    The site dissappeared from the netscape when Police siezed its servers as part of the Urerewa raids. Until that time I never thought it possible to miss people you have never met, or miss something that never was. Aocafe was an important contributor to the Māori body politic.

    The Standard is an important part of the political scape of this country. Absolutely, we must stand against those that would seek to silence its voice or erase its effectiveness at exposing the incompetence and immorality of the government and its opposition counterpart.

    • Saarbo 13.1

      Adele, I assume the Blog never got up and running again? The Urerewa raids are clearly a case of where police power was out of control. Being from the Eastern BOP and knowing a number of people from Ruatoki and Taneatua, who know Tame well, are absolutely adamant that there is no way these guys were doing what they have been allegedly sent to jail for. 

      The relevance of this in terms of this particular post is when people are in powerful positions (Police, Caucus members, who ever) they need to treat it with respect, I would have hoped that Labour Party caucus members would be the last group that would abuse power. I’m absolutely  comfortable that my Labour party rep has integrity and would not abuse her power but clearly other caucus members have issues. 

      • Adele Te Viper 13.1.1

        Tēnā koe, Saarbo

        You assume correctly, Aocafe was never able to relaunch itself back onto the web. I am also from the Eastern Bay of Plenty and also share the view that there is no way that Tame and the others were ever intending to harm other human beings.

        I think we share the same Labour MP and I agree that she has integrity in spades. I do however think that it is possible for a person of integrity to support something inherently wrong because they lack sufficient depth and breadth of analysis – the very reason why the dissenting voice is invaluable to decision-making. The dissenter provides the counter-argument and an astute and noble leader would rather cultivate the dissenting voice than seek to cull it.

  14. kiwi_prometheus 14

    “There is no doubt that the Shearer gang controls caucus. But now that they are determined to reach down into the lower ranks to exert their authority”

    Yeah they are trying to root out the source of the trouble making and get some discipline back amongst the rank and file.

    You lot would do THE EXACT SAME THING if the tables were turned.

    I think the Listener summed it up nicely:

    http://www.listener.co.nz/current-affairs/politics/david-cunliffe-shearer-coup-history/

    “For all that [ Cunliffe's ] supporters, inside and outside the caucus, are insisting that he did nothing wrong, he really and truly did the coupster’s equivalent of waving his knickers at disembarking sailors. He followed several of the bog-standard, by-the-numbers steps taught in Coups 101, to the point that he might have studied at the knee of Maurice Williamson, Brian Connell or Richard Prebble…

    …his failure, as party finance spokesman last election, to produce his policy work on time and to do sufficient heavy lifting on the campaign trail. At one crucial point, he even went on holiday. Either he was lazy, or was deliberately being unhelpful, colleagues fumed…most concluded the latter: that he had deduced that Labour would lose quite badly (admittedly not a daring conclusion) and had decided to assist Phil Goff’s image of weakness by not helping too much…when an MP as olde-worlde courteous and decent as Goff goes openly dog on you, it’s time to reflect.”

    LOL.

    And you ninnies are now wailing about the purging being undertaken by the top brass.

    Anyway you can go join the Greens, so its not like you will be left homeless.

    • Jenny Kirk 14.1

      Come on Kiwi Prom – look who is writing that tripe in the Listener. Non other than the latest hand-holder of the drake Mallard. I watched Cunliffe at election time : he was superb with a low income, state housing audience in the north. He didn’t talk down to them, they understood him – and they wanted more ! Its a pity the rightwing caucus are so blind that they cannot see what they’re losing.

      • Draco T Bastard 14.1.1

        Its a pity the rightwing caucus are so blind that they cannot see what they’re losing.

        And that’s your answer right there. We see it from National and Act all the time when they absolutely refuse to see the evidence that their policies and beliefs are contrary to reality.

      • Grant Hay 14.1.2

        “Come on Kiwi Prom – look who is writing that tripe in the Listener. Non other than the latest hand-holder of the drake Mallard.”

        HANDHOLDER (snort)!! I thought she was holding his…….speechnotes……..

    • Draco T Bastard 14.2

      Yeah they are trying to root out the source of the trouble making and get some discipline back amongst the rank and file.

      It’s not caucuses place to discipline the rank and file. The caucus works for the rank and file and so it should be the rank and file that does any disciplining that needs doing.

      You lot would do THE EXACT SAME THING if the tables were turned.

      Nope, I’d be asking why the rank and file think I’m doing something wrong and either change what I’m doing or step down. That really is the only two options an MP has.

    • Saarbo 14.3

      when an MP as olde-worlde courteous and decent as Goff goes openly dog on you, it’s time to reflect.””

      or maybe Goff was looking for a scape goat for his below par performance, he simply did not get the facts together to support his Policy. The sad thing is that Shearer looks very similar when discussing the new Housing Policy…who does Shearer blame? They need to take responsibility for their own hopelessness. 

      You only have to view Mood of The Boardroom performance by Cunliffe to see his form in Nov 2011. 

  15. Fucking awesome! Way to go Standardistas. You may lead the revolution yet!

  16. colonial locus 16

    You lot would do THE EXACT SAME THING if the tables were turned

    From your ill-considered use of the phrase “you lot” it appears that you blithely assume the wide array of TS contributors supporting CV and others in the face of bullying – actually it’s more akin to blackmail – are all Labour Party rank and file.

    The issue you need to get your head around is that the people you are superciliously talking down to and calling “you lot”, represent many who value freedom to debate under a pseudonym on the web.

  17. Viperous Descendant Of Smith 17

    Til this happened I had little interest in the leadership of the Labour Party. For me I was waiting for some left wing policy to emerge – I even proffered the sorts of policies I would welcome – a decent increase in benefit rates, a commitment to an 8 hour working week (you know that thing the pretend to be Labour Party is so proud of on their website), a increase in taxation for people like me who can afford it, strengthening union members powers including the right to strike, etc.

    After the increased powers given to members I seriously considered for the first time joining the Labour Party and not just voting for it. I held off knowing one swallow a summer does not make.

    I’ve managed teams where I have had people undermining the team. In my experience engaging with them, particularly when you know deep down they are there because they care, is the most effective strategy. It’s a people focussed strategy that doesn’t treat the dissenter as a human resource. It also means that sometimes you find out that you the boss aren’t always right or on the same wavelength as your staff. You cannot order someone to willingly follow.

    It takes a bit more time and takes a bit more effort and doesn’t guarantee success but is successful more often than not but importantly builds a stronger more committed team over time.

    Why am I now interested in the leadership – because such an approach and the alternative of forced compliance can only come from the person running the team.

    If you can’t bring people who are committed to good things for the ordinary working people onside and I have no doubt from his postings CV does – those who know him personally and within the Labour Party would have a much better idea than I.

    Forcing compliance and silence is not the answer here.

    It will be interesting to me then how Shearer responds. Will we see a backdown, an acknowledgement that the party got this wrong and that Shearer will personally engage with those who are being pushed out of the way and marginalised?

    Will he alternatively come out and explain why they have taken the position they have and why the Labour Party needs to do this?

    Or will we just hear zilch from him while minions behind the scenes carry out his bidding, putting their own twists on it like prison camp commanders or southern Texas sheriffs.

    But me I’m just a voter commenting on a blog. Apparently I’m not read and I don’t count.

    Btw Isn’t

    • Viperous Descendant Of Smith 17.1

      BTW Isn’t Shearer supposed to be good at solving problems between warring factions?

      PS I won’t sooty any politician who suppresses anyone’s freedom of speech

      • Viperous Descendant Of Smith 17.1.1

        Support not sooty big fingers little ipad

        • George Viper. 17.1.1.1


          I was waiting for some left wing policy to emerge – I even proffered the sorts of policies I would welcome – a decent increase in benefit rates, a commitment to an 8 hour working week (you know that thing the pretend to be Labour Party is so proud of on their website), a increase in taxation for people like me who can afford it, strengthening union members powers including the right to strike, etc.

          THIS. These are the questions I ask Labour MPs when I see them. “Do you support compulsory overtime for a person working more than 8 hours in one day, or 40 hours in one week?” If they cannot give me an unadulterated and unqualified yes, then I don’t really have anything more to ask them.

          Though I’m a Green member, and my identity is pretty transparent (its only function is to sidestep Google, not who I am), I’m still very concerned by this. And rather outraged by the way in which those I know are being marched towards “managed democracy”. Good luck to you all.

    • viperidae 17.2

      This is why I finally decided that Shearer was absolutely hopeless as a leader.

      I had no particular brief for Cunliffe or any other Labour politician, but he has proved to be the most effective one they have.

      A leader finds a way to keep people working together for the goals.

      The present leadership hasn’t got a clue.

      In fact the whole of our Parliament at the moment shows why we cannot leave running the country to that bunch of clowns and why we need binding referenda, and recalls!

    • Jenny 17.3

      After the increased powers given to members I seriously considered for the first time joining the Labour Party and not just voting for it. I held off knowing one swallow a summer does not make.

      Viperous Descendant Of Smith

      Me too.

      I even considered letting them see my
      CV.

      But after this development I would feel that I was back in Syria.

      Luckily I have got away (again) my honour and anonymity intact.

    • Saarbo 17.4

      I agree with you whole heartedly!!! This is exactly what I would expect an experienced Leader to do. Shearer’s leadership style is simply not suited as Leader of a major political party, and I cannot see for the life of me  how anyone could think that he has what it takes to Lead Labour to victory in 2014. I wouldn’t be surprised if Curran didn’t pass this in front of Shearer before she started down this path, clearly under Shearer there is a huge void in leadership and the caucus (Shearer’s mob) are free to do what they want. 

      I’m a relatively new member and I am incredibly disappointed at how Labour is operated. In my view it comes back to Leadership. For example, at the conference I would have expected Shearer to open the Conf on both Sat and Sun, he should have rallied the Caucus members, let a few of them say a few words, just create a bridge between the members and caucus, instead the caucus members wondered around randomly and there was just a lack of connection. 

       If you can’t bring people who are committed to good things for the ordinary working people onside and I have no doubt from his postings CV does – those who know him personally and within the Labour Party would have a much better idea than I.
       
      You have nailed it VDOS, great leaders rarely use their formal power, and that is the problem with this lot in Caucus, they have the formal power to do what they are doing but in doing so, they are losing  a group of members who are probably the most passionate and committed.

      Shearer is not the answer, nor is it any of his ABC supporters in Caucus. This group have done a lot of damage, they have created a big divide within Labour. I am sure that many of the ABC’ers have managed to convince their LEC/Branches that Cunliffe is evil (as we witnessed at the Conf) and Shearer is the answer but the free thinking/cleverer members can see the situation for what it is worth. Keeping Shearer at the helm is handing power to National in 2014.

      The situation in Labour is not flash, we have a below average leader, we have a caucus who are leaderless and out of control, trying to exert what ever power they can get a hold of. We have a proven/outstanding MP who only has the support of 12 of his caucus members however has the majority membership support. 

      I dont know what the answer is,  but I do know that who ever becomes Leader in the future she/he needs to take some advice from Viperous Descendant of Smith…because that is the only way this faction issue is going to be mended.

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  19. karol thrace viper 19

    What an ugly place the Labour Party caucus has become!  And in doing it, they are becoming everything they were set up to oppose.
     
    I will continue to vote Green (or vote Mana).  Unfortunately, any Labour led government will likely contaminate it’s support partner with its undemocratic and dictatorial practices.  Unless the Labour Party can be turned to a better course, the future of NZ’s political landscape is bleak.
     
    I made a comment or two yesterday about how the Labour caucus has become the Menz Party – they have been sucked into the NAct agenda, and are making the main battlefield the economy, and between alpha males.  Now we see there are at least a couple of women acting behind the scenes to support suich a macho-caucus front.  What a disgrace! 
     
    There are plenty of competent women in the Labour and Green Party caucus. Some, along with some men, ARE working on very important policies for struggling and low income kiwis.  I’m sorry to see such efforts marginalised.
     
    I’ve never been a member of any political party, and my work life is drawing to an end.  I will continue to post and comment on any failings I see in opposition parties.  And I certainly won’t stop writing about the disgrace the Labour Party caucus has become.
     
    All this has happened before, and it will happen again.

    • David Viperious H 19.1

      Something along the lines of Power corrupting and Absolute power yada yada you get what I mean. But why are they so scared of little ol’ us???

  20. karol thrace viper 20

    And from Bomber, viperously this morning:

    The censorship of members dissent in this manner is a new low by Labour post their character assassination of Cunliffe. …

    I’m not sure this ruthless level of intimidation will do anything other than provoke a long running online guerrilla campaign by left wing activists savaging Shearer on a weekly basis all the way to the election. 

    It seems Shearer has replaced Pagani with a kamikaze pilot for a political advisor. 

    The only winners from this kind of behavior are the Greens and MANA. 

    • Colonial Weka 20.1

      I’m not sure this ruthless level of intimidation will do anything other than provoke a long running online guerrilla campaign by left wing activists savaging Shearer on a weekly basis all the way to the election.
      - Bomber
       

      Interesting phrasing, because I’ve been thinking about the comparisons between the Labour party membership/left wing blogosphere and guerrilla/freedom fighters. And how the ABCs don’t realise they’re fighting a war that that can never win.

  21. Wayne 21

    Karol,

    If you and others here keep saying “I will continue to vote Green”, don’t be surprised if the leadership wants you out. Having said that of course I have no idea if you are a member of the LP, so my comment is not actually directed to you. More an observation of how parties work.

    So therefore if I was in a party and some of the members were fomenting “trouble”and saying they were going to vote for another party, I would want them out of positions or responsibility, say electorate secretary or on an electorate executive, and I would organise to get that outcome.

    • karol thrace viper 21.1

      Wayne, as I’ve always said, I’ve never been a member of a political party – not the NZ Labour Party or any other.  If they start taking repressive action against people like me, they truly show they are anti-democratic.

      • Wayne 21.1.1

        As indeed they cannot, which of course you know. Party rules can only apply to Party members, but as a general rule no major party would allow office holders to state they will vote for another party and that person to then continue in office. The proper course is to resign. Parties might be voluntary organisations, but they can have rules applying to their members.

    • David Viperious H 21.2

      It looks like they want to purge this nest of vipers from the party’s books. Gotta rig the Feb vote somehow. Won’t win the Election tho’ as they will have very little help. Will be good for the Greens tho’. Maybe that’s whats needed, a complete thrashing with all dinosaurs out. And a stunning Green victory.

  22. Viper73 22

    If she thinks she can do this in opposition to members of her own party what will she be like once shes in power?

    This is not good

    • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 22.1

      Christ, Clare is just the front for this attackers on free speech by a scared and desperate clique around the great bumbler…
      Preamble shearer is a middling nice guy should have a minor portfolio but that it…

    • felixviper 22.2

      Exactly my first thought V73. Trust her with the full power of the state? Yeah nah.

      • One Tāne Viper 22.2.1

        Paula Bennett, or Paula Bennett lite?

        National, or National lite?

        So, Dunedin South LEC, what are you going to do?

  23. The damn ‘Nactoids’ need to be sent a clear message that their actions will have consequences
    in 2yrs time or even in february.
    When the lion really awakes and roars, those who choose to take away democracy will
    find their ‘undemocratic’ seats and arses turfed out of government and electorates.

  24. tc 24

    the mallarfia is determined to sink their ship, they’ve shown utter contempt for the rank and file and an intolerance of diversity and talent. They fear Cunliffe like most inept management fear the up and coming more talented and able candidates.

    Agree with a prior post, the winners are other parties. I know of many labour supporters who will turning green next poll. WTF is their to vote for with this self serving wannabes.

    These jokers are treating the party as their own fiefdom not a vehicle to unseat a nasty, corrupt, dickensian, uncaring gov’t to restore some balance to workers and the hard done by, SHAME ON THEM ALL.

    • Draco T Bastard 24.1

      These jokers are treating the party as their own fiefdom…

      That seems to be the end result of any and all hierarchies. The people at the top really do start believing that they’re special and acting as if the rest of us owe them obeisance.

      • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 24.1.1

        For me that stated observation started at high school when myself , a very high up LP Member and others within the wider group challenged the Tory elitist DP over where the student raised funds held in bank account where spent on and not on the intended common room.we threatened to sue the school, interestingly we organised a socialist group at school as a focal discussion
        I’ve battled the elite management class and owner class ever since.

        Had one business owner call his employees his slaves as he laught his was to being extremely wealth so yes I agree with you DTB part of the revolution is post post capitalism and a reallocation of profit – well my dream and hope.

    • “Mallarfia”

      Very good TC.  Mind if I plagarise it? 

  25. bad12 25

    I am amused, even slightly bemused, the Labour Caucus of NOW is nothing new and has been with us since 1984,

    Even during the Clark Labour Governments the Labour Caucus was still that of a 1984 Lange/Douglas Government,

    The disconnect becomes apparent when i read the pages of The Standard, the majority of comments, even those from declared Labour Party members, show on the whole that what is being espoused is in fact Green Party policy in 90% of comments posted,

    Hence my slight bemusement, anyone believing that Labour are anything but the Socialist Party OF, BY, and FOR the middle class of New Zealand seems from where i sit to have been engaged in a Rip Van Winkle episode for quite some time,

    It then becomes obvious that any threat to those middle class aspirations espoused from within the Labour Party will be viewed, (by those supporting the middle class agenda), as a threat, hence the recent treatment of Cunliffe and those who agitate on His political behalf openly in on-line forum,

    How wide-spread the anger from Labour Party stalwarts is at the overt threats against those who continue to agitate on behalf of a Cunliffe lead Labour Party is i have no means of judging except from the on-line comments posted,

    However, besides venting their on-line fury at such tactics from within the Labour Caucus those who agitate for Cunliffe should be (a), lobbying their nearest Labour MP to vote in February to trigger a Party wide vote on the leadership, and (b),advocating and agitating at Local Electorate Committee level to have remits passed that their local MP vote to trigger the leadership vote in February,

    Other than the above, the only reasonable action that those so threatened from the Labour Caucus would seem to have at their disposal would be to, (tongue firmly in cheek), join a party such as the Greens who seem to in the social/economic policy areas espouse the exact same policy that was prior to 1984 central to the Labour ism,

    Please note,(with a snigger),this HAS NOT been an official Green Party recruiting message, Bwana Dave Shearer et al are busy filling that role in a freelance capacity at the moment…

    • viperidae 25.1

      Yes well. Labour left me in 1984.

      Now a Green.

      It is obvious that most of Labours R and F now have more in common with the Greens than their own caucus. I hope they can get their own party back.

      But I don’t care which party gets rid of National and gets rid of the mean spirited and dysfunctional neo-liberal dog eat dog society we are becoming. So long as we do.

      Unfortunately it no longer looks like it will be Labour.

    • bad12 25.2

      Anyone not having a context from within which to view my contention of the 2012 Labour Party being solely a socialist party of, for, and by the New Zealand middle class need only look at the relevant party’s, (Labour/Green), housing policy,

      Labour = borrow 1.5-2 billion dollars and build 30,000 houses at a retail price to those who will buy them, (presumably), on market terms of $300,000+, thus, in it’s announced form such a housing policy by it’s adherence to ‘market qualification’, (deliberately???), excludes from such housing those with insufficient income to service a 300 thousand+ mortgage,

      Greens= build 30,000 new State houses, if their is budgetary constraint to construction simply print the monies necessary and build the housing at such a pace as to spend the monies into the economy while paying due regard to the Reserve Bank’s inflation targets band,

      30,000 new state houses would allow for the ‘working poor’, those who daily toil in the non-professional areas of economy at or just above the minimum wage while raising families who have no hope of becoming financially upwardly mobile to enjoy a fixed rent regime of 25% of household income thus freeing them from the current norm of paying between 50-60% of their income into the private rental market, as such families are housed they would by dint of household income and rents paid reduce the overall taxpayer subsidy in the whole State owned housing portfolio,

      The Green housing policy is nothing ‘new’, it was once at the core of Labour Party values and while Labour still hold to the 25% of income as the benchmark rent for ‘the poor’ their ‘will’ to increase markedly the number of such houses is sadly lacking,

      While the economics of construction within both Party’s policy vis a vis employment and further ongoing production are much the same the end result is obviously quite markedly different,

      Under the Labour housing proposal,(in it’s current form), the recipients of such would need an income sufficient to service a 300 grand+ mortgage, (why not just put up a poster saying middle class income earners only need apply),

      In such a case more of the production of New Zealand will simply flow out of New Zealand as bank profit for the foreign owned banks NOT having transited the local economy,

      Under a Green policy however the reverse would be true,the ‘working poor’ would see themselves housed at 25% of household income thus freeing themselves from the private sectors 50-60% of income private rentals and freeing them to either save or spend into the local economy the difference in dollars between the two rental regimes,

      That’s all a bit of a long-winded,(understatement),stating of the perceived difference in policy between Labour and the Greeens, there’s nothing frighteningly radical in the Green policy it is simply a copy of what was Labour policy,

      The radicalism is tho apparent in the announced Labour policy and it is the radicalism of the middle class where the recipients of such Governmental largesse wont by dint of income be those who daily toil to clean the offices and infrasructure of those who devised it…

      • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 25.2.1

        How about do both policies

        • bad12 25.2.1.1

          Touchee, good point, indeed why not???, the only constraint being that both Party’s would have to halve their relative policy,

          In terms of the Reserve Bank’s inflationary targets building 10,000 extra houses a year would in terms of current and future short to medium term economics probably not create any inflationary problems within the current targets,

          Building 20,000 extra houses a year tho probably would, the same ends tho would, sooner or later, be met in building 10,000 extra houses and allocating half that build to State rentals while allowing the ‘working poor’ access to these,(IE, those with an income insufficient to service a 300+ grand mortgage being accorded access on a priority basis)…

          • Draco T Bastard 25.2.1.1.1

            Building 20,000 extra houses a year tho probably would, the same ends tho would,

            There’s ways to prevent that and one of the easiest and simplest would be to ban exporting of any and all construction materials such as wood. This would, effective;y, flood the local market with these materials dropping the price except that the government would then be using those same materials for house house building.

            • MrSmith 25.2.1.1.1.1

              Problem is I’m not sure we export that many building materials apart from timber, and the ‘A’ grade log price remains at around US$130 a cubic metre, believe me there are not that many cubes in a house.

      • Draco T Bastard 25.2.2

        Labour’s housing policy is for the Bankster class. Sure, the middle class will think it’s for them as they get to buy affordable homes but the real benefits go to the banks who get to create more money at interest.

    • R 25.3

      +1, but don’t forget Mana too.

  26. vto viped 26

    Well all this palava is just another reason to push my now left-heading vote to someone other than labour. I recall the shenanigans that went on when labour were last in power and did not like it not one little bit.

    And from what I can tell things would be exactly the same if they are in power again.

    And Clare Curran’s machinations around this particular issue confirms it.

    Power to the people!

    edit: beware the instinctive urge in labour to act as school teachers. it never seems to go away.

  27. viperfreedom 27

    I have been head down in the workshop lately trying to pay bills, failing mostly, and have missed much of what has been going on. The little I have gleaned leaves me staggered and disgusted by the corrupt temerity of the Labour Party MP’s who have, by their silenct lack of action, given tacit approval of this abusive activity. The cadre of cowards that seem to be at the helm have done little but prepare the grave for what was once, yet is no longer, a political party NZ could be proud of.

    Like many i have a few friends, i am not talking ‘friends with influence or position’ but real friends. Something Labour has obviously forgotten as it is friendship which built their Party. It is likely it is friendship which will also destroy it. Friends value and appreciate the efforts of all those who want the world to be a better place. Something else Labour has forgotten was their job to help achieve. Why these friends matter is simple and is well understood. You tell two friends and they tell two friends, and so on and so on and so on. The Labour Party, and their siamese sibling the NActs, deserve to lose handsomely at the next Election.

  28. vto viped 28

    What was the problem with colonial viper and his posts on here anyway?

    From what I read the points were always well made, incredibly well supported by knowledge and facts, and done with rspect and humour. So what was the problema?

    I guess it must have been something to do with internal labour party politics…… which is oh so important. ffs. Stupid. stupid stupid stupid. Cut off your nose to spite your face.

    • ColonialPete 28.1

      From what I read the points were always well made, incredibly well supported by knowledge and facts, and done with rspect and humour. So what was the problem?

      I think you’ve answered your own question.

  29. Viper73 29

    I know I’ve ragged on the looney lefties in the past (and deservedly so) but this would be one of the most (if not most) dumb-ass things counter-productive things I’ve ever heard an MP propose…

    Whats an electorate MP get a year, $150 grand or something and this is what it produces?!?!?

    What next, every right wing blogger gets put in prison for dissension?

    • TighyVipey 29.1

      As one who detests the faux socialism and other pretensions of CV, I feel for him over this. I may not like what he says, but I defend his right to say it.

      • Craig Glen viper 29.1.1

        Thanks for showing your solidarity lol! Tighy Vipey im sure CV would say the same back at you.

        • TightyVipey 29.1.1.1

          You know what? I honestly don’t think he would. but that doesn’t mean that I would ever stand by and let some shit tell someone else what to say, or even if they could say it.

          I’d like to think that no matter how misguided CV is, he would echo my sentiments, but I think he has a personal visceral dislike for me that would probably get in the way. a la clare curran. the difference being that she has the power to affect him, CV doesn’t with me. No matter, I hope he is ok.

      • ColonialContrarian 29.1.2

        Damn right. You don’t have to agree or like the person but they have the right to be disagreeable.

        • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 29.1.2.1

          More like..
          Damn the right
          And irony as pointed out by CGE is apt.
          Solidarity from a righty…the world has hope yet.
          Bring on Xmas

        • TightyVipey 29.1.2.2

          If you believe in freedom of speech, you have to protect the speech you disagree with the most.

      • TightyVipey 29.1.3

        Clare Curran having policy dictated to her by the authoritarian states?

        http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-meeting-that-could-kill-the-internet-20121207-2azj9.html

  30. Colonialoscopic Monkey 30

    Spectacular own-goal by the Shearer-gang and their elite backers… at least they’re showing themselves clearly for what they are.

    Kia kaha CV.

  31. Ant 31

    Clare Curran is totally Tori.

    • One Tāne Viper 31.1

      Let’s make sure (in the absence of a public apology) she wears all the consequences of her disgusting behaviour.

      Authoritarian scum have no place on the left.

      • Peter 31.1.1

        There are plenty of issues for the membership in Dunedin South to discuss I think.

        • Macro_adder 31.1.1.1

          Yes I think that the membership of Dunedin South should be, taking their representative in hand, and explaining a few facts of life. The damage that this stupidity is causing is getting out of hand.

  32. Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 32

    Just a quick comparison between 1984 and Now.

    We might have to be carefully actually as in our haste to rein in the reign of coming terror and night of the knives in per feb, we might cause labour to implode.
    Remember the affiliates has a sniff of their 40 percent and have a union block as MP, combined with a untamed and unbowed membership.
    Perhaps time for each LEC to take stock, poll the members and quietly issue a internal directive stating exactly which direction the members want labour to take.
    Do we want a more continual drift to the right or is it time to correct the electorate drift by reorganising and reconnecting thru active participation in the electrorate from MP as drivers of change.
    Shall we sink beneath the Tory blue wave or do we take a stand and fight for what the real labour stands for….betterment of all and not the few.

    We need a strong powerful Labour, an open inclusive labour with clear direction signalled early, a pathway outa the mire of neo lib, post capitalism darkness.

    We don’t need a Tory light party that props up or harnesses the old dying one horse capitalist system to fund pet social program’s we need a New Direction completely.
    Coming crunch of oil shock and climate change are our twin towers to be faced.

    • bad12 32.1

      The problem tho is that while what you are saying is true we all have been saying the same thing over and over again since Sir(spit) Roger Douglas unleashed His brand new world vision upon us in 1984,

      In that time we have had The Alliance and now the Green’s with the latter,(in my opinion being far more politically astute),

      My devious self here urges me to invite a spanking by inserting my vote g…Gr…Gree…(can’t quite get it out), message because what you so rightly elucidate in your comment is encompassed in that Party’s policy,

      My above comment’s in the post,(at first reading having little to do with the specific topic,sorry), address at one policy level the fact that on an economic level we all cannot keep expecting more, bigger, and better,

      Even if one does not adhere to ‘Peak isms’ in resource based economics the basic tenet of ‘globalization’ says that as a population we have to expect wages not to rise markedly,(and view with disparagement those who attempt to sell us the snake oil of equality of income with out bigger neighbor)…

    • Draco T Bastard 32.2

      …a pathway outa the mire of neo lib, post capitalism darkness.

      Um, what? neo-liberalism is the height capitalism. What we really need is to become post capitalist.

    • Ad 32.3

      Good suggestion there Neoleftie.

      Every LEC should check whether it wants to resist. Note that New Lynn LEC’s complaint, rather than being dealt with by the central committee, was sent straight up to the Leader of Caucus for comment.

      So don’t expect any protection, irrespective of any newfangled rules.

      Each LEC could ask itself over the break:

      - How is what they are doing advancing the cause of the Labour Party?

      - How much willingness, energy, and funding can they generate to sustain the Labour Party cause?

      - Can they join in solidarity with other supportive LEC’s or Affiliates or friendly NGO’s in common cause, or do they need to be more in recovery mode? And if so how?

      Some may say it is better to fireworks and burn out, than to fade away.

      Maybe that’s the trajectory for some once a decision has been made in February.

      But at some point we will all have to decide where we stand, and either be in the game for whatever team, or retreat gracefully to the commentariat, or have the official cup of tea and a lie-down.

      • Viper Anne 32.3.1

        Note that New Lynn LEC’s complaint, rather than being dealt with by the central committee, was sent straight up to the Leader of Caucus for comment.

        Thanks for that info. AD. To be fair, they would have to pass it to the Leader of Caucus for comment, but it’s got to come back to the NZ Council for a ruling. It won’t be a satisfactory ruling – that’s a given. But they might have the guts to remonstrate with the ABC club privately, and tell them to pull their horns in. Or: am I being overly optimistic?

        • Ad 32.3.1.1

          Central Committee has had plenty of chances already – Tamihere being the latest.

          Process is fine until the Leadership has a specific interest. Then its simply game on.

          Sorry if it wasn’t fair. But what in the last year has?

  33. Tazireviper 33

    PG and CC meeting of the minds???

  34. Jum 34

    I don’t comment here anymore, but I often read the threads. The one person that always stood out for me as being objective, thoughtful, politically knowledgeable and fair was CV. If he/she said something, I respected it. She/he is a lateral thinker which is rare and quite frankly this blog has lost someone very valuable. Hope she/he returns soon.

    I have always voted Labour, both ticks, but Roger Douglas the chicago boys Pinochet NZ clone ensured I would never risk becoming a Labour member. Now I am forced to consider other voting options because of this latest nonsense and the TPPA double-speak from Labour which risks our children’s health, welfare, working rights, because it still plans to sign the pledge to American control with a few remit points that would be swallowed up in the small print.

    Merry Christmas and a better New Year to CV.

  35. Visubversaviper 35

    If it is any consolation – this has all happened before and the Labour Party came out of it much stronger.

    In the early 1990′s we had the Backbone Club, a bunch of Rogernomes who could not accept that it was their crap policies which had cost Labour the 1990 election. They buggered off to ACT but not before they has asset stripped several electorates where their candidates had not got selected. They left one electorate with $7 in the bank and another with a disfunctional computer supposedly worth $6,000 and pages and pages of supposed members who did not actually exist, or if they did, had no idea they were in the Labour Party.

    After them were the followers of the biggest cult of the leader since Kim Il Sung. The bully boys of the MMSC swaggered around electorates as if they owned the place, paid for by the an early equivalent of a Super PAC. Canvassers for Labour now had an extra question added – “are you a Mike Moore supporter” and material which had previously had “NZLP” on it now had the dreaded “MMSC” logo.

    The rank and file revolted, the leader changed, and the bully boys either repented or vanished.

    Now that we have the internet, the disinfecting sunlight can be shone on these things a lot easier.

    I will never vote anything other than Labour and I still pay my sub and my VFL. I hope history repeats, and from the look of it – aided by blogs like this, good people are coming to the aid of the Party.

    • Jenny 35.1

      Mike Moore was also sullied by his advocacy for the Compact, a tripartite agreement for a super collaboration between union leaders, business leaders and government which required major concession from the unions and which gave up the trade unions role as an independant advocate for their members but which proved to be very unpopular amongst many rank and file. Many trace the decline in union power in this country to the Union leaders top table imposition of Mike Moore’s Compact.

      • Jenny 35.1.1

        Maybe the Labour Party top table could take heed and learn from this example. The bureaucratic imposition of authority risks collapsing your organisation.

        Former union delegate and TUAC member (Trade Unionists Against the Compact)

  36. Ms X 36

    Two things bother me about all this – aside from the major issue of trying to curb freedom of speech, which is a basic human right.
    1. Come February, what happens to little clusters of Labour members who do not belong to an LEC because of their size? If a vote should take place, will they have a voice? After the last election, branches were decimated.
    2. WHEN has a new mp shot to the top of the tree and succeeded? It didn’t work for Don Brash and I don’t see it happening now.

    • jenny Kirk 36.1

      To Ms X. The Party council did say that if the 60% threshold wasn’t reached and there was to be a party-wide vote, it would be a postal vote to all financial members.
      However, from comments on this post, it doesn’t look as if there is likely to be a vote – sounds as if Shearer and his mates have tied up the whole of caucus to vote for him S.

      By the way – I missed the comment about Goff being olde world and courteous. Ms Clifton hasn’t been given the full story about Goff in the late 1980s by her hand-holding drake – he (Goff) was one of the most vocal and brutal in attacking Lange in caucus – lots of nasty dog in that guy and in the others, of course.

      • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 36.1.1

        Oh thank that was very interesting about goff.
        Guess who models himself on Lange in Wellington or at least admired the man.?
        Oh CV come back soon.

        Once there was a man or woman brave bold and tall in the time of the Pax USA
        Who told it how it is was and could be.
        A man or woman who saw the future and wasn’t afraid to speak out.
        Until the day up came a a loud silly animal with two humps who didn’t like noise one wee bit.
        Either sling it or shut it cause I’ve got two humps big and strong….then
        The clouds hid the sun, day went to night and the knives came out.
        Rest in peace CV.

    • geoff 36.2

      2. WHEN has a new mp shot to the top of the tree and succeeded? It didn’t work for Don Brash and I don’t see it happening now.

      Does John Key count?

  37. veutoviper 37

    I have read all the comments on this apparent situation of intimidation of people like CV and others here over the last few days and have been utterly disgusted that any Labour Party caucus members would take such an approach to the rights of people to freedom of expression – whether or not they are party members and active in the party. If they thought that this was OK and would be kept under wraps, then they are very naive and should not be in senior positions in the party. Such actions are bound to back fire – both on them personally and on the party as a whole.

    I had a quick look at KB earlier for the first time for months, and to give him his due, even PG is up in arms and supporting the views of many here. And under fire for doing so.

    My support and best wishes go to CV and the others – hang in there and don’t give in. You have a lot of support. Kia Kaha.

    • seeker 37.1

      Well said veutoviper.This is so not a Labour Party that I can vote for. What has happened to them? First the monstrous leadership charade and now this. I am beginning to see how Douglas highjacked the Labour party in the eighties. Without principles one is asking for trouble and I am not at all sure of the principles and values of today’s Labour anymore. I am not sure that I can trust them anymore than I can national. WOW, did I just type that???

  38. Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 38

    Just been whispered that the hold up from central processing the new membership is due to understaffing of course but also to hold off all the new change supporters until next year registration where their voice and vote can’t be heard or count.
    Whisper only at this stage….

    • New LP member maybe 38.1

      That is interesting.

      I “joined” via the internet in early Dec and paid via the internet. I received a stock email back the same day which says amongst other things:

      “Date”
      “Subject: Receipt – Annual Membership – Welcome to the Labour Party”

      “You may print this email as proof of provisional membership until your offical membership card arrives in the post’ and

      “Once again we sincerely thank you for being a member of the Labour Party, it is very much appreciated” and

      “Please print this confirmation for your records.”

      As far as I am concerned, the wording above constitutes acceptance of my membership. AND I have it printed out on that same day. There was nothing on the internet form suggesting it was for next year’s subscription, so if there are any problems or attempts to suggest that, I will not let it rest.

      • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 38.1.1

        Great mate you’re in….welcome to the party, wine or beer in the chiller, it’s a buffet not a BBQ.

    • mac1 38.2

      All I can say there is a lot of whispering not worth listening too at this stage. Also a lot of shouting.

      What I’d do is find a NZLP member with a membership book, slip him/her the current fee (I don’t know what that is since my membership comes with my ongoing automatic contribution to the annual giving plan) and have the little chittie that comes from the membership book all dated and fully kosher.

      That’d have to fill the bill for membership.

  39. KhandallaMan-an Absolutely Fabulous Viper 39

    Sunday Quiz Time:

    Q1. 
    What does Clare Curran and Chris Hiplins have in common?
    A1.
    They both were given good solid seats that they are screwing-up and leaving open to a National take-over. ( and are thus sucking up for high list positions)

    Q2.
    What does Darien Fenton and Jacinda Ardern have in common?
    A2.
    They both failed to ever win Electorate seats and build support among branch members.  (and are thus sucking up for high list positions)

    try setting up your own quiz!
     

    • Ant 39.1

      I always had the impression that Jacinda was far more interested in Wellington than in winning Auckland Central.

      She really should have won it last time it but is pretty much invisible in the electorate. You’d see more of David Parker in Grey Lynn than her LOL.

      • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 39.1.1

        That’s the half the trouble MP have evolved into beltway hacks and have let the local party organisation run down terrible and have little involvement in their communities.
        There are so so soooo many operational tactic and strategies that could be adopted for local elections.
        Did CC Dunedin south even consider why the party vote swung away from her and labour in such a traditional safe and resourced seat.

      • Veutoviper 39.1.2

        But Jacinda has time to do this

        http://t.co/ID0bNmKd

        Thanks to Kim Dot.com’s Twitter site for the link.

        Incidentially, by coincidence (?) about 13 hours ago, Dotcom retwittered a conversation with Clare Curran dated 26 Nov re the new Mega. Mallard was also in the conversation.

        About halfway down – click on the conversation to see it in full

        https://mobile.twitter.com/KimDotcom

        Wonderful picture of his swans in love there also in his latest tweet.

  40. Didn’t turn out too well for Lange either.

  41. Skinny 41

    After reading the anger of a good number of the punters on here & who’s  sentiments are also reflected by a good deal of the voting public. 

    Perhaps consideration should given to forming a ‘new’ political party to the Left. 5% to 8% is not  unrealistic given the wave of unsatisfied punters out there. Certainly be a good way of keeping a Labour/Green coalition where they should be, ‘on a bloody LEFT course.’   

  42. SHG (not Colonial Viper) 42

    Clare Curran’s greatest hits (this is an update of a post I made on Danyl’s blog a while back)

    I keep hearing how Curran is a communications expert, and seeing absolutely no evidence of it. As Labour’s telecommunications spokesperson she appears to be technically ignorant and of average literacy at best. Examples:

    http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2010/05/27/lets-all-admit-it-our-internet-speeds-are-rubbish/
    Curran finds out about a site on the interwebs called “speedtest.net” (/facepalm) and has discovered that NZ is actually geographically remote and its “bandwidth data” or something is, um, less good than that of someone somewhere else.

    http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2010/05/28/advertised-vs-actual-broadband-speed-there-is-a-difference/
    Curran discovers that broadband in South Korea and Japan is faster than in NZ and DEMANDS AN EXPLANATION.

    http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2010/07/03/beyond-lol
    Curran, Labour spokesperson for Communications and Information Technology, proclaims that typing “LOL” is silly and that everyone should stop it.

    Do you do Droopol (sp?) tell me. Would you do some stuff for us? #pleasenicely—
    Clare Curran (@clarecurranmp) May 10, 2011

    Curran, Labour spokesperson for Communications and Information Technology, seeks crowd-sourced assistance with Open Source content management framework. Shortly before it was revealed that Labour’s “Droopol” installation was sharing confidential donor information with the entire Internet.

    Oh yeah, there was her hard-hitting poll on Red Alert:

    “Internet speeds: are they fast enough?”

    [ ] YES
    [ ] NO

    http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/08/10/explaining-netflix-to-simon-power/
    Curran, Labour spokesperson for Communications and Information Technology, lectures Simon Power on this thing she’s discovered called the Internet, informing him that (and I quote) “Bit Torrent is one of the major sites where you go to get content and download it for free (and illegally).”

    http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/08/22/the-importance-of-being-labour/
    http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/08/22/the-importance-of-being-labour-2/
    Curran posts to Red Alert basically saying “Fuck the fucking Greens, those bastards are stealing left-leaning voters and those votes belong to Labour BY RIGHT.”

    https://twitter.com/#!/clarecurranmp/status/117484871269617664
    Curran goes full retard by accusing Cameron Slater, David Farrar, Matthew Hooton, the Young Nationals, and (this is a verbatim quote) “the non-Labour left” of conspiring together to attack Labour. No shit, she said “the non-Labour left”. So there’s an evil conspiracy against Labour being masterminded by the National Party, right-leaning private citizens, and everyone else in the world who isn’t part of Labour. That’s a pretty big conspiracy, eh.

    http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/04/14/no-new-zealander-can-be-disconnected-from-the-internet/comment-page-2/#comment-167800
    Curran, Labour spokesperson for Communications and Information Technology, defends the bill which makes NZers guilty upon accusation by opining that it does NOT make NZers guilty upon accusation. In spite of all legal advice to the contrary.

    https://twitter.com/#!/clarecurranmp/status/110122884172759040

    Are there loudness discrepancies found on NZ TV adverts vs progs and if so should they be monitored and a unified national standard created?

    Curran, Labour spokesperson for Communications and Information Technology, decides that the subjective difference between the loudness of TV shows and TV ads is so important as to require monitoring and national standards. For bonus lols: check the datestamp, she decided and proclaimed this DURING THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN. Presumably there was nothing else important going on.

    http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/06/17/john-keys-ghost-followers/
    Curran, Labour spokesperson for Communications and Information Technology, decides it would be a good use of taxpayers’ money to investigate if John Key’s twitter-follower count is accurate. Seriously.

    Remember, this is a person who thought that of all the issues facing families, workers, and beneficiaries in Dunedin South the most important thing to thrust into the spotlight in Parliament was her support of the Highlanders Super Rugby jersey. Understandable of course, what with it being a taonga with the cultural significance that only comes with not actually existing before 1996 and being manufactured by a German sportswear company in China.

    • QoTViper 42.1

      Epic comment is epic. I’ve long been an avid consumer of Curran’s social media fuckups (and I would dearly love to know how much of her handiwork went into the fucking ridiculous #Labour2012 guidelines) but seeing it all laid out in one go is … epic.

      There’s such an immediate, obvious difference between people who have come to use social media and online engagement “naturally” (usually Gen Ys but not always, and not all Gen Ys are social media geeks) and those who, usually due to working in marketing, are trying to muscle in on the cool new territory. Curran is most definitely in the latter camp.

      • karol 42.1.1

        those who, usually due to working in marketing, are trying to muscle in on the cool new territory. 

        One of my major dislikes.  Every time people put effort into developing excellent communication systems for people to use socially for free, the marketing & biz types want in on the action, thus undermining the initial purpose. 

        • QoTViper 42.1.1.1

          The thing is, I can see how there’s a right way for corporate organisations to use social media. If they’re providing their services or information about their services on a platform where their audience is, kind of thing.

          But then you get the ones who are all “we have to be on Twitter! Because that’s what organisations do!!!” and then they hire marketers who suggest obnoxious things like sponsored ads and then it all goes to shit and the people find a new platform to have their conversations the way they like them.

    • Viper Anne 42.2

      SHG @42
      Lolz lolz lolz and more lolz. And for good measure I’ll do a Spud.
      :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) phew that’ll do. Lady C doesn’t like smiley faces either.

    • Just viping 42.3

      Hilarious report, SHG (not CV)!
      You couldn’t make this shit up.
      LOL-LOL-LOL………

      • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 42.3.1

        It gets worse and goes downhill from there.
        Now poor Clare I know naughty us but she is a symbol for what’s wrong with the labour party, perceived as right of centre and weak disconnected to the community as the last election results portrayed.
        The pizza crew waving signs on street corners do a better job advertising their brand and message.
        A local Maori community service provider recently opened their newly renoed modest premises at a function….was labour there I wonder.

    • dancervipereke 42.4

      LOLOLOLOLOLOL. 

      As QOT said, “epic comment is epic”.  

    • danylmc 42.5

      I also enjoyed it when Idiot Savant criticised Labour on Twitter, and Curran demanded he make atonement by going door-knocking for Labour in South Dunedin.

  43. ColonialPete 43

    If Colonial Viper is reading this, I suggest he make a complaint to the Privacy Commissioner.

    • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 43.1

      Ohhhhh escalation that would cause such severe media and potential poll hit that CV would be demonised and shot at dawn, and if we lose in 2014 cause of any distraction….
      It would play into the Tories smug hands.

      • ColonialPete 43.1.1

        If I were in CV’s position, I would make a complaint right away, consequences be damned. People who engage in what is essentially blackmail do not belong in government.

        • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 43.1.1.1

          Well at least we still able to vote…last freedom in our democratic society…vote em in or down maybe, roll on feb. who know we might have a selection process for some local mp yet come feb too.

        • Colonial Weka 43.1.1.2

          I tend to agree Pete, although I’m not sure how the privacy act would cover this situation. I can’t find a privacy policy on either Red Alert or the main Labour party website :-(

        • Rhinoviper 43.1.1.3

          CV would have my support if they didn’t make a complaint. I’ve been subjected to the analogous situation of workplace bullying in the past, and went through a protracted complaint process. I fully appreciate how how gruelling it can be, how it can leave permanent effects in terms of relationships and health. It’s all very well to say “damn the consequences”, but if CV goes ahead, CV will have to endure the consequences. What they need is the support of other people. That’s why I was in a union and why I’m staying in one.

          Yes, Curran is an utterly vile individual, and that “nice guy” Shearer, by enabling her at the very least, is culpable.

          • Veutoviper 43.1.1.3.1

            +1, Rhino. It is strictly up to CV and the others as to how they handle this. I have also been “there” and know how much it takes at the time and the longer term effects – even if you win at the time. I will respect them – and any decision that they make. They are all people whose comments on here I have appreciated and respected even if I have not necessarily agreed.

            What has amazed me is the number and range of people who have come out in support of CV and the others’ democratic rights to express their views. In fact I have found it quite uplifting and feel that we can work together for the greater good – while respecting that we are not all going to agree all of the time. If we can meld this into something bigger, then there is hope. Lets turn a negative into a positive.

  44. Coronial Typer 44

    Perhaps Dunedin South needs a more active selection process coming up.

    Let’s just dump her and get a better candidate.

    It’s time they figured out the true power of this site.

    And while we’re at it, get that NZCouncil to demand a new Caucus rep as well.

    Fire this useless thing before she requires us to have something stitched on our clothes:
    “Standard Raiser”

    And yeah Claire, you do work for us. Not the other way around.

    We are Labour Party Members!

  45. Binders full of viper- women 45

    Thanks for outing this weirdo. Us Waitakere men hate censorship which is why I migrated over here from red alert cos of the censoring and abuse from a sad lycra 50 something bully.

  46. Matthew 46

    Is there link where one could go to see eveerything thats happened on one page?
    im confused as all hell

    • QoTViper 46.1

      This post by IrishBill:
      http://thestandard.org.nz/just-how-wrong-can-you-get-it/

      This comment by Colonial Viper:
      http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-07122012/comment-page-1/#comment-559626

      And thus Vipertacus was born.

      See also this comment for why you should never comment at Red Alert (because as far as Labour/Clare Curran is concerned, “Open Government” means “we demand transparency of the government while in opposition but deny basic freedom of expression to people who disagree with us”)
      http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-07122012/comment-page-1/#comment-559704

    • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 46.2

      A summary if I may be so bold…
      CV and a few others so far have been nobbled by either direct approach and or complaint to labour party HQ, by um well a unnamed labour MP, about their online blogging so have gone into hiding so to speak, apart from the odd beer or two with his mates. Virtual and otherwise.
      Then behold the true and bold on here stood up in solidarity and did a grand show of support via the name game thing.
      Now the game is up and the call has gone out far and wide. Sharpen your pen sword as it would seem blogging members are for the chop or knife.
      My take wheel within wheel within another wheel as the party members find there voice and demand meaningful and directional change and this is causing discomfort to the ruling labour elite.

  47. Mongoose 47

    Wow, some pretty strong hating going on on this page. Whatever your perception of some Labour MPs and your own ideals, just remember you are talking about/hating on another human being here, and as we have seen recently in the UK, disparagement of others can have nasty consequences.
    Are you all so absolutely sure of your claims, accusations? Sure hope so.
    Just noticing and just saying.

    • MrV 47.1

      Not dubbed the hate blog for no reason.

    • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 47.2

      Ohhhhhh very good point, thanks for that mongoose.
      Angst – actually from my understanding CC doesn’t need any more pressure…forgot about that.

    • BM 47.3

      Civil war

      • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 47.3.1

        Well cc won selection by one floor vote it would seem, I was sick that day and could not make it, got some flack for that one my bad.
        I hate hate hate the Tories and this evil system that shackles the people to provide wealth to avert few.
        We need each and every electorate to provide the maxamum amount of party votes come election time. We need unity and connective ness and a modern operational approach to systematically lockin voters now now one not in two years time.

        This election starts now for the LP but we need strong caucus and strong policy, we need motivated and strong activist who have a plan to get the message out.
        Bold thinking is needed now…

    • QoTViper 47.4

      Oh, fuck off. We’re criticising the actions of a person. Shitty actions, pointless actions, destructive actions, and you want to fucking guilt-trip us by associating blog comments with driving people to suicide?

      I say again: fuck off.

  48. Ennui in Requiem Mass for CV 48

    Here in Purgatory we sing songs to sooth the soul of CV. We also have the devils lining up to punish his oppressors: so cut the bollocks please, wont somebody name and shame the guilty party please in full detail, technicolor with damning evidence.

    • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 48.1

      Hersay from those directly involved and a blogger on Michael winters blog stating they have seen the letter should be enough….
      One peasant to another “what’s that smell”
      Oh that the elites they are revolting.

    • Drakula 48.2

      “Ennui in Requiem Mass for CV” I like it keep up the support !!!!

  49. lurgee 49

    Has anyone seen any evidence to establish what CV is saying is actually A Real Thing and (if it is) looked at both sides of the story? It wouldn’t be the first time in history that someone has decided it is more fun to be the news, rather than just comment on it.

    Worth while pausing and reflecting before we break out the torches and pitchforks, perhaps?

    • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 49.1

      You mean private conversations and a letter From the caucus rep….only hearsay.

      • lurgee 49.1.1

        I have no idea. Nor, I suspect, do most of the infant vipers squirming about here. But I see a lot of people running very fast in one direction, shouting “Burn the Witch!” and that’s usually not a good thing.

        • Neoleftie friend in arms of cv 49.1.1.1

          It would seem that we are the red red witches and they wana burn us one by one at the steak…BBQ

  50. Jester 50

    Is this guy for real? He is got to be taking the piss.

    http://blog.labour.org.nz/2012/12/09/sunday-sport-omnishambles/

    • rosy 50.1

      I sort of hope that it’s clever, but really he can’t see that the Labour caucus is NZ Cricket.

    • fender/same sentiment less eloquent Viper 50.2

      I wasn’t aware G.Robertson was the Henry Blofeld of the Beehive.

      He better place Clare Curren in the silly-mid-off fielding position, oh too late.

    • mac1 50.3

      Mmmm….. cricket.

      A team game where the captain makes the decisions supported by loyal players, a game plan is followed by bowlers and fielders when the opposition is batting and by the batsmen when their turn is to bat even at the cost of sacrificing their wickets for the good of the team, different skill sets are exercised by various players from a variety of backgrounds, with the same basic rules applying to both sides.

      Each team tends to have ardent followers and trenchant critics, especially when the team is not playing well. Individual players can be also criticised for uneven performances even at a distance from the game and with little knowledge by the critics of the playing conditions, captain’s instructions and the basis for his decisions.

      Ground staff, umpires, coaches, selectors can also be held accountable reasonably or unreasonably by dissatisfied fans.

      Especially known for bias and favouritism are commentators and sports writers. Some have even been accused of interviewing their own typewriters.

      Generally, the critics most informed are those who turn up for the actual game, sit on the boundary and watch the action, knowledgeably. Some even keep scoring books.

      Some, however, don’t watch matches, and even support other teams. Others only support their team when it is winning. Others again know that cricket is most of all a confidence game where players are easily distracted by sledging and barracking.

      A few even run betting schemes and try to influence the play by match fixing and improper use of appeals and review authorities.

      Lastly, most of the public take a slight interest in the game at peak times when important tests are being played and for the rest of the time follow other sports, if at all.

      And some say cricket has no relevance to life.

  51. Drakula 51

    Sorry; I have been a bit out of touch, I have just read the above and No Right Turn’s take on this and he was brilliantly succinct as usual. I say to CV don’t be intimidated, stand tall and if this bitch insists on her bullying tactics then threaten to DEFECT! EN MASS ! There is always the Greens and the Mana Party.

    I am a Greenie but having said that I am getting disillusioned with the partisan political system and I will explain why. It has one fundamental weakness; it focuses on personalities rather than the issues which is why it is very easy for ‘business groups’ to infiltrate a number of parties.

    Remember politicians don’t like referendums and the neo liberals have had headaches infiltrating the Swiss system.

    • Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 51.1

      Well I for one have a end goal. Unity and a solid leadership team with members in support taking it to the street to get the vote in

  52. Neoleftie friend in arms of CV 52

    Yes he most certainly is for real mate.
    He is quite well rounded for a pollie just like Lange was too.
    Hmmmm Lange was betrayed by the right bush wackers too.

    • Drakula 52.1

      Yes I remember that but I didn’t feel that sorry for Lange because a few years earlier when Labour was in opposition Douglas was sacked by Rowling! Remember? Lange should have learnt from that but Oh no Douglas and Prebble were dangling the golden grail of power to get rid of Muldoon.
      Strange I remember that better tan last week.

    • Neoleftie friend in arms of cv 52.2

      Um talking about Robertson there…well rounded.

  53. Greg M, the Ex Navy viper 53

    This whole situation is appalling. While I hardly ever agree with CV, his writings are always well considered and well written. Someone needs to give a certain south Dunedin MP a swift kick up the slats. Anyone that thinks muzzling genuine criticism and robust discussion is a help to democracy, needs to stand aside. I respect CV’s, and Millsy’s comments and I look forward to their early return to these pages.
    Greg.

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 53.1

      his writings are always well considered and well written

      Bollocks, he’s a frickin’ lunatic. Half the time arguing with him is like talking to a religious nut with his fingers in his ears chanting “lalalala can’t hear you Jesus Jesus Jesus”.

      But that’s entirely beyond the point. To have been threatened with naming and shaming for posts made pseudonymously on one site by person(s) who have access to logs of posts made on another is disgusting.

      I don’t care if he’s a drooling halfwit or Thomas Aquinas, Colonial Viper is now “us” and those threatening him are now “them”.

      To have inspired in me feelings of solidarity with Colonial Viper is yet another crime to add to the list for which the current Labour management cabal should be held accountable.

  54. burt - Viper without the rose tinded glasses 54

    Get some balance CV, but don’t loose your passion.

  55. xtasy 55

    I have so far resisted to get “vipered”, am not intending to “viporise”, but am impressed by this convincing viper passion shown in this thread. It will surely send a message “home”, wherever that may be in future.

  56. Blue 56

    Just read about CV. Did this seriously happen? Clare Curran is one of the electorate MP’s down here and is not well liked, lost the party vote to National in a strong Labour seat. I don’t agree with much (anything?) CV has to say, but his right to say it in anonymity needs to be protected. The fact that Curran beleives she should ‘out’ him, to exert control over the message is the lowest form of censorship. What a scumbag.

  57. Treetop 57

    I am left wondering that if by association in agreeing with CV when he blogged regarding the Labour leadership that in future when I correspond with a labour MP on a matter of complaint unrelated to the leadership, that I will be treated in a different manner (marked for pay back) than I have formerly been treated.

  58. Richard Down South (Will wingman for CV) 58

    Labour need to pull their head out of their you know where, and im a long time Labour supporter :/

  59. Assviper 59

    Poor show all round really…….

  60. Huginn all God's Vipers 60

    I’m really struggling with this. If Claire Curran did this, then she should have known better.
    But if she did, then I wouldn’t be surprised.

    Her stupId idea that she could moderate National’s ammendments to the Copyright Act by ‘working from the inside’ and effectivrly supporting them caused a huge shift of young voters to the Greens.

    Her Red Alert posts are unreadably long winded. She doesn’t seem to get the Interweb at all.

  61. twist 61

    Well you can all read her response
    Notice the parts where she says “not at any point have I sought disciplinay action against any indvidual” & ‘she had not used individual names’ & that CV had identified themself
    You guys at the standard are pretty good at organising a witch hunt. There is always more to hearsay than meets the eye.
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    Some time ago, I wrote about Cameron Slater’s claim to be a journalist, which he is invoking for the purposes of protecting his confidential sources. The District Court ordered him to turn over his sources in a defamation case brought...
    Media Law Journal | 22-08
  • Government considering starting CRL on time
    I’ve long suspected the realities surrounding the City Rail Link and its close relationship to some of the biggest development projects in Auckland would in some ways force the governments hand and require an earlier start than 2020. Yesterday the...
    Transport Blog | 22-08
  • Poll of polls
    Polity's poll of polls is up to date, over at the Poll of Polls page. The short version, good to use as a more-or-less pre-Dirty Politics baseline, is: National: 50.4% Labour: 26.4% Greens: 12.0% NZF: 4.6% InternetMANA: 2.3% Conservative: 2.1%...
    Polity | 22-08
  • Primary Teachers Rise Up!
    I have been a primary teacher for 35 years and for over half of that time I have been an active member of the New Zealand Educational Institute, New Zealand's largest education union. NZEI Te Riu Roa represents 50,000 members, including...
    Local Bodies | 22-08
  • Friday melts, weird weather and whales (it’s been a long time…)
    It’s been a long time since my last post: apologies for that. You may blame a bad cold, an urgent need for root canal work, the peak of the truffle season (and truffle tours for culinary heroes1 ), the start...
    Hot Topic | 22-08
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies – Today No. 29: It’s a left-wing smear campaig...
     Key: 'Left wing smear campaign'   Key continues to back Collins    John Key is wrong. He is not the victim of a smear campaign, and here's why: First, let's define "smear campaign". Wikipedia: A smear campaign, smear tactic or simply smear is...
    Arch Rival | 22-08
  • How Many National MPs are Corrupt?
    Reading through the ‘dumps’ of information allegedly showing Scumbag Adulterer Cameron Slater’s messages with National Party Hacks, there is a lot of discussions about money changing hands, Tobacco Companies making ‘donations’, and so on. Not only has Key’s Office and...
    An average kiwi | 22-08
  • Tolley feeds Slater too
    Because of Nicky Hager's excellent book, Dirty Politics, we know that a number of senior National party officials and Ministers have been caught out supplying information and content to the Whale Oil Beef Hooked blogsite, information that Cameron Slater uses...
    The Jackal | 22-08
  • Unsurprising
    No bloggers have signed up to join the Online Media Standards Authority. This isn't really surprising. For a start, membership costs $500 a year (and ten times that if too many people complain) - well beyond the means of most...
    No Right Turn | 22-08
  • Nelson fishing museum satire or not?
    Apparently, unless Fairfax is now taking on The Civilian in the field of satirical news, the Minister of Conservation Nick Smith and fishing magnate Peter Talley are planning a fishing museum in Nelson. And the Minister considers this "ambitious new...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 22-08
  • Steering By The Real: Chris Trotter Responds To Paul Buchanan.
    Uncharacteristically Idealistic: Normally a cool-headed realist (as befits an expert in international relations) Dr Paul Buchanan has taken issue with Chris Trotter's "cynical" Bowalley Road posting Dirty Politics - Is There Any Other Kind? by offering a passionately idealistic defence of...
    Bowalley Road | 22-08
  • This should not have taken five years
    Back in 2009, after the Herald was given information showing that National MP Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi was suspected by the Immigration Service of paying off a woman at the centre of allegations he had made bogus job offers, Immigration Minister...
    No Right Turn | 22-08
  • Poll of Polls update – 22 August 2014
    The latest Herald Digipoll has just been released, and with a polling window running from 14 August to 20 August, the entirety of the polling was completed following the release of Dirty Politics. The results show a sharp fall of 4.9% for National. However,...
    Occasionally erudite | 22-08
  • Hard News: In The Green Room
    Next Thursday, John Key and David Cunliffe will meet in the first TVNZ leaders' debate. At the same time, Green Party co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman will appear in The Green Room, a "companion" debate streamed live online.I'll be...
    Public Address | 21-08
  • Walking in Manukau
    Just over a month ago I was out at Manukau City, at the open day of the new MIT, which doubles as Manukau station. This is a brilliant facility, with world class integration of land use and transport. If you...
    Transport Blog | 21-08
  • World News Brief, Friday August 22
    Top of the AgendaThai Junta Leader Appointed PM...
    Pundit | 21-08
  • Review finds community water fluoridation safe and effective
    A press release from the Royal Society of NZ today. I think the “take home message is: “The panel concluded that the concerns raised by those opposed to fluoridation are not supported by the scientific evidence” A review of the...
    Open Parachute | 21-08
  • Seismic testing stopped in Norway but coming soon to Northland
    Seismic testing for oil in the Arctic Barents Sea, commissioned by the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate has been stopped four days after it began and one month ahead of schedule after Greenpeace exposed it to the media. But off the coast...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 21-08
  • Hard News: Friday Music: A Strange Road
    It was one thing when the Electoral Commission declared Darren Watson's 'Planet Key' song and video to be an "election programme" under the Broadcasting Act. But quite another for it to then find it to also be an "election advertisement"...
    Public Address | 21-08
  • More proof
    Adam Bennet in the Herald reports: New evidence has emerged appearing to contradict Prime Minister John Key's claim he was never told by the SIS it intended to release politically sensitive secret documents to Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater. But...
    Polity | 21-08
  • Up Front: Oh, God
    I'm not a militant atheist. I've always been grateful that I was raised by a good Christian woman; one who believed in kindness, and giving, and generally not being a judgemental homophobic arsehole. Those people's voices are largely missing from...
    Public Address | 21-08
  • New Fisk
    Air strikes? Talk of God? Obama is following the jihadists’ script...
    No Right Turn | 21-08
  • Key fails to keep his lies straight
    When evidence emerged yesterday that John Key had been briefed on Cameron Slater's expedited OIA to the SIS, he was quick to deny it. Apparently when the SIS director and the Ombudsman referred explicitly to "discussions with the Prime Minister",...
    No Right Turn | 21-08
  • Enter the Mad Butcher
    One aspect of the disgusting messages between National party propagandist Cameron Slater and his accomplice Aaron Bhatnagar that hasn't been picked up on by the mainstream media yet is their discussion about Peter Leitch AKA the Mad Butcher.This part of...
    The Jackal | 21-08
  • NEWSFLASH: John Key Clone Used to Fake News Conference
    Incredibly “Left Wing Smear” Campaigners have used a time machine, travelled back to August 8th 2011, with a Clone of John Key (That they made days before, using number eight wire and Oravida Milk Powder), and held a News Conference...
    An average kiwi | 21-08
  • Norway in sneak attack on the Arctic
    The Esperanza has been in Svalbard, in the Arctic, for a few weeks now and we recently became aware of something urgent and disturbing. A seismic company called Dolphin Geophysical, commissioned by the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate, has begun seismic mapping...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 21-08
  • Vote Choice: Social Media Round-up
    We will return to our regularly scheduled coverage of party leader’s position on abortion. Meanwhile, this week’s Vote Choice series focuses on what we have heard from supporters across social media. We’ve also listed some interesting resources that can help...
    ALRANZ | 21-08
  • “Dirty Politics” and The Teflon Man
    . . The release of Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Secrets” has unleashed more of a political firestorm than many had anticipated. (Or, perhaps some did.) The glare of publicity has been shone like a laser-beam into the darkest, most noisome...
    Frankly Speaking | 21-08
  • “Dirty Politics” and The Teflon Man
    . . The release of Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Secrets” has unleashed more of a political firestorm than many had anticipated. (Or, perhaps some did.) The glare of publicity has been shone like a laser-beam into the darkest, most noisome...
    Frankly Speaking | 21-08
  • Is Penlink worth it?
    As the Council puts together its 10 year budget over the coming months there will be some really big questions that need to be addressed in the area of transport. When to start City Rail Link? How fast to build...
    Transport Blog | 21-08
  • Abandoning Science – And The Planet
    Weeping For The Planet: The famous "Crying Indian" advertisement, produced by Keeping America Beautiful, struck a deep chord with Americans when it first screened on "Earth Day" - 22 April  1971. It was a time when both the Left and the...
    Bowalley Road | 21-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • Labour will facilitate regional Māori economic development agencies
    The next Labour Government will facilitate the creation of regional Māori economic development groups lead by iwi and hapū to work in partnership with business and public agencies as part of its Māori Development policy. “Labour is committed to working towards...
    Labour | 16-08
  • PRIME MINISTER’S DENIAL AT ODDS WITH NATIONAL PARTY STATEMENT
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has today released an email from the General Manager of the National Party that directly contradicts recent statements from the Prime Minister in relation to the 2011 breaches of Labour Party website databases. In his stand-up...
    Labour | 16-08
  • Labour committed to a healthier NZ for all
    A Labour Government will shift the focus of the health system from narrow targets and short term thinking to make public health and prevention a priority, Labour’s health spokesperson Annette King says. Releasing Labour’s full Health policy today she said...
    Labour | 15-08
  • Time Key took responsibility for Collins
    It is well past time for John Key to take some responsibility for the misuse of power and information by his Minister Judith Collins, and follow through on his last warning to her, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “The evidence released...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Dear John, time to answer a few questions… – Harawira
    “When Cameron Slater says about Kim Dotcom ‘I have lots on him…death by a thousand cuts…wait till you see what comes out in coming weeks on that fat c***t’, you have to ask whether this is the same Cameron Slater...
    Mana | 14-08
  • MANA CANDIDATE FOR IKAROA RAWHITI OPENS UP ABOUT SUICIDE
    “This week suicide has claimed yet more lives in whanau and communities in Ikaroa Rawhiti, and my heart goes out to those who are dealing with such a tragic loss”, says MANA candidate for Te Ikaroa Rawhiti, Te Hamua Nikora....
    Mana | 14-08
  • Offshore betting in Labour’s sights
    A Labour Government will clamp down on offshore gambling websites that deprive the local racing industry of funds, Labour’s Racing spokesperson Ross Robertson says. Releasing Labour’s racing policy today, he said betting on offshore websites is a major threat to...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Key has serious questions to answer on Dirty Politics
    John Key must answer the serious questions raised in Nicky Hager’s new book which reveal examples of dirty politics that New Zealanders will be deeply concerned about, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Many people will be disturbed by the evidence...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Creating an inclusive society for disabled people
    A Labour Government will provide free annual health checks for people with an intellectual disability, Labour’s Disability Issues spokesperson Ruth Dyson said today in announcing Labour’s Disability Issues policy. “We will also employ another 100 additional special education teachers and...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA name change
    This is to advise all media that on the 24th of July the ‘Mana’ party name was officially changed to ‘MANA Movement’ under the Electoral Act 1993.  The inclusion of the word ‘Movement’ in our name shouldn’t come as a surprise...
    Mana | 13-08
  • New Zealand must help in the growing Iraq crisis
    The humanitarian crisis in Iraq looks certain to get worse before it gets better,” said David Shearer Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson. “New Zealand should urgently pledge increased humanitarian assistance to United Nations agencies and NGOs present on the ground....
    Labour | 13-08
  • Allegations of migrant worker rort should be investigated
    Labour is calling for an investigation into the alleged exploitation of workers at Hutt Railway workshops, hired to repair asbestos-riddled DL locomotives. Hutt South Labour MP Trevor Mallard has written to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment asking that...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Medical and dentistry students get reprieve under Labour
    A Labour Government will restore the right of medical and dentistry students to get student loans after seven years of study because it is the right thing to do, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says. “Hard on the heels...
    Labour | 13-08
  • National must stop meddling with ACC before the election
    The redesign currently occurring at the Accident Claims Corporation (ACC) for sensitive claims needs to be put on hold immediately, said the Green Party today.The Green Party is concerned about work currently underway at ACC involving the sensitive claims service...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Markets slow but first home buyers still hurting
    First home buyers are hurting more than ever as the supply of affordable houses in the market dries up, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “The Reserve Bank will be happy LVR minimum deposits and rising interest rates have dampened...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Green Party celebrates MOU win on contaminated sites
    The Green Party is celebrating the announcement of a national register of contaminated sites today, and $2.5 million to start cleaning two sites up. The Green Party and the National Party agreed to include toxic site management work in their...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Emergency staff at breaking point
    The Southern DHB is so cash-strapped it is failing to fill nursing rosters, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson David Clark says.  “Every day emergency department nurses arrive at work knowing they are likely to be carrying more than their recommended workload. ...
    Labour | 12-08
  • ACC minister fails in mission to change culture
    The latest damning report by the Auditor General shows that the ACC Minister has failed to fulfil her mission to fix the sick culture at ACC and real change will not come till a new Government is elected, the Green...
    Greens | 12-08
  • Labour’s regional development fund to support Palmerston North
    Labour will consider a proposal to develop an inland port at Palmerston North, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The Palmerston North community has developed plans for an inland port which will bring jobs and economic growth to a region which...
    Labour | 12-08
  • Green Party announces priorities for Christchurch
    The Green Party has today announced its plan for a fairer, smarter and more democratic Canterbury rebuild, with a focus on smart transport solutions, restoring local democracy, and keeping Christchurch's assets.The plan sits across all of the Green Party's priorities...
    Greens | 11-08
  • Rock-star economy unplugged by China log jam
    The collapse of log prices due to oversupply in China threatens to wash the gloss off what remains of National's so-called rock-star economy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “Already this year the price of milk solids has plunged by more...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Young job seekers dealt a poor hand
    National's "keep 'em poor" card for young people on a benefit is a sorry substitute for job training, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Sue Moroney says.  The Government today announced it would extend its payment card scheme to all teen parents...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Labour – achieving change for Kiwi women
    Working towards being a world leader in eliminating violence against women and children will be a priority for a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Women’s Affairs policy today spokesperson Carol Beaumont said while Labour had a proud track record of achieving...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Accessible healthcare also affordable
      It is obvious from Tony Ryall’s hasty attack of Labour’s plans to extend free GP visits to older people that he hasn’t bothered to actually read the policy, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. "Mr Ryall’s response to Labour’s...
    Labour | 11-08
  • TDB Political Diary for 2014 Election
    Here are the political events TDB will be covering this election. I will be live tweeting these events and  blog reviews will follow the next day. Internet MANA launch – August – Sunday 24th – 1pm, Western Springs School Green...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • One man’s struggle to find a copy of Dirty Politics
    I’m typing this on top of Dirty Politics.  I got the last copy yesterday morning at the local branch of a chain bookshop.  I was really in to get the paper.  I know it sold out – everyone knows - but the first thing...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • From Tucker to Key – while you were out
      From Tucker to Key – while you were out...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Amnesty International – Justice is not Blind in Ferguson
    When a US cop pulls a gun on an unarmed man, he could be acting upon a series of impulses that have been formed since before he or she could talk. What does that police officer see in front of...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Putting an end to zero-hour contracts in 2015
    All around the world attention is being drawn to what have been dubbed in the UK “zero-hour contracts”. These are contracts that don’t have any guaranteed hours even though the worker may be regularly employed. Unite Union has been struggling...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • NZ’s Foreign Aid: The Party Policies Compared
    For the past two elections, I’ve cast my vote based on a single question, which party promises to give the most money in foreign aid? I grant that this is a fairly narrow and simplistic lens through which to judge...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Steering By The Real: Chris Trotter responds to Paul Buchanan
    WHEN ACADEMICS take to blogging the rest of us best be careful. And when they offer comment on the subject of dirty politics we should all pay attention. I will always remember my history lecturer, Dr Michael Cullen’s, confident dismissal...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Interview Between Selwyn Manning & Sean Plunket Over SIS Release of OIA...
    During a RadioLive interview between host Sean Plunket and managing director of Multimedia Investments Ltd, journalist Selwyn Manning, a fiery exchange developed after Plunket attempted to “wet flannel” the issue of whether the Prime Minister has been truthful over what...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • “Even though my hours are being cut, my rent doesn’t get cut to compens...
    Fast Food = Slow Pay   Lola is a manager at a major fast food chain. Last year her employer arbitrarily cut her hours from 32 hours to anywhere between 18 and 26 hours each week. “I said I can’t...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Hate Politics has no place in NZ Politics
    I wasn’t going to write about Nicky Hagar’s ‘Dirty Politics’.  There are plenty of policy issues to discuss. Then I read the book, and what it reveals strikes at the very heart of our democracy. My overwhelming feeling is one...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Pak’nSave pull adverts from Whaleoil
    Pak n Save have replied to complaints that their adverts were appearing on hate speech site Whaleoil by deciding to block their adverts from appearing on the site. Their reply… Congratulations for Pak’NSave on making this type of ethical stand. They...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Herald Poll – Why the Greens will hit 15%
    The biggest problem for John Key is that there are swathes of National Party voters who are educated and decent people whom will be forced to read Dirty Politics out of intellectual curiosity and will be horrified by what National...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Dirty Politics and Dirty Media
    The Nicky Hager book is mind blowing on so many levels. The revelations of government ministers and their staff colluding with vile and hateful schemers to attack other people, is truly ugly. When the dust settles on the illegalities, immoralities...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • “You just have to keep on fighting” – an interview with Metiria Turei
    We’re meeting in her office. It’s austere, though she does have a nice teapot. The view is startling. One can map the Bowen Triangle, though the teapot is still more interesting. A group of pink faced men are running across...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Taxation and Real Estate – turning housing debate on its head
    The debate about property prices in New Zealand is disingenuous. It is clear that there is a global process in which speculators are using massive amounts of unspent and borrowed money to blow bubbles in the world’s major asset markets....
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – Faith and politics
    In a week which has seen our collective focus shift to those who see politics as a great game to be manipulated for their own ends, it is timely to reflect on the fact that many people are in fact...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Government’s Own Guidelines Show John Key Would Have Been Informed Of SIS...
    Analysis by Selwyn Manning. INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ACQUIRED, sourced from the State Services Commission, states in black and white the tight guideline requirements that must be followed whenever the SIS informs a Prime Minister of any pending release of...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Simply Not Credible: Dr Tucker’s “clarifications” are only making thi...
    THAT DR WARREN TUCKER, Director of the Security Intelligence Service in 2011, agreed to the release of politically sensitive material – thereby intervening in an on-going contretemps between the leaders of the National and Labour parties – without receiving the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: Evidence of Collusion between the NZ Herald and Imm...
    . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the Herald...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Dear Canon NZ – Malevolence should induce revulsion, it shouldn’t be ce...
    Giovanni Tiso’s analysis on Slater is possibly the best in NZ… It’s been a good week for some of us. A week of feeling vindicated, offeeling galvanised. Where it goes from here will depend on several factors, some of which are largely...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • 5AA Australia: After Dirty Politics Can National Provide Stable Government?
    AS WE ALL KNOW New Zealanders and Australians do not like political parties that are unstable, or can no longer assure us that they are able to provide stable government. And the big question for Kiwis as we prepare to...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • SIS letter means it’s over for Key
    It’s over. I may not agree with all of Phil Goff’s positions, but you can’t question his integrity the way Slater did in Dirty Politics and not be deeply concerned that our Secret Intelligence Agency is being used for political...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • who to vote for in Epsom
    who to vote for in Epsom...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • The Rise and Fall of John Key – who will be the next leader of National P...
    . . It was all set to go: Teamkey would be the cult of personality that would do Stalin, Mao, Reagan, Thatcher, or any of the Nth Korean Kim Dynasty, proud.  National and it’s “Teamkey” propaganda strategy   would cash-in Big Time...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Who said Kiwis couldn’t get a fire in their bellies over an arcane intern...
    An amazing team of activists has taken the campaign on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) to local governments throughout the country. Their latest triumph came last Monday when the Dunedin City Council endorsed a resolution expressing concern about the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National’s Dangerous Education Agenda Exposed
    Putting aside the dirty politics coming out of the Beehive and the right-wing blogisphere, there are some very strong signals that another term of a National Government would do even more serious damage to the public education system. The Education...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • We can have clean politics and get our democracy back.
    Something is rotten in our politics and it stinks. Dirty politics has sadly become one of the defining features of this election campaign. In the light of recent revelations about the extent of nasty and disingenuous political strategies, it would...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Book burning copies of Hager’s book? The next generation of National Part...
    It seems we are getting the next generation of National Party Dirty Politics now. There are claims the Young Nats in Hamilton are buying up copies of Dirty Politics and burning them. One witness was contacted by the Waikato Times...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National Party Poetry Day Haiku
    Key’s inbox and Cam’s poison most foul, there he blows hoist by own harpoon...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Why Cunliffe will be the next PM
    David Cunliffe will be the next Prime Minister of NZ. Labour’s inclusive and positive TV adverts… …are in stark contrast to National’s team of white people powering away from the rabble of the ‘others’… …the messaging is vital and crucial...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • From smiling assassin to grumpy butcher – on giving Judith Collins a last...
    After #dirtypolitics Key isn’t the smiling assassin, he is the grumpy butcher. When he said Judith had  a ‘last chance’ he meant 1 second after voting closes on 20th September. Key would love nothing more than to cut Collins loose and end...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • If the National Party rowing advert was real….
    If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water. If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes. If the national Party rowing advert was real,...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Cameron Slater: Zionist and political pundit
    It is hard to know where to start with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater (Whale Oil), especially after the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics. This confirmed everything many of us thought Slater to be: a snivelling pundit who serves...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Bryce Edwards stood down from Herald for election season??? Are the editors...
    I only found this out via twitter last night and I am still in shock. Bryce Edwards, easily the best critical thinker and news analyst the NZ Herald has has been stood down by the NZ Herald ‘for the election...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • So who’s a “conspiracy theorist” now?!
    . . As the media storm over Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“,  and allegations over smear campaigns continue to swirl,  National’s spin doctors have given Key, Collins, and other National Party ministers a string of  phrases to use in all...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Momentum shift
    When you are deeply immersed in a local campaign sometimes it can be difficult to see the helicopter view.   I don’t know how accurate the political polls are and have always known that things can change quickly in politics...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Dear Toby Manhire. Bad call on backing Farrar
    Oh dear. I say this as someone who regards Toby Manhire as one of the smartest journalists/commentators/columnists this country has, and I think Toby has made a terribly dumb call here. Let’s see if Toby is still singing Farrar’s praises...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Radio NZ apologise to me for getting it wrong
    Radio NZ have contacted me, reviewed the claim by their host that I had an advance copy of Nicky Hager’s book and they have concluded they got it wrong, they have called me and apologised and will make a statement...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Reclaim UoA – Students’ Message to Steven Joyce
    Tertiary Education – we’ve been sold a lemon  A group of 30 students attended an event on Tuesday evening about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which the Minister of Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Can someone in the media please ask the PM of NZ to categorically deny any ...
    Now we see the MO of Slater & Co, the setting up, the digging for dirt, the use of staff to dig that dirt, can the Prime Minister of NZ categorically deny any National Party staff worked with Cam Slater...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Panic setting in for National as they realise what’s about to happen
    And the terror starts to set in. I’ve never seen blind panic like this before  and it’s spreading as the enormity of what’s about to happen starts to sink in. Hager’s book is a mere entree, Nicky’s personal ethics wouldn’t...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics: what the book ultimately reveals is abuse of powe...
    Guide to the many faces of John Key Nicky’s book is now doing what I suspected it would do, create a shockwave of revulsion. Andrew Geddis over at Pundit Blog sums up this attitude best, and it’s reverberations build with every...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Fancy taking children seriously
    Let’s see why all political parties should pay close attention to the Green Party’s policy for children. First, it is a comprehensive attempt to put children, not ideology, at the heart of family policy. Wow, children at the heart of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Amnesty International: Dear Azerbaijan, Stop Torture, Love Kiwi Kids
    This is a world where many adults often underestimate Generation Y. Being only a few years out of being a teenager myself, I feel I can make this statement with certainty. However, I have been the Youth Intern at Amnesty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GCSB meetings today in Christchurch 1pm at Uni 7pm at Cathedral
    The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. 1pm at Canterbury University bottom floor James Height Building: Chair: Bomber Bradbury Ruth Dyson – Labour Party...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about
    Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Guide to when Key is lying
    Guide to when Key is lying...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The State of the Student Nation …or is just Al...
    Students politics are dead and our student media is in terminal decline. The most disappointing thing about university is the politics, or should I say lack of? I was raised with the idea that students held the power.They were the...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Love Lifts Us Up: Thoughts from the Green Party’s campaign launch.
    Author Eleanor Catton wants people to give their party vote to the Greens.Photo by Peter Meecham NO ONE WAS QUITE SURE how he did it. Somehow Bob Harvey had persuaded the owners of the rights to Joe Cocker’s Up Where...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Test Stream
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    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Te Kuiti man imprisoned for images of young children
    A Te Kuiti man caught with pictures of children being sexually abused has been sentenced to ten months imprisonment. Sickness beneficiary Daniel James Parry, 35, appeared for sentence in the Tauranga District Court today (Friday) after pleading guilty...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Japan Maritime Training Squadron visit – Open Day, Band
    • The Japan Maritime Self-Defence Force Training Squadron will make port in Auckland from Wednesday 3 September to Saturday 6 September...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • MP Perk Transparency Needed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the increase in taxpayer-funded entitlements for MPs and their families published on the legislation website this afternoon . Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Debating the future of Auckland’s housing
    With only weeks until the General Election, Auckland’s mounting housing crisis will be put under the spotlight in an Election Debate hosted by the School of Architecture and Planning at the University of Auckland. The debate’s topic “Market forces...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Let’s sort this out – Human Rights Commission
    A Whangarei woman allegedly censured for greeting customers with Kia ora can get in touch with the Human Rights Commission says Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy. “We really need to resolve these kinds of issues. I had thought that...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Aged Care Association welcomes Labour’s wages policy
    The New Zealand Aged Care Association welcomes the Labour Party’s announcement that if elected, it will raise the minimum wage for aged care workers within its first 100 days in Government....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Honorary doctorate for Secretary-General of the UN
    An Honorary Doctor of Laws degree is to be bestowed on His Excellency Mr Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations, by the University of Auckland on Wednesday 3 September, both in recognition of his role as an international statesman...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Surveillance of Mr Upul Jayasuriya
    The New Zealand Bar Association joins the International Bar Association (IBA) and other Law Societies and Bar Associations worldwide over the reported surveillance of Mr Upul Jayasuriya, President of the Bar Association of Sri Lanka....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Bob Parker, China State Media and Tibet Forum
    Former Christchurch mayor was signed up to position statement without his knowledge; observed “happiness” in Tibet as Tibetan protesters elsewhere shot by security forces...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • “Walk the talk to reduce the wage gap”
    There’s just a few weeks left to convince the candidates of all political parties that reducing the wage gaps makes good sense....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Digital Currency on the Drawing Board
    Government policies and digital currency ideas and issues will come together at three public workshops next week....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • NZ Cycle Trail welcomes $8 million fund
    Government funding of $8 million to maintain and enhance the Great Rides of New Zealand will help ensure the trails are delivering the best possible visitor experience, says Evan Freshwater, Manager Nga Haerenga The New Zealand Cycle Trail Inc. (NZCT)....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Judges Comments Bonkers – McVicar
    Napier Conservative Party Candidate Garth McVicar is accusing a Judge of forgetting that he is the gate-keeper for the community and not a benevolent caregiver for law breakers. "The comments by this Judge are not just alarming, they're completely...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Oxfam: World must suspend arms sales to protect civilians
    As the New Zealand Government prepares to ratify the global Arms Trade Treaty, and after ceasefire talks collapsed and violence erupted yet again in Gaza yesterday, Oxfam is calling on all states to immediately suspend transfers of arms or ammunition...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Degrees in Picking up Rubbish
    Responding to the Fairfax media report of a University of Otago survey of Wellington’s street-connected walkways, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Another Union row
    “ The teachers union the NZEA is getting ready for another industrial dispute. These disputes now only occur in the government sector. National has no one to blame but themselves” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Whyte: Speech to Grey Power
    National’s failure to increase the age for super and reform health is a threat to every New Zealander’s security....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Local Govt should not go into business
    “No one should take any comfort from the fact that “Infracon”, a roading company in Tararua and Central Hawke's Bay, is to go into liquidation. This puts the future of more than 200 jobs in doubt. ACT sympathises with those...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Join the hikoi to end child poverty in New Zealand
    CPAG is calling on people across society to join a march from Britomart to Aotea Square in Auckland to demand action on child poverty in Aotearoa....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Ngapuhi Chair Says Enough of the Political Sideshow
    Time for side-shows to end so we can focus on future of our nation – Raniera (Sonny) Tau, Chairman, Te Runanga A Iwi O Ngapuhi...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Commissioner of Police v Kim Dotcom And Ors
    An order is made extending the duration of the registration of the restraining orders issued by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia on 10 and 25 January 2012 and registered in New Zealand on 18...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Labour Announcement on Future of Hillside Workshops Welcome
    Labour leader David Cunliffe’s announcement in Dunedin today that a government led by his party would re-open Hillside Railway workshops was welcomed by the Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU). ‘Since the workshops were shut down in late...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Primary teachers and principals vote to put kids first
    Teachers and principals have voted overwhelmingly against the Government’s controversial “Investing in Educational Success” policy, including proposed highly-paid principal and teacher roles....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunkett: Educating for Success
    In all the turmoil stirred up by the "Dirty Politics" revelations, the real issues that the campaign should be about have been put to one side....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Dirty Politics – Number One Bestseller and Back in Stores
    An exposé of the hidden side of New Zealand politics, Nicky Hager's book, Dirty Politics , has been in hot demand since its release last Wednesday....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Epsom: profiling NZ’s most controversial electorate
    Welcome to the wealthy inner Auckland electorate of Epsom: home of coat-tailing, the Tea Tapes, a convicted outgoing MP... and heavy newspaper and magazine readership....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Families Free From Violence campaign and website
    We are pleased to announce the launch of our Families Free From Violence campaign and our new Families Free From Violence website. This website has been created to encourage people to take responsibility for ending family violence by seeking help...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • PSA And DHBs Reach Settlement on Five Collective Agreements
    The 20 District Health Boards are pleased to reach settlement via mediation on five Multi Employer Collective Agreements (MECAs) with the Public Service Association for 12,000 mental and public health nurses, allied, public health and technical staff,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Refusal to complete census results in 46 convictions
    Failing to fill out a census form has resulted in the convictions of 46 people, Statistics New Zealand said today....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Council Amalgamations Still Bad Deal
    Northland, Bay of Plenty, and Wellington ratepayers should not be seduced into accepting the amalgamation of their Councils by a recent amendment to legislation allowing for local boards not community boards, Chris Leitch, Democrats for Social Credit...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • DHB industrial action withdrawn
    The Public Service Association (PSA) has withdrawn notices of industrial action covering 12,000 health workers at District Health Boards (DHBs) across New Zealand, after progress was made in mediation....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Aged Care Pledge Needs Better Target, Says Care Agency
    Labour’s pledge to set up an aged care working group to address industry concerns is good to see, but appears to skirt the obvious issue of a looming lack of beds and carers for our rapidly growing elderly population, says...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Social inequality still rife in New Zealand
    Social inequality has worsened over the past decade in New Zealand, a new study from Victoria University of Wellington shows....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Working towards a living wage and more Māori in paid work
    The Māori Party will build on the gains it has already achieved in Government and accelerate job opportunities particularly for young Māori....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Deepwater Group Supports Changes to Catch Limits
    The Deepwater Group says the increase in the Total Allowable Commercial Catch for hoki shows the benefits of a long term commitment to build biomass in this major New Zealand fishery....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Ohariu candidate Sean Fitzpatrick
    “Our Ohariu candidate will be Sean Fitzpatrick. Sean has strong ties to the region and I’m glad to hear he will be doing his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the area,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Tauranga candidate Stuart Pederson
    “Our Tauranga candidate will be Stuart Pedersen. Stuart has strong ties to Tauranga and I’m glad he has agreed to do his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the electorate,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party scores massive own goal
    Green Party scores massive own goal as their own policy auditor criticises their fiscal plan...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party’s own Auditor of their Budget finds it dodgy
    “The Alternative Budget released by the Green's does not even stack up in the eyes of their chosen auditor – Infometrics” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • New shark finning laws fall short for threatened species
    Environmental groups are welcoming some aspects of a raft of law changes announced today in relation to shark finning, but say that overall the chance for New Zealand to catch up with international efforts in shark conservation is being missed....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Promoting Labour’s Positive Policies
    General Secretary of the New Zealand Labour Party, Tim Barnett, today launched Labour’s television advertisements for the 2014 election. The advertisements help tell Labour’s positive story for a better New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug Court: Rare Insight into New Alternative Justice Model
    Māori Television’s latest New Zealand documentary presents a fascinating look inside a new alternative justice model – through the stories of convicted criminals....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Political parties pledge to increase overseas aid
    A survey of political parties looking at how much New Zealand should spend on Official Development Assistance (ODA) shows the overwhelming majority of parties are committed to raising the bar according to the Council for International Development (CID)....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Top Kiwis backing Tip the Scales campaign
    Sir Graham Henry, former All Black Kees Meeuws, singer-song writer Jamie McDell and fishing guru Matt Watson have pledged their support to Tip the Scales, a pre-election campaign generating public support for rebuilding New Zealand’s depleted inshore...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Maritime Union continues to press over dirty politics
    Maritime Union National President Garry Parsloe says Ports of Auckland management is trying to get off the hook from its involvement with extreme right wing bloggers during the Ports of Auckland dispute....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • No end in sight to overwhelming human cost of conflict
    Two ceasefires have brought some respite to civilians in Gaza and southern Israel, amid hope that a durable cessation of hostilities might occur. In Gaza, these breaks in the fighting have barely given people enough time to seek medical care,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Young Kiwi speakers to represent NZ at Gallipoli 2015
    The RSA is delighted at the announcement made by Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Woodhouse today, that all eight regional finalists of the 2015 ANZ RSA Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition will be included in a group of 25 Youth Ambassadors...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • “Bromance” Marriage Stunt Insulting Says LegaliseLove
    A promotional competition asking two best mates to get married in order to win an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup is insulting, marriage equality campaign LegaliseLove Aotearoa claims....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Cannabis Party first to register for 2014 General Election
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party became the first party to register for the 2014 General Election today, when it meet with the Electoral Commission in Wellington at Midday....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • PGA: Addresses NZ’s ratification of Arms Trade Treaty
    President of Parliamentarians for Global Action and New Zealand MP Ross Robertson today addressed a celebration to mark New Zealand’s imminent ratification of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), which is expected within the next few weeks....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
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