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		<title>By: The Greens &#171; the Nicholas O&#8217;Kane blog</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-27246</link>
		<dc:creator>The Greens &#171; the Nicholas O&#8217;Kane blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  After disscussing their list, lets take a look at the challenges facing the Greens this election. The Standard already has a good post on this, which is well worth a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25165</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oob. this stuff http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0803/S00483.htm has to go. It&#039;s too cutsie, that means political reporters treat the Greens as a bit of a joke, and people do not vote for a party that is consistently portrayed as a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oob. this stuff <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0803/S00483.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0803/S00483.htm</a> has to go. It&#8217;s too cutsie, that means political reporters treat the Greens as a bit of a joke, and people do not vote for a party that is consistently portrayed as a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25123</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oob. I know the Greens have policy, in fact it&#039;s very comphrensive stuff, but we&#039;re talking about the package you present at the election. It has to be a package that will make people sit up and take notice, and its got to be above the &#039;solar water heaters&#039; &#039;buy nz made&#039; level (not saying those aren&#039;t good, they&#039;re just small beer)to get votes. 

A billion dollar energy independence programme promising assistance for energy efficency and more renewable generation, and a world leading renewable research programme -that&#039;s the stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oob. I know the Greens have policy, in fact it&#8217;s very comphrensive stuff, but we&#8217;re talking about the package you present at the election. It has to be a package that will make people sit up and take notice, and its got to be above the &#8216;solar water heaters&#8217; &#8216;buy nz made&#8217; level (not saying those aren&#8217;t good, they&#8217;re just small beer)to get votes. </p>
<p>A billion dollar energy independence programme promising assistance for energy efficency and more renewable generation, and a world leading renewable research programme -that&#8217;s the stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: r0b</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25119</link>
		<dc:creator>r0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; Sorry r0b, it was late-ish and my coherence module was shutting down. &lt;/em&gt; 

Hmmm - I get that too.

&lt;em&gt; I&#039;d rather have the party back in parliament than unelected owing to excessive idealism. &lt;/em&gt;

The whole pragmatism vs idealism thing is such a messy debate (Ralph Nader anyone?), but the older I get the more I opt for pragmatism, so, agreed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> Sorry r0b, it was late-ish and my coherence module was shutting down. </em> </p>
<p>Hmmm &#8211; I get that too.</p>
<p><em> I&#8217;d rather have the party back in parliament than unelected owing to excessive idealism. </em></p>
<p>The whole pragmatism vs idealism thing is such a messy debate (Ralph Nader anyone?), but the older I get the more I opt for pragmatism, so, agreed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25118</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How up to date is that though?? Also, where&#039;s defence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How up to date is that though?? Also, where&#8217;s defence?</p>
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		<title>By: outofbed</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25113</link>
		<dc:creator>outofbed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Policy ? We got policy
http://www.greens.org.nz/docs/policy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Policy ? We got policy<br />
<a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/docs/policy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.greens.org.nz/docs/policy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pierson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25111</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>outofbed. I think it is important that the Greens view themselves as one of the big boys - come out with a policy platform on the scale of what a big party would present. No more small beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outofbed. I think it is important that the Greens view themselves as one of the big boys &#8211; come out with a policy platform on the scale of what a big party would present. No more small beer.</p>
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		<title>By: outofbed</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25101</link>
		<dc:creator>outofbed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the Greens will present themselves more pragmatically at this years Election. There seems to be a positive feeling that the Party has come of age.
Watch for the Party list to come out in a few weeks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the Greens will present themselves more pragmatically at this years Election. There seems to be a positive feeling that the Party has come of age.<br />
Watch for the Party list to come out in a few weeks</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t think the carbon taxes are considered a viable option with the government&#039;s commitment to the emissions trading program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think the carbon taxes are considered a viable option with the government&#8217;s commitment to the emissions trading program.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25080</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, perhaps you could refrain from commenting when you don&#039;t know shit?

The Greens were established in 1990, and gained nearly 7% of the vote at that year&#039;s election.

The Alliance (there&#039;s a clue in the name), was formed in 1991 out of New Labour, Green, Democrats, Mana Motuhake and some other bunch.  The Greens had three MPs in the Alliance caucus in the 1996-99 parliament.  The decision to leave the Alliance was made in 1997, after Shipley had rolled Bolger but before she became PM, hardly prior to the 1999 election.  (Though I assume your point is that the Greens were well served by the attacks made on them by the Nats under Shipley in 1999 when Fitzsimons won in Coromandel)

http://greens.org.nz/about/history.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_New_Zealand

FWIW, I will be voting Green and I don&#039;t expect the party to go into coalition with the Tories.  I&#039;d like to see some big ideas, certainly around corporate tax and carbon taxes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, perhaps you could refrain from commenting when you don&#8217;t know shit?</p>
<p>The Greens were established in 1990, and gained nearly 7% of the vote at that year&#8217;s election.</p>
<p>The Alliance (there&#8217;s a clue in the name), was formed in 1991 out of New Labour, Green, Democrats, Mana Motuhake and some other bunch.  The Greens had three MPs in the Alliance caucus in the 1996-99 parliament.  The decision to leave the Alliance was made in 1997, after Shipley had rolled Bolger but before she became PM, hardly prior to the 1999 election.  (Though I assume your point is that the Greens were well served by the attacks made on them by the Nats under Shipley in 1999 when Fitzsimons won in Coromandel)</p>
<p><a href="http://greens.org.nz/about/history.htm" rel="nofollow">http://greens.org.nz/about/history.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_New_Zealand" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_New_Zealand</a></p>
<p>FWIW, I will be voting Green and I don&#8217;t expect the party to go into coalition with the Tories.  I&#8217;d like to see some big ideas, certainly around corporate tax and carbon taxes</p>
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		<title>By: K1</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25079</link>
		<dc:creator>K1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry r0b, it was late-ish and my coherence module was shutting down. I suppose I meant something like &quot;Getting elected on a increasingly difficult environmental message is hard enough, why make it harder?&quot;

I&#039;m an ex-card-carrying Greens member, yet a firm greenie at heart. I&#039;m not mortally offended by the party or anything, just have some doubts about whether they have lost their way a bit lately, and deciding how much I want to be back in the fold. I&#039;m also firmly on the side of the social responsibility message, but politics is the art of the possible, and I&#039;d rather have the party back in parliament than unelected owing to excessive idealism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry r0b, it was late-ish and my coherence module was shutting down. I suppose I meant something like &#8220;Getting elected on a increasingly difficult environmental message is hard enough, why make it harder?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an ex-card-carrying Greens member, yet a firm greenie at heart. I&#8217;m not mortally offended by the party or anything, just have some doubts about whether they have lost their way a bit lately, and deciding how much I want to be back in the fold. I&#8217;m also firmly on the side of the social responsibility message, but politics is the art of the possible, and I&#8217;d rather have the party back in parliament than unelected owing to excessive idealism.</p>
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		<title>By: r0b</title>
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		<dc:creator>r0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K1, at first you chide the Greens to not startle the horses, and stick to core environmental stuff to get elected.  Then you say that we don&#039;t tend to elect pollies that tell difficult truths (which the core environmental stuff surely is!).  What&#039;s a poor Green to do?  Serious question, I&#039;m interested in your suggestions.

&lt;em&gt; My biggest fear is that the Greens don&#039;t yet understand the magnitude of this &lt;/em&gt;

I think arguably the Greens (and only the Greens) have understood it for a very long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K1, at first you chide the Greens to not startle the horses, and stick to core environmental stuff to get elected.  Then you say that we don&#8217;t tend to elect pollies that tell difficult truths (which the core environmental stuff surely is!).  What&#8217;s a poor Green to do?  Serious question, I&#8217;m interested in your suggestions.</p>
<p><em> My biggest fear is that the Greens don&#8217;t yet understand the magnitude of this </em></p>
<p>I think arguably the Greens (and only the Greens) have understood it for a very long time.</p>
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		<title>By: K1</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-i-were-the-greens-campaign-strategist/comment-page-1/#comment-25054</link>
		<dc:creator>K1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>outofbed, the social responsibility principle is sound, but the message is alienating for many on the centre fringe. Maybe we in NZ collectively don&#039;t have the political maturity yet to fully understand the whole Green message, and sticking to hard enviro stuff is a good way to repair much needed cred. I&#039;d rather have the party elected on a subset of it&#039;s issues, carefully presented, than not in parliament at all.

Bad presentation also ruins good content, and the generally good Green policy base is lost on Joe and Jane Public as a result. More aggressive PR management is definitely called for prior to the election, depicting the Greens as a realistic, pragmatic party of solutions, not as kooks and weirdos without a shred of practicality. Proposing to nationalise everything but the kitchen sink won&#039;t help this, IMO, any more than the anti-smacking issue did - irrespective of whether it&#039;s good policy or not. The most common perception of the Greens that I encounter is &quot;meddlesome nanny-state ban-everything sandal-and-kaftan-wearers anti-progress Labour&#039;s lapdogs blardy Sue Bradford none-of-her-business-whether-I-smack-my-kids-or-not...&quot; This must be eradicated and replaced with what the Greens really are (or should be): upbeat, positive, economically alternative (but realistic), non-luddite eco-techs, brave, honest, fair, visionary...

A fundamental problem though is that the Greens do have the fortitude to face up to the big issues like Peak Oil and Global Weirding, which don&#039;t have much in the way of public relations upside... history shows we don&#039;t tend to elect politicians that tell us difficult truths. The environmental message generally is one of profound change, so it&#039;s profoundly uncomfortable. Countering this is hard work, and not for the faint of heart. My biggest fear is that the Greens don&#039;t yet understand the magnitude of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outofbed, the social responsibility principle is sound, but the message is alienating for many on the centre fringe. Maybe we in NZ collectively don&#8217;t have the political maturity yet to fully understand the whole Green message, and sticking to hard enviro stuff is a good way to repair much needed cred. I&#8217;d rather have the party elected on a subset of it&#8217;s issues, carefully presented, than not in parliament at all.</p>
<p>Bad presentation also ruins good content, and the generally good Green policy base is lost on Joe and Jane Public as a result. More aggressive PR management is definitely called for prior to the election, depicting the Greens as a realistic, pragmatic party of solutions, not as kooks and weirdos without a shred of practicality. Proposing to nationalise everything but the kitchen sink won&#8217;t help this, IMO, any more than the anti-smacking issue did &#8211; irrespective of whether it&#8217;s good policy or not. The most common perception of the Greens that I encounter is &#8220;meddlesome nanny-state ban-everything sandal-and-kaftan-wearers anti-progress Labour&#8217;s lapdogs blardy Sue Bradford none-of-her-business-whether-I-smack-my-kids-or-not&#8230;&#8221; This must be eradicated and replaced with what the Greens really are (or should be): upbeat, positive, economically alternative (but realistic), non-luddite eco-techs, brave, honest, fair, visionary&#8230;</p>
<p>A fundamental problem though is that the Greens do have the fortitude to face up to the big issues like Peak Oil and Global Weirding, which don&#8217;t have much in the way of public relations upside&#8230; history shows we don&#8217;t tend to elect politicians that tell us difficult truths. The environmental message generally is one of profound change, so it&#8217;s profoundly uncomfortable. Countering this is hard work, and not for the faint of heart. My biggest fear is that the Greens don&#8217;t yet understand the magnitude of this.</p>
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		<title>By: outofbed</title>
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		<dc:creator>outofbed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But as the worlds resources are finite we have to have a mechanism to share those resources.
The environmental problems we face  can not be addressed in isolation.

Why do you think that they are knitting ?
The Greens support base is mostly made up from highly educated white collar workers, whilst some of those may indeed knit I don&#039;t think its an accurate way to define the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But as the worlds resources are finite we have to have a mechanism to share those resources.<br />
The environmental problems we face  can not be addressed in isolation.</p>
<p>Why do you think that they are knitting ?<br />
The Greens support base is mostly made up from highly educated white collar workers, whilst some of those may indeed knit I don&#8217;t think its an accurate way to define the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And therein lies the problem.  They can not solve the problems of the world, so they should stick to their knitting.  The social responsibility agenda is drowning out the environmental agenda and turning off alot of voters who are concerned about the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And therein lies the problem.  They can not solve the problems of the world, so they should stick to their knitting.  The social responsibility agenda is drowning out the environmental agenda and turning off alot of voters who are concerned about the environment.</p>
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