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	<title>Comments on: Poneke: If only scientists were more like god&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Understanding the Scientific Method</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-only-scientists-were-more-like-god/comment-page-1/#comment-190203</link>
		<dc:creator>Understanding the Scientific Method</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-only-scientists-were-more-like-god/comment-page-1/#comment-189921</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is why I didn&#039;t bother with most of the detail in the Ponekes post. They and others had covered it pretty throughly. I was more irritated about the assumptions about how science operates. Perfection isn&#039;t what scientists are interested in, it is the skeptical questioning of assumptions (and data) that is the norm. 

Open Parachute had a amusing post on that topic &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/i-thought-the-award-for-mistakes-was-mine/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I thought the award for mistakes was mine!&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;One of my old papers has far more errors than the IPCC reports. These were all misspellings of my own name in the reference list.

Bloody spell checkers!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At least I usually write code far more than writing english, so at least the language and syntax gets checked by a compiler with no sense of humour and a fetish for valid machine code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is why I didn&#8217;t bother with most of the detail in the Ponekes post. They and others had covered it pretty throughly. I was more irritated about the assumptions about how science operates. Perfection isn&#8217;t what scientists are interested in, it is the skeptical questioning of assumptions (and data) that is the norm. </p>
<p>Open Parachute had a amusing post on that topic &#8220;<a href="http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/i-thought-the-award-for-mistakes-was-mine/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">I thought the award for mistakes was mine!</a>&#8220;.</p>
<blockquote><p>One of my old papers has far more errors than the IPCC reports. These were all misspellings of my own name in the reference list.</p>
<p>Bloody spell checkers!</p></blockquote>
<p>At least I usually write code far more than writing english, so at least the language and syntax gets checked by a compiler with no sense of humour and a fetish for valid machine code.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-only-scientists-were-more-like-god/comment-page-1/#comment-189790</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nah q. 

If the IPCC do something dumb that makes no difference to the underlying science ----- they are completely discredited.

If a CCD walks into the room with his underpants on his head and declares that &#039;therefore AGW is false&#039; ---- laughing at him proves that AGW is completely discredited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nah q. </p>
<p>If the IPCC do something dumb that makes no difference to the underlying science &#8212;&#8211; they are completely discredited.</p>
<p>If a CCD walks into the room with his underpants on his head and declares that &#8216;therefore AGW is false&#8217; &#8212;- laughing at him proves that AGW is completely discredited.</p>
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		<title>By: Bomber</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-only-scientists-were-more-like-god/comment-page-1/#comment-189778</link>
		<dc:creator>Bomber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post - Hot Topic also did a great job of debunking much of what the Pon wrote as well - http://tumeke.blogspot.com/2010/01/poneke-climate-denial-deserves-contempt.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post &#8211; Hot Topic also did a great job of debunking much of what the Pon wrote as well &#8211; <a href="http://tumeke.blogspot.com/2010/01/poneke-climate-denial-deserves-contempt.html" rel="nofollow">http://tumeke.blogspot.com/2010/01/poneke-climate-denial-deserves-contempt.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-only-scientists-were-more-like-god/comment-page-1/#comment-189761</link>
		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ve sussed it - the trolls here have no ability to understand the science but are quite capable of cutting and pasting from that clown Wishart&#039;s science fiction classic. How much damage to understanding and searching for a solution has that godless slave to the love of money done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ve sussed it &#8211; the trolls here have no ability to understand the science but are quite capable of cutting and pasting from that clown Wishart&#8217;s science fiction classic. How much damage to understanding and searching for a solution has that godless slave to the love of money done?</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-only-scientists-were-more-like-god/comment-page-1/#comment-189753</link>
		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t read Poneke anymore.  His irrationality in the face of dispute, and censorship of people commenting well within his policies tarnish all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t read Poneke anymore.  His irrationality in the face of dispute, and censorship of people commenting well within his policies tarnish all</p>
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		<title>By: Cedric Katesby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cedric Katesby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ TightyRighty 

&lt;i&gt;...did you actually go and read what Dr Roy is saying? he is a scientist, and used to work for NASA, so should be a good one too.&lt;/i&gt;

So you are impressed by a single scientist that USED to work for NASA?
Wonderful.
:)
Then you&#039;ll no doubt be really, really REALLY impressed by thousands of scientists who work for NASA....right now!
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read what NASA as to say on global warming.
They&#039;re quite clear on the subject.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TightyRighty </p>
<p><i>&#8230;did you actually go and read what Dr Roy is saying? he is a scientist, and used to work for NASA, so should be a good one too.</i></p>
<p>So you are impressed by a single scientist that USED to work for NASA?<br />
Wonderful.<br />
 <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Then you&#8217;ll no doubt be really, really REALLY impressed by thousands of scientists who work for NASA&#8230;.right now!<br />
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html" rel="nofollow">Read what NASA as to say on global warming.<br />
They&#8217;re quite clear on the subject.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Macro</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-only-scientists-were-more-like-god/comment-page-1/#comment-189644</link>
		<dc:creator>Macro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ts - instead of &quot;researching&quot; denialist sites you could spend your time far more profitably reading sites in which some real scientists congregate and offer their opinions.
http://www.realclimate.org/
and 
http://climateprogress.org/
for a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ts &#8211; instead of &#8220;researching&#8221; denialist sites you could spend your time far more profitably reading sites in which some real scientists congregate and offer their opinions.<br />
<a href="http://www.realclimate.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://climateprogress.org/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/</a><br />
for a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Macro</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-only-scientists-were-more-like-god/comment-page-1/#comment-189638</link>
		<dc:creator>Macro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok so lets look at some of those assertions by David Rose in the Daily Mail

&quot;According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007  and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.&quot;

UTTER BULLSHIT!

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2010/020310.html

Here&#039;s what they actually say - you can read it for yourself in the link above.

&quot;Arctic sea ice extent averaged for January 2010 was 13.78 million square kilometers (5.32 million square miles). This was 1.08 million square kilometers (417,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average for January, but 180,000 square kilometers (69,000 square miles) above the record low for the month, which occurred in January 2006.

Ice extent remained below normal over much of the Atlantic sector of the Arctic, including the Barents Sea, part of the East Greenland Sea, and in Davis Strait. The only region with above-average ice extent was on the Pacific side of the Bering Sea.&quot;

If you continue to read what the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre say you will see that 

&quot;Analysis of data from the last three decades shows that the summer Arctic sea ice melt season now lasts nearly a month longer than it did in the 1980s. A later start of freeze-up and an earlier start to the melt season both contribute to the change.&quot;

Hardly the start of the mini ice age and a total MISREPRESENTATION of what the scientists are saying.In fact they go on to say that the ice is disappearing at the rate of around 3.2% in January (supposedly the coldest month in the Artic winter) per decade at the present time.

David Rose again
&quot;They say that their research shows that much of the warming was caused by oceanic cycles when they were in a â€˜warm mode&#039; as opposed to the present â€˜cold mode&#039;.&quot;

A complete misinterpretation of the Artic Oscillation. The effect of which of which is presented by Iprent in the graphic to this post, and which he goes at some length to explain. 

From these two examples alone, if you take anything that David Rose says as true -  then you are being very stupid indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok so lets look at some of those assertions by David Rose in the Daily Mail</p>
<p>&#8220;According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007  and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.&#8221;</p>
<p>UTTER BULLSHIT!</p>
<p><a href="http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2010/020310.html" rel="nofollow">http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2010/020310.html</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what they actually say &#8211; you can read it for yourself in the link above.</p>
<p>&#8220;Arctic sea ice extent averaged for January 2010 was 13.78 million square kilometers (5.32 million square miles). This was 1.08 million square kilometers (417,000 square miles) below the 1979 to 2000 average for January, but 180,000 square kilometers (69,000 square miles) above the record low for the month, which occurred in January 2006.</p>
<p>Ice extent remained below normal over much of the Atlantic sector of the Arctic, including the Barents Sea, part of the East Greenland Sea, and in Davis Strait. The only region with above-average ice extent was on the Pacific side of the Bering Sea.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you continue to read what the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre say you will see that </p>
<p>&#8220;Analysis of data from the last three decades shows that the summer Arctic sea ice melt season now lasts nearly a month longer than it did in the 1980s. A later start of freeze-up and an earlier start to the melt season both contribute to the change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hardly the start of the mini ice age and a total MISREPRESENTATION of what the scientists are saying.In fact they go on to say that the ice is disappearing at the rate of around 3.2% in January (supposedly the coldest month in the Artic winter) per decade at the present time.</p>
<p>David Rose again<br />
&#8220;They say that their research shows that much of the warming was caused by oceanic cycles when they were in a â€˜warm mode&#8217; as opposed to the present â€˜cold mode&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>A complete misinterpretation of the Artic Oscillation. The effect of which of which is presented by Iprent in the graphic to this post, and which he goes at some length to explain. </p>
<p>From these two examples alone, if you take anything that David Rose says as true &#8211;  then you are being very stupid indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Macro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The largest, most voluble group of CCDs are the over 60&#039;s, white males. Any science they learnt was a very long time ago, poorly remembered and way out of date. But that alone does not explain their behaviour.&quot;

Now lookie here sonny! I&#039;m white, male, and over 60 and so is  Dr Jim S. And I think we could take offence at your stereotyping. Ageism is alive and well and living on the Standard!

By the way - a very good summary of the scientific process Lynn.

It is a sad commentary on the standard of journos in this country that almost everything they write or talk about is based NOT on the content of the issue - but on the personalities behind it. &quot;Is Phil Goff going to win votes with this speach?&quot; &quot;Is his leadership under threat?&quot; &quot;Here&#039;s John Key at the concert - will this win him a few votes&quot; etc etc.....
I have no faith in any journalist today to actually report accurately or discuss an issue without them delving into personalities if they even deal with the issue at all! They seem to be only concerned about gamesmanship. Quite frankly the sooner newspapers bite the dust as they ultimately will - they are becoming less and less important every day and less and less financially viable - the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The largest, most voluble group of CCDs are the over 60&#8242;s, white males. Any science they learnt was a very long time ago, poorly remembered and way out of date. But that alone does not explain their behaviour.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now lookie here sonny! I&#8217;m white, male, and over 60 and so is  Dr Jim S. And I think we could take offence at your stereotyping. Ageism is alive and well and living on the Standard!</p>
<p>By the way &#8211; a very good summary of the scientific process Lynn.</p>
<p>It is a sad commentary on the standard of journos in this country that almost everything they write or talk about is based NOT on the content of the issue &#8211; but on the personalities behind it. &#8220;Is Phil Goff going to win votes with this speach?&#8221; &#8220;Is his leadership under threat?&#8221; &#8220;Here&#8217;s John Key at the concert &#8211; will this win him a few votes&#8221; etc etc&#8230;..<br />
I have no faith in any journalist today to actually report accurately or discuss an issue without them delving into personalities if they even deal with the issue at all! They seem to be only concerned about gamesmanship. Quite frankly the sooner newspapers bite the dust as they ultimately will &#8211; they are becoming less and less important every day and less and less financially viable &#8211; the better.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
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		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All documents have errors in them if you obsess over them enough. Scientific ones are no exception. The area you&#039;re describing was in a descriptive portion of the report and yes, more care should be taken. However the inaccurate value changes nothing in the findings of the report.

Scientists are not gods. They are human. So your point is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All documents have errors in them if you obsess over them enough. Scientific ones are no exception. The area you&#8217;re describing was in a descriptive portion of the report and yes, more care should be taken. However the inaccurate value changes nothing in the findings of the report.</p>
<p>Scientists are not gods. They are human. So your point is?</p>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should the Apostles of Denialism frequenting this board be allowed to ask questions before they have explained the past failings of those they base their current beliefs upon?

&lt;blockquote&gt;According to an August 12, 2005 New York Times article, Spencer, along with another well-known &quot;skeptic,&quot; John Christy, admitted they made a mistake in their satellite data research that they said demonstrated a cooling in the troposphere (the earth&#039;s lowest layer of atmosphere). It turned out that the exact opposite was occurring and the troposphere was getting warmer.

&quot;These papers should lay to rest once and for all the claims by John Christy, Spencer and other global warming skeptics that a disagreement between tropospheric and surface temperature trends means that there are problems with surface temperature records or with climate models,&#039; said Alan Robock, a meteorologist at Rutgers University.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should the Apostles of Denialism frequenting this board be allowed to ask questions before they have explained the past failings of those they base their current beliefs upon?</p>
<blockquote><p>According to an August 12, 2005 New York Times article, Spencer, along with another well-known &#8220;skeptic,&#8221; John Christy, admitted they made a mistake in their satellite data research that they said demonstrated a cooling in the troposphere (the earth&#8217;s lowest layer of atmosphere). It turned out that the exact opposite was occurring and the troposphere was getting warmer.</p>
<p>&#8220;These papers should lay to rest once and for all the claims by John Christy, Spencer and other global warming skeptics that a disagreement between tropospheric and surface temperature trends means that there are problems with surface temperature records or with climate models,&#8217; said Alan Robock, a meteorologist at Rutgers University.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Sonny Blount</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/if-only-scientists-were-more-like-god/comment-page-1/#comment-189577</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny Blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should a document of the import of the IPCC AR4 have mistakes like this in it?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.8d6e5773c60565dfc6e882b0a8dcbf18.4e1&amp;show_article=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should a document of the import of the IPCC AR4 have mistakes like this in it?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.8d6e5773c60565dfc6e882b0a8dcbf18.4e1&#038;show_article=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.8d6e5773c60565dfc6e882b0a8dcbf18.4e1&#038;show_article=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sonny Blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonny Blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you&#039;re so inaccurate on a basic factor like that  why bother pretending you understand the science?&quot;

The same could be said of the IPCC:

&lt;strong&gt;[deleted]
[lprent: There is no reason to put the same link in twice in the same topic unless you&#039;re making a different point. I tend to regard that as a symptom of link whoring. ]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you&#8217;re so inaccurate on a basic factor like that  why bother pretending you understand the science?&#8221;</p>
<p>The same could be said of the IPCC:</p>
<p><strong>[deleted]<br />
[lprent: There is no reason to put the same link in twice in the same topic unless you're making a different point. I tend to regard that as a symptom of link whoring. ]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: quenchino</title>
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		<dc:creator>quenchino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I read it ages ago. Spencer has been hammered all over the park:

&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/05/how-to-cook-a-graph-in-three-easy-lessons/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&#039;http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/spencers-folly/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;Are you sure that adding more means a linear increase in warming. There is an argument that the effect of C02 reduces in a logarithmic fashion as C02 increases. &lt;/em&gt;

Umm yes that is &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/06/a-saturated-gassy-argument/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climate 101&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I read it ages ago. Spencer has been hammered all over the park:</p>
<p><a href='http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/05/how-to-cook-a-graph-in-three-easy-lessons/' rel="nofollow">Here</a> and <a href='http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/spencers-folly/' rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p><em>Are you sure that adding more means a linear increase in warming. There is an argument that the effect of C02 reduces in a logarithmic fashion as C02 increases. </em></p>
<p>Umm yes that is <a href='http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/06/a-saturated-gassy-argument/' rel="nofollow">Climate 101</a>.</p>
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