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Incoherent education policy

Written By: - Date published: 8:22 am, August 3rd, 2012 - 211 comments
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The Nats forced perfectly good state schools to use national standards as a “solution” to the problem that some kids (they claim 1 in 5) leave school without a formal qualification:

[Tolley] “New Zealand elected a Government that promised to introduce national standards so that every single child could read, write, and do maths when they left school. That is what the country voted for. No matter what the briefings say, no matter what the Opposition may say now, almost one in five children failed.”

Now the Nats are ramming through charter schools, supposedly as a solution to the same problem:

[Key] “The schooling system is failing some kids and we need to try some different things.”… Ms Parata said the charter schools would target the one-in-five students who currently leave school without an appropriate education or qualifications.

But charter schools don’t need to use national standards:

However, they will be able to determine whether they operate under the National standards programme and offer NCEA qualifications or adopt an “alternative curriculum framework”.

So – ahhhh – WTF? The right hand of National’s education policy doesn’t know what the far-right hand is up to. Unless, of course, these aren’t really “education” policies at all.

211 comments on “Incoherent education policy”

  1. Wyndham 1

    The so-called charter schools are nothing more than a sop to John Banks and the tattered remnants of the Act Party.

    • Olwyn 1.1

      Given that they were not even mentioned until the coalition talks, they look more like the use of ACT to get policies favoured by “our sponsors” in, without having to first convince the public.

      • Gosman 1.1.1

        ACT has always been in favour of more choice and independence in Schooling. It is not true to state that Charter Schools don’t match their philosophy.

        • Te Reo Putake 1.1.1.1

          Who’s saying it doesn’t match ACT’s philosophy, Gos? It’s a rubbish proposal, so, from my perspective, it perfectly matches everything ACT stands for.

          • Gosman 1.1.1.1.1

            It is a trial and there is evidence that Charter Schools make a positive difference to those the current system fails.

            • Carol 1.1.1.1.1.1

              Great. So they are experimenting with children.

              Which they don’t need to do, because there is plenty of evidence that most Charter Schools don’t work, and when they do, the same approach can be followed within the existing education system.

              • Gosman

                A number of Kids are failing already. You could argue that we are already experimenting badly with these kids under the current system. Of course we don’t need to put it to trial if you don’t want to. Go straight to introducing this across the board.

              • Gosman

                BTW there is not plenty of evidence that most Charter Schools don’t work. There is in fact evidence that they can make a positive difference to those that the Public School system fails.

                http://www.economist.com/node/21558265

                • Rubbish.

                  This is the same article you referred to in another blogpost and you’re peddling it as supportive of your position. As usual, you are mis-representing to suit yourself.

                  The article states, in part,

                  “Much political capital has been made of a 2009 study of 16 states that found that only 17% of charter schools were better than public schools, 37% were worse and the rest were about the same. The work was done by the Centre for Research on Education Outcomes (Credo) at Stanford University.

                  The Credo study has been criticised for not comparing the results of children who have won charter-school lotteries with those who have not—a natural experiment in which the only difference between winners and losers should be the schooling they receive. Such studies suggest that charters are better. For example, a lottery study in New York City found that by eighth grade (around 13), charter-school pupils were 30 points ahead in maths.

                  However, recent work by Mathematica, an independent policy group, suggests that the Credo study is sound. The bigger problem is that its findings have been misinterpreted.

                  If you’re going to post links to articles, exercise more honesty in what you’re claiming.

                  • Gosman

                    Frank, did you not read further than that paragraph?

                    Did you not read and understand the sentence “The bigger problem is that its findings have been misinterpreted. “?

                    What do you think that actually means?

                    Try and use some analytical skills when reading. That article was in favour of Charter Schools. Why was it in favour?

                  • Gosman

                    This is why you are disingenuine Frank. You deliberately stopped mid way through a paragraph as if that made your point, That article goes on to state the following AFTER the section you quoted out of context.

                    “Credo finds that students in poverty and English language learners fare better in charters.”

                    “Credo thinks that the variation in quality can be traced to the governing legislation behind the schools.”

                    The rest of the tone of the acticle points out that while there are obvious flaws in some Charter schools they do provide benefits to kids curently being failed by the Public education system in the States.

                  • UpandComer

                    KIPP schools show Charter schools can work for underprivileged kids much better then public schools.

                    The point is that Maori kids have been failing for decades, why not try something new to see if it will work for them?

                    Just throwing more money at public schools hasn’t ever worked, and won’t work.

                • Carol

                  Ultimately, there is no evidence that NAct’s Charter Schools are likely to be more “successful” than our very good state schools. The differences between the 2 sides of the debate, amount to differences in philosophy about the nature of education – and I think it is no accident that Banks uses a private military school as his inspiration/model – it would most likely favour an authoritarian approach, that focus on an uncritical approach to performing physical activities. Not something that would encourage critical thinking or individual imitative.

                  The CREDO study, that the Economist article focuses on, actually is inconclusive as it only registers slight differences between charter and public schools. It has been claimed as evidence to support both sides of the charter school debate.

                  The differences are no bigger than those between various public schools and between diverse charter schools – so it partly depends on which schools are in the samples compared. See here for a fairly detailed analysis of this.

                  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/a-new-look-at-the-credo-charter-school-study/2011/10/07/gIQAl8r5aL_blog.html

                  I would suggest, once again, that we aren’t getting good answers because we’re not asking the right questions. It’s not whether some charters seem to do better or worse, but rather why (CREDO does provide some state-level results addressing this – they’re worth checking out, but very limited).

                  That is, how can we explain the performance of any “good” or “bad” school and, in so doing, hopefully identify specific policies and practices that can be used to improve all schools?

                  Also, as far as I can see, the measures used by the CREDO study are tests on reading etc. The problem I have with the US school education system as they are focused too strongly on testing and teaching to tests. This to me is not an in-depth education in knowledge and understanding, but has more to do with an authoritarian approach to training in selected skills. Hence it is an ideology-based form of education, and one I’m sure NAct would be happy to follow

                  And, ultimately, the need for New Zealand’s failing students, is to identify successful approaches to teaching the least successful students in our system, as well as to identify what counts as success: i.e. what measures as used. The debate on state vs Charter Schools is as much about a debate between 2 different philosophies of education as about which approach is more “successful”.

                  There’s been a lot of work done in these areas by educationists over the decades and much knowledge on it by trained and qualified teachers. This can best be done within the state sector, and not through some hit and miss (axe the failing schools) approach in some Charter School experiment.

                  • Gosman

                    It could possibly be done within the State sector, (although it hasn’t to date) and it possibly could be done via a combination of the State and Charter Schools. That is the nature of the debate. I would prefer that we see if these Charter Schools actually make a difference. If they do then surely that is a good thing.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      It could possibly be done within the State sector, (although it hasn’t to date)

                      It has been done to date in state schools. That’s why our schools are better today than they were when I went to school.

                    • Dv

                      LOOK AT THIS
                      http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapi-mana-news/3910236/Fears-for-the-future-of-Porirua-Alternative-School

                      Sounds like the ‘Charter schools’ model proposed and done within the current system since 1985
                      (Govt trying to shut it down in 2010)

                      Fears for the future of Porirua Alternative School

                      Porirua resident Lloyd Martin set up the school in 1985. It is one of 163 alternative education centres in New Zealand.

                      The Ministry of Education last year proposed that the current system be dis-established. A ministry report said success rates at AE schools were poor.

                      Mr Tiatia disagrees: “Out of the 16 students we have, 50 per cent were chronic truants, but here we have a 90 per cent attendance rate.

                      Sixteen students attend the Cannons Creek school, where they learn basic numeracy, literacy, computer and life skills. The school has its own NZQA accredited curriculum and students are encouraged to gain NCEA credits

                      The school has four staff, including a qualified teacher and two part-time youth workers. The community is also heavily involved, with support coming from local schools, Lions clubs, Northern United rugby club, and Porirua Vikings rugby league clubs.

                    • urban rascal

                      Bullsh*t, there are some great initiatives being tried in State schooling. My own mother has been involved in some of the most engaging and experimental teaching programs I have seen through IT and technology development. This is not treating IT as a subject but as a provider for all subjects. She now works at
                      http://www.hingaiapeninsula.school.nz/

                      A school that is trying joined year group classes (i.e years 0 – 3), studio classrooms. Multiple teachers to a class. etc
                      They have just set up a system where students can track their goals with parents and teachers commenting and assisting online.

                      National standards are supposed to help parents. Well what’s better than a system where you can directly see what you child is learning, what their teacher is saying they should work on etc.

                      There are great things happening within the state schooling sector that actually make a difference. Charter schools are a political policy and ignore the development of fresh ideas that the system is already trying out.

                      This is just one school out of many in just the Auckland region trying new teaching methods. We have teachers from overseas come for apple bus tours of our schools to take notes on how we have intergrated technology to help our kids.

                    • Gosman

                      There is nothing stopping state sector schools continuing to do what your mother has been involved with. Charter Schools are just another option.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Charter schools an option to dumb down teachers and teaching

                    • urban rascal

                      The only thing Charter schools seem to do is remove accountability, remove qualified teachers and privatise education.

                      Fair enough it’s only a trial, but tax payer money should not be used on an education policy that isn’t in the interest of funding better classroom learning.
                      I recommend you visit some of our primary to intermediate schools before casting your political leanings over our high rated education system. You’ll find that the schools aren’t failing children.
                      Parents who can’t or don’t feed their children under the strain of our economic system are what are failing our children.

                      But i’ll be F*%ked if NACt would every do anything positive about that, they are too busy helping the “free” market rebuild a CBD and sucking off casino’s to build convention centres for the “free” market. Oh and selling of electricity assets because the “free” market can’t build their own and compete.

                      You get the sense that the “free” market failed along time ago and some people are yet to release us from your failed idealogies and the cold, death grip you have on this country. Yet the free market can solve education can it… not with out (you guessed it) some state funding.

                    • Dr Terry

                      Oh, they will make a difference alright! The question is, a difference for the better OR THE WORSE?
                      It is good to receive intelligent input from Carol, though intelligence is probably not highly wanted or valued in society at large.

                    • “I would prefer that we see if these Charter Schools actually make a difference. ”

                      A difference to what?

                      How will Charter Schools “make a difference” when Finland doesn’t use Charter schools and rank higher than us (#2, and #3) on OECD PISA scales – while the US ranks far lower.

                      If you think we need to “make a difference”, wouldn’t logic suggest we follow Finland rather than our poorly achieving American cuzzies?

                      Just a thought. Y’know, pursuit of excellence and all that kinda stuff..,.

                    • Rob

                      How are we able to measure our schools on an international basis and then rank them against other countries, when we are being told that we cannot rank the performance of our own schools together as they are so different. Can someone please explain what this international ranking system is and what national measure they use in comparison.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Hey dodo those international rankings don’t compare schools, they compare student performance. May be you should talk to someone “qualified” in order to learn more.

            • marsman 1.1.1.1.1.2

              ‘there is evidence that Charter Schools make a positive difference’ There is also evidence that there is no difference AND evidence that there is negative difference. So what’s your point!

              • Gosman

                Did you read the article? If so, which parts do you disagree with and why?

                • marsman

                  Google -‘Charter Schools a failure’ then ‘Charter Schools a success’.

                • The question should be, Gosman, have you read it properly ?! Because it appears you have not.

                  • Gosman

                    Answer the questions I have asked you about that article Frank. If you think it is stating what you are claiming this shouldn’t be a problem.

                    • HAVE.YOU.READ.THE.ARTICLE.GOSMAN?

                      It’s an article YOU posted. Surely you must know what it contains.I’ve already given you a C&P excerpt from it.

                      What part of this do you find difficult to comprehend?

                    • Gosman

                      Just because you seem to be ignoring this post I made I’ll repeat it here.

                      This is why you are disingenuine Frank. You deliberately stopped mid way through a paragraph as if that made your point, That article goes on to state the following AFTER the section you quoted out of context.

                      “Credo finds that students in poverty and English language learners fare better in charters.”

                      “Credo thinks that the variation in quality can be traced to the governing legislation behind the schools.”

                      The rest of the tone of the acticle points out that while there are obvious flaws in some Charter schools they do provide benefits to kids curently being failed by the Public education system in the States.

                      Simple question for you Frank, was that article pro or anti Charter schools?

                    • Now you’re being pathetic.

                      It matters not one whit what I think of the Economist article. The fact is that YOU posted it, and you used it to back up you position.

                      Are you now backing away from it because you didn’t read through it properly?

                      You complain when we don’t read your linked-to articles, and then you complain when we do – and challenge you on their content.

                      You can’t have it both ways, Gosman.

                    • Gosman

                      Sometimes I think you might have suffered a brain injury Frank. I have pointed out how you have misrepresented that article by not including the sections on the Credo study that were discussed AFTER the segment you quoted. Deal with that issue and don’t keep avoiding it.

            • Bored 1.1.1.1.1.3

              It is a trial and there is evidence…so if their is “evidence” why is there need of a “trial”?

            • Georgecom 1.1.1.1.1.4

              In jurisidictions that have weaker education systems than NZ, and longer tails of underachievement, charter schools have been shown not to have made a difference in raising education standards.

              So, with our world class education system, how is a failing policy from overseas going to magically be a success here.

              Of course, it won’t, except in the minds of ideologues like John Banks and ilk.

              A failed policy from overseas will simply replicate failure.

        • Carol 1.1.1.2

          Charter Schools may match ACT’s philosophy, but they never mentioned the schools in their election campaign.

          • Gosman 1.1.1.2.1

            It isn’t a stretch to see this policy being promoted by ACT though. It is like Free Trade agreements. They don’t generally make it to the policy sheet at election time but you would expect political party’s that are supportive of the free market to look to promote them if they win power.

            • Olwyn 1.1.1.2.1.1

              “It isn’t a stretch to see this policy being promoted by ACT though.” True, but it is a stretch when they are pulled out of the hat as some sort of bottom line in coalition talks, when they have so far gone unmentioned.

              • Gosman

                I don’t see what your problem with ACT promoting this though. I understand you don’t like the policy considering you are from the left of the political spectrum. It seems silly to me that you as a leftist would be bothered which policies a right leaning political party would want to make bottom line in any talks with another right leaning political party. As stated Charter Schools are entirely consistent with ACT party philisophy and I see no problem with them promoting it.

                • Olwyn

                  Imagine the squawks from your own team if the same thing happened on the left, if Labour went into talks with Hone and came out adopting a controversial policy that had so far gone unmentioned but was nonetheless consistent with Hone’s philosophy.

                  • Gosman

                    i would regard this as equally ridiculous. For example if Labour went in to a coalition agreement with Mana and suddenly decided to increase benefits across the board by 50% I wouldn’t be surprised. I would think it was an economically idiotic policy but I wouldn’t be surprised.

                • Macro

                  What you argue is that an “educational policy”, which was not part of any manifesto before the election, and which is entirely bereft on any educational merit whatsoever, is good policy simply because a political party which represents approximately 1% or less of the entire population thinks that it is a ‘good idea”; especially as it will keep the masses even dumber than they are already, and we can then hoodwink them even more easily.

                • framu

                  “I see no problem with them promoting it.”

                  except the didnt did they – i know you mean promote differently here (surprise surprise), but the association of corrupt thieves never promoted this to the electorate

            • Hayden 1.1.1.2.1.2

              political party’s

              Are you using yourself as an example?

            • Frank Macskasy 1.1.1.2.1.3

              Carol is correct, Gosman.

              ACT makes no reference to Charter schools on their website.

              You are being disingenuous, again.

            • Frank Macskasy 1.1.1.2.1.4

              So you’d be alright with, say, a Labour-led government raising taxes without disclosing it prior to an election?

              Just as John Key raised GST without raising it at the 2008 election.

              You’d be fine with that, Gosman?

              • Gosman

                Yes I would. I would expect it as a matter of course from a left leaning Government.

                • But you think it’s ok for ACT to implement policy it never campaigned on, and is not included in their education policy?

                • Gosman

                  Yes, because it is consistent with their underlying political philosophy. Just as raising benefits is consistent with Mana’s.

                  • Like raising GST, when Key promised not to?

                    Or borrowing for tax cuts when Key promised not to?

                    • Gosman

                      That’s right, raising GST is a legitimate area where you can attack John Key on for going against his party and previous position. Lowering taxes though is something you can’t do the same.

                    • I didn’t say “lowering taxes”.

                      I said borrowing for tax cuts. Key promised he wouldn’t – but National ended up borrowing $380 million a week, at one stage.

                      That’s a broken promise. And irresponsible at that.

                    • Gosman

                      You don’t borrow for tax cuts. You borrow for expenditure that you can’t fund from revenue. Tax cuts are not expenditure.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Tax cuts are not expenditure.

                      No, they’d be that revenue stream that used to cover the expenditures before the tax cuts.

                  • Dr Terry

                    At this point I bow out from “the Gosman column”. If he talks long and loud enough he might convince himself, but is very unlikely to prevail upon anyone else.

            • KJT 1.1.1.2.1.5

              No surprise at all that loony policies like the TPP, asset sales and charter schools are supported by the lunatic fringe that supports ACT.

              Just shows that National, now, are equally lunatic. Just constrained by the need to get re-elected.
              Or they would be if they were not going to big paying jobs with their fellow thieves when they leave Parliament.

              I wonder how many of the principled conservatives that used to be part of National are turning in their graves.

              • Draco T Bastard

                Just shows that National, now, are equally lunatic.

                They’ve been equally lunatic for awhile now. If National honestly articulated their policies and principles (rather, the lack thereof) there’s no way they’d ever get in government.

        • Frank Macskasy 1.1.1.3

          ACT has also been opposed to subsidies.

          Please explain why this has now changed for Charter Schools.

        • Bored 1.1.1.4

          Choice…independence nice words, what do they really mean?

          Choice…could be a case of who is choosing…for example somebody choosing to take a government funded revenue stream to profit from provision of “choice” education.
          Independence..could mean not controlled by the funders (who are one and the same as the state system…(could this be an “independent” arm of education policy and provision)?

          The way I see it if somebody chooses to run an independent school they are currently free to do so. If they want their results to be recognised they have known standards to adhere to. If they want funding they can find their own.

    • Sally Cron 1.2

      Personally I think they should be encouraging Technical type schools (as they had in the past) where children can persue courses in woodwork, mechanics and other practical subjects that eventually offer employment and are of more interest to many of them. Include core subjects but maths should be ‘useful maths’ for the future of these children ie keeping accounts etc. Social Studies could be made fun rather than having to learn for exams they won’t pass and give them confidence to work in the outside world.

    • Sally Cron 1.3

      Personally I think they should be encouraging Technical type schools (as they had in the past) where children can persue courses in woodwork, mechanics and other practical subjects that eventually offer employment and are of more interest to many of them. Include core subjects but maths should be ‘useful maths’ for the future of these children ie keeping accounts etc. Social Studies could be made fun rather than having to learn for exams they won’t pass and give them confidence to work in the outside world.

  2. Tiger Mountain 2

    Unregistered low wage “teachers”, non educationalists in charge, state funded but privately run with little if any accountability to tax payers, Destiny Church and various other organisations wanting to run one–how bad can charter schools get?

    National previously seemed very keen on witch hunting unsuitable teachers but anything goes it seems with ACT’s deadly spawn Charter schools. That dirty filthy neo-lib micro party has been the true sting in the tail of ShonKeys govt. Bennie bashing, Super City, local government capping and now this.

    Take all steps to impede and halt this backward leap, don’t leave it to the teacher unions. Even NZSTA is opposing Charter schools. From time to time there are debates on blogs about the dearth of public intellectuals in NZ, well add competent educationalists to that too because this is partly the result of the MoE having driven out most of the decent people.

    • Gosman 2.1

      “…with little if any accountability to tax payers”

      Do you have any evidence that their will be little if any accountability to tax payers for Charter Schools.

      The information I have read about them is they can be strictly managed and controlled via agreements with the State.

      • mac1 2.1.1

        Yeah, right!

        • McFlock 2.1.1.1

          no, straight up – they’ll be “strictly managed” just like the private prison is. Under what National perceives to be NCEA rules – if they get “failed to achieve” or less than half of their minimum targets, they’ll have unlimited chances to make it up.And still be paid.

      • Do you have any evidence that their will be little if any accountability to tax payers for Charter Schools.

        Do you have evidence there will be?

        • Gosman 2.1.2.1

          “The Minister of Education would approve the schools and the contracts would include detail, including the maximum number of students allowed which can be reviewed annually.

          They would have to accept all students regardless of background and have to report against National Standards for Year 1-8 students and offer NCEA or an equivalent qualification.

          The schools’ contracts with the Crown would be for a fixed term and require specific targets which would be reported on. ”

          http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/7398757/Charter-schools-could-employ-unregistered-teachers

          This would suggest that they will be held to a high degree of accountability by the State.

          Now do you have any evidence that they won’t be?

          • Kotahi Tāne Huna 2.1.2.1.1

            Oh, that sounds like a really believable bunch of assurances, Gossamer, just like the rest of the mendacious dreck ACT have been shovelling around these past thirty years, and it’s all bullshit. If any of their policies worked, they wouldn’t be polling below the margin of error, and they wouldn’t be led by a criminal clown.

            The whole purpose of this policy is to put public funds in private wallets: utterly venal and corrupt.

            • Gosman 2.1.2.1.1.1

              That’s your opinion. You are entitled to it. Obviously other people have a different opinion. Working out which gets implemented as policy is called politics.

              • “That’s your opinion. You are entitled to it. Obviously other people have a different opinion. Working out which gets implemented as policy is called politics.”

                ???

                So you’ve gone from providing evidence to back up your position – to now “opinions”?

                Perhaps it might help if you read up a little more on this subject, Gosman, before embarressing yourself.

                • Gosman

                  States the man who somehow stops readin an article after he thinks it supports his view point.

                  Perhaps you would like to address my points about that rather than waste your time attacking me and not adding to the debate.

                  • Oh dear. You really don’t like it when your own ineptitude is thrown back at you, do you?

                    Perhaps next time you’ll read your own articles more carefully before linking to them.

                    As I pointed out above, you complain when we don’t read your articles – then complain when we do, and challenge you on their content.

                    You need to take responsibility if you’re going to debate complex issues with others, Gosman.

            • framu 2.1.2.1.1.2

              ” If any of their policies worked,”…. they (not act per se – but neo-liberals) wouldnt have needed pinochet to get started and wouldnt have needed to enact their ideas by stealth or force in any country theyve tried it on.

              lets not forget – ACT style policies have NEVER been voted in by an electorate anywhere in the world

          • Draco T Bastard 2.1.2.1.2

            Serco prison statistics. Can’t even meet the standards set by the state run prisons and yet are still not being held to account.

          • Frank Macskasy 2.1.2.1.3

            State the details of that accountability please, and the mechanism by which it will be implemented?

            Then explain how it differs from current ERO assessments of state schools.

            • Gosman 2.1.2.1.3.1

              Have they released all the details of the Charter school legislation yet Frank? When they do so, if it doesn’t have these mechanisms in place then you have cause to complain. I will even join with you on that one. Think about it Frank, you and I joined in a common cause. The world will surely implode.

              • Can you make a point without the constant need to frame it as a question?

                Honestly, you sound very needy.

                The point I made was valid: explain how it differs from current ERO assessments of state schools.

                It’s a simple request.

                • Gosman

                  I have no idea. Is it the same as the ERO? Are you happy with the current ERO framework? If so, then surely this means there is a good level of oversight to these schools. Unless you think the current ERO framework only works for State Schools.

  3. George 3

    There is only one reason for charter schools and that is to pay teachers less, thereby bringing the cost of education down.

    • Hayden 3.1

      Would it be paranoid of me to link this to the attempt to lay off a few thousand teachers a couple of months ago?

      • Gosman 3.1.1

        Yes it would. Although perhaps they could have got a job with the new Charter Schools ;-)

        • Frank Macskasy 3.1.1.1

          At $13.50 an hour?

          George may have a point; “There is only one reason for charter schools and that is to pay teachers less, thereby bringing the cost of education down.”

          • Gosman 3.1.1.1.1

            No he doesn’t have a point for the reasons outlined in that article I linked to.

            • Frank Macskasy 3.1.1.1.1.1

              The one you haven’t read properly, Gosman?

              I one that concluded that the Stanford University CREDO report “… is sound. The bigger problem is that its findings have been misinterpreted”?

          • Colonial Viper 3.1.1.1.2

            Charter schools are cheap government sponsored borstals. Nothing more, nothing less.

            • Gosman 3.1.1.1.2.1

              In your opinion.

              • Colonial Viper

                They’re also designed to give the not-so-subtle finger to teachers unions and education specialists, who are of course great friends of the National Party.

          • Dv 3.1.1.1.3

            The cost to education will not go down, the private provider will pocket the difference.

          • KJT 3.1.1.1.4

            Yep. We have to pay millions to motivate managers to do their jobs, but we will get better teachers by paying them less and making their job almost impossible.

          • UpandComer 3.1.1.1.5

            That shows the problem with the establishment – you still think it’s all about teachers.

            Who cares if the people teaching at those schools get paid less, or haven’t done the teacher’s College indoctrination.

            What matters is the results – and currently the public system is not working for a lot of Maori/Pacific Island young people.

            The status quo isn’t working, so lets try something else. If the results are bad, then we can move to sth new.

      • fender 3.1.2

        No not paranoid at all, quite justified, and obvious NAct were planning to fund charter schools with savings made from legitimate schools.
        Tells us everything we need to know about National, they were happy to damage our education system just to buy the support of the law-breaking fool that is John Banks.

        • KJT 3.1.2.1

          I suppose withdrawing funding from, and dumbing down, State schools will make charter schools look better.

          Same principle as putting overpaid MBA’s in and demanding extra dividends from, SOE power companies, to enable the private ones to compete.

    • Gosman 3.2

      That factually incorrect. It may be the only reason you see for them. However that would indicate you are blinded by your ideology.

      • framu 3.2.1

        unlike your self though aye? your a paragon of honest debate and the non-idealogical examination of ideas arent you?

  4. Adrian 4

    This is not about education, it’s about corporate entities being able to clip the education ticket. That’s why they can be managed by non-teaching background, I bet that slippery Catherine Issac is already set to go. 10 or 20% of the education budget is lot of money.
    And it is not just in education. I found out last night that a mysterious corporate outfit is buying up GP’s practices. Sure, they are already private operations but are generally individually or collectively owned doctor-run practices. This is something completely different, this is about full privatisation by stealth.
    Has anyone else come across anything similar happening?

    • Gosman 4.1

      Did you read the Economist aticle I linked to or are you simply deciding this on the basis of your blind ideological allegiance to leftist views?

      • Is that the Economist article you are constantly mis-using to prove your point? In fact, the Economist article does no such thing.

        The CREDO research is still sound, as The Economist points out.

        Which you would know if youi’ve actually read the whole thing, instead of just the headline.

        • Gosman 4.1.1.1

          So was the Economist article in favour or against Charter Schools?

          How does it state the Credo research impacts on the argument for and against Charter Schools?

          Answer those questions Frank if you are interested in a debate about this issue instead of being an arse.

          • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1.1.1

            Who gives a fuck about what an Economist article states? Get peer reviewed research that states it and then we’ll talk. Until then, STFU.

          • Frank Macskasy 4.1.1.1.2

            Deflection and evasion.

            Simple question, Gosman. You must know what that article contains – you used it to back up your position.

            If you can’t even explain your own evidence, then explain to us why we should take it – and you – seriously.

            You seem to have some difficulty with this sort of thing, Gosman.

            Thankfully, that Economist article was useful in my own assessment of this issue: http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/charter-schools-another-lie-from-john-banks/

            • Gosman 4.1.1.1.2.1

              Read my post about you being disingenuine and misquoting that article (you left out large sections after that one you cheery picked) and answer my questions. The fact you are avoinding doing so speaks volumes to me about your engagement in this discussion.

              • Hmmm, you’re copying my style of writing. Nice.

                You may even learn something from what I write, as well as HOW I write.

                To remind you, I posted that excerpt and stated that they were part-quotes. What part of that did you find hard to understand?

                Gosman, pay attention: if you’re going to post links to articles, you better well make damn sure you know what you’re posting. Expect your linked-evidence to be read, examined, and thrown back at you if it’s found wanting.

                If you’re going to chuck your toys just because we are unimpressed by your poor standard of research, then expect to be treated as a fool.

                • Gosman

                  I gave you the reasons why your interpretation was wrong. You selectively quoted and failed to add the information that the article goes on to state about the Credo study AFTER the section you quoted. Deal with the quotes I linked to rather than obsessessively focusing on the one section you misquoted. Also answer the simple question I asked about the tone of that article – was it pro or anti Charter schools?

                  • No, Gosman.

                    I simply read what you linked to and found information that you either missed or in your blind ideological reverance of neo-liberalism, ignored.

                    “Selectively quoted”? I took a relevant piece from the article that found the CREDO report was sound.

                    If you have information that the CREDO report is unsound – please present it. However, before you do, read the bloody thing! Because we will read it and you will be challenged when/if you f**k up.

                    Don’t blame me and others, if the information you present doesn’t support your beliefs. Otherwise you sound like some whinging cultist who is upset that the rest of us don’t revere your quasi-religious dogma.

                    • UpandComer

                      If the Credo report was sound, then so was Gosman’s except that said Charter schools were better for students in poverty and English language learners.

                      That statement is bourne out by the results from KIPP schools for instance.

                      Hmmmm. What students are being failed currently by the public school system in NZ who might be covered by that valid statement from a sound (in your own words) study. Hint – they’re brown.

              • Carol

                :roll:

                A graduate from the John banks School of Educational Failure?

            • Carol 4.1.1.1.2.2

              Great analysis. Yay for Finland’s approach to education! And how much more does Dishonest John Banks’ shonkey arguments need before he is totally discredited in the eyes of the public?

              • Indeed, Carol.

                And the worst aspect of John Banks dishonesty is that he listed Finland as a country that employed Charter Schools – where as they do not.

                It’s fascinating how right wingers like Banks, Gosman, et al, mis-use information to suit their own narrow ideological obassessions…

                • Gosman

                  States the man who seemingly stopped reading an article after it stated something he thought agreed with him.

                  • Gosman, four points and a question;

                    1. Finland is #2 and #3 on various OECD PISA ranking

                    2. Finland does not use Charter schools

                    3. The US uses Charter Schools

                    4. The US is at #18, #23, and #26 on the same OECD PISA ranking.

                    Which country do you think we should look more closely at, in terms of educational outcomes?

                    • UpandComer

                      Charter schools are primarily aimed at Maori kids, who clearly are being failed by our ‘very very excellent awesome great public system’.

                      Does Finland have Maori kids?

                      Do KIPP schools help African American kids living in the ‘real’ Ghettos achieve?

          • Macro 4.1.1.1.3

            Since when has the “Economist” been an Educational journal? Opinion pieces in a lay business tabloid do NOT qualify as educational research – no matter what they say. (And it seems that the article, in which you place so much faith, is ambiguous in its promotion of your ideals anyway.)

            • Gosman 4.1.1.1.3.1

              I don’t think that article was ambiguous in it’s support of Charter Schools at all. It is also based on, (and heavily references it), the peer reviewed research you desire.

              • Macro

                “I don’t think that article was ambiguous in it’s support of Charter Schools at all.”

                That’s because you don’t think Gosman. – you base all your concepts upon a flawed ideology. Your arguments are all based on pre-conceived bias.

              • In your opinion, Gosman.

    • marsman 4.2

      Dentists are also being bought by American Corporates.

  5. KJT 5

    Charter schools are simply a means to break the last vestige of trade union rights and to give the private sector access to tax dollars spent on education.

    The private sector that is so good at education that most private schools had to be bailed out by tax payers.

    Note; that despite all the tax payer dollars and effort poured into charter schools in the USA, 83% do not do any better than State schools. (Stanford University study, among others) The majority do worse. Given the poor performance of State schooling in the USA generally that is not a recommendation.

    Why follow the disaster that is schooling and health in the USA.

    We will see a few initial Potemkin charter schools do well, then the poor results of others will be buried.

    They will not have any better results than resourcing State schools properly, to use already proven programs to reduce the tail. Successful programs such as remedial reading and Teacher aids in every classroom are being starved of funds so the Government can fund ideological nightmares such as charter schools.

    If NACT was serious about bringing up educational achievement they would be working on reducing child poverty and funding extra help at early primary level for those falling behind, instead of gifting the private sector money out of education funding.

    If the private sector are so good at education why don’t they start their own schools. Wait! they did. We are paying to bail them out right now!

  6. marsman 6

    Well put KJT!

  7. Nick 7

    If people really want their kids going to schools with an unofficial curriculum, odd opening hours and holidays and unqualified teachers let them pay for it themselves. Surely the tax payer money that is being spent on this can be spent elsewhere. In fact if the government canned charter schools and stopped subsidizing private schools they’d have a lot more money to spend on the schools they are supposed to be supporting.

    • Draco T Bastard 7.1

      +1

      I don’t know why people just don’t get this. Can the state support of private schools and funding for the public schools that the state is supposed to be funding could go up.

  8. Kotahi Tāne Huna 8

    Close all these private schools by lunchtime – aggressively investigate financial links between the National Party and the owners. Make sure they lose their investment, to punish and deter them from any further attacks on New Zealand.

    • Gosman 8.1

      I look forward to some credible party of the left advocating these policies. Somehow I doubt even a hard left party like Mana will do so.

      • I look forward to you actually understanding the articles that you link to. I was in serious error about your ability to comprehend these complex issues, Gosman.

        • Gosman 8.1.1.1

          As stated above, address the points I made about you misquoting that article. I am sick of you running away everytime you are challenged on your nonsense.

          • Frank Macskasy 8.1.1.1.1

            “I am sick of you running away everytime you are challenged on your nonsense.”

            If you’re referring to me, I’m not going anywhere. I’ve finished my blogpost challenging untruths about Charter Schools – now you have my undivided attention.

            You can start by answering this:

            Gosman, four points and a question;

            1. Finland is #2 and #3 on various OECD PISA ranking

            2. Finland does not use Charter schools

            3. The US uses Charter Schools

            4. The US is at #18, #23, and #26 on the same OECD PISA ranking.

            Which country do you think we should look more closely at, in terms of educational outcomes?

            • mike e 8.1.1.1.1.1

              Frank gooses own evidence proves that charter schools are no better than ordinary schools 17% are worse, Thats in the USA as you have pointed out above ranking
              18 to 26 th place in the world so given that evidence we can look forward to another ACT policy fail.
              The USA should be copying us not the other way round.
              This is just a union busting ideology!

              • On the nail, Mik e.

                It appears that Gosman is somewhat irate that the evidence he linked to actually DISPROVED his ideological position rather than backing him up.

                I must thank him though; that Economist article had a relevant point that I used in my blogpost. But not in the way he thought.

                The evidence on Charter schools and following our American cuzzies is damning. But Gosman is so wedded to his Party and free market, that he refuses to see what’s in front of him.

                It’s like arguing with a Creationist that the Earth is not 6,000 years old and Humans did not walk with dinosaurs (desite what we see on ” The Flintstones”)…

            • UpandComer 8.1.1.1.1.2

              These statements beg so many questions and are so broad and disconnected as to be logically worthless.

              I could just as validly say.

              1. Finland is 2 and 3 on rankings.

              2. Finland has Finnish people.

              3. The US does not have Finnish people.

              4. The US ranks lower.

              Seriously mate, go and talk to some Maori and Pacific Island teachers/parents/kids and ask them if the public system is so infallible as to require bolstering from your dickishness

          • Frank Macskasy 8.1.1.1.2

            ” I am sick of you running away everytime you are challenged on your nonsense.”

            It appears that Gosman has run away.

            His last post here was at 12:19. Nothing since.

            Oh dear.

      • bad12 8.1.2

        Here, get a proper education,

        ”On the Federal Test, known as the National Assessment of Educational Progress, from 2003 to 2009 Charter schools have never out-performed public Schools” unquote,

        http://www.collegiatetimes.com/…/charterschoolsfailonpromise…-United States

        The text you rely upon to support your contentions are in fact unsupported by the facts, but, i suppose we have to expect that from the commenters of the right as their political advocates in the Parliament cannot bring themselves to have even a passing knowledge of the facts,

        Here are where the REAL studies are to be found,(just for your education),

        America’s charter schools- National Education Policy Center
        http://www.epsl.asu.edu/epru/articles/EPRU-0412-78-OWI.pdf

        Can’t reach it through there, the Google is,
        National Assessment of Educational Progress United States/Charter Schools Data…

    • Herodotus 8.2

      We in NZ are willing and accepting to write off these amounts. And why was the $2.5m overpayment to private schools not repaid? Perhaps you are right KTH
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/6696317/Pinched-private-schools-ponder-integration
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10800517

  9. prism 9

    I’ll try to remember to put a total tonight for Gosman here this Friday. It’s trolling or bad blogging surely.

  10. captain hook 10

    whey dont you fuck off gosman.
    you dont contribute anything except mean backbighting relentless nastiness.

    • Gosman 10.1

      Ironic much?

      • bad12 10.1.1

        Ironic much is the ‘fact’ that when presented with the facts as in my comment above at 8.1.2 you still continue to run off at the mouth like some demented out of control sewer with a jammed tap,

        I did notice your earlier comment where you try and disrupt the debate by deliberately pointing to questions that you thought people should Google which in effect would have lead the debate even further from the facts than what you had already managed to partly accomplish,

        It’s a pity that most of the commentors supporting the right here cannot either access the real evidence nor have the intelligence to further their contentions with intellectual debate based around the actual facts…

      • bbfloyd 10.1.2

        young gossamer…. have you been into your dads stash of viagra again? You know the mess you make every time you do something like that…..

        Look at the horrible mess you’ve made of yourself, and this comments thread…. you seem to have contracted Little pete bad hairs affliction. ….

        Narcasism mixed in with having been told you are “special” far too many times by a desperate mother….

        I look forward to gathering more of your comments, so that i can give them to a friend of mine, who is doing his fourth year of a psych degree….

        He thinks there is a huge amount of useful info in there regarding some of the obsessions he is studying at present…

        • bbfloyd 10.1.2.1

          apology to little bad hair… i notice he is actually making a positive contribution on the “incoherent education policy” post……

          That just leaves you…durex boy…..even bort is attempting to say sensible things occasionally…

          The last one in the padded cell…. that must get lonely…

          • Bored 10.1.2.1.1

            I wish I knew how to draw a smiley.

            • prism 10.1.2.1.1.1

              bored 10 1 2 1 1
              I’ve decided to have a range of icons. Choice that’s the name of the game today. So I’ve picked 7 out of the list under FAQs. They’re easy enough for me just colons round a word whatever describes the required one. And I have memorised the previously indecipherable form that enables me to link under a heading. Don’t know what this relates to but I’m as pleased as a kid who has learned how to use a slide.

    • Kotahi Tāne Huna 10.2

      I have found the use of emoticons can alleviate the symptoms of troll-related stress.

  11. Te Reo Putake 11

    Can I just point out the irony of being lectured on education by a person who thinks disingenuine is a real word?

    • Hayden 11.1

      Can you provide evidence that it’s not a word? I’ve never seen any publisher of dictionaries dictionary’s state that it isn’t a word.

  12. marsman 12

    Another post drivel dribbled on by Gosman’s Act on Campus rhetoric.

  13. Gosman seems to have disappeared (run away) after 12:19.

    Convenient.

    He has evaded answering this;

    1. Finland is #2 and #3 on various OECD PISA ranking

    2. Finland does not use Charter schools

    3. The US uses Charter Schools

    4. The US is at #18, #23, and #26 on the same OECD PISA ranking.

    Which country do you (Gosman) think we should look more closely at, in terms of educational outcomes?

    • Rob 13.1

      I am amazed that we can be consistantly measured against a host of international schooling systems and ranked , whilst we cant even do a fair testing comparison against a set of national standards for schools in the same local town.

    • Rob 13.2

      Actually what we should do in NZ, is have all the NZ Secondary Schools do the PISA assesement for 15 year old students and then have those published, just like the PISA study does. Now that would be very useful.

      • Colonial Viper 13.2.1

        What would be useful is forcing elite private schools to use unqualified teachers.

  14. muzza 14

    For crying out loud, why do you lot react to Gosman the way you do. It is obvious that Gosman really is only on here to stir, and may or may not even give a toss about the nonsense which comes through the words he/she types.

    If the energy used in this site was actually transferred into somehing which would make a difference, imagine what could be achieved.

    Just keep typing and letting non entities like Gosman suck the soul out of you, while getting heated up thinking that the words make a difference, they don’t!

    • framu 14.1

      quite right muzza – perhaps the only good response is no response or…

      :roll:

      (now ive learned it i love it)

      • muzza 14.1.1

        Eye rolling is a response and an acknowledgement of the post.

        People who respond are getting something out of doing so, hence the need to respond, as opposed to ignoring.

        The best response is not to respond at all.

        • bbfloyd 14.1.1.1

          Or just using him as a practice dummy for lampooning……The japanese use life size blow up figures of the boss as a punching bag…. durex boy could serve a useful purpose that way….

      • prism 14.1.2

        Hayden
        That’s a new word to me and I see from my Collins that it dates back to 15th century. What are KFC Double Downs? Are they extra special hamburgers.

        framu
        I like cool :cool:

    • Gosman 14.2

      That pretty much applies to almost every single one of the comments by most people on this entire site, including yours. You do realise that most of the stuff posted on here is so extreme that no mainstream political party would touch it with a ten foot barge pole.

      • bbfloyd 14.2.1

        Sounds like someone forgot his pills…. just remember litlle gossomar… wash them down with WATER this time……i know vodka looks like water, but it really isn’t…

      • mike e 14.2.2

        most extreme BS comes from you Goose.
        Now you have cooked yourself again
        17% of US charter school doe worse than public US schools!
        Given the US education system is ranked 18th in the world, If we followed this we would fall rapidly down to where we were under the last national Government who kept demoralizing the education sector with another failed policy which brought from 6th in the world to 16th.

        National are consistent in their failures economically educationally generally!
        If National were a charter school they would close themselves down.

        • Draco T Bastard 14.2.2.1

          17% of US charter school doe worse than public US schools!

          Actually, it’s 37% do worse, 17% do better, the rest are about the same.

      • McFlock 14.2.3

        You miss the point (again) gos.
               
        Muzz and most others here offer their opinions, links and information honestly. They have read their sources, believe them to be of value, and share their opinions to inform the like-minded and possibly persuade fence-sitters. Even if some of what they offer is batshit crazy, it’s still a thousand times more interesting and worthwhile than your contributions.
                
        You don’t seek to genuinely share opinions or debate issues – you just distract, deflect, and in many cases deny reality. You frequently fail to read your own supporting evidence (and on several occasions it has directly contradicted your case), and when you do you fail to understand it. You frequently compare chalk and cheese and then pretend you’ve made a massive victory, like Socrates debating Glaucon.
               
        But most importantly, your motives aren’t honest. I don’t care if you’re an employed shill or it’s just that being a trool is more satisfying for you than internet porn, but you’re a lying dissembling stupid vain fuckwit.
             
        Muzz might or might not be mad, but at least they’re honest. 

        • Gosman 14.2.3.1

          Muzza, information, and honesty in the same sentence. I haven’t laughed so hard in ages so thanks for that. I believe he was one of the four or five of you that trries to argue the EU was the same as the Eurozone. He is also seemingly a big believer in wacky conspiracy theories involving the big investment banks. In short I regard him as borerline insane.

          • McFlock 14.2.3.1.1

            That may be the case.
               
            But you are just dishonest.
                 
            If you see no fundamental difference between dishonesty and insanity, then you fail Humanity 101.

            • Gosman 14.2.3.1.1.1

              We’ve had a variation of this discussion before. Just because you disagree with my views do not make them dishonest. Dishonesty is all about spreading deliberate mistruths. I have put forward views here that were wrong a couple of times but I have always done so in the opinion that they were factually accurate. When there are facts I am not sure about I always couch my language in terms which suggest that it is as far as I am aware. I also acknowledge when I get facts wrong. This is not something I can say for many people here. You at least sheepishly acknowledged that felix stuffed up on the reasons for the original nationalisation of BNZ, although you then rapidly changed the subject. Most others aren’t even that self aware.

              • framu

                ” Dishonesty is all about spreading deliberate mistruth”

                its also about the way people choose to communicate.

                And you, boyo, constantly distract, shift goalposts, avoid main points to focus on minor ones etc etc and so on and so on

                – and you bloody well know you do it. Not just here but pretty much everywhere your name crops up that ive ever seen

                in short – while you might not think so (but i think thats not correct), your come across as a dishonest communicator of the highest order. And its pretty clear that you make a choice to behave this way

                “We’ve had a variation of this discussion before”

                yes… we have… we all have….

              • McFlock

                “A couple of times”?!
                         
                With your track record, if you said it was raining I’d want to check the metservice, an outdoor webcam and stick my head out of the window.
                       
                But it’s funny you should bring up the BNZ – as I recall the issue of whether the BNZ was bailed out immediately before its first privatization was a relatively minor point in the thread, and yet you resurrect it constantly as some sort of war trophy. Get over yourself – it’s one of the exceptionally few times you’ve even approached the characteristic “corresponds to reality” (somewhat tangentially, as well). But of course pretending it’s a trophy distracts from the topic and implies you have a certain amount of credibility. That’s a lie on both counts. Now you’ve started the same with Frank and the economist article – an article which had arguments from both sides, so you regard as supportive of charter schools.
                         
                The only reason I am convinced you are a barefaced liar is that I really don’t think that anyone could be as stupid as you profess to be.   

                • Gosman

                  It was actually central to the argument which was around assets being built up by the State not being able to be sold off for some reason. BNZ was raised as an example of assets that the State did not build up (along with Coal mines) which were nationalised. Felix tried to argue that it was nationalised because it went bust. If he was correct it would have put a serious dent in my argument so it wasn’t a minor distraction.

                  • McFlock

                    But then of course it had been rescued 50 years previously, and then been subsidised by being the chosen bank of the NZgovt, so to argue that state policy had not built and kept the BNZ in existence was farcical. What you keep resurrecting is whether the BNZ needed a massive bailout in single-digit years prior to its nationalisation. As I said, a minor point.
                       
                    And now, to demonstrate your jedi powers of distraction, can I point out that we are arguing about the BNZ in a thread about education policy? It’s amazing how shit like that happens to damned near every thread you involve yourself in.  
                         
                     

              • Gosman, I’ve now asked you this about half a dozen times;

                1. Finland is #2 and #3 on various OECD PISA ranking

                2. Finland does not use Charter schools

                3. The US uses Charter Schools

                4. The US is at #18, #23, and #26 on the same OECD PISA ranking.

                Which country do you (Gosman) think we should look more closely at, in terms of educational outcomes?

                It appears you are evading responding because you have no answer to give. There is no way Charter Schools can be of any benefit to us taking the points above into consideration.

                To quote a certain oily cetacean: gotcha!

          • mike e 14.2.3.1.2

            Goose you expect every body to read your links and we do then we find you don’t even read your own links.
            But when it cones to conspiracies and investment banks.
            You’ve cooked your goose again.
            Find me an honest investment bank/er
            So Goldman Sachs managers didn’t retire because of massive corruption within the organization over greek loan frauds they perpetrated.
            ML haven’t committed any offences thats why they have been fined billions.
            If muzza is boderline that makes you stark raving bonkers goose.

      • Draco T Bastard 14.2.4

        Ever considered that might be because the mainstream parties are out of touch with reality?

    • Actually Muzza, I do it because I occassionally have a “writer’s block” on a blogpost I’m working on, and being distracted by Gosman’s inanities helps to “clear the cobwebs”. Kinda like re-booting my train-of-thought. (Otherwise I can’t be bothered with him.)

      Failing that, I go for a walk…

  15. outofbed 15

    If the charter schools roof has a great big hole in it, the builder who fixes it has to be registered
    If
    I wonder why?

    • Rob 16.1

      Yep, they are turning around some pretty desperate communities over there. At least the community is having a very decent say into how they should be run and what they need to focus on. Something that was missing prior.

  16. captain hook 17

    wow?

  17. fabregas4 18

    I struggle to join these dots.

    Key and Parata say “we need to lift quality of teachers because they are the biggest influence on achievement” and then propose staffing schools with unqualified teachers.

    Parata says “it is the tail of underachievement that we cannot let continue” but they propose schools that are not targeted to this group.

    Tolley said “National Standards are designed to lift the achievement of the 20% of failing children” but they are for all schools.

    Key and Banks say “don’t be worried by unqualified teachers” but send their kids to private schools with qualified teachers.

    Parata says “Teaching should be a four year degree but proceeds to cut access to student funding and then says that unqualified teachers are ok?

    Left hand meet the right hand.

    • Dv 18.1

      AND if you add that most of what in wanted by act is already able to be done in the current system.

      For example the alternative school operating in Porirua east SINCE 1985
      And Banks son example

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapi-mana-news/3910236/Fears-for-the-future-of-Porirua-Alternative-School

    • bad12 18.2

      Dot dot dot along to a sidebar that says ‘Private sector want to make profit from education budget’ and the complexities of understanding what exactly Hekia and Slippery the Prime Minister are on about and up to become apparent,

      Slippery can hardly come out in a press conference and broadcast the fact that the supporters who vote National want an ‘in’ to Budget Education for profit so an efficient means of selling the idea to a public very uneasy about having their kids education messed with has had to be produced,

      Whenever National fronted by the present Slippery little Shyster unveil something new in the guise of ‘helping our kids’ just think BULLSHIT and then work around the issue from that point of view…

    • fabregas4, I think their right hand is too busy doing something else…

  18. captain hook 19

    go back to the top.
    read the caption.
    read the whole thread.
    separate into posters.
    who is the most incoherent?

  19. Georgy 20

    There is absolutely no other purpose for charter schools than to reduce the cost of education for the govt. The reasons given for establishing a charter school including the so called 1 in 5 failing, simply do not match charter schools as a solution – no set curriculum, no national standards, unqualified teachers……………. – how will these lead to solving the alleged problem of 1 in 5 failing – are they all going to be bused to the charter school? Is there going to be a charter school along the road from every state school so parents have a choice……..? Totally illogical.

  20. jack 21

    “However, they will be able to determine whether they operate under the National standards programme and offer NCEA qualifications or adopt an “alternative curriculum framework”

    That alternative curriculum framework is called PROFIT. Seen it done in the states. doesn’t work when they make a profit on education. The whole concept falls apart because they’ll cut corners for profit. Also, why is Key changing his mind about standards? Too much inconsistency means PROFIT. Follow the money.

  21. prism 22

    Georgy 20
    The purposes for charter schools that have started this off could be a mix. Some that come to mind are –
    1 – is letting private business make a buck from providing alternative schooling to public
    2 – to let church organisations from the fringes to have wider rein at reinforcing their propaganda
    and creating divided communities – Destiny, Exclusive Brethren, sects within mainstream
    churches
    3 – to provide learning for children who aren’t in the oral, aural mainstream style enabling their
    learning with more kinetic approach. Also the hero approach, the leading by example of the
    outdoor man, or the active man with a goal to shake the kids from daily time-filling.
    4 – to tailor learning to the children’s needs – there was a school in Auckland I think called
    Four Avenues or such. They decided that they would give a sporting component by taking
    teenagers to the golf driving range. I remember Rodney Hide didn’t like that. It got shut
    down although it was working with youngsters who had dropped out of school. Now ACT
    is pushing this
    Why this couldn’t be carried out now as part of school outreach I don’t know but it seems that education gets bogged down not in tomorrow’s schools but yesterday’s. John Tamihere is willing to try it. I don’t know if he and similar others are the best, but they may be able to bring another valuable tool to the learning process, and that is include the parents and motivate them to help their kids. I think peer group pressure on the kids can be dominant and for parents to get included and motivated would help families work together and in the end enjoy each other’s caompany.

  22. Georgy 23

    Prism – short answer to your question “Why this couldn’t be carried out now as part of school outreach I don’t know……………..” is very simple. Many many schools would love to do this – but they can’t do it on fresh air.

    If all the money that has been wasted on national standards and charter schools to date was put into a pot and schools invited to submit a proposal outlining ways they could deal to the failing children, then they could get on with it.

    Many schools do similar things on shoestring budgets and goodwill of teachers and volunteers.

    Remember schools mostly run on money supplied for very specific things [staff and resources] according to a very strict formula.

    We have the people, the physical resources – all schools need is $$$$ to implement programmes .

    Lets not waste money on privatisation!!!!

  23. “I want to ensure that New Zealand has a world-leading education system that equips all our young people with the
    knowledge, skills and values to be successful in a world that is increasingly complex, fluid and uncertain. A good
    education gives our young people opportunities and choices.”

    Source: http://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/109317/994_Future-oriented-07062012.pdf

    (Hat tip to Kerry, who posted the link on my blog.)

    So… our education system not only “ain’t busted” – but is “world leading”?!

    So why are we pursuing an American system when they rank so poorly;

    It’s interesting to note that in reading achievement, Finland, New Zealand, and the US ranked;

    # 3 Finland

    # 9 New Zealand

    #18 United States

    In mathematics,

    # 2 Finland

    # 9 New Zealand

    # 26 United States (below OECD average)

    In science,

    # 2 Finland

    #10 New Zealand

    # 23 United States

    Source: http://www.oecd.org/education/highereducationandadultlearning/48631550.pdf

    I look forward to Gosman’s reply on this. (Or he going to keep boycotting me…?)

  24. UpandComer 25

    Once again.

    Is New Zealand’s public education system working for Maori.

    Does Finland have any Maori.

    Are Charter schools aimed at Maori (yes).

    • framu 25.1

      i would dispute that – they are aimed at those who seek to profit from taxpayer funding and/or those who seek to weaken unions

      Thats not to say that a school tailored to maori requirements is a bad idea – but consider two things

      1) a school tailored to maori needs can already be set up under the current system
      2) the people who are pushing charter schools and who these people are funded by

      When we look at what you cant do under the current system – we see the real reasons for charter schools

    • Finland has the Sami, an indigenous people.

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    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Child poverty: No more wake-up calls
    A new report which shows the National Government has made no inroads whatsoever into child poverty should do more than just set alarm bells ringing, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “UNICEF’s  latest Innocenti Report Card highlights the fact...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Eugenie Sage speaks in the 2014 Address in Reply Debate
    I congratulate you, Assistant Speaker Mallard, as Assistant Speaker and look forward to your knowledge, your fairness, and your light touch in being a referee of proceedings in this House. I congratulate also the other Assistant Speaker, Lindsay Tisch; the...
    Greens | 28-10
  • James Shaw’s Maiden Speech
    Tena Koe, Mr Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to speak a little of the past, the present and the future. The privilege to serve in this Parliament was given to me by all those who gave their...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Govt airs real views on public broadcasting
    An admission by the Government that it is happy to experiment with Pacific and Maori audiences shows just how weak its vision for public broadcasting in New Zealand is, Labour’s Broadcasting spokesperson Kris Faafoi says. “National today admitted it doesn’t...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Does Judith Collins have a get out of jail card?
    Former justice minister Judith Collins appears to have been gifted a get out of jail free card based on the Prime Minister’s answers in Parliament today, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “Judith Collins claimed in an Official Information...
    Labour | 28-10
  • The Final Fifth: The Last Great Task for Progressive New Zealand.
    MOST OF NEW ZEALAND’S social problems are concentrated among those living at the margins of what is otherwise a relatively wealthy society. Recently released international data on child poverty has exposed an acutely stressed social strata encompassing roughly 20 percent...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • Myth Busting Rape Boasters
    In just one week a case that galvanised a nation into discussing rape culture is now being reframed as mischievous teen hi-jinx. One year ago the Roast Busters case came to the attention of the media and the public. This...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • Workers rights weakened by new laws – fightback needed
    The government’s changes to the employment laws are designed to weaken workers bargaining power – at both the individual and collective level.   30-day rule The old law required an employer with a collective agreement in place to employ new...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Simon Buckingham – Where are Labour Candidates on disability?
    For the few people who know me (hello Mum), I am proudly New Zealand’s first Autistic Spectrum Lawyer, as well as being the very bottom Candidate on the Labour Party List. (64 out of 64). Being honoured like this is...
    The Daily Blog | 31-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Blockade the Budget
    The ‘Independent’ Police Conduct Authority’s report into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash The report released by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash riddled with inaccuracies....
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • When National claim new anti worker laws provide ‘flexibility’ they mea...
    And so it comes to pass. The first law National ram through as part of their victory march are new anti worker laws they pretend will generate ‘flexibility’. The new law denigrate the unions ability to protect workers and provide...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • City Transport: A Taxing Matter
    This week the prospect of paying tolls on Auckland motorways became a hot topic. (See Mathew Dearnaley:Motorway tolling could hit some hard, NZ Herald, 30 Oct 2014.) As we might expect, the kneejerk response has been quite negative. But, as with...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Open Letter to Amy Adams: Please Reopen The Review Into Sexual Violence Cou...
    Ms Amy Adams, Justice and Courts Minister, Right now in this country it seems that although rape is illegal, it is not being prevented by the agents who uphold the law. It almost feels like rape is only illegal on paper,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmm
    Every so often in politics, a public figure comes out with something so absurd and so outlandish … that it really does just make you go “Hmmmmmmmmmm”. We’re accustomed to this from certain quarters – by mid point through the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Poverty & inequality don’t need protest marches – they need a riot:...
    The global level of inequality continues to skyrocket… Number of billionaires doubled since financial crisis The number of billionaires has doubled since the start of the financial crisis, according to a major new report from anti-poverty campaigners. According to Oxfam,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • If Key knows who Rawshark is…
    I’m sorry, what? John Key ‘given Rawshark’s name’The Prime Minister believes he knows who hacked Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater’s computer and produced the source material for Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics, according to a new edition of a recently published...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Child Poverty stats in NZ
    Child Poverty stats in NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Crimes Act + Police Investigation = WTF
    Just to frame the farce that is the Roastbuster’s investigation and conclusion – here are the parts of the Crime Act http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/whole.html#DLM329057  the Roastbusters are proven to have violated – that the police (and some suspects!) themselves acknowledge occurred: Crimes...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Publishing Journalists’ Home Addresses Is A Tactic Of The Right, Not The ...
    I think I’m starting to get rather annoyed with the conduct of some pro-MANA people over this ongoing Parliamentary Services crew complement issue. Yes, we get that there are legitimate issues to be raised with how some political reporters in...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Aucklanders caught between a tarseal-addicted government and a weak mayor
    Len Brown’s proposal for motorway tolls to reduce congestion and provide funding for better public transport is a weak response to a critical issue. The $12 billion dollar shortfall on transport funding he talks about is mainly for projected new...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • A Very Weird Story: Deconstructing Darren Aronofsky’s Noah.
    NOAH is a curious movie. Conceived as a biblical epic, it’s target audience was originally the millions of Americans who regard the Bible as God’s inerrant word. With the sin-filled works of Hollywood forbidden to these true-believers, Christian movie-makers have developed...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • You Can Get Away With Rape In New Zealand
    Jessie Hume with last years petition against rape     The police have sent a strong message today.  In fact they’ve been sending a strong message for a while; a message that our government supports. “You can literally get away...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Roast Buster case – no charges. In the immortal words of NWA…
    Roast Busters case: No prosecutions Police are to make an announcement this afternoon on Operation Clover, the investigation into the “Roast Busters” allegations. The Herald understands the victim has been told that the alleged offenders will not be prosecuted due...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Key’s flag change distraction to cost $26million!
    No. Way. Bid to change NZ flag to cost millions The cost of holding two referendums and consulting on a change of flag has been estimated to be just under $26 million. Look. We all appreciate that the sleepy hobbits...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Why NZ Herald’s Labour Party crocodile tears are so audacious
    The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away with it No one can take the recent columns by NZ Herald seriously… John Armstrong: Shadow lingers on National John Roughan: Labour’s leadership vote matters...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • The beginning of the end of Cameron Slater?
    Slater postings on man bizarre, court told A businessman has changed his appearance and had to install extra security at his home after Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater posted his business and personal documents online, he says. Mr Slater has...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • We are a milk power republic and Fonterra our unelected senate
    Wow. Just wow… Deputy mayor says he’ll be sacked South Taranaki deputy mayor Alex Ballantyne says he expects to be sacked because he has spoken out about the impact gasses coming from dumped Fonterra dairy products have had on his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: “…But *actually* this is about ethics in political-game jo...
    Yesterday, a piece of mine on the recent revelations about Hone Harawira employing several gentlemen either accused or convicted of sex offences was published on The Daily Blog. Predictably, given the fierce loyalty which Hone inspires in his party faithful and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Privilege cheque
    There was no race problem in my childhood. Living in central Wellington I was well-insulated from what was going on not so far away. This was the 60s and 70s, where the teachers enjoyed free love in the staff room...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • A brief word on Key’s claim that it will be raining carnage
    Isis will ‘rain carnage on the world’ – John Key Left unchecked Isis would “rain carnage on the world”, Prime Minister John Key says, but he has yet to make a decision on whether New Zealand troops will join a...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Meanwhile…
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    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • How does Andrew Little win Labour Leadership and unify the caucus?
    Audrey Young’s excellent column on how the Caucus vote  is shaping up shows how Andrew Little becomes the next leader of the Labour Party. She identifies the factions as the following… Andrew Little 6: Andrew Little, David Cunliffe, Iain Lees Galloway,...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Right of response to Curwen
    You have asked that Hone Harawira deserves to explain what happened, how would he explain when his next door neighbour is an alleged sex offender. What explanation can Hone offer he wasn’t involved, Hone had no idea this offending was...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: That Hella-Weird Feeling When You Defend Tova O’Brien
    Oh dear. Yesterday morning I blogged that Hone deserved a chance to explain what exactly had happened as applies his office’s Parliamentary Services crew complement – and, importantly, that we deserve to be able to judge him on the strength of...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Canadian Green MP warns against harsh anti-terror measures
    Canada’s Green Party has provided a welcome counterpoint to Prime Minister Harper’s call for tougher anti-terrorism laws in the wake of a soldier outside the Canadian Parliament. On October 22, while she was still locked in her parliamentary office, Green...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • When is an asset sale not an asset sale? When it robs from the poor and ste...
    National have turned state housing on its head. At no time during the 2014 election did the Key Government even hint that they were going to privatise 30% of the Housing NZ stock of state homes. Not once. Key even...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part To...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Rua) . Bill English comes clean on National’s intentions for HNZ privatisation . On 14 October, in a report on The Daily Blog, I wrote, In...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • The Questions Have Been Asked – They Deserve An Answer
    A few days ago, allegations that had been percolating for some time about Hone Harawira employing three either accused or convicted sex offenders on his Parliamentary pay-roll came to light. (one imprisoned before working for MANA; one who found himself convicted and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • I have seen one future, and it is bleak
    . . Back in  March 2012, I wrote this story regarding a march to support striking workers at Ports of Auckland. It appears there was some prescience about some of my observations at the time… . | | 18 March...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • US air strike war Key wants us in has killed a civilian a day so far
      The US air strike war that John Key wants us to join has killed a civilian a day so far. From the Washington Post... The United States launched its first airstrikes on militants in Syria on Sept. 23, and has continued...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • The instant Jihad syndrome
    My favourite new term is ‘self-radicalised’ – it suggests the reasons for terrorism are totally divorced from the actions of the West. This need to suddenly ramp up terror laws because of lone wolf, self-radicalised Jihadists seems convenient and counter-productive....
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • We have nothing to fear from Ebola but fear itself
    I suspect most Americans perceive Ebola like this   I can’t work out if the fear being spread within the media about Ebola is deliberate or just ignorance. Yes Ebola is a terrible plague that kills a large percentage of...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – “Meritocracy? I wish.”
    I’d like to start by linking to a post I had published at another site in support of Nanaia Mahuta for the Labour Party leadership election.  She has a reasonable chance, given that she already has the endorsement of Te...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Chocolate milk shortage and creepy Santa? Let’s talk about real news
    Child poverty is still a scarily serious problem in this country and house prices are soaring through the roof to the point where it is simply impossible for the average New Zealander to buy a home. There is also little...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • It’s time to celebrate Kiwi schools and teachers
    Some would have you believe that New Zealand’s schools are in a state of collapse, that your children are not being educated well and that things are going to hell in a hand basket.  That there is no innovation, no...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Ideological Blitzkrieg – Privatization of state housing, more charter sch...
    Pundits in pundit land will tell you that this Government is boring, that Key is the great pragmatist and that it is his ability to create elegant solutions that keeps him the firm favourite in many Kiwi eyes. This ability...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • Hegemony rules but resistance is fertile
    The Prime Minister is a puppet. Not just our current Prime Minister, but given the forces of multinational globalisation, the role of any head of state, is less as independent actor, and more as a puppet of international trends and...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • An open Letter to Sir Bob Jones: demanding a ‘liveable wage’ is not “...
    How out of touch with reality is Sir Bob Jones? You know, that white dude who invested in privatised SOEs after the selling off of our assets in the eighties and made a ludicrous and disgusting amount of money and is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • My insecurity about the Security Council
    As I write this (on 24 October) it is international UN Day. Of course, you all knew that already, right? Well, the day celebrates the entry into force of the UN Charter in 1945. With the ratification of this founding...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Back in That House
    Parliament opened this week and I still find it a very odd place. Most of the people are reasonably courteous and friendly, but the rituals are archaic and the rules around issues like the swearing in oath are oppressive and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Marae Investigates No More
    TVNZ yesterday announced the closure of their Māori and Pacific programmes department. That means they’ve chosen to stop making Fresh, Tagata Pasifika, Waka Huia and Marae Investigates to let independent producers get their hands on these lucrative contracts. This is...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • BLOGWATCH: An Un-Civil War in Labour, eh?
    Earlier today, my attention was directed to an entry that’s just recently appeared on the Slightly Left of Centre blog. It purports to contain the ‘inside word’ from a highly placed NZF source – which is funny, because I’m pretty sure...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Santanomics 101
    Santanomics could mean a number of things. It could be the study and practice of giving. Or it could mean the study and practice of rampant end-of-year commercialism. However, for me today it is the economics of erectingAuckland’s giant Santa...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • SkyCity boss misleads public over workers lost shifts
    SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison has defended the employment practices at his company in an “Opinion” piece entitled “Human Capital key to corporate success” in the NZ Herald on Thursday. A number of his claims are misleading, contain only partial truths...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • David Parker event – the future of work, Sun 2 Nov
    Labour leadership candidate David Parker, an experienced lawyer and businessman as well as a former senior government cabinet minister in the Helen Clark Government, will join three prominent New Zealanders in a panel discussion on Sunday to address...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Roast Busters: Turn Indignation into Action
    People raged about the Roast Buster case. The indignation was justified – it was horrible. “Where were their parents!?” Fair question. I am sure the Roast Busters’ parents and the victims’ parents all wish they had been more proactive in...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Stats NZ only have themselves to blame for postponement
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says Statistics NZ only have themselves to blame for the indefinite postponement of the release of the Food Price Index: November 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • NZ Diversity Survey – benchmarking workplace diversity
    AUT University’s New Zealand Work Research Institute (NZWRI) has released a report on diversity in New Zealand workplaces....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Māori Language (Te Reo Māori) Bill
    Tutehounuku Korako, Chair of the Māori Affairs Committee, is inviting further public submissions on this bill. The closing date for submissions is Friday, 5 December 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • ERA amendments a mixed bag
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act has the potential to put vulnerable workers in a more precarious position, says Equal Opportunities Commissioner, Dr Jackie Blue. However, the commissioner says the right for all to request flexible work hours is...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Sensible Sentencing calls for appeal of judicial activivism
    The Sensible Sentencing Trust is appalled that Justice Jill Mallon has today refused to apply the Life without Parole (LWOP) provisions of the Three Strikes law as enacted by Parliament....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Global Rally against ISIS – for Kobanê – for Humanity, Nov 1
    The New Zealand Kurdish Community will march in solidarity with Kurdistan as part of the “GLOBAL RALLY AGAINST ISIS – FOR KOBANÊ – FOR HUMANITY” on 1 November 2014, 2pm....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Safer roads are better for everyone
    Recent pedestrian versus vehicle incidents highlight the real issues being addressed by delegates as the 2Walk and Cycle conference concludes....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Law change creates more flexible labour market
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act, passed yesterday, will bring new flexibility to the labour market and will reduce the ability of unions to organise and to recruit....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Bumper ANZ profits mean no excuse for insecure hours
    A big rise in profits at New Zealand's largest bank needs to be reflected in a better pay offer and more security around hours of work, the bank workers’ union said today....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Count down to lowered alcohol limit
    With just a month to go until a new lower alcohol limit for adult drivers comes into effect, Police and road safety agencies are reminding drivers of the impending change....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • WorkSafe Supports Forestry Review Findings
    WorkSafe NZ says the Independent Forestry Safety Review has clearly identified the problems facing an industry in which ten workers were killed last year. “The Review’s analysis matches our own view and leaves no doubt about the need for comprehensive,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU welcomes forestry review recommendations
    The CTU is welcoming the today's release of the independent forestry safety review panel findings. "These recommendations must be implemented to ensure that everything possible is done to make forestry safer." CTU President, Helen Kelly said....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Activists will confront animal abusers
    Today animal rights activists will confront a group of wealth advisers who want to build the biggest egg factory-farm in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Turia: Women’s Refuge Conference 2014
    This is a milestone moment in my life. This will be my last official address as Co-leader of the Maori Party. On Saturday night at our Hui-a-Tau, I will be standing down from that role and enabling a new co-leader,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rodeo Code of Welfare ‘Sick Joke’
    Animal advocacy organisation SAFE says the revised Code of Welfare for Rodeos just released is nothing but a sick joke. “Rodeo animals are goaded, tormented and forced to endure needless suffering and gross mistreatment, all for the sake of so-called...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Conservative Party applauds binding referenda on flag
    The Conservative Party are congratulating the Government on the decision to hold two binding referendums to decide the fate of New Zealand’s flag – and believes it will pave the way for binding referenda to form part of New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Walk the Talk – Opposing violence against women
    Soroptimist International of Auckland have organised a walk on 22 November from Silo Park at the Wynyard Quarter through the Viaduct and back to Silo Park, to show their opposition to violence against women. This event hopes to raise awareness...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Recommendations on the Design of Pecuniary Penalties
    The Law Commission has reviewed the use of pecuniary penalties as a regulatory tool. Pecuniary penalties are financial penalties that policymakers are increasingly opting to use in place of criminal sanctions in order to punish and deter misconduct in...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Every worker will be affected by employment law changes
    Every worker will feel the effects of the government’s new employment laws and should join a union if they want to maintain and increase their wages and conditions, says New Zealand’s largest private sector union, the EPMU....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Shameful attack on all workers
    The Government has passed the Employment Relations Amendment Act slashing the rights of all Kiwi workers. “These changes are shameful. New Zealand now has some of the worst employment protections in the OECD. It is embarrassing that a country which...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Unnecessary law changes more to do with ideology
    The government’s employment law changes are simply ideological and are at odds with its approach in the related areas of health and safety and immigration law, FIRST Union said tonight....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU Runanga calls on iwi leaders
    Maori workers are calling on iwi leaders to speak out against the employment law changes expected to go through today. “Iwi leaders have previously spoken out when workers in Aotearoa have been under attack, we believe they should do so...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Educating children not the best solution to alcohol harm
    Alcohol Healthwatch says we need to look beyond educating children and young people to address deeply embedded attitudes and behaviours concerning alcohol....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • New code of welfare for rodeos released
    New standards to strengthen the animal welfare requirements for rodeos have been issued today by the Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • IPCA report riddle with inaccuracies, say students
    A report by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is riddled with inaccuracies, say students who laid the original complaint with the IPCA....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CT v The Queen – indecency convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rameka v The Queen – murder convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Auckland Council Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald article that some Auckland households will face a rates rise of up to 9.6 per cent next year, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “Len Brown’s pledge to cap rates rises at 2.5 per...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Stats NZ staff escalate action with ‘no more meetings’ rule
    Statistics NZ staff have voted to escalate their ongoing industrial action in an effort to get Stats NZ back to the bargaining table with a reasonable offer. The staff, who are members of the Public Service Association (PSA), have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Rape Crisis calls for changes to criminal justice system
    Wellington Rape Crisis has added its voice to the public outcry following the announcement that there will be no charges in the teen rape gang case. Butterworth says the decision not to lay charges will not have been a surprise...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Police action justified in Blockade the Budget demonstration
    Police actions in dealing with a demonstration in Central Auckland known as Blockade the Budget on 1 June 2012 were justified and appropriate, an Independent Police Conduct Authority report released today found....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • NZDF Joins with Australia to Commemorate WWI Centenary
    A contingent of New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel will join their Australian counterparts at Australia’s first major commemoration of the First World War centenary in Albany, Western Australia this weekend....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Reserve Bank should reduce interest rate
    “The Reserve Bank should be reducing its policy interest rate, the OCR”, says CTU Economist Bill Rosenberg in response to the Bank’s announcement today that it is not increasing it....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • 2015 Stout Fellow will write about Māori & Criminal Justice
    Kim Workman, founder and advocate for the Robson Hanan Trust, which administers the Rethinking Crime and Punishment and Justspeak initiatives, has been awarded the 2015 John David Stout Fellowship at Victoria University....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • What John Key thought about ‘dirty politics’
    On September 20, John Key swept to victory to become one of New Zealand’s most successful and popular Prime Ministers. Rocked by scandal, the 2014 election campaign was one of the most brutal – and riveting – in recent history....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Trade Deal Threatens Farmers and Food Businesses
    The secret Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations are a direct threat to food businesses and farmers, and a moratorium on the release of GE crops must be enshrined in law before the TPP is signed....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • CTU announces election of new Secretary
    The contested election for the position of CTU Secretary has been won by Sam Huggard. Sam officially takes office on Monday 1 December 2014. Sam has worked in the union movement and brings a wealth of experience and a commitment...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kim Workman awarded 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship
    The Victoria University of Wellington 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship, funded by the Stout Trust, has been awarded to justice reform advocate Kim Workman. Mr Workman (Ngati Kahungungu ki Wairarapa, Rangitaane) is well known for his work on criminal justice,...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • TPPA causing concern
    Concern over the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) negotiations is being expressed in two public meetings over the next week; one at a presentation on 5th November by former councillor Robin Gwynn to the Napier City Council, the...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kiwis rally to demand justice for ‘Roast Buster’ survivors
    Over 1,500 kiwis have rallied to demand justice after the announcement of the NZ Police decision not to lay charges in the ‘Roast Busters’ saga....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • New employment law will hurt the most vulnerable NZers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says changes to the Employment Relations Act, expected to be passed in Parliament tonight, will hurt vulnerable workers and their families more than anyone....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Consultation to close on proposed place names
    The New Zealand Geographic Board (NZGB) Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa today advised that only one month remains before public consultation closes for 18 name proposals for geographic features and places around Te Ika ā Māui (the North Island)....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Operation Clover – Statement from Police Commissioner
    I have taken a close interest in this investigation and I am confident police have conducted a thorough and professional enquiry in what has been a challenging and complex case. The Operation Clover team has ensured that victims have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Better policy would have protected children from recession
    Child Poverty Action Group says an international report released by UNICEF today shows good policy can protect and improve child well-being, even during a recession....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Outcome of Operation Clover investigation
    Police have completed a multi-agency investigation, Operation Clover, into the activities of a group calling themselves “The Roast Busters”. The 12 month enquiry focused on incidents involving allegations of sexual offending against a number of girls...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • False birth registration brings home detention
    A Whangarei woman who attempted to register the birth of a fictitious child to claim a sole parent benefit was sentenced to six months home detention in the Whangarei District Court today....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Family of Robert Ellis demand a proper investigation
    The family of a New Zealander killed in Indonesia are growing increasingly concerned at the lack of information they’ve received, and the handling of the investigation into his murder....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
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