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Intro for International Organisation for a Participatory Society

Written By: - Date published: 8:51 am, April 10th, 2012 - 98 comments
Categories: activism, class war, political alternatives, Revolution, vision - Tags:

h/t Carol. Apparently some people are only seeing a blank white space where the opening frame of the vid should be. Clicking on the blank space should start the vid. Sheesh. Then it didn’t embed at all when I added the explanation! So ‘fraid you’ll just have to click the link unless some kindly sorts who knows there way around better than me can get the vid re-embedded…

[lprent: The tick is not to embed it. Just put the URL in and let wordpress embed it. It knows how to do it for most of the standard streamer locations. ]

[Bill: thank's for the fix. I'd originally simply pasted the URL and it seemed okay until I added text on the back of Carol's comment at which point it all 'crapped out'.]

98 comments on “Intro for International Organisation for a Participatory Society”

  1. just saying 1

    edit

    • Bill 1.1

      Edited the post’s title…IOPS = International Organisation for a Participatory Society

      • just saying 1.1.1

        Thanks Bill.
        Thought I might need another cup of coffee or something when I saw the new title, and thought I must have imagined the old one.

  2. This post is blank, but being categorised as “class war” and Revolution” seems curious for a topic like Participatory Society.

    The post isn’t blank on firefox and I know of no reason it would be blank in other browsers. Maybe you clicked while another poster was making unilateral editing decisions… [Bill]

  3. hellonearthis 3

    Isn’t this a copyright violation, that looks like an old Simpsons segment and in NZ we have no fair use to use it.

    There was no copyright attached to the original source, so no. Not as far as I’m aware. The original source is here [Bill]

    • hellonearthis 3.1

      After viewing it, it is clearly a theft of the Simpson IP and they have no credits to the original creators of the work. The start is a copy of the episode that Banksy did. http://news.change.org/stories/banksy-s-simpsons-opening-asks-is-slave-labor-behind-our-products

      This work maybe fair use overseas but to use it in NZ where there is no fair use is a breach of copyright and the standard opens its self to a copyright infringement down notice under new zealand law.

      The Original Source you mention bill, stole the Simpsons IP.

      It’s like the Broken Sea Audio case, where it’s legal here but illegal in the USA, only in reverses.
      http://www.sffaudio.com/?p=3146

      [lprent: What a pile of whining waffle.

      1. We have no idea of any agreement or otherwise for IPOS to use it. Nor do you.

      2. The local copyright holders can send me an e-mail. However they'd be better off sending it to vimeo since that is where we are linking to.

      3. Rather than whining here. Inform whoever you think are the local rights owners. Offhand I have zero idea who they are, and there isn't exactly an index to find out. ]

      • Mickysavage 3.1.1

        I am sure Banksie would approve.

        • hellonearthis 3.1.1.1

          And Steven Hawkins? Maybe, but the copyright holders of the Simpsons Brand “FOX”? might not.

          • sodapaper 3.1.1.1.1

            dork

            • hellonearthis 3.1.1.1.1.1

              No need to make personal attacks, play the issue not the person.
              And I was not whinning, I was just pointing out the law.
              Now I’m whinning due to the personal attacks.

              [lprent: Then don't make dumb arse comments that I have to respond to on behalf of the site. Every time that I have to expend time doing that, I consider:-

              1. How to encourage you not to waste my precious time that I could use on dealing with something important.

              2. If I should just kick you off the site so I don't have to deal with another stupid luser wasting my time.

              3. How much I personally despise people who waste my time and how I should express it this time to the jerk-off...

              Read the policy and consider that if I have to wind up responding for such moron level comments again then you will earn yourself a all expenses paid vacation from commenting here. ]

          • mickysavage 3.1.1.1.2

            Funny an Über dark stylish critique of the capitalist system and some people can only see the supposed theft of Global Corporations IP.  How funny but sad …

  4. Gosman 4

    What a surprise – A leftist organisation guilty of intellectual property theft.

    I had a look at their website and their laughable economic goals. Highlights include these gems of comedic brilliance:

    “- no individuals or groups own resources, factories, etc., so ownership doesn’t affect anyone’s decision making influence or share of income.

    – workers who work longer or harder or at more onerous conditions doing socially valued labor (including training) earn proportionately more for doing.

    – there is neither market competition nor top-down planning, but instead decentralized cooperative negotiation of inputs and outputs, whether accomplished by workers and consumers councils or some other suitable method.”

    Why don’t they come out and state they are a Communist organisation – are they too embarrassed by the title?

    • r0b 4.1

      What a surprise – A leftist organisation guilty of intellectual property theft.

      Careful there Gos.

    • Bill 4.2

      A leftist organisation guilty of intellectual property theft. Proof? Or you just jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions?

      …laughable economic goals. Highlights include these gems of comedic brilliance:..

      Have you got any reasoning or argument to back up your assertion? Any intelligent criticism at all? Or are you just ‘barking to your master’s voice’ like a good little ‘Pavlov Poodle’?

      Why don’t they come out and state they are a Communist organisation…

      In a highly decentralised organisation, who do you imagine ‘they’ are Gosman? Do you imagine every member of the organisation self identifies as communist? What about those who would identify as being progressive or liberal or anarchist or any of the other number of ‘ists’, ‘ive’s’ or ‘isms’ that might reasonably indicate an adherence to or belief in democracy?

      Maybe ‘they’ (whoever ‘they’ may be) don’t state ‘they’ are a communist organisation simply because ‘they’ (the mouth pieces present in traditional organisations) don’t exist. That and the fact that the organisation isn’t communist.

      • Gosman 4.2.1

        Their economic prescriptions read like extracts from the collective works of Marx and Engels. No private property, people being paid according to their effort, worker controlled places of business, allocation of labour and resources managed via some magical mechanism not involving markets. It is all standard Communist economic theory. It ain’t new and it doesn’t work. I’m happy to get into the reasons it doesn’t work if you like.

        • Draco T Bastard 4.2.1.1

          It ain’t new and it doesn’t work.

          As it’s not been tried how do you know that?

          The USSR was state capitalist and so is China, North Korea etc.

          • Gosman 4.2.1.1.1

            Cuba has aspects of worker led co-operatives. So to does Venezuela. All the places mentioned don’t believe in private property or the market mechanism for deciding allocation of resources.

            BTW what is this magical method of resource allocation DTB or haven’t you guys worked that one out yet?

            • Draco T Bastard 4.2.1.1.1.1

              Democracy – or is that too complex for you?

            • Colonial Viper 4.2.1.1.1.2

              All the places mentioned don’t believe in private property or the market mechanism for deciding allocation of resources.

              Gosman – in total there are over 200 Russian and Chinese billionaires. So I think that “belief in private property” is alive and well in those countries.

              • Colonial Viper

                In fact according to this, China has 271 USD billionaires just by itself. Which well outnumbers the billionaires in “capitalist” market economies like Germany, Japan and India.

                Looks like China’s approach to state capitalism with a ‘Chinese Flavour’ competes against western models for wealth creation just fine, Gossie.

                Edit – link is here

                http://www.cnbc.com/id/44530244/China_s_10_Wealthiest_Billionaires

                • Gosman

                  When were these billionaires created C.V? Was it before or after the reforms introduced where private enterprise was encouraged?

        • Bill 4.2.1.2

          I’m happy to get into the reasons it doesn’t work if you like.

          Go on then.

          • Gosman 4.2.1.2.1

            It doesn’t price intellectual property for one and neither does it deal with risk.

            • Bill 4.2.1.2.1.1

              Nah. C’mon. So it doesn’t assign a price…a monetary value…to intellectual property (can’t be stolen for profit then, eh?)…And…?

              What’s this risk it doesn’t deal with? The risk of financial loss/benefit? Be more precise please.

              • Gosman

                The risk that something doesn’t pay off or the cost of something bad happening. Tell me how the system assigns a value to that? I can tell you how it is done in a free market system. It might be imperfect but at least it is inbuilt in the system.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  The risk that something doesn’t pay off or the cost of something bad happening.

                  In an actual rational socio-economic system there is no risk. Some resources will get used and, if the idea doesn’t work, recycled. Something else won’t be done as fast but that’s not really an issue – society would have been aware of that in the first place and decided to try whatever didn’t work anyway. The real important point is that nobody loses anything.

                  It might be imperfect but at least it is inbuilt in the system.

                  In fact it’s so wrong that it’s brought about anthropogenic climate change, increased poverty, and put a few people in what amounts to dictatorial control of the planet.

                  • Gosman

                    “In an actual rational socio-economic system there is no risk.”

                    Hence the failure of socialism. It can’t fully understand the concept of pricing risk.

                    That is not stating that capitalism doesn’t have problem with this either, as witnessed by the GFC.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      It can’t fully understand the concept of pricing risk.

                      That’s not an argument against the simple fact that I said that society would be making the decision with full information. They’d know exactly what the cost would be in real terms. The real economy is a zero sum game – if society decides to do something then they won’t be able to do something else.

                      There would be no risk because there would be no loss. The physical resources would still be there.

              • Gosman

                As for intellectual property, I presume you acknowledge that ideas can also be valuable or do you not place any degree of benefit on these?

                • Colonial Viper

                  An idea has nearly zero value until it is implemented. Implementations have value. Not ideas.

                  • Gosman

                    Wrong. Ideas have value when people are willing to pay for them. The fact you can’t understand that is why you are stuck in failed leftist economic thinking.

                    • felix

                      Interesting idea.

                      Does that mean that the more money someone is willing to pay, the better the idea?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Sure, the idea Time Warner had to acquire AOL for multi-billions was by Gossie’s thinking, one of the best ideas in the history of man.

                    • rosy

                      I use some number 8 wire to replace/fix something. It works for me, but only under my unique circumstances. It’s my idea, my implementation and no-one would be willing to pay for it. Does my idea have value?

                    • Gosman

                      Felix, no it doesn’t.

                      Take my example of homeopathic medicine. Just because people value the idea doesn’t make it useful.

                    • felix

                      Then what use is your definition of value if it doesn’t relate to the… err… value of the idea?

                    • Gosman

                      See Adele’s resonse to the homeopathic question below. She acknowledges that homeopathy is a billion dollar industry. Do you disagree that this is it’s economic value?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Paying for something doesn’t mean it has human value. And vice versa. (Not talking specifically about homeopathy, mind you).

                    • Gosman

                      I’ve already stated Iam meaning economic value her. Not social/moral value. Those are far harder to define.

                      You might want to base a society on pricing based on those ideas. Good luck to you. How would you define the value of homeopathy then?

                    • felix

                      I disagree that the fact that idiots pay billions of dollars for tiny bottles of water means that tiny bottles of water have any intrinsic value over and above the intrinsic value of what they actually are.

                    • felix

                      “How would you define the value of homeopathy then?”

                      Scientifically of course.

                    • Gosman

                      I’m not talking about intrinsic value. I’m discussing economic value.

                    • felix

                      I know. But what use is your measure of “economic value” if it’s unrelated to the actual, you know, real intrinsic value?

                      I mean what actual use?

                  • Gosman

                    This goes to the heart of the matter though. If a single pill saved a persons life how doi you value that? I mean how much is a person’s life worth? It is entirely subjective. Some would argue it is priceless. But then you get into problems of whether an old person’t life is worth more or less than a young persons life then.

                • Adele

                  Gosman

                  Ideas are only valuable when they are commodified – it’s relatively easy to have a good idea but try making it happen as a success story – i.e. lots of people want to buy the end product.

                  Also, I think if we can survive this current stream of conciousness than in all probability a participatory society will become a reality of the future.

                  It only requires people to act with integrity towards each other. Communism didn’t work because people in influential positions were corrupt. Capitalism is not working because people in influential positions are corrupt.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Ideas are strange things – the more they’re shared the more valuable they become, The more they’re restricted the less valuable and when shared the person with the original idea hasn’t lost.

                  • Adele

                    With all due respect, Draco

                    It sounds like you’ve watched too many chick flicks.

                    Ideas aren’t meant to be simply shared around like feelgood popcorn. They only become meaningful when put into practise. What I dislike most about ‘ideas’ folk is that they usually expect others to realise their dreams for them. An idea worth sharing is an idea worth doing – yourself.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Sharing ideas sparks more ideas from others who have different knowledge.

                  • Gosman

                    Wrong. Ideas have value dependent on what people are willing to pay for them not on how much they are shared. But thanks for illustrating the problem leftists have with intellectual property.

                    • McFlock

                      Wrong.
                      I’d probably go so far as to say that it’s not actually possible to purchase just an idea. All transactions involve implementations of the idea. Even books. There might be an exception, but I can’t think of it at the moment.
                       

                    • Gosman

                      I can inform you of an idea McFlock and you can pay me for that. You don’t have to implement my idea. You still have essentially valued that idea at the point you paid me to tell you though.

                    • McFlock

                      Okay, consultancy. Interesting thought.
                           
                      Tell me, if every idea you informed me of was never implemented, how long do you think I’d keep paying you? The supposed value to me of your idea is actually the projected value of any implementation of that idea.
                       

                    • Gosman

                      I presume that if you don’t implement my ideas and get some benefit from them at some stage you will stop paying me. However the value of my idea is still based on how much you paid me for them not the benefit you gained from doing so.

                    • Adele

                      Gosman

                      What fool would pay you for an idea only? If somebody has sufficient money to simply throw out on ‘owning an idea’ they obviously have inherited wealth and deserve to lose every penny of it.

                    • McFlock

                      Nope.
                      If you sell horse shit labelled as gold dust, it’s still horse shit.
                            
                      You haven’t demonstrated the value of your ideas, just the gullibility of your clients in believing implementations of your ideas will produce value.

                    • Gosman

                      This just serves to illustrate why the thinking promoted by that group can’t grasp concepts such as pricing the values of ideas.

                      Let me put it in real world terms for you. What is the economic value of Homeopathic medicine?

                    • McFlock

                      or your idiotic belief that something which does nothing, produces nothing, has no form, substance, colour or smell, has value simply because someone can be conned into believing it will do any or all of the above.
                            
                      Pretty screwed up, dude.

                    • Gosman

                      No, I wouldn’t pay for homeopathy myself because I agree with you that it is horseshit. However it does have economic value because the idea has been ‘bought’ by gullible people. Essentially they are only purchasing water but it has more value to them because they think it is doing something and they are willing to pay more than for non-homeopathic water. It is essentiallly the idea they are paying for.

                    • Adele

                      Gosman

                      Homeopathic medicine is a billion dollar industry in the USA. Its been in practise in various forms for a very long time. So what is the point, again?

                    • Gosman

                      You have illustrated my point perfectly Adele. Thank you for that. It has an economic value.

                      Now please ask McFlock whether he believes it has an economic value.

                    • Adele

                      Gosman

                      Selling homeopathy is not selling an idea of wellness.

                      There are approximately 6000-7000 adverse drug reactions reported each year in this country – with a large number resulting in death. So far, no deaths have been reported for homeopathic remedies.

                      Obviously, what is being purchased is ‘holy’ water.

                    • McFlock
                       
                       

                      Okay, let’s look at it from another angle.
                             
                      You are a consultant with an idea. All your prospective clients know that the idea will never be implemented in any way whatsoever, even as vaporware. It won’t boost productivity or improve health or wellbeing, or do anything else. It is an idea that will never be implemented in the real world. Everybody knows this. Perfect information about the economic value of your idea, throughout the world.
                          
                      So tell me: who would give you money in exchange for this idea?
                       
                      My suggested answer is “nobody”. And if nobody pays for it, by your measure the idea is without economic value.

                       
                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Ideas have value dependent on what people are willing to pay for them…

                      Money is a delusion.

                    • rosy

                      Exactly McFlock, Gosman seems to me to be conflating the economic value of an idea with the traded value.

                    • Gosman

                      How do you measure the economic value of something then rosy?

                      What is the economic value of Homeopathic remedies?

                    • rosy

                      Dunno Gos, what’s the economic value of an idea like Unix, Gnu, Wikipedia compared to the economic value of say, an iPhone? I know the first three don’t have a traded value, but the last does, so I certainly wouldn’t value it at the price someone is willing to pay.

                      What’s the economic value of homeopathy? In money terms the (company profit + the placebo effect that saves medical costs) minus (the extra cost to the health system of delayed care for serious illness)

                    • McFlock

                      Gosman, I think you might have missed my question.
                             
                      If you had an idea that everybody from the outset knew for certain would never have any implementation whatsoever, who would pay for it?

                    • Gosman

                      “Perfect information about the economic value of your idea, throughout the world.”

                      And therein lies your problem. You will never get this because no two people think exactly the same about something.

                      I find it interesting that libertarian ideas are dismissed as pie in the sky stuff by many here yet you seem to believe in this fantasy land version of reality.

                      Now go back to Homeopathy McFlock. Does it have economic value?

                    • McFlock

                      Dude, it was a demonstration that the idea itself has no value – any monetary transactions are based around the probability that the implementation of that idea will produce value x.
                                  
                      Let’s, for the sake of debate, assume that homeopathic medicine doesn’t work. So the world has two sets of folk in it, those who think (in error) that it does work, and those who think it doesn’t work and might delay treatment (a la Steve Jobs). 
                           
                      Obviously, those people who think homeopathic medicine does work will pay for treatments based on the health outcome they think they’ll receive. I.e. the outcome of its implementation.
                           
                      What about the other group? Why would they purchase an idea that would not be implemented on the grounds that they believe it would, if anything, cause harm through inaction?
                                  
                      Now let’s assume homeopathic medicine does work. Believers will still pay money on the expected value of treatment, not on the idea. Non-believers will still not bother purchasing an idea that they believe will not help when implemented.

                      So it’s not the idea of homeopathic medicine that has value – it’s the expected value of outcomes from the implementation of the idea of homeopathic treatments.
                                

                    • Gosman

                      But both you and I know that Homeopathic remedies are no better than a placebo , i.e. the user might as well drink tap water rather than pay for the remedy.

                      So following your logic the homeopathic remedies have an economic value of zero. Yet this flies in the face of the fact that it is a billion dollar industry employing thousands of people around the world.

                      Your convoluted logic about the value of ideas falls down in this matter. It isn’t the outcome or even expected outcome that had the value. That value is up front when the transaction takes place.

                    • McFlock

                      Dude, it’s not “convoluted”, it’s pretty bloody simple.
                           
                      And whether or not homeopathic treatments actually work is irrelevant to the price people are prepared to pay for the implementation of the “remedy”. The people who believe they work  will pay (a lot). The people who don’t believe they work will not pay anything. So they’re not buying the “idea”, they’re buying the implementation of the idea based on what they believe the value of the implementation is, and the probability of it working.
                              
                      Hell, you’ve been commenting in this thread that socialists have no idea how to price risk, but you are having exactly the same difficulty of which you accuse others: you are failing (refusing?) to understand that the price people will pay for a medical treatment is a function of the reward from successful treatment and the risk that it will not work.

                    • Gosman

                      Whatever function is used to determining the price someone is willing to pay for something is irrelevant in working out it’s economic value. This is purely the price that someone is willing to sell an item and someone is willing to purchase it. You over complicate matters by presupposing the value is derived from anything other than this simple concept.

                    • Gosman

                      Let’s take it back to the consultancy idea. The economic value in the consultancy is not in the amount it might save a firm if they implemented the idea, although it does play a part in reaching it’s economic value. It’s value is simply in the amount that the person with the idea is willing to pass the information to another person and that other person is willing to pay for that idea so long as they are the at least the same. If I have an idea that I think can save you 1 million currency units per year and I am willing to sell you that idea for 250,000 currency units but you are only willing to pay 100,000, if I don’t lower my expectation of how much my idea is worth the idea has no economic value.

                    • McFlock

                      Gos, CV’s original statement was “An idea has nearly zero value until it  is implemented. Implementations have value. Not ideas.”
                             
                             
                      You have an idea that you think will save 1 million currency units per annum. Fair enough. If I know I could never implement that idea, why would I pay a single currency unit, let alone 100,000? I wouldn’t. Assuming ideas are tradeable commodities (big assumption, on the grounds that one can’t really do due diligence without a transfer of the idea), any value comes from its implementation. What I’d really be purchasing is not the idea, but the probability of a successful implementation of that idea.

                    • Gosman

                      And I’m telling you the implementation of an idea doesn’t determinie it’s economic value. That was done at the point of the transaction when the idea was passed from one person to another and some form of economic value was transferred back. Ideas might even make a loss, (and often do). The value is not dependent on them being implemented. All that means is the economic value of the idea on being passed on to someone else is likely to have fallen significantly (But not necessarily). This is what the hard leftist thinking at the heart of this debate cannot not grasp. Neither can you it seems.

                    • McFlock
                       
                       

                      And I’m telling you the implementation of an idea doesn’t determinie it’s economic value. That was done at the point of the transaction when the idea was passed from one person to another and some form of economic value was transferred back.

                          
                      Fuck sake this is getting circular, but I think you’re almost there. At the point of transaction, where does that value come from? Why is one idea “worth” a million dollars, but another idea is “worth” nothing”? Why would anyone pay money for idea A but laugh if you asked for money for idea B?
                          
                      The answer is easy. Take your time.
                       
                       

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Wow so many BS statements in so few words, amazing.

                    Ideas have value dependent on what people are willing to pay for them

                    Usual shite from you i.e. the value of life is measured by the price you can fetch for it.

                    • Gosman

                      The trouble you have C.V is you seeemingly believe there is some innate economic value in something regardless of a transaction taking place. There may very well be some social or moral value in it but there isn’t an economic one until that transaction takes place.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You say that because you only consider the financialised aspects of economics, not the broader category of real-physical-world economics.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      As an example. I keep a spare 10L container of diesel in the back of my vehicle. It sits there. I haven’t used it in months. No transactions have been taking place around it. But its presence there could easily save my life (or someone elses) at some stage over this winter.

                      That’s pretty fucking economic IMO.

                    • Gosman

                      You are essentially pricing risk there C.V. Congrats on taking some steps in that direction.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And what is the price associated with that risk, pray tell?

                    • Gosman

                      You’ve already answered that question.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      What is it then? What is the transactional price you are referring to?

                      And is the pricing of that risk transaction objective or subjective?

                    • Gosman

                      It’s the price of putting the 10 litres of diesal in the back of your vehicle.

                      How many other people do you know do the same C.V?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So the pricing of the risk is simply $15 then?

                      And is that pricing subjective or objective?

                      Lots of people I know carry spare fuel in their vehicles.

                    • Gosman

                      What a silly question. Is the price objective or subjective? Is the $15 you spent on the putting the diesel in the back of your car objective or subjective?

                      I presume you know some people you know don’t keep petrol in the back of their vehicles. If not you seem to keep a rather select group of friends and aquaintences.

                      I for one don’t keep any petrol in the back of my vehicle. This is because I don’t price the risk of my running out of fuel outside the walking distance of a service station as great as you do.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So pricing in orthodox economics can be largely subjective then?

      • Gosman 4.2.2

        By the way my intellectual property comment was satirical. That stated I suspect strongly that this hasn’t been paid for by the organisation simply because it is so poorly produced and I doubt very much Fox would allow their intellectual property to be b@stardised so poorly for political purposes. That stated they might have enjoyed taking money off these hard leftist wackos.

  5. Uturn 5

    Oh for fucksake drossman, this page of gobshite from you proves you haven’t read any of Marx and Engel’s work. Starting with your claim that Cuba is a working model of communism/socialism and continuing right through to your confusion over values of ideas.

    Let me spell it out for you:

    Capitalism accumulates labour, ideas, resources and money – anything you like. It takes those public resources and places them under individual control – to date, in a purely arbitrary manner, through culture.

    As someone up the page said, if, under a socialist model that works, a collective chooses not to do something, the resource is still there, intact, for a future point. It’s “energy” remains exactly as it was when you first imagined it – actually increasing in “value”, as man develops to understand and match its potential.

    I await your recollection of the method you used to concieve and birth yourself, feed yourself when you couldn’t even open your eyes, exist in a relatively safe community, receive an education, medicate yourself with the knowledge of a doctor at age when you could hardly understand your own bodily functions, among other things, and reach the age you are now. Your entire entity does not live in a self-created vacuum, because despite your infantilism, you are not centre of the universe and haven’t been since you were a toddler, which is where your ability to think and experience the world seems to have stalled. When you have examined even the basic s of how indivduals fit into the greater context, come back and wow us. Until then, you remain, the ever dreary, drossman.

  6. captain hook 6

    grossman thinks capitalism means he can have a dog to foul the streets with and a hardly davidson to assault our eardrums with.
    thats what choice is for noo noo heads.
    and redlogix I am not drunk.
    I just care for the world and not the aquisition of goods and brownie points.
    ok?

    • Bill 7.1

      That critique would appear to come from a perspective that applies contemporary psychological reactions and approaches to work, ie responses informed by Capitalist relations and command economy relations to a different economic model without taking into account the likely or possible psychological affects of that new environment.

      From the experience of a worker…me… (something the author seems to put great store by), the shirking and the over rating of peoples’ effort and sacrifice in the work environment simply doesn’t occur in an environment with paraconish attributes. Peer pressure is a very powerful tool and besides, why would the behaviour of ‘underdogs’ or wage slaves or the disenfranchised continue to manifest itself unaltered in a new set up where those heirarchies that contribute to assymetries of power have been levelled?

      On the wage question, I agree to a point. But then, just because people are receiving money for work, that doesn’t mean the system that is used today hasn’t been abolished. If wages are paid according to different criteria than today, then can’t we say the wage system has been abolished? And is there any reason why workers would need to pay themselves wages if they didn’t want to?

      Even under capitalism it is possible for workers to set up businesses where no wages are paid at all; where the income generated by the business, which is under the direct control of the workers, is used by the workers to provide for themselves collectively and individually without any of the workers being income earners.

  7. Malcolm 9

    “Communism is about reducing effort and sacrifice not raising them to fundamental principles as a sort of secular protestant work ethic. Remuneration for effort and sacrifice is based on the same assumptions of human behaviour as neoclassical economics (that as price reaches 0, demand increases exponentially), which are demonstrably false (there are some interesting anthropological studies to this effect, as well as the everyday experience that if tea and coffee is free at work we don’t all overdose on caffeine, or all become hypochondriacs when there’s free universal healthcare etc).”

    • Bill 9.1

      Paracon is simply about recognising effort and sacrifice, not placing such things on a pedestal. Look at this way. Maintaining the sewerage system isn’t something people want to do if they have options for better, more enjoyable productive activities. Way I see it there are limited options for getting that shit system maintained.

      1. Have an economic system that results in some people eventually having no other choice but to perform those ‘crappy’ jobs if they want to put food on their table.

      2. Have compulsion…like in Command Economies where you are simply told what you’re going to be doing by your political masters.

      3. Reward the performing of that task better than other more comfortable tasks. (Incentivise)

      4. Have no wages paid, but a self managed system whereby everyone undertakes to perform a given amount of the ‘crappy’ stuff.

      5. A mix of 3 and 4….a workers self managed balanced job complex…where wages may or may not be paid according to the preferences of that particular set of workers

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    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • A brief word on why Wendyl Nissen is a hero
    Wendyl Nissen is a hero. The sleazy black ops attack on her by Slater and Odgers on behalf of Grocery Council chief executive Katherine Rich is sick. All Nissen is doing in her column is point out the filth and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • She saw John Key on TV and decided to vote!
    . . NZ, Wellington, 15 September – ‘Tina’* is 50, a close friend,  and one of the “Missing Million” from the last election. In fact, ‘Tina’ has never voted in her life.  Not once. In ‘Tina’s’ own words, politics has...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Eminem sues National Party for unlawful use of ‘Lose yourself’ bhahahah...
    …ahahahahahahahaha. Oh Christ this is hilarious… National Party sued over Eminem copyright infringment US rapper Eminem is suing the National Party for allegedly breaching copyright by using his song Lose Yourself in its campaign advertisements. The Detroit-based publishers of Eminem’s...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Are the Greens about to be snookered by a Labour-NZ First Government?
    I wrote last week that it was smart politics that the Greens pointed out they could work with National, the soft blue vote that’s looking for a home in the wake of Dirty Politics isn’t going to Labour, so the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • BLOGWATCH: Fonterra join 2Degrees and boycott Whaleoil
    In the wake of Dirty Politics, advertisers are pulling their advertising out of Whaleoil. PaknSave, Evo Cycles Pukekohe, Localist, 2 Degrees, Fertility Associates, iSentia, NZ Breast Cancer Foundation, Maori TV, Bookme.co.nz, Dobetter.co.nz and the Sound are now joined by Fonterra...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • PM Key accused of allowing secret ‘spook’ cable sensors to spy on citiz...
    Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald (left) and Kim Dotcom at the “moment of truth” political surveillance meeting in Auckland last night. Image: PMW By ANNA MAJAVU of Pacific Media Watch NEW ZEALAND Prime Minister John Key has been accused of...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Fiji pre-election ‘politics’ blackout stirs media protests, frustration
    BLACKOUT DAY – Monday, day one of the “silence window” in Fiji leading up to the close of polling in the general election at 6pm on Wednesday. And this is under the draconian threat of a $10,000 fine or five...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • “Now the work of movements begins”: government corruption, media bias, ...
    I am so tired of the dirty politics of the National government, aren’t you? I am tired of John Key and his pathetic attacks on award-winning journalists who have spent their careers fighting and digging for truth and good. The...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Moment of Truth review, smoking guns and the awful coverage by the NZ msm
      There were queues unlike any the Town Hall has seen, 1000 were turned away once it became full…     …full to the rafters. The energy and atmosphere within the room was extraordinary, and it begun…   …Glenn Greenwald...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Why Maori TV’s Te Tai Tokeraou Poll will be proved wrong
    If Hone Harawira had a dollar every time the media wrote off his chance of winning Te Tai Tokeraou, he would have more money than Kim Dotcom. Remember the by-election? Hone was 1 point ahead of Kelvin in an exact...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • September 15 RNZ interviews – and then the Moment of Truth
    . Acknowledgement: Emmerson . 15 September – Leading up to the Moment of Truth public meeting this evening, these Radio NZ interviews are worth listening to; . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt link . Alt...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
    Responding to the Fairfax article that taxpayers are extending another $103 million to keep Solid Energy afloat, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
    People across New Zealand continue to express their disgust at the downgrading of Invermay, says Dunedin North MP David Clark, as the Save Invermay petition he instigated earlier this year topped the 10,000 signature mark just days before the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
    Garth McVicar stated at a public meeting last week that he would fight to retain a 24/7 Police Station in Napier and no reduction in the number of police staff for the Hawkes Bay region, some said he was simply...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
    Internet MANA urges New Zealanders to use their party vote to confront corruption in any new government....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Election day is tomorrow – make sure you’re a part of it!
    Tomorrow, Saturday 20 September, is election day, and New Zealanders’ last chance to have a say on who leads the country for the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Is the Shape of our Government out of the hands of Voters?
    In the last stuff.co.nz / Ipsos Political Poll before Saturdays election, National is down 5.1% to 47.7% and Labour up 3.7% to 26.15%. These results are remarkably similar to the 2011 election where National received 47.3% of the vote and...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
    Internet MANA is drawing on the courage and integrity of New Zealand women on Suffrage Day – Friday, September, 19 – to encourage them to pay tribute to the spirit of their foremothers who gained women the vote....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
    Māori Television’s KOWHIRI 2014 – ELECTION SPECIAL kicks off at 7.00pm this Saturday with a five-hour broadcast focusing on the Māori electorates....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Judge’s Decision Disappoints Fish & Game
    Today’s decision to give a Temuka man 100 hours of community service for selling sports fish to the public has disappointed Fish & Game, which believes the sentence handed down was “too lenient and will not go far enough to...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Cutting-Edge Graphics Fire up TV3’s Election Night Coverage
    TV3’s Election Night coverage, hosted by John Campbell, will be enhanced by cutting-edge graphics that will showcase the night’s results....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt rushes to open charter schools in New Year
    The government’s decision to approve four new charter schools last week to open in January next year goes against the Minister of Education’s own advice that the schools ought to have at least a year’s preparation time....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • 7 Days And Jono And Ben at Ten Hijack Election Weekend
    The 7 Days and Jono and Ben at Ten (JABAT) comedians are running their own version of election coverage, with a schedule of entertainment and comedy across TV3, Kiwi FM, the web and social media this Friday and Saturday under...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Fewer Prisoners Equals Less Crime
    In its latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and other Crazy Stuff’,’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html , Rethinking Crime and Punishment urges government to rethink its approach to releasing prisoners. “The public expectation is that the excellent reductions in the crime...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar slams his political opponents
    I want a safe and prosperous society and that can only be achieved if we have strong and vi-brant families – McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Falling economic growth – wage rises overdue
    “The lower GDP growth in the three months to June is further evidence that growth has peaked. New Zealand’s economy is on the way down to mediocre growth rates,” says CTU economist Bill Rosenberg. “Yet wage rises are still weak...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Get Out and Vote campaign a success
    Tens of thousands of workers from all around New Zealand have embraced the Get Out and Vote campaign and have created their own personalised voting plan, the CTU said today. “With three days of voting left in the 2014 General...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Animal Research Failing – So Do More Animal Research?
    Victoria University of Wellington is about to host a lecture on why the success rates of pharmaceutical development is so low and what can be done about it. The New Zealand Anti-Vivisection Society (NZAVS) welcomes discussion on this important...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ALCP welcomes Prime Minister’s cannabis comments
    Mr Abbott's comments came on the same day as New South Wales and Victoria states announced they would be doing clinical trials of cannabis....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Conservative Party Press Secretary Resignation
    The Conservative Party is given to understand that this morning Press Secretary, Miss Rachel Macgregor resigned althought no formal advice of this has yet been received....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • By ACT’s logic, Epsom should vote for Conservative Candidate
    “Polling released late in the campaign shows that ACT is a busted flush and that by ACT’s own logic, centre-right Epsom voters should vote for the Conservative candidate”, says Labour candidate for Epsom Michael Wood....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New online medical system
    Immigration New Zealand (INZ) is seeking registrations of interest for a new onshore panel physician network to support an online immigration health processing system....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Students, You Have a Choice, Vote!
    The New Zealand Union of Students’ Associations (NZUSA) is imploring students to ensure they make their voices heard this election, and join the many thousands who have already heeded the call....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Party vote ACT for three years of stability.
    Voters who are concerned that on the latest polls we may be heading for three years of instability have it in their hands to deliver a decisive result....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Women’s Suffrage Movement – Get Out and Vote!
    Tomorrow, Friday 19th September, MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will cast her vote at 12 noon at the Zen’s Building, Rotorua. This will follow a march through Rotorua that will assemble at 10am at City Focus, Rotorua. The...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • iPredict Daily Update
    David Cunliffe and Labour have made gains over the last 24 hours, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict, but John Key’s National is still strongly expected to lead the next...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Conservative’s Proposal to Abolish Parole Fatally Flawed
    The Conservative Party’s proposal to abolish parole doesn't stack up, however which way you look at it, concludes Kim Workman in Rethinking Crime and Punishment latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and Other Crazy Stuff’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Special Edition : The letter 18 September 2014
    Dr Jamie Whyte has been giving thoughtful speeches largely unreported. So we thought we would put out an edited version on the speech he gave yesterday. The full speech is on the website....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Differences in educational level reflected in voter choice
    Differences in educational level reflected in voter preferences The Green party has the highest proportion of tertiary educated supporters and NZ First has the least according to an analysis by the Election Data Consortium. The Consortium is made...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Renters need assistance to improve poor housing conditions
    Thursday 18 September 2014 Renters are living in poorer conditions than homeowners and are less empowered to improve their housing situation according to a study by medical students at the University of Otago, Wellington. The fourth year medical...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Pacific Island Affairs & NZ Police to work more closely
    The Ministry of Pacific Island Affairs Chief Executive, Pauline Winter, and The Commissioner of Police, Mike Bush, are this afternoon signing a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between the Ministry and the New Zealand Police....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Te Hira Paenga sets the record straight
    In recent days there has been much speculation about my campaign in Te Tai Tokerau. Some commentators have suggested that I should step down or endorse the Labour candidate in an attempt to stop the Internet Party riding on the...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Last Chance to Enrol to Vote – Don’t Miss Out
    Last Chance to Enrol to Vote – Don’t Miss Out If you’re not enrolled now, you need to hurry or you won’t be able to vote in this Saturday’s general election. “Election day is almost here, and it’s your last...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Stuart Nash voted against wishes of Napier Electorate
    Napier Conservative Party Candidate Garth McVicar says the recent decision by the Advertising Standards Authority in reply to a complaint laid by Stuart Nash’s campaign manager confirms that Nash voted against the wishes of the Napier electorate. Robert...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • What price life asks Conservative Party
    The Conservative Party are asking what is the price of life if the killer of a defenceless homeless man who was viciously beaten and left to die was jailed for just 11 and a half years....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • National Stands To Lose Votes If Animal Welfare Is Ignored
    SAFE has presented Prime Minister John key with a 40,000 signature-strong petition calling for a farrowing crate ban....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Statement From Kim Dotcom
    Tonight Third Degree broadcast issues raised by three former staff members who are in dispute with us....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Three Internet-Mana Policies Blow the Bribe-O-Meter to Bits
    The Taxpayers’ Union has received advice that the cost of just three Internet-Mana policies is $17.6 billion - higher than the entire policy packages of the three main political parties combined. Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Pregnancy Help Welcomes Green Party Packs for Newborn Babies
    Pregnancy Help applauds Metiria Turei acknowledging that “for many parents the birth of a new child is a highly stressful and financially straining time” and the desire for every child to thrive....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • McVicar Welcomes ASA Decision
    Napier Conservative Party Candidate Garth McVicar welcomes the Advertising Standards Authority’s decision to not uphold the pamphlet complaint of Robert Johnson, Campaign Manager for Napier Labour candidate Stuart Nash. The ASA acknowledged that one complaint...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Whyte: In 12 months’ time, here is what will matter
    In three days’ time I will be elected along with a number of ACT MPs. I think the media will be surprised and ask how it happened?...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Internet MANA Will Grant Special Residency to Edward Snowden
    Internet MANA will put the case to the new government to welcome global surveillance whistle blower Edward Snowden, granting him safe passage and residency in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Ten millionth traveller uses SmartGate
    The 10 millionth traveller to pass through SmartGate, Customs’ automated passenger processing system, was greeted by Customs Manager Passenger Operations, Peter Lewis today at Auckland International Airport....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Key vs. Cunliffe: Final Live NZ Election Reactor 7pm Tonight
    John Key and David Cunliffe go head to head for the last time tonight and you can decide who wins by driving the worm. This is the last live Election Reactor covering the debate tonight at 7pm on TV One....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Offenders Get Road Safety Message
    Wellington Community Corrections partnered with emergency services, government agencies, organisations and Kapiti Coast District Council to deliver an innovative road safety programme to 70 community-based offenders at Southwards Car Museum on Tuesday 16...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Proposed law to decriminalise Abortion
    http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news2011/politics_news/12/q_a_interview__list_mp_jan_logie_n2.jpgRight to Life is disappointed that the Green Party is refusing to provide a response to the seven very important questions that have been addressed to Jan Logie, spokesperson...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Election 2014 Will Be Costly
    The Taxpayers’ Union has today released the final update for its ' Bribe-O-Meter ' election costing website in the lead-up to Saturday’s general election. Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Roy Morgan Poll September 17
    John Key set to win narrow election victory on Saturday as Labour/Greens slump puts Winston Peters in powerful position as NZ First surge to 8% Today’s New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows National (46.5%, up 1.5%) set to win a...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
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