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Intro for International Organisation for a Participatory Society

Written By: - Date published: 8:51 am, April 10th, 2012 - 98 comments
Categories: activism, class war, political alternatives, Revolution, vision - Tags:

h/t Carol. Apparently some people are only seeing a blank white space where the opening frame of the vid should be. Clicking on the blank space should start the vid. Sheesh. Then it didn’t embed at all when I added the explanation! So ‘fraid you’ll just have to click the link unless some kindly sorts who knows there way around better than me can get the vid re-embedded…

[lprent: The tick is not to embed it. Just put the URL in and let wordpress embed it. It knows how to do it for most of the standard streamer locations. ]

[Bill: thank's for the fix. I'd originally simply pasted the URL and it seemed okay until I added text on the back of Carol's comment at which point it all 'crapped out'.]

98 comments on “Intro for International Organisation for a Participatory Society”

  1. just saying 1

    edit

    • Bill 1.1

      Edited the post’s title…IOPS = International Organisation for a Participatory Society

      • just saying 1.1.1

        Thanks Bill.
        Thought I might need another cup of coffee or something when I saw the new title, and thought I must have imagined the old one.

  2. This post is blank, but being categorised as “class war” and Revolution” seems curious for a topic like Participatory Society.

    The post isn’t blank on firefox and I know of no reason it would be blank in other browsers. Maybe you clicked while another poster was making unilateral editing decisions… [Bill]

  3. hellonearthis 3

    Isn’t this a copyright violation, that looks like an old Simpsons segment and in NZ we have no fair use to use it.

    There was no copyright attached to the original source, so no. Not as far as I’m aware. The original source is here [Bill]

    • hellonearthis 3.1

      After viewing it, it is clearly a theft of the Simpson IP and they have no credits to the original creators of the work. The start is a copy of the episode that Banksy did. http://news.change.org/stories/banksy-s-simpsons-opening-asks-is-slave-labor-behind-our-products

      This work maybe fair use overseas but to use it in NZ where there is no fair use is a breach of copyright and the standard opens its self to a copyright infringement down notice under new zealand law.

      The Original Source you mention bill, stole the Simpsons IP.

      It’s like the Broken Sea Audio case, where it’s legal here but illegal in the USA, only in reverses.
      http://www.sffaudio.com/?p=3146

      [lprent: What a pile of whining waffle.

      1. We have no idea of any agreement or otherwise for IPOS to use it. Nor do you.

      2. The local copyright holders can send me an e-mail. However they'd be better off sending it to vimeo since that is where we are linking to.

      3. Rather than whining here. Inform whoever you think are the local rights owners. Offhand I have zero idea who they are, and there isn't exactly an index to find out. ]

      • Mickysavage 3.1.1

        I am sure Banksie would approve.

        • hellonearthis 3.1.1.1

          And Steven Hawkins? Maybe, but the copyright holders of the Simpsons Brand “FOX”? might not.

          • sodapaper 3.1.1.1.1

            dork

            • hellonearthis 3.1.1.1.1.1

              No need to make personal attacks, play the issue not the person.
              And I was not whinning, I was just pointing out the law.
              Now I’m whinning due to the personal attacks.

              [lprent: Then don't make dumb arse comments that I have to respond to on behalf of the site. Every time that I have to expend time doing that, I consider:-

              1. How to encourage you not to waste my precious time that I could use on dealing with something important.

              2. If I should just kick you off the site so I don't have to deal with another stupid luser wasting my time.

              3. How much I personally despise people who waste my time and how I should express it this time to the jerk-off...

              Read the policy and consider that if I have to wind up responding for such moron level comments again then you will earn yourself a all expenses paid vacation from commenting here. ]

          • mickysavage 3.1.1.1.2

            Funny an Über dark stylish critique of the capitalist system and some people can only see the supposed theft of Global Corporations IP.  How funny but sad …

  4. Gosman 4

    What a surprise – A leftist organisation guilty of intellectual property theft.

    I had a look at their website and their laughable economic goals. Highlights include these gems of comedic brilliance:

    “- no individuals or groups own resources, factories, etc., so ownership doesn’t affect anyone’s decision making influence or share of income.

    - workers who work longer or harder or at more onerous conditions doing socially valued labor (including training) earn proportionately more for doing.

    - there is neither market competition nor top-down planning, but instead decentralized cooperative negotiation of inputs and outputs, whether accomplished by workers and consumers councils or some other suitable method.”

    Why don’t they come out and state they are a Communist organisation – are they too embarrassed by the title?

    • r0b 4.1

      What a surprise – A leftist organisation guilty of intellectual property theft.

      Careful there Gos.

    • Bill 4.2

      A leftist organisation guilty of intellectual property theft. Proof? Or you just jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions?

      …laughable economic goals. Highlights include these gems of comedic brilliance:..

      Have you got any reasoning or argument to back up your assertion? Any intelligent criticism at all? Or are you just ‘barking to your master’s voice’ like a good little ‘Pavlov Poodle’?

      Why don’t they come out and state they are a Communist organisation…

      In a highly decentralised organisation, who do you imagine ‘they’ are Gosman? Do you imagine every member of the organisation self identifies as communist? What about those who would identify as being progressive or liberal or anarchist or any of the other number of ‘ists’, ‘ive’s’ or ‘isms’ that might reasonably indicate an adherence to or belief in democracy?

      Maybe ‘they’ (whoever ‘they’ may be) don’t state ‘they’ are a communist organisation simply because ‘they’ (the mouth pieces present in traditional organisations) don’t exist. That and the fact that the organisation isn’t communist.

      • Gosman 4.2.1

        Their economic prescriptions read like extracts from the collective works of Marx and Engels. No private property, people being paid according to their effort, worker controlled places of business, allocation of labour and resources managed via some magical mechanism not involving markets. It is all standard Communist economic theory. It ain’t new and it doesn’t work. I’m happy to get into the reasons it doesn’t work if you like.

        • Draco T Bastard 4.2.1.1

          It ain’t new and it doesn’t work.

          As it’s not been tried how do you know that?

          The USSR was state capitalist and so is China, North Korea etc.

          • Gosman 4.2.1.1.1

            Cuba has aspects of worker led co-operatives. So to does Venezuela. All the places mentioned don’t believe in private property or the market mechanism for deciding allocation of resources.

            BTW what is this magical method of resource allocation DTB or haven’t you guys worked that one out yet?

            • Draco T Bastard 4.2.1.1.1.1

              Democracy – or is that too complex for you?

            • Colonial Viper 4.2.1.1.1.2

              All the places mentioned don’t believe in private property or the market mechanism for deciding allocation of resources.

              Gosman – in total there are over 200 Russian and Chinese billionaires. So I think that “belief in private property” is alive and well in those countries.

              • Colonial Viper

                In fact according to this, China has 271 USD billionaires just by itself. Which well outnumbers the billionaires in “capitalist” market economies like Germany, Japan and India.

                Looks like China’s approach to state capitalism with a ‘Chinese Flavour’ competes against western models for wealth creation just fine, Gossie.

                Edit – link is here

                http://www.cnbc.com/id/44530244/China_s_10_Wealthiest_Billionaires

                • Gosman

                  When were these billionaires created C.V? Was it before or after the reforms introduced where private enterprise was encouraged?

        • Bill 4.2.1.2

          I’m happy to get into the reasons it doesn’t work if you like.

          Go on then.

          • Gosman 4.2.1.2.1

            It doesn’t price intellectual property for one and neither does it deal with risk.

            • Bill 4.2.1.2.1.1

              Nah. C’mon. So it doesn’t assign a price…a monetary value…to intellectual property (can’t be stolen for profit then, eh?)…And…?

              What’s this risk it doesn’t deal with? The risk of financial loss/benefit? Be more precise please.

              • Gosman

                The risk that something doesn’t pay off or the cost of something bad happening. Tell me how the system assigns a value to that? I can tell you how it is done in a free market system. It might be imperfect but at least it is inbuilt in the system.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  The risk that something doesn’t pay off or the cost of something bad happening.

                  In an actual rational socio-economic system there is no risk. Some resources will get used and, if the idea doesn’t work, recycled. Something else won’t be done as fast but that’s not really an issue – society would have been aware of that in the first place and decided to try whatever didn’t work anyway. The real important point is that nobody loses anything.

                  It might be imperfect but at least it is inbuilt in the system.

                  In fact it’s so wrong that it’s brought about anthropogenic climate change, increased poverty, and put a few people in what amounts to dictatorial control of the planet.

                  • Gosman

                    “In an actual rational socio-economic system there is no risk.”

                    Hence the failure of socialism. It can’t fully understand the concept of pricing risk.

                    That is not stating that capitalism doesn’t have problem with this either, as witnessed by the GFC.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      It can’t fully understand the concept of pricing risk.

                      That’s not an argument against the simple fact that I said that society would be making the decision with full information. They’d know exactly what the cost would be in real terms. The real economy is a zero sum game – if society decides to do something then they won’t be able to do something else.

                      There would be no risk because there would be no loss. The physical resources would still be there.

              • Gosman

                As for intellectual property, I presume you acknowledge that ideas can also be valuable or do you not place any degree of benefit on these?

                • Colonial Viper

                  An idea has nearly zero value until it is implemented. Implementations have value. Not ideas.

                  • Gosman

                    Wrong. Ideas have value when people are willing to pay for them. The fact you can’t understand that is why you are stuck in failed leftist economic thinking.

                    • felix

                      Interesting idea.

                      Does that mean that the more money someone is willing to pay, the better the idea?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Sure, the idea Time Warner had to acquire AOL for multi-billions was by Gossie’s thinking, one of the best ideas in the history of man.

                    • rosy

                      I use some number 8 wire to replace/fix something. It works for me, but only under my unique circumstances. It’s my idea, my implementation and no-one would be willing to pay for it. Does my idea have value?

                    • Gosman

                      Felix, no it doesn’t.

                      Take my example of homeopathic medicine. Just because people value the idea doesn’t make it useful.

                    • felix

                      Then what use is your definition of value if it doesn’t relate to the… err… value of the idea?

                    • Gosman

                      See Adele’s resonse to the homeopathic question below. She acknowledges that homeopathy is a billion dollar industry. Do you disagree that this is it’s economic value?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Paying for something doesn’t mean it has human value. And vice versa. (Not talking specifically about homeopathy, mind you).

                    • Gosman

                      I’ve already stated Iam meaning economic value her. Not social/moral value. Those are far harder to define.

                      You might want to base a society on pricing based on those ideas. Good luck to you. How would you define the value of homeopathy then?

                    • felix

                      I disagree that the fact that idiots pay billions of dollars for tiny bottles of water means that tiny bottles of water have any intrinsic value over and above the intrinsic value of what they actually are.

                    • felix

                      “How would you define the value of homeopathy then?”

                      Scientifically of course.

                    • Gosman

                      I’m not talking about intrinsic value. I’m discussing economic value.

                    • felix

                      I know. But what use is your measure of “economic value” if it’s unrelated to the actual, you know, real intrinsic value?

                      I mean what actual use?

                  • Gosman

                    This goes to the heart of the matter though. If a single pill saved a persons life how doi you value that? I mean how much is a person’s life worth? It is entirely subjective. Some would argue it is priceless. But then you get into problems of whether an old person’t life is worth more or less than a young persons life then.

                • Adele

                  Gosman

                  Ideas are only valuable when they are commodified – it’s relatively easy to have a good idea but try making it happen as a success story – i.e. lots of people want to buy the end product.

                  Also, I think if we can survive this current stream of conciousness than in all probability a participatory society will become a reality of the future.

                  It only requires people to act with integrity towards each other. Communism didn’t work because people in influential positions were corrupt. Capitalism is not working because people in influential positions are corrupt.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Ideas are strange things – the more they’re shared the more valuable they become, The more they’re restricted the less valuable and when shared the person with the original idea hasn’t lost.

                  • Adele

                    With all due respect, Draco

                    It sounds like you’ve watched too many chick flicks.

                    Ideas aren’t meant to be simply shared around like feelgood popcorn. They only become meaningful when put into practise. What I dislike most about ‘ideas’ folk is that they usually expect others to realise their dreams for them. An idea worth sharing is an idea worth doing – yourself.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Sharing ideas sparks more ideas from others who have different knowledge.

                  • Gosman

                    Wrong. Ideas have value dependent on what people are willing to pay for them not on how much they are shared. But thanks for illustrating the problem leftists have with intellectual property.

                    • McFlock

                      Wrong.
                      I’d probably go so far as to say that it’s not actually possible to purchase just an idea. All transactions involve implementations of the idea. Even books. There might be an exception, but I can’t think of it at the moment.
                       

                    • Gosman

                      I can inform you of an idea McFlock and you can pay me for that. You don’t have to implement my idea. You still have essentially valued that idea at the point you paid me to tell you though.

                    • McFlock

                      Okay, consultancy. Interesting thought.
                           
                      Tell me, if every idea you informed me of was never implemented, how long do you think I’d keep paying you? The supposed value to me of your idea is actually the projected value of any implementation of that idea.
                       

                    • Gosman

                      I presume that if you don’t implement my ideas and get some benefit from them at some stage you will stop paying me. However the value of my idea is still based on how much you paid me for them not the benefit you gained from doing so.

                    • Adele

                      Gosman

                      What fool would pay you for an idea only? If somebody has sufficient money to simply throw out on ‘owning an idea’ they obviously have inherited wealth and deserve to lose every penny of it.

                    • McFlock

                      Nope.
                      If you sell horse shit labelled as gold dust, it’s still horse shit.
                            
                      You haven’t demonstrated the value of your ideas, just the gullibility of your clients in believing implementations of your ideas will produce value.

                    • Gosman

                      This just serves to illustrate why the thinking promoted by that group can’t grasp concepts such as pricing the values of ideas.

                      Let me put it in real world terms for you. What is the economic value of Homeopathic medicine?

                    • McFlock

                      or your idiotic belief that something which does nothing, produces nothing, has no form, substance, colour or smell, has value simply because someone can be conned into believing it will do any or all of the above.
                            
                      Pretty screwed up, dude.

                    • Gosman

                      No, I wouldn’t pay for homeopathy myself because I agree with you that it is horseshit. However it does have economic value because the idea has been ‘bought’ by gullible people. Essentially they are only purchasing water but it has more value to them because they think it is doing something and they are willing to pay more than for non-homeopathic water. It is essentiallly the idea they are paying for.

                    • Adele

                      Gosman

                      Homeopathic medicine is a billion dollar industry in the USA. Its been in practise in various forms for a very long time. So what is the point, again?

                    • Gosman

                      You have illustrated my point perfectly Adele. Thank you for that. It has an economic value.

                      Now please ask McFlock whether he believes it has an economic value.

                    • Adele

                      Gosman

                      Selling homeopathy is not selling an idea of wellness.

                      There are approximately 6000-7000 adverse drug reactions reported each year in this country – with a large number resulting in death. So far, no deaths have been reported for homeopathic remedies.

                      Obviously, what is being purchased is ‘holy’ water.

                    • McFlock
                       
                       

                      Okay, let’s look at it from another angle.
                             
                      You are a consultant with an idea. All your prospective clients know that the idea will never be implemented in any way whatsoever, even as vaporware. It won’t boost productivity or improve health or wellbeing, or do anything else. It is an idea that will never be implemented in the real world. Everybody knows this. Perfect information about the economic value of your idea, throughout the world.
                          
                      So tell me: who would give you money in exchange for this idea?
                       
                      My suggested answer is “nobody”. And if nobody pays for it, by your measure the idea is without economic value.

                       
                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Ideas have value dependent on what people are willing to pay for them…

                      Money is a delusion.

                    • rosy

                      Exactly McFlock, Gosman seems to me to be conflating the economic value of an idea with the traded value.

                    • Gosman

                      How do you measure the economic value of something then rosy?

                      What is the economic value of Homeopathic remedies?

                    • rosy

                      Dunno Gos, what’s the economic value of an idea like Unix, Gnu, Wikipedia compared to the economic value of say, an iPhone? I know the first three don’t have a traded value, but the last does, so I certainly wouldn’t value it at the price someone is willing to pay.

                      What’s the economic value of homeopathy? In money terms the (company profit + the placebo effect that saves medical costs) minus (the extra cost to the health system of delayed care for serious illness)

                    • McFlock

                      Gosman, I think you might have missed my question.
                             
                      If you had an idea that everybody from the outset knew for certain would never have any implementation whatsoever, who would pay for it?

                    • Gosman

                      “Perfect information about the economic value of your idea, throughout the world.”

                      And therein lies your problem. You will never get this because no two people think exactly the same about something.

                      I find it interesting that libertarian ideas are dismissed as pie in the sky stuff by many here yet you seem to believe in this fantasy land version of reality.

                      Now go back to Homeopathy McFlock. Does it have economic value?

                    • McFlock

                      Dude, it was a demonstration that the idea itself has no value – any monetary transactions are based around the probability that the implementation of that idea will produce value x.
                                  
                      Let’s, for the sake of debate, assume that homeopathic medicine doesn’t work. So the world has two sets of folk in it, those who think (in error) that it does work, and those who think it doesn’t work and might delay treatment (a la Steve Jobs). 
                           
                      Obviously, those people who think homeopathic medicine does work will pay for treatments based on the health outcome they think they’ll receive. I.e. the outcome of its implementation.
                           
                      What about the other group? Why would they purchase an idea that would not be implemented on the grounds that they believe it would, if anything, cause harm through inaction?
                                  
                      Now let’s assume homeopathic medicine does work. Believers will still pay money on the expected value of treatment, not on the idea. Non-believers will still not bother purchasing an idea that they believe will not help when implemented.

                      So it’s not the idea of homeopathic medicine that has value – it’s the expected value of outcomes from the implementation of the idea of homeopathic treatments.
                                

                    • Gosman

                      But both you and I know that Homeopathic remedies are no better than a placebo , i.e. the user might as well drink tap water rather than pay for the remedy.

                      So following your logic the homeopathic remedies have an economic value of zero. Yet this flies in the face of the fact that it is a billion dollar industry employing thousands of people around the world.

                      Your convoluted logic about the value of ideas falls down in this matter. It isn’t the outcome or even expected outcome that had the value. That value is up front when the transaction takes place.

                    • McFlock

                      Dude, it’s not “convoluted”, it’s pretty bloody simple.
                           
                      And whether or not homeopathic treatments actually work is irrelevant to the price people are prepared to pay for the implementation of the “remedy”. The people who believe they work  will pay (a lot). The people who don’t believe they work will not pay anything. So they’re not buying the “idea”, they’re buying the implementation of the idea based on what they believe the value of the implementation is, and the probability of it working.
                              
                      Hell, you’ve been commenting in this thread that socialists have no idea how to price risk, but you are having exactly the same difficulty of which you accuse others: you are failing (refusing?) to understand that the price people will pay for a medical treatment is a function of the reward from successful treatment and the risk that it will not work.

                    • Gosman

                      Whatever function is used to determining the price someone is willing to pay for something is irrelevant in working out it’s economic value. This is purely the price that someone is willing to sell an item and someone is willing to purchase it. You over complicate matters by presupposing the value is derived from anything other than this simple concept.

                    • Gosman

                      Let’s take it back to the consultancy idea. The economic value in the consultancy is not in the amount it might save a firm if they implemented the idea, although it does play a part in reaching it’s economic value. It’s value is simply in the amount that the person with the idea is willing to pass the information to another person and that other person is willing to pay for that idea so long as they are the at least the same. If I have an idea that I think can save you 1 million currency units per year and I am willing to sell you that idea for 250,000 currency units but you are only willing to pay 100,000, if I don’t lower my expectation of how much my idea is worth the idea has no economic value.

                    • McFlock

                      Gos, CV’s original statement was “An idea has nearly zero value until it  is implemented. Implementations have value. Not ideas.”
                             
                             
                      You have an idea that you think will save 1 million currency units per annum. Fair enough. If I know I could never implement that idea, why would I pay a single currency unit, let alone 100,000? I wouldn’t. Assuming ideas are tradeable commodities (big assumption, on the grounds that one can’t really do due diligence without a transfer of the idea), any value comes from its implementation. What I’d really be purchasing is not the idea, but the probability of a successful implementation of that idea.

                    • Gosman

                      And I’m telling you the implementation of an idea doesn’t determinie it’s economic value. That was done at the point of the transaction when the idea was passed from one person to another and some form of economic value was transferred back. Ideas might even make a loss, (and often do). The value is not dependent on them being implemented. All that means is the economic value of the idea on being passed on to someone else is likely to have fallen significantly (But not necessarily). This is what the hard leftist thinking at the heart of this debate cannot not grasp. Neither can you it seems.

                    • McFlock
                       
                       

                      And I’m telling you the implementation of an idea doesn’t determinie it’s economic value. That was done at the point of the transaction when the idea was passed from one person to another and some form of economic value was transferred back.

                          
                      Fuck sake this is getting circular, but I think you’re almost there. At the point of transaction, where does that value come from? Why is one idea “worth” a million dollars, but another idea is “worth” nothing”? Why would anyone pay money for idea A but laugh if you asked for money for idea B?
                          
                      The answer is easy. Take your time.
                       
                       

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Wow so many BS statements in so few words, amazing.

                    Ideas have value dependent on what people are willing to pay for them

                    Usual shite from you i.e. the value of life is measured by the price you can fetch for it.

                    • Gosman

                      The trouble you have C.V is you seeemingly believe there is some innate economic value in something regardless of a transaction taking place. There may very well be some social or moral value in it but there isn’t an economic one until that transaction takes place.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You say that because you only consider the financialised aspects of economics, not the broader category of real-physical-world economics.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      As an example. I keep a spare 10L container of diesel in the back of my vehicle. It sits there. I haven’t used it in months. No transactions have been taking place around it. But its presence there could easily save my life (or someone elses) at some stage over this winter.

                      That’s pretty fucking economic IMO.

                    • Gosman

                      You are essentially pricing risk there C.V. Congrats on taking some steps in that direction.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And what is the price associated with that risk, pray tell?

                    • Gosman

                      You’ve already answered that question.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      What is it then? What is the transactional price you are referring to?

                      And is the pricing of that risk transaction objective or subjective?

                    • Gosman

                      It’s the price of putting the 10 litres of diesal in the back of your vehicle.

                      How many other people do you know do the same C.V?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So the pricing of the risk is simply $15 then?

                      And is that pricing subjective or objective?

                      Lots of people I know carry spare fuel in their vehicles.

                    • Gosman

                      What a silly question. Is the price objective or subjective? Is the $15 you spent on the putting the diesel in the back of your car objective or subjective?

                      I presume you know some people you know don’t keep petrol in the back of their vehicles. If not you seem to keep a rather select group of friends and aquaintences.

                      I for one don’t keep any petrol in the back of my vehicle. This is because I don’t price the risk of my running out of fuel outside the walking distance of a service station as great as you do.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So pricing in orthodox economics can be largely subjective then?

      • Gosman 4.2.2

        By the way my intellectual property comment was satirical. That stated I suspect strongly that this hasn’t been paid for by the organisation simply because it is so poorly produced and I doubt very much Fox would allow their intellectual property to be b@stardised so poorly for political purposes. That stated they might have enjoyed taking money off these hard leftist wackos.

  5. Uturn 5

    Oh for fucksake drossman, this page of gobshite from you proves you haven’t read any of Marx and Engel’s work. Starting with your claim that Cuba is a working model of communism/socialism and continuing right through to your confusion over values of ideas.

    Let me spell it out for you:

    Capitalism accumulates labour, ideas, resources and money – anything you like. It takes those public resources and places them under individual control – to date, in a purely arbitrary manner, through culture.

    As someone up the page said, if, under a socialist model that works, a collective chooses not to do something, the resource is still there, intact, for a future point. It’s “energy” remains exactly as it was when you first imagined it – actually increasing in “value”, as man develops to understand and match its potential.

    I await your recollection of the method you used to concieve and birth yourself, feed yourself when you couldn’t even open your eyes, exist in a relatively safe community, receive an education, medicate yourself with the knowledge of a doctor at age when you could hardly understand your own bodily functions, among other things, and reach the age you are now. Your entire entity does not live in a self-created vacuum, because despite your infantilism, you are not centre of the universe and haven’t been since you were a toddler, which is where your ability to think and experience the world seems to have stalled. When you have examined even the basic s of how indivduals fit into the greater context, come back and wow us. Until then, you remain, the ever dreary, drossman.

  6. captain hook 6

    grossman thinks capitalism means he can have a dog to foul the streets with and a hardly davidson to assault our eardrums with.
    thats what choice is for noo noo heads.
    and redlogix I am not drunk.
    I just care for the world and not the aquisition of goods and brownie points.
    ok?

    • Bill 7.1

      That critique would appear to come from a perspective that applies contemporary psychological reactions and approaches to work, ie responses informed by Capitalist relations and command economy relations to a different economic model without taking into account the likely or possible psychological affects of that new environment.

      From the experience of a worker…me… (something the author seems to put great store by), the shirking and the over rating of peoples’ effort and sacrifice in the work environment simply doesn’t occur in an environment with paraconish attributes. Peer pressure is a very powerful tool and besides, why would the behaviour of ‘underdogs’ or wage slaves or the disenfranchised continue to manifest itself unaltered in a new set up where those heirarchies that contribute to assymetries of power have been levelled?

      On the wage question, I agree to a point. But then, just because people are receiving money for work, that doesn’t mean the system that is used today hasn’t been abolished. If wages are paid according to different criteria than today, then can’t we say the wage system has been abolished? And is there any reason why workers would need to pay themselves wages if they didn’t want to?

      Even under capitalism it is possible for workers to set up businesses where no wages are paid at all; where the income generated by the business, which is under the direct control of the workers, is used by the workers to provide for themselves collectively and individually without any of the workers being income earners.

  7. Malcolm 9

    “Communism is about reducing effort and sacrifice not raising them to fundamental principles as a sort of secular protestant work ethic. Remuneration for effort and sacrifice is based on the same assumptions of human behaviour as neoclassical economics (that as price reaches 0, demand increases exponentially), which are demonstrably false (there are some interesting anthropological studies to this effect, as well as the everyday experience that if tea and coffee is free at work we don’t all overdose on caffeine, or all become hypochondriacs when there’s free universal healthcare etc).”

    • Bill 9.1

      Paracon is simply about recognising effort and sacrifice, not placing such things on a pedestal. Look at this way. Maintaining the sewerage system isn’t something people want to do if they have options for better, more enjoyable productive activities. Way I see it there are limited options for getting that shit system maintained.

      1. Have an economic system that results in some people eventually having no other choice but to perform those ‘crappy’ jobs if they want to put food on their table.

      2. Have compulsion…like in Command Economies where you are simply told what you’re going to be doing by your political masters.

      3. Reward the performing of that task better than other more comfortable tasks. (Incentivise)

      4. Have no wages paid, but a self managed system whereby everyone undertakes to perform a given amount of the ‘crappy’ stuff.

      5. A mix of 3 and 4….a workers self managed balanced job complex…where wages may or may not be paid according to the preferences of that particular set of workers

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    Labour | 11-08
  • Young job seekers dealt a poor hand
    National's "keep 'em poor" card for young people on a benefit is a sorry substitute for job training, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Sue Moroney says.  The Government today announced it would extend its payment card scheme to all teen parents...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Labour – achieving change for Kiwi women
    Working towards being a world leader in eliminating violence against women and children will be a priority for a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Women’s Affairs policy today spokesperson Carol Beaumont said while Labour had a proud track record of achieving...
    Labour | 11-08
  • A Matter of Whether John Key is Credible
    Headline: A Matter of Whether John Key is Credible Analysis by Selwyn Manning. Prime Minister, John Key.WITHIN NATIONAL’S STRATEGY TEAM there is an acceptance that the facts revealed in the book, Dirty Politics, is chewing away at the party’s popular...
    The Daily Blog | 23-08
  • TDB Political Diary for 2014 Election
    Here are the political events TDB will be covering this election. I will be live tweeting these events and  blog reviews will follow the next day. Internet MANA launch – August – Sunday 24th – 1pm, Western Springs School Green...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • One man’s struggle to find a copy of Dirty Politics
    I’m typing this on top of Dirty Politics.  I got the last copy yesterday morning at the local branch of a chain bookshop.  I was really in to get the paper.  I know it sold out – everyone knows - but the first thing...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • From Tucker to Key – while you were out
      From Tucker to Key – while you were out...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Amnesty International – Justice is not Blind in Ferguson
    When a US cop pulls a gun on an unarmed man, he could be acting upon a series of impulses that have been formed since before he or she could talk. What does that police officer see in front of...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Putting an end to zero-hour contracts in 2015
    All around the world attention is being drawn to what have been dubbed in the UK “zero-hour contracts”. These are contracts that don’t have any guaranteed hours even though the worker may be regularly employed. Unite Union has been struggling...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • NZ’s Foreign Aid: The Party Policies Compared
    For the past two elections, I’ve cast my vote based on a single question, which party promises to give the most money in foreign aid? I grant that this is a fairly narrow and simplistic lens through which to judge...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Steering By The Real: Chris Trotter responds to Paul Buchanan
    WHEN ACADEMICS take to blogging the rest of us best be careful. And when they offer comment on the subject of dirty politics we should all pay attention. I will always remember my history lecturer, Dr Michael Cullen’s, confident dismissal...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • Interview Between Selwyn Manning & Sean Plunket Over SIS Release of OIA...
    During a RadioLive interview between host Sean Plunket and managing director of Multimedia Investments Ltd, journalist Selwyn Manning, a fiery exchange developed after Plunket attempted to “wet flannel” the issue of whether the Prime Minister has been truthful over what...
    The Daily Blog | 22-08
  • “Even though my hours are being cut, my rent doesn’t get cut to compens...
    Fast Food = Slow Pay   Lola is a manager at a major fast food chain. Last year her employer arbitrarily cut her hours from 32 hours to anywhere between 18 and 26 hours each week. “I said I can’t...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Hate Politics has no place in NZ Politics
    I wasn’t going to write about Nicky Hagar’s ‘Dirty Politics’.  There are plenty of policy issues to discuss. Then I read the book, and what it reveals strikes at the very heart of our democracy. My overwhelming feeling is one...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Pak’nSave pull adverts from Whaleoil
    Pak n Save have replied to complaints that their adverts were appearing on hate speech site Whaleoil by deciding to block their adverts from appearing on the site. Their reply… Congratulations for Pak’NSave on making this type of ethical stand. They...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Herald Poll – Why the Greens will hit 15%
    The biggest problem for John Key is that there are swathes of National Party voters who are educated and decent people whom will be forced to read Dirty Politics out of intellectual curiosity and will be horrified by what National...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Dirty Politics and Dirty Media
    The Nicky Hager book is mind blowing on so many levels. The revelations of government ministers and their staff colluding with vile and hateful schemers to attack other people, is truly ugly. When the dust settles on the illegalities, immoralities...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • “You just have to keep on fighting” – an interview with Metiria Turei
    We’re meeting in her office. It’s austere, though she does have a nice teapot. The view is startling. One can map the Bowen Triangle, though the teapot is still more interesting. A group of pink faced men are running across...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Taxation and Real Estate – turning housing debate on its head
    The debate about property prices in New Zealand is disingenuous. It is clear that there is a global process in which speculators are using massive amounts of unspent and borrowed money to blow bubbles in the world’s major asset markets....
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – Faith and politics
    In a week which has seen our collective focus shift to those who see politics as a great game to be manipulated for their own ends, it is timely to reflect on the fact that many people are in fact...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Government’s Own Guidelines Show John Key Would Have Been Informed Of SIS...
    Analysis by Selwyn Manning. INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ACQUIRED, sourced from the State Services Commission, states in black and white the tight guideline requirements that must be followed whenever the SIS informs a Prime Minister of any pending release of...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Simply Not Credible: Dr Tucker’s “clarifications” are only making thi...
    THAT DR WARREN TUCKER, Director of the Security Intelligence Service in 2011, agreed to the release of politically sensitive material – thereby intervening in an on-going contretemps between the leaders of the National and Labour parties – without receiving the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: Evidence of Collusion between the NZ Herald and Imm...
    . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the Herald...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Dear Canon NZ – Malevolence should induce revulsion, it shouldn’t be ce...
    Giovanni Tiso’s analysis on Slater is possibly the best in NZ… It’s been a good week for some of us. A week of feeling vindicated, offeeling galvanised. Where it goes from here will depend on several factors, some of which are largely...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • 5AA Australia: After Dirty Politics Can National Provide Stable Government?
    AS WE ALL KNOW New Zealanders and Australians do not like political parties that are unstable, or can no longer assure us that they are able to provide stable government. And the big question for Kiwis as we prepare to...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • SIS letter means it’s over for Key
    It’s over. I may not agree with all of Phil Goff’s positions, but you can’t question his integrity the way Slater did in Dirty Politics and not be deeply concerned that our Secret Intelligence Agency is being used for political...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • who to vote for in Epsom
    who to vote for in Epsom...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • The Rise and Fall of John Key – who will be the next leader of National P...
    . . It was all set to go: Teamkey would be the cult of personality that would do Stalin, Mao, Reagan, Thatcher, or any of the Nth Korean Kim Dynasty, proud.  National and it’s “Teamkey” propaganda strategy   would cash-in Big Time...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Who said Kiwis couldn’t get a fire in their bellies over an arcane intern...
    An amazing team of activists has taken the campaign on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) to local governments throughout the country. Their latest triumph came last Monday when the Dunedin City Council endorsed a resolution expressing concern about the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National’s Dangerous Education Agenda Exposed
    Putting aside the dirty politics coming out of the Beehive and the right-wing blogisphere, there are some very strong signals that another term of a National Government would do even more serious damage to the public education system. The Education...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • We can have clean politics and get our democracy back.
    Something is rotten in our politics and it stinks. Dirty politics has sadly become one of the defining features of this election campaign. In the light of recent revelations about the extent of nasty and disingenuous political strategies, it would...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Book burning copies of Hager’s book? The next generation of National Part...
    It seems we are getting the next generation of National Party Dirty Politics now. There are claims the Young Nats in Hamilton are buying up copies of Dirty Politics and burning them. One witness was contacted by the Waikato Times...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National Party Poetry Day Haiku
    Key’s inbox and Cam’s poison most foul, there he blows hoist by own harpoon...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Why Cunliffe will be the next PM
    David Cunliffe will be the next Prime Minister of NZ. Labour’s inclusive and positive TV adverts… …are in stark contrast to National’s team of white people powering away from the rabble of the ‘others’… …the messaging is vital and crucial...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • From smiling assassin to grumpy butcher – on giving Judith Collins a last...
    After #dirtypolitics Key isn’t the smiling assassin, he is the grumpy butcher. When he said Judith had  a ‘last chance’ he meant 1 second after voting closes on 20th September. Key would love nothing more than to cut Collins loose and end...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • If the National Party rowing advert was real….
    If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water. If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes. If the national Party rowing advert was real,...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Cameron Slater: Zionist and political pundit
    It is hard to know where to start with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater (Whale Oil), especially after the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics. This confirmed everything many of us thought Slater to be: a snivelling pundit who serves...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Bryce Edwards stood down from Herald for election season??? Are the editors...
    I only found this out via twitter last night and I am still in shock. Bryce Edwards, easily the best critical thinker and news analyst the NZ Herald has has been stood down by the NZ Herald ‘for the election...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • So who’s a “conspiracy theorist” now?!
    . . As the media storm over Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“,  and allegations over smear campaigns continue to swirl,  National’s spin doctors have given Key, Collins, and other National Party ministers a string of  phrases to use in all...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Momentum shift
    When you are deeply immersed in a local campaign sometimes it can be difficult to see the helicopter view.   I don’t know how accurate the political polls are and have always known that things can change quickly in politics...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Dear Toby Manhire. Bad call on backing Farrar
    Oh dear. I say this as someone who regards Toby Manhire as one of the smartest journalists/commentators/columnists this country has, and I think Toby has made a terribly dumb call here. Let’s see if Toby is still singing Farrar’s praises...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Radio NZ apologise to me for getting it wrong
    Radio NZ have contacted me, reviewed the claim by their host that I had an advance copy of Nicky Hager’s book and they have concluded they got it wrong, they have called me and apologised and will make a statement...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Reclaim UoA – Students’ Message to Steven Joyce
    Tertiary Education – we’ve been sold a lemon  A group of 30 students attended an event on Tuesday evening about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which the Minister of Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Can someone in the media please ask the PM of NZ to categorically deny any ...
    Now we see the MO of Slater & Co, the setting up, the digging for dirt, the use of staff to dig that dirt, can the Prime Minister of NZ categorically deny any National Party staff worked with Cam Slater...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Panic setting in for National as they realise what’s about to happen
    And the terror starts to set in. I’ve never seen blind panic like this before  and it’s spreading as the enormity of what’s about to happen starts to sink in. Hager’s book is a mere entree, Nicky’s personal ethics wouldn’t...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics: what the book ultimately reveals is abuse of powe...
    Guide to the many faces of John Key Nicky’s book is now doing what I suspected it would do, create a shockwave of revulsion. Andrew Geddis over at Pundit Blog sums up this attitude best, and it’s reverberations build with every...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Fancy taking children seriously
    Let’s see why all political parties should pay close attention to the Green Party’s policy for children. First, it is a comprehensive attempt to put children, not ideology, at the heart of family policy. Wow, children at the heart of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Amnesty International: Dear Azerbaijan, Stop Torture, Love Kiwi Kids
    This is a world where many adults often underestimate Generation Y. Being only a few years out of being a teenager myself, I feel I can make this statement with certainty. However, I have been the Youth Intern at Amnesty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GCSB meetings today in Christchurch 1pm at Uni 7pm at Cathedral
    The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. 1pm at Canterbury University bottom floor James Height Building: Chair: Bomber Bradbury Ruth Dyson – Labour Party...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about
    Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Guide to when Key is lying
    Guide to when Key is lying...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The State of the Student Nation …or is just Al...
    Students politics are dead and our student media is in terminal decline. The most disappointing thing about university is the politics, or should I say lack of? I was raised with the idea that students held the power.They were the...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Love Lifts Us Up: Thoughts from the Green Party’s campaign launch.
    Author Eleanor Catton wants people to give their party vote to the Greens.Photo by Peter Meecham NO ONE WAS QUITE SURE how he did it. Somehow Bob Harvey had persuaded the owners of the rights to Joe Cocker’s Up Where...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • The Nation Environment Debate with Amy Adams & Russel Norman
    Lisa Owen: Now, this week's campaign debate. As a handful of islands at the bottom of the world, New Zealand is an environmental treasure, and as Kiwis, we're proud of being clean and greenish. But putting that environment to work...
    Scoop politics | 23-08
  • The Nation: Debate Between Amy Adams And Russel Norman
    Lisa Owen Hosts an Environment Debate Between National’s Amy Adams And Russel Norman From the Green Party....
    Scoop politics | 23-08
  • Travel And Accommodation Determination for MPs Released
    The Remuneration Authority today released its determination covering Members of Parliament New Zealand accommodation, travel services for family members, and travel services for former Prime Ministers and their spouses....
    Scoop politics | 23-08
  • Te Kuiti man imprisoned for images of young children
    A Te Kuiti man caught with pictures of children being sexually abused has been sentenced to ten months imprisonment. Sickness beneficiary Daniel James Parry, 35, appeared for sentence in the Tauranga District Court today (Friday) after pleading guilty...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Japan Maritime Training Squadron visit – Open Day, Band
    • The Japan Maritime Self-Defence Force Training Squadron will make port in Auckland from Wednesday 3 September to Saturday 6 September...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • MP Perk Transparency Needed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the increase in taxpayer-funded entitlements for MPs and their families published on the legislation website this afternoon . Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Debating the future of Auckland’s housing
    With only weeks until the General Election, Auckland’s mounting housing crisis will be put under the spotlight in an Election Debate hosted by the School of Architecture and Planning at the University of Auckland. The debate’s topic “Market forces...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Let’s sort this out – Human Rights Commission
    A Whangarei woman allegedly censured for greeting customers with Kia ora can get in touch with the Human Rights Commission says Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy. “We really need to resolve these kinds of issues. I had thought that...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Aged Care Association welcomes Labour’s wages policy
    The New Zealand Aged Care Association welcomes the Labour Party’s announcement that if elected, it will raise the minimum wage for aged care workers within its first 100 days in Government....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Honorary doctorate for Secretary-General of the UN
    An Honorary Doctor of Laws degree is to be bestowed on His Excellency Mr Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations, by the University of Auckland on Wednesday 3 September, both in recognition of his role as an international statesman...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Surveillance of Mr Upul Jayasuriya
    The New Zealand Bar Association joins the International Bar Association (IBA) and other Law Societies and Bar Associations worldwide over the reported surveillance of Mr Upul Jayasuriya, President of the Bar Association of Sri Lanka....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Bob Parker, China State Media and Tibet Forum
    Former Christchurch mayor was signed up to position statement without his knowledge; observed “happiness” in Tibet as Tibetan protesters elsewhere shot by security forces...
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • “Walk the talk to reduce the wage gap”
    There’s just a few weeks left to convince the candidates of all political parties that reducing the wage gaps makes good sense....
    Scoop politics | 22-08
  • Digital Currency on the Drawing Board
    Government policies and digital currency ideas and issues will come together at three public workshops next week....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • NZ Cycle Trail welcomes $8 million fund
    Government funding of $8 million to maintain and enhance the Great Rides of New Zealand will help ensure the trails are delivering the best possible visitor experience, says Evan Freshwater, Manager Nga Haerenga The New Zealand Cycle Trail Inc. (NZCT)....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Judges Comments Bonkers – McVicar
    Napier Conservative Party Candidate Garth McVicar is accusing a Judge of forgetting that he is the gate-keeper for the community and not a benevolent caregiver for law breakers. "The comments by this Judge are not just alarming, they're completely...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Oxfam: World must suspend arms sales to protect civilians
    As the New Zealand Government prepares to ratify the global Arms Trade Treaty, and after ceasefire talks collapsed and violence erupted yet again in Gaza yesterday, Oxfam is calling on all states to immediately suspend transfers of arms or ammunition...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Degrees in Picking up Rubbish
    Responding to the Fairfax media report of a University of Otago survey of Wellington’s street-connected walkways, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Another Union row
    “ The teachers union the NZEA is getting ready for another industrial dispute. These disputes now only occur in the government sector. National has no one to blame but themselves” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Whyte: Speech to Grey Power
    National’s failure to increase the age for super and reform health is a threat to every New Zealander’s security....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Local Govt should not go into business
    “No one should take any comfort from the fact that “Infracon”, a roading company in Tararua and Central Hawke's Bay, is to go into liquidation. This puts the future of more than 200 jobs in doubt. ACT sympathises with those...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Join the hikoi to end child poverty in New Zealand
    CPAG is calling on people across society to join a march from Britomart to Aotea Square in Auckland to demand action on child poverty in Aotearoa....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Ngapuhi Chair Says Enough of the Political Sideshow
    Time for side-shows to end so we can focus on future of our nation – Raniera (Sonny) Tau, Chairman, Te Runanga A Iwi O Ngapuhi...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Commissioner of Police v Kim Dotcom And Ors
    An order is made extending the duration of the registration of the restraining orders issued by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia on 10 and 25 January 2012 and registered in New Zealand on 18...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Labour Announcement on Future of Hillside Workshops Welcome
    Labour leader David Cunliffe’s announcement in Dunedin today that a government led by his party would re-open Hillside Railway workshops was welcomed by the Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU). ‘Since the workshops were shut down in late...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Primary teachers and principals vote to put kids first
    Teachers and principals have voted overwhelmingly against the Government’s controversial “Investing in Educational Success” policy, including proposed highly-paid principal and teacher roles....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunkett: Educating for Success
    In all the turmoil stirred up by the "Dirty Politics" revelations, the real issues that the campaign should be about have been put to one side....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Dirty Politics – Number One Bestseller and Back in Stores
    An exposé of the hidden side of New Zealand politics, Nicky Hager's book, Dirty Politics , has been in hot demand since its release last Wednesday....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Epsom: profiling NZ’s most controversial electorate
    Welcome to the wealthy inner Auckland electorate of Epsom: home of coat-tailing, the Tea Tapes, a convicted outgoing MP... and heavy newspaper and magazine readership....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Families Free From Violence campaign and website
    We are pleased to announce the launch of our Families Free From Violence campaign and our new Families Free From Violence website. This website has been created to encourage people to take responsibility for ending family violence by seeking help...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • PSA And DHBs Reach Settlement on Five Collective Agreements
    The 20 District Health Boards are pleased to reach settlement via mediation on five Multi Employer Collective Agreements (MECAs) with the Public Service Association for 12,000 mental and public health nurses, allied, public health and technical staff,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Refusal to complete census results in 46 convictions
    Failing to fill out a census form has resulted in the convictions of 46 people, Statistics New Zealand said today....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Council Amalgamations Still Bad Deal
    Northland, Bay of Plenty, and Wellington ratepayers should not be seduced into accepting the amalgamation of their Councils by a recent amendment to legislation allowing for local boards not community boards, Chris Leitch, Democrats for Social Credit...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • DHB industrial action withdrawn
    The Public Service Association (PSA) has withdrawn notices of industrial action covering 12,000 health workers at District Health Boards (DHBs) across New Zealand, after progress was made in mediation....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Aged Care Pledge Needs Better Target, Says Care Agency
    Labour’s pledge to set up an aged care working group to address industry concerns is good to see, but appears to skirt the obvious issue of a looming lack of beds and carers for our rapidly growing elderly population, says...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Social inequality still rife in New Zealand
    Social inequality has worsened over the past decade in New Zealand, a new study from Victoria University of Wellington shows....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Working towards a living wage and more Māori in paid work
    The Māori Party will build on the gains it has already achieved in Government and accelerate job opportunities particularly for young Māori....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Deepwater Group Supports Changes to Catch Limits
    The Deepwater Group says the increase in the Total Allowable Commercial Catch for hoki shows the benefits of a long term commitment to build biomass in this major New Zealand fishery....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Ohariu candidate Sean Fitzpatrick
    “Our Ohariu candidate will be Sean Fitzpatrick. Sean has strong ties to the region and I’m glad to hear he will be doing his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the area,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Tauranga candidate Stuart Pederson
    “Our Tauranga candidate will be Stuart Pedersen. Stuart has strong ties to Tauranga and I’m glad he has agreed to do his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the electorate,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party scores massive own goal
    Green Party scores massive own goal as their own policy auditor criticises their fiscal plan...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party’s own Auditor of their Budget finds it dodgy
    “The Alternative Budget released by the Green's does not even stack up in the eyes of their chosen auditor – Infometrics” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • New shark finning laws fall short for threatened species
    Environmental groups are welcoming some aspects of a raft of law changes announced today in relation to shark finning, but say that overall the chance for New Zealand to catch up with international efforts in shark conservation is being missed....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Promoting Labour’s Positive Policies
    General Secretary of the New Zealand Labour Party, Tim Barnett, today launched Labour’s television advertisements for the 2014 election. The advertisements help tell Labour’s positive story for a better New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug Court: Rare Insight into New Alternative Justice Model
    Māori Television’s latest New Zealand documentary presents a fascinating look inside a new alternative justice model – through the stories of convicted criminals....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Political parties pledge to increase overseas aid
    A survey of political parties looking at how much New Zealand should spend on Official Development Assistance (ODA) shows the overwhelming majority of parties are committed to raising the bar according to the Council for International Development (CID)....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Top Kiwis backing Tip the Scales campaign
    Sir Graham Henry, former All Black Kees Meeuws, singer-song writer Jamie McDell and fishing guru Matt Watson have pledged their support to Tip the Scales, a pre-election campaign generating public support for rebuilding New Zealand’s depleted inshore...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Maritime Union continues to press over dirty politics
    Maritime Union National President Garry Parsloe says Ports of Auckland management is trying to get off the hook from its involvement with extreme right wing bloggers during the Ports of Auckland dispute....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • No end in sight to overwhelming human cost of conflict
    Two ceasefires have brought some respite to civilians in Gaza and southern Israel, amid hope that a durable cessation of hostilities might occur. In Gaza, these breaks in the fighting have barely given people enough time to seek medical care,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Young Kiwi speakers to represent NZ at Gallipoli 2015
    The RSA is delighted at the announcement made by Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Woodhouse today, that all eight regional finalists of the 2015 ANZ RSA Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition will be included in a group of 25 Youth Ambassadors...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
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