Isolating change: the poverty of education

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1. geoff 1

   24 January 2014 at 11:30 am

   grammar nazi (sorry)

   right at the start
   “John Key’s has…”

   A few lines from top
   “The he tried ”

   also Ian leckie paragraph
   “He welcome’s…”
   • karol 1.1

     24 January 2014 at 11:32 am

     Thanks. Are the audio clips working for you? They just keep buffering for me and not playing.
     • geoff 1.1.1

       24 January 2014 at 11:43 am

       Yeah I’m just getting buffering as well.
       • karol 1.1.1.1

         24 January 2014 at 11:59 am

         Thanks for the proof read – I’m proof-challenged since I went bak to using firefox. Chrome keeps playing up for me, but it did provide a spell & grammar check.

         I don’t know why the mp3 links won’t play.

         Have added a link to RNZ pages where the audio clips can be played.
         • lprent 1.1.1.1.1

           24 January 2014 at 12:02 pm

           Give me access to the post edit for a few minutes and I’ll have a check
           • karol 1.1.1.1.1.1

             24 January 2014 at 12:39 pm

             Thanks, Lynn – the audio clips are playing now.
         • geoff 1.1.1.1.2

           24 January 2014 at 12:08 pm

           something like this firefox extension might be useful to you? (I haven’t tried it)…
           https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ginger-grammar-and-spell-ch/

           But it may only be for american English, not sure.
           • karol 1.1.1.1.2.1

             24 January 2014 at 12:14 pm

             Thanks. I do have a spell check extension already on FF, but it doesn’t seem to work. Have installed that one. Will see.
         • lprent 1.1.1.1.3

           24 January 2014 at 12:48 pm

           Ok the trick is that if you have more than one audio clip on a page, then you must use the format (without the spaces) of
           [ audio : url ]

           http://wpaudioplayer.com/usage/
           • karol 1.1.1.1.3.1

             24 January 2014 at 12:53 pm

             OK. Thanks. I think in the past I just pasted the url. But maybe I only did it for one audio clip per post.
             • lprent …

               24 January 2014 at 2:13 pm

               That would be my bet. I’ll add that to the look at list. The audioplayer plugin hasn’t had an update since 2009.
     • lprent 1.1.2

       24 January 2014 at 12:01 pm

       They just keep buffering for me and not playing.

       Same for me – looks like the other side.
     • David H 1.1.3

       25 January 2014 at 9:31 am

       This guy was good tho’ Proffesior David Berliner.

       http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2583337
   • Mel 1.2

     24 January 2014 at 11:42 am

     Exactly.

     I view this as part of National’s election year lolly scramble. Dropping in ‘change agents’ (Hate these business terms for human endeavours) has been shown again and again either to not work, or to fade over time.

     Politicians need to stop meddling in education, realise the pervasive effect of poverty on people, put in place steps to alleviate this, begin working together with each other (across party accords) and with teachers, if we want to make improvements.
     • aerobubble 1.2.1

       24 January 2014 at 3:54 pm

       Isn’t it obvious it won’t work, I mean what principal of a school would seek to advertize their problems by having a ‘expert’ principal look over their shoulder. Sure where boards are at odds with their principal…

       …look its pretty clear National Standards means, for National, declaring which schools are bad and which are good. And so giving parents the choice of school, if they are wealthy enough to take their kids to the other side of town. Now why should this shock you, well clearly the underlying theme of us and them, of climbing zombie like over your neighbors, having status of better class of people who send their kids to a better school, all feed into the narrative, that
       profit at any cost. Its pure ideology, and Key admits as much by bringing up ideology as not the reason, because he knows the point hits home.

       Key does not want a efficient economy, because you see there’s a divergence between those
       who build the economy (who worry about the shrinking income tax base as boomer retire) who want more choice of employees (all better educated) and Key who need inequality.

       What is the Auckland school zone but another National party base ideological agenda, to make money out of schools. The whole point of measuring schools is to profit from them. But again the future needs a broader pool of varied skills and experience, so how is forcing everyone to pass the same metrics going to produce them. Its a one box mentality.
2. Pasupial 2

   24 January 2014 at 11:42 am

   Thanks for this post Karol – illuminating as ever. I’ve been commenting in a similar vein over on Open Mike, but it’s starting to make my hand ache countering that PR campaign (a minor cut that has slowed my typing this week).
3. Zorr 3

   24 January 2014 at 12:03 pm

   The last thing the education system needs right now is more money at the wrong end. I can’t understand those who see a policy such as this and, because it’s a lolly scramble in their direction, can’t see past the sweets.

   What point is there to paying our educators more if:

   a) They’re teaching to the test – get rid of National Standards already

   b) They’re not getting paid – fix payroll already and get rid of Talentless2

   c) They’re not socially respected – our neo-lib masters have been deriding the teaching profession for decades now as they are a bastion of organized, educated unions and this has resulted in a community that is divided over our education system

   d) We have not yet returned to evidence-based education policy – we previously listened to our experts, can we have this back before we throw more money in a pit?

   e) Stop out-sourcing schooling – if we are to be paying teachers for performing, then they should all be required to be meeting the same goals (I smell a potential rort right here for state-integrated and charter schools)

   The list could continue ad infinitum – the amount of damage done to the education system is almost beyond measure these days. We need to reset the broken bone and put it in a splint while we heal, not this sticking plaster. Without comprehensive policy changes to back this up, this is nothing but flash and sizzle.
   • Chooky 3.1

     24 January 2014 at 3:07 pm

     Good Post karol and Zorr +100

     Keys changes for education are most underwhelming…apart from the other factors which drive educational excellence and which the National govt has consistently undermined ….this is a USA Neo liberal inspired attack on teachers( it is being done in the USA)…blaming teachers by implication for for our unravelling international education quality and laying the ground for privatising and charter schools

     …..why not just bring back the old school inspectorate to advise schools and teachers? ( this inspectorate was made of very experienced older teachers nearing retirement and deemed excellent at their jobs and they didnt cost much more!)

     …. this would be without the huge cronyist monetary incentivist bribes to those Principals the Nact govt deems as ‘excellent’ to advise everyone else especially ‘under performing’ schools from low socio economic areas ( irony irony)

     …..the potential for a cronyist fascist top down education is here imo….….ie you are only an excellent Principal deserving of tens of thousands more in your pay packet if you are a Nact supporter and do not criticise the Nact govt ( and for God’s sake don’t even think about teaching critical thinking!)
     • aerobubble 3.1.1

       24 January 2014 at 4:01 pm

       ACC Doctors. The pattern. Doctors chosen for their past results at getting ACC claims denied.

       Now the principals union welcomes the same practice of ‘experts’.

       Expects who will be selected on their ability to impose National Standards.

       Invariably impose upon schools who are at odds with their boards, or have fail to impose National standards….

       ..and then there’s the joke, that National will claim victory when they don’t spend all 300 million.

       Its just politics wrap in ideology wrap in politics.
   • Anne 3.2

     24 January 2014 at 3:08 pm

     +1 Zorr

     Is it true that John Key used the term “the teacher industry”? If it is true then that says it all. It’s no longer a profession run by the government for the education of all children regardless of their background? It’s now an industry based on market-led ideology and the teachers are the human component in that market place bidding for the top paid jobs? So, what’s the price they must pay? Join the Neo Lib movement and pray openly to the NL god – money?

     And what of the children? Well, it looks like they are just the assembly line bits on the factory floor. The teachers will be competing with one another (instead of working together) to see who can push these ‘bits’ through to the other end in the quickest time possible. The winners get to be CEOs and Executive members of the “teaching industry”.

     And all this is disguised as a supposed upgrade to our system of education. Will there be a board of directors made up of NACT business tycoons and a few token educators known by the govt. to have right wing sympathies?

     That the teacher unions and related bodies have apparently fallen for it – blindsided by the offer of bonus salaries that most of them will never actually see? – just beggars belief.
     • karol 3.2.1

       24 January 2014 at 3:12 pm

       Anne, it looks more like the secondary teachers’ union have gone for it, but the union for primary/early childhood teachers is less supportive of Key’ policy.
       • Anne 3.2.1.1

         24 January 2014 at 3:24 pm

         Thanks karol. Doesn’t say much for the secondary teachers union. In some ways it doesn’t surprise me. Many of them do see themselves as a cut above their counterparts in the primary and early childhood sectors.

         I have a close relative in the early childhood sector. She’s not a political animal by any means but there’s no way she will have fallen for it!
     • Chooky 3.2.2

       24 January 2014 at 3:38 pm

       +100 Anne
     • Hami Shearlie 3.2.3

       24 January 2014 at 11:20 pm

       Yes he did call it the “teaching industry” Anne – that should have sent warning bells to all parents and teachers!
       • Will@Welly 3.2.3.1

         25 January 2014 at 9:53 am

         Then we are in trouble. Peter Marshall also referred to the Police as a “business”. Money, not justice.
         The teaching profession has been in trouble for a number of years. I personally have had 5 relatives leave the industry – one a very well paid, high flying principal, and off-hand, I know of around 6 – 7 trained teachers who have left the profession as well, citing stress and disenchantment. Too often today, teaching is an extension of the MSD, not education.
4. Fisiani 4

   24 January 2014 at 12:28 pm

   David Farrar puts it well. The response to John Key was overwhelmingly supportive but there were a few naysayers

   “The most negative of all was the Green Party:

   National’s announcement of four additional teacher roles won’t address the key reason for our decline in education performance, growing inequality, says the Green Party.

   “Growing inequality in New Zealand is negatively impacting on our kids learning. Sick and hungry kids can’t learn. This policy does nothing for kids and families living in poverty.

   Let’s put this one to bed. Even if this was true (it is not), this is an announcement on education, not welfare. Turei seems to say we should do nothing to improve the education system while some families are poorer than others. How depressing. I want to see more families doing better, but there is no magic wand. Getting people out of poverty is often a generational thing as you have to confront parenting skills, welfare dependency, employment, drug and alcohol issues, and oh yeah education.

   But let’s deal with the big lie. I call it a lie, because the amount of research on what influences educational outcomes is massive. There have been over 50,000 studies. Over 800 meta-analysis done involving 200 million students. Professor John Hattie has done a meta meta analysis of all these studies and identified 138 factors that influence educational outcomes. Not one factor, but 138. Greens think there is just one.

   Now socio-economic status is important. It definitely is an influence. There have been 499 studies that looked at its effect. But is it the biggest influence. No. Is it second? No. Third? No. Top 10? Still no. Top 20? Still a no. It is No 32 and home environment by the way is No 31.

   So the next time the Greens say the key reason for educational decline is poverty or income inequality, don’t beat around the bush. Call them a liar.”

   [karol: do you have your own views, Fisiani? Reposting an entire Farrar post, without any links to the original is not an acceptable comment. Are you capable of making your own argument, rather than just being a Farrar echo-chamber? Any further attempts at such parroting will be deleted. I will say that geoff’s recommended spell & grammar check extension is working. DPF also needs an editor.]
   • Hayden 4.1

     24 January 2014 at 12:48 pm

     Greens think there is just one.

     Lie.

     For reference:

     National’s announcement of four additional teacher roles won’t address the key reason(1) for our decline in education performance(2), growing inequality, says the Green Party.

     1: “the key reason” necessarily implies that there are other reasons

     2: causing the decline in performance, not the overall performance

     On the other hand, maybe David Farrar is psychic, in which case I bow to his superior knowledge of what the Greens think.

     Edited: No [sup] tags.
   • Molly 4.2

     24 January 2014 at 1:09 pm

     If you are going to refer to Hattie as not finding poverty a criteria in raising performance – you’d better have a look at the book.

     Very little searching can find a review with pertinent points:

     The commentary raises a number of concerns, including the fact that social effects and background context are ruled out.

     “(This) is not a book about what cannot be influenced in schools – thus critical discussions about class, poverty, resource in families, health in families and nutrition are not included – but this is NOT because they are unimportant, indeed they may be more important than many of the issues discussed in this book. It is just that I have not included these topics in my orbit,” Hattie says.

     The commentators however are very concerned about this attitude.

     “Hattie acknowledges the important role of socio-economic status and home background… but chooses to ignore it. That is his choice: but it is easy for those seeking to make policy decisions to forget this significant qualification,” they say.

     Professor Snook hoped the commentary would prompt John Hattie to discuss the issues it raised.

     “I would like to see a good debate on these issues,” he said.
     • Hayden 4.2.1

       24 January 2014 at 2:10 pm

       You can see the full list here:

       http://visible-learning.org/hattie-ranking-influences-effect-sizes-learning-achievement/

       “Quality of Teaching” is #56 (assuming I can count, they’re not numbered), well behind “Pre-term birth weight” at #38. Can I assume that National will prioritise fatter (or skinnier, who would know?) babies before worrying about teacher quality? “Principals/school leaders” is at #74, so better ignore those, too.

       Other influences are listed as “Science”, “Mathematics”, “Whole Language” and “Drugs”; how the hell are those supposed to be compared by their position in the list?
   • Chooky 4.3

     24 January 2014 at 3:37 pm

     @ Fisiani…you and Farrar are Key and Joyce are full of bullshit!

     …you are representatives and spinners of a most INEGALITARIAN right wing force originating in the USA which seeks to commercialise New Zealand education and turn it into a business.

     ….this is why John Key’s Nact govt and Ministry of Education and Treasury keep taking advice from private consultants with no education background but who are influenced by USA Neo Liberal private education buinesses eg USA Charter School businesses

     ….We dont need this commercial business model of education in New Zealand!

     Labour and the teacher unions should be listening to our own professors and lecturers in Education without a commercial axe to grind and who have years of international educational research annalysis under their belts

     ….what Nact is proposing, in paying certain selected ( Nact amenable) ‘excellent ‘ Principals tens of thousands of dollars more than their hard working peers….. will undermine our egalitarian education system…. into a fascist cronyist right wing commercial top down education system

     Hekia Parata is just a pawn in the game for these ideas and spinners …she is not the originator

     USA Professor Diane Ravitch is explicit on the strategy of undermining State education and Unions by blaming teachers for poor educational outcomes, while at the same time starving State Schools of funding and ignoring the fact that it is poverty which has the most major effect on educational outcome.

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Ravitch

     The National Party is following this agenda towards undermining quality NZ State Education and turning New Zealand education into a business for their mates.

     Lets hope a Labour /Green/Mana/NZF/Dotcom(?) 2014 Govt exposes John Key’s Nact lies about wanting an egalitarian education!

     …..and pours the money into upgrading NZ State Schools ( which have been starved of funds for the terms of Key’s Nact govt)…….and works towards providing a free high quality tertiary education( university , polytech, apprenticeships, internships) for all New Zealanders ….right up to and including PhD level
   • Hayden 4.4

     24 January 2014 at 7:10 pm

     Also, since when is John Hattie the sole arbiter of truth? Is merely disagreeing with Hattie’s findings from his “meta-meta” studies, the methodology of which we don’t know, “lying” now?

     Anyway, I doubt Fisiani’s going to come back to defend Farrar’s lying about Turei’s lying, so it’s a bit of a moot point.
5. Tombstone 5

   24 January 2014 at 12:37 pm

   Key’s speech was complete and utter bullshit. If that’s an inspired leader then fuck me … we’re doomed! RE: Education – I’ll give you a sweetie if you give me your vote. BRIBE! I’m a Cantabrian – I’ll never forget what they did to our schools and the heartache they caused so many kids, families and dedicated, hard working teachers. I’d rather chew broken glass than give that knob my vote. Time for change. PS I grew up in a poor neighborhood – Key wouldn’t know the first thing about poverty and how it effects kids because if he did he wouldn’t be running the country as he is now and rewarding his fat little buddies at every given turn while screwing over everyone else to pay for it. The guy is a wanker. Pure and simple. Bring on the election!
   • Saarbo 5.1

     24 January 2014 at 1:46 pm

     Nicely put.
   • Mainlander 5.2

     24 January 2014 at 2:13 pm

     Speaking of bullshit nice rant, im impressed you never let the facts get in the way once
     • Hayden 5.2.1

       24 January 2014 at 3:05 pm

       You don’t believe he’s a Cantabrian?
   • Tim 5.3

     24 January 2014 at 8:32 pm

     +1.
     I’m also a Cantabrian (by birth). I’ll never forget what Brownlee and Co did to my city by way of his scorched Earth policy.
     A bit of a sidebar …. but Natzi’s are not only seeing it as a ‘tunety’ for soshul spearimentashun including edge ikayshun polsee, but since the damaging quakes, the ENTIRE recovery process is based on a ‘market rulz OK?’
     When New Zulluniz wake the fuck up (as they surely will) – some from the trauma of ongoing shaking, others from the anaesthetic of marketised esprayshnull hope and spin that comes to NO THING, I hope I’ve left the country because they’ll be looking for people to blame – and there are some pretty obvious candidates. (They’ll prolly be in some gated community somewhere with privatised skewer tee agents with Glocks at the ready)

     Interesting discussion on Natrad this AM with the most regular Gal interviewing Heck Yea, followed by an American guest (who to my mind, succesfully burst her Buble).

     Just as ChCh EQC recovery is an example to the world on how NOT to do things, so too will Heck Yea’s initiatives (pardon the abuse of the word) be an example with education.

     Never mind though aye? I gotta go aye! I think American Idol is on sumwhere on TV – and if not I’ve got a ‘choice’ of shopping channels to aspire over.
     GOD STREWTH …. I’m really going to get off my butt cos I want one of those new Plesma TVs – Rawdon and those sidekicks get my vote! (Aye!)
6. captain hook 6

   24 January 2014 at 2:18 pm

   so how much did donkeyote pay hooton for that little gem?
7. Bill 7

   24 January 2014 at 2:39 pm

   I can’t understand why no-one is calling this for what it is – there’s a goon squad about to set loose on the education system.

   National’s education policy has been about making education measurable in order to smooth the process of privatisation. And the teaching profession has resisted the whole shebang. So now, for rather more than a mere 30 pieces of silver, those within education who support the National party programme or those who can be bought, get to be enforcers.

   That’s all National’s policy is. The creation of an expensive corporate bureaucracy intended to enforce a measurable education system that can then be privatised.

   Yes, there is poverty and a whole raft of phenomena that impact on education. But for fucks sake, surely in terms of a reaction to National, there is a need to focus mercilessly on exactly what National are doing and call a spade a spade, no?
   • Chooky 7.1

     24 January 2014 at 2:55 pm

     @ Bill

     the Teachers Unions have been bought or they are politically naive…..this sharing of expertise could have been done by bringing back the old School Inspectorate …without the cronyist tens of thousands of dollars rewards for so called ‘excellent’ Nact compliant Principals

     …it will not solve the decline of State Education in New Zealand …which has been starved of finance and support from this Nact Govt which is intent on rewarding privatisation of education

     Teachers unions should be listening to NZ University research education academic experts or overseas ones such as Diane Ravitch

     http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-ravitch/obamas-race-to-the-top-wi_b_666598.html

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Ravitch

     ‘The Death and Life of the Great American School System: How Testing and Choice Undermine Education’ by Professor Diane Ravitch
   • karol 7.2

     24 January 2014 at 3:03 pm

     Partly I think that the opposition parties don’t want to buy into the Nat’s framing – Key would like nothing more than for the election agenda to focus on their narrow education policy. Cunliffe is positioning himself for a much broader political agenda – setting his own agenda, and the Greens want to work with a wider framing around poverty.

     Other critics have commented on the corporatisation of education – see Gordon Campbell for instance on how Key’s education policy fits the National Party’s agenda for education (as linked in my post.
     • Bill 7.2.1

       24 January 2014 at 3:21 pm

       Yeah, I’m not suggesting that opposition parties or anyone else ‘buy into’ National’s framing. I’m suggesting that in the narrow context of a response to this policy, that it’s simply ‘called out’ for what it is. Then let the Nats defend themselves against the accusation…the reality, if they want to.

       That doesn’t prevent more progressive or holistic approaches being put out there by who-ever. But it does kill Nationals b/s dead, as opposed to leaving it to swirl around in the general debate/discussion.

       edit – and should National persist, then every time they bring it up, instantly dismiss it as ‘the Goon Squad policy’ – or whatever other catchy, short and to the point phrase anyone cares to come up with.
     • KJT 7.2.2

       24 January 2014 at 3:29 pm

       Couldn’t get it dumbed down and corporatised through the front door, so now we have stealth and bribery.

       More high paying jobs for the old boys club, and conformists, though, so all good!
     • BLiP 7.2.3

       24 January 2014 at 3:41 pm

       ‘

       Yep. John Key’s speech is the initial soft-sell approach to running education as if it were a business. As you (and Cunliffe) point out, this so-called “State of the Nation” speech was an opportunity for National Ltd™ to set the agenda for the coming year and outline its broad approach to delivering positive outcomes to society as a whole. Instead, there is a preamble of lies and platitudes concerning those broader issues before John Key goes into detail about how he is going to atomise education by “incentivising” component parts which are not, according to National Ltd’s own inadequate measures, delivering. Rather than a Prime Minister’s message, we had an incompetent and myopic CEO’s media-friendly end-of-financial year hip hip hooray with notification that management of the company’s Education outlet was being reorganised.

       The introduction of charter schools reflects the breakup of the electricity supply infrastructure with the creation of a “market” filled with competing units. The reality of the electrcity supply reforms, as it turns out, is that it allowed the private sector to move in and pluck jewels from the crown while also receiving massive tax-payer largesse. Expect the same in education.

       What makes John Key’s announced plans for education worse is that individual teachers and administrators have also been reduced to units of competition rather than a united whole cooperating to provide education. Its dehumanisation on an industrial scale in pursuit of neo-conservative outcomes based entirely on ideological magic-think. It makes me shudder to consider what the end product of this might be when children educated in such an environment filter out into wider society.
       • emergency mike 7.2.3.1

         24 January 2014 at 7:09 pm

         +1 Bill and BLiP.

         After years of education cock ups and failures that have angered teachers NAct comes up with a brillaint idea – bribe them. “Lead teachers’, ‘executive principals’, ‘expert teachers’, ‘change principals’ who get $xxxxx mo money. Problem solved! Bearucratic corporate BS.

         These people are going to swan into low decile schools and turn them around with their awesomeness? On planet Key I’m sure that’s how it would work.

         Like Bill I’m a bit confused as to why more people aren’t calling this what it is: a clueless insult to our intelligence.

         And that the media it lapping it up as an ‘election year winner’ is sickening me more than usual.
         • Will@Welly 7.2.3.1.1

           25 January 2014 at 10:14 am

           When I heard this “announcement” was coming, I expected something along the lines of more Charter Schools. I tend to agree with most of the above comments in this panel (7). By paying some staff extra, is this the “old tory” trick of divide and rule in the education sector – whereby we’ll see the majority of those employed “chasing” the few positions that pay the extra. Will this “extra” pay be the “incentive” National uses later as part of it’s Trojan Horse to fully implement Charter Schools across the land? Part of the softening up process.
8. KJT 8

   24 January 2014 at 3:26 pm

   Because the corporate management model works so well………………………

   If it doesn’t work, add some more overpaid managers…………….?
9. Tautoko Viper 9

   24 January 2014 at 4:20 pm

   I recall in the 90s during the Bulk Funding trials (in which bulk funded schools were given a more generous allowance to make sure they were successful) being at a school at which the Principal and Board were pro-bulk funding. I have a paper with extracts from the SSC to the Schools Consultative Group titled Furthering Education Reforms. dated 1993 Subheadings were:
   “On the purpose of bulk funding as a cost-reduction mechanism”
   “On the intention to replace a national contract with locally negotiated site contracts.”
   “On the contractual model of education delivery” –tendering and bulk funding
   “On the purpose of advancing IT in schools.” ..”an alternative to books, equipment, buildings and teachers for the achievement of knowledge and skills.”
   I have no doubt that the agenda is the same, but couched in different language and using a different technique by using “change agents”. Did John Key say anything about more teachers, smaller class sizes, more teacher aides, more assistance for students with behavioural needs? The closures of the Christchurch schools were just a prelude to the main agenda of dismantling our state school system and kneecapping the Teacher Unions.
   • Chooky 9.1

     24 January 2014 at 5:34 pm

     +100 Tautoko Viper
10. chris73 10

    24 January 2014 at 5:15 pm

    I think Keys got more up his sleeve that’ll catch Labour on the hop (again), I doubt many parents will think paying teachers more is a bad idea and the teaching unions seem to like it so its a slam dunk to Key and all the left can do is wail about poverty (which is more about welfare than education anyway)
    • aerobubble 10.1

      24 January 2014 at 5:34 pm

      Most people pay no tax. Hate yourself?
      • chris73 10.1.1

        24 January 2014 at 6:24 pm

        I don’t know what you’re referring to
    • North 10.2

      25 January 2014 at 8:33 am

      ………and the love felt by Piss73 for ShonKey Python glides along just nicely………oh how distracting is all this wailing about poverty when there’s love to be talked about.
11. RedBaronCV 11

    24 January 2014 at 7:25 pm

    Well I agree with those who see it as a useless level of overpaid corporate management as far as the kids are concerned. Once they have several schools under a group then they will pay their way by agreeing to bulk funding of salaries over the trustees heads (bye bye Parent boards) and then they will start cutting teacher wages. That’s how your average company works. FFS attack- go onto the front foot

    Why are the teacher unions so unable to see the end game?. And nobody on the left should say anything positive about this little lot. Ask JK why they don’t use the funds to lower class size & employ more teachers and bring back the specialist teaching they got rid of.
    • Chooky 11.1

      24 January 2014 at 8:24 pm

      +100
12. Pasupial 12

    25 January 2014 at 8:36 am

    A fine piece of writing by Diane Khan (would quote, but don’t want to spoil):

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/01/25/the-bully-needs-to-go/
    • karol 12.1

      25 January 2014 at 8:40 am

      TDB seems to be offline
      • Pasupial 12.1.1

        25 January 2014 at 9:15 am

        Karol

        TDB seems to be working fine for me (also on firefox). Just been over there seething at Nash’s latest brainfart (though the comments are generally heartening). Maybe it’s just the link that I copy/ pasted? http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/01/25/the-bully-needs-to-go/
        • karol 12.1.1.1

          25 January 2014 at 7:33 pm

          It’s working for me now. But just before work this morning, I couldn’t access it from your link, or from my TDB bookmark, on Chrome or firefox.

          Excellent post on the bully!
13. captain hook 13

    25 January 2014 at 9:46 am

    from what I hear on the public radio money is not the overwhelming consederation for teachers with satisfaction being tops.
    Typical of National that they think everything can be bought and paid for.
    Especially when they sold the countrys wealth producing assets in a one off to pay for this policy dreamed up by hooton and co.

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1. Some random observations on Key's Education proposals - The Standard: posted on 24 January 2014 at 1:38 pm

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