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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s the seasons, stupid</title>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s not spin, the govt told me at The Standard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173977</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s not spin, the govt told me at The Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Dompost reports: &#8220;The number of places available on a programme to get young people off the dole will be increased after the Government credited it with a drop in unemployment&#8221;. Sigh, it&#8217;s the seasons, stupid. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Dompost reports: &#8220;The number of places available on a programme to get young people off the dole will be increased after the Government credited it with a drop in unemployment&#8221;. Sigh, it&#8217;s the seasons, stupid. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173890</link>
		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by RLEschler: It&#039;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard: Hi Razorlight, not very nice to be called a dork, but you are bei.. http://tinyurl.com/y9gdp93...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by RLEschler: It&#8217;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard: Hi Razorlight, not very nice to be called a dork, but you are bei.. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/y9gdp93.." rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/y9gdp93..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: James Harris</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-212805</link>
		<dc:creator>James Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;It&#039;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard http://bit.ly/6rqbQm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">It&#39;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard <a href="http://bit.ly/6rqbQm" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/6rqbQm</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Susan Rosen</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-212806</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;It&#039;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard: In a recession bosses will pump the money into capital and debt r.. http://bit.ly/4SZWeD&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">It&#39;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard: In a recession bosses will pump the money into capital and debt r.. <a href="http://bit.ly/4SZWeD" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4SZWeD</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Isaksen</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-212807</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Isaksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;It&#039;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard http://bit.ly/8c33nV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">It&#39;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard <a href="http://bit.ly/8c33nV" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/8c33nV</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Roger Anderson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173852</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No-one is saying the Nats are responsible, what we are saying is that they have no plan or direction at best, and at worst they don&#039;t care. Either way, they said that they would get us out of this recession when they really have no idea how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No-one is saying the Nats are responsible, what we are saying is that they have no plan or direction at best, and at worst they don&#8217;t care. Either way, they said that they would get us out of this recession when they really have no idea how.</p>
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		<title>By: Zorr</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173819</link>
		<dc:creator>Zorr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A country that thinks that state intervention will fix everything.&quot; - I call bullshit on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A country that thinks that state intervention will fix everything.&#8221; &#8211; I call bullshit on this.</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173813</link>
		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jobs Letter (stopped in 2006) used to give really good background on employment matters.  Any chance that it could be reinstated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jobs Letter (stopped in 2006) used to give really good background on employment matters.  Any chance that it could be reinstated?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Eschler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Eschler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;It&#039;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard: Hi Razorlight, not very nice to be called a dork, but you are bei.. http://tinyurl.com/y9gdp93&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">It&#39;s the seasons, stupid at The Standard: Hi Razorlight, not very nice to be called a dork, but you are bei.. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/y9gdp93" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/y9gdp93</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: George D</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173786</link>
		<dc:creator>George D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t confuse dole numbers with the number of people unemployed. Because of the significant difficulty in getting the dole and its poverty allowance level, most unemployed people no longer get the dole. Labour liked this, for obvious reasons.

There are currently 250,000 unemployed, and 60,000 receiving the dole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t confuse dole numbers with the number of people unemployed. Because of the significant difficulty in getting the dole and its poverty allowance level, most unemployed people no longer get the dole. Labour liked this, for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>There are currently 250,000 unemployed, and 60,000 receiving the dole.</p>
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		<title>By: Galeandra</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173782</link>
		<dc:creator>Galeandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no no Snoozer wake up   .... reforestation under EST (if it stays alive, poor misbegotten foetus) belongs to iwi and Overseas-corp. ... Minister Smith said so today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no no Snoozer wake up   &#8230;. reforestation under EST (if it stays alive, poor misbegotten foetus) belongs to iwi and Overseas-corp. &#8230; Minister Smith said so today.</p>
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		<title>By: tsmithfield</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173773</link>
		<dc:creator>tsmithfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bright Red &quot;are you really suggesting tsmithfield, that if we want to become a wealthier country we need lower wages?&quot;

No. The problem with NZ, the US etc is that many of the low paid, factory, manufacturing type jobs are disappearing to China, Mexico etc where the labour rate for this type of work is much lower. Look at Fisher &amp; Paykel as an example. Our clothing industry here in NZ has all but disappeared over the last two decades as has the shoe manufacture industry. We just had news that the Bridgestone factory in closing here in Christchurch. The trend will continue.

In the future we are going to need to focus on our strengths, which is food, tourism, and oil/mineral resources if we are to drive up our standard of living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bright Red &#8220;are you really suggesting tsmithfield, that if we want to become a wealthier country we need lower wages?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. The problem with NZ, the US etc is that many of the low paid, factory, manufacturing type jobs are disappearing to China, Mexico etc where the labour rate for this type of work is much lower. Look at Fisher &amp; Paykel as an example. Our clothing industry here in NZ has all but disappeared over the last two decades as has the shoe manufacture industry. We just had news that the Bridgestone factory in closing here in Christchurch. The trend will continue.</p>
<p>In the future we are going to need to focus on our strengths, which is food, tourism, and oil/mineral resources if we are to drive up our standard of living.</p>
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		<title>By: Bored</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173745</link>
		<dc:creator>Bored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Bill, the debate on the details of current unemployment really resembles Titanic deck chairs shuffling.  It is frightening that with sufficient substantiated evidence of forthcoming events such as global warming, energy crisis, eco catastrophe etc that there is all this bickering over how to breathe life into the corpse of globalised materialism. And who is to blame, who gives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Bill, the debate on the details of current unemployment really resembles Titanic deck chairs shuffling.  It is frightening that with sufficient substantiated evidence of forthcoming events such as global warming, energy crisis, eco catastrophe etc that there is all this bickering over how to breathe life into the corpse of globalised materialism. And who is to blame, who gives?</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Red</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173744</link>
		<dc:creator>Bright Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>msd.govt.nz ban, why don&#039;t you work it out and tell us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>msd.govt.nz ban, why don&#8217;t you work it out and tell us?</p>
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		<title>By: Bright Red</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/its-the-seasons-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-173742</link>
		<dc:creator>Bright Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about Norway? High wages and 3% unemployment.

In fact, we have low wages and its a big problem because businesses treat labour as disposable and don&#039;t bother to invest in upsilling and capital.

are you really suggesting tsmithfield, that if we want to become a wealthier country we need lower wages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about Norway? High wages and 3% unemployment.</p>
<p>In fact, we have low wages and its a big problem because businesses treat labour as disposable and don&#8217;t bother to invest in upsilling and capital.</p>
<p>are you really suggesting tsmithfield, that if we want to become a wealthier country we need lower wages?</p>
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