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		<title>By: Daveosaurus</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167276</link>
		<dc:creator>Daveosaurus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it&#039;s no wonder that this next generation are going to be dumber than the last when it comes to literacy&quot;

Not that the last is all that much better: try telling a certain semi-literate late middle-aged civic administrator the correct spelling of &quot;Whanganui&quot; and watch the sparks fly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it&#8217;s no wonder that this next generation are going to be dumber than the last when it comes to literacy&#8221;</p>
<p>Not that the last is all that much better: try telling a certain semi-literate late middle-aged civic administrator the correct spelling of &#8220;Whanganui&#8221; and watch the sparks fly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167133</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>might not sound like a lot in the world of big business accounting, but $36M is a lot to waste and not that piffling if you&#039;re struggling to run a school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>might not sound like a lot in the world of big business accounting, but $36M is a lot to waste and not that piffling if you&#8217;re struggling to run a school.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167128</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;NACT trolling, LOL. I have nothing to do with any political party&lt;/i&gt;

And yet you knew exactly who sk and sprout were referring to, eh Swampy?

Slow clap for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>NACT trolling, LOL. I have nothing to do with any political party</i></p>
<p>And yet you knew exactly who sk and sprout were referring to, eh Swampy?</p>
<p>Slow clap for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167124</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He didn&#039;t use those words, I bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He didn&#8217;t use those words, I bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167123</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NACT trolling, LOL. I have nothing to do with any political party. But Labour has their dirty hands stamped all over the negative campaigning attacks by the unions for sure. The Principals Federation is complicit in this, there was at least one principal who attended and supported it as it was launched at his school. Buutveld is toeing the NZEI line as a former branch president, sadly predictable.

The truth about this policy is that it is a storm in a teacup that has been shamefully hijacked for political ends by the teachers unions. It is a piffling amount of money being expended in a very minor change that will not have the negative impact that is being hyped up by the Labour party&#039;s union friends the way it has. National is not spending hundreds of millions in social engineering the way Labour does (think about much bigger Clark policies like the useless TEC) and the result is not going to be anything like as far reaching as all the scaremongering makes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NACT trolling, LOL. I have nothing to do with any political party. But Labour has their dirty hands stamped all over the negative campaigning attacks by the unions for sure. The Principals Federation is complicit in this, there was at least one principal who attended and supported it as it was launched at his school. Buutveld is toeing the NZEI line as a former branch president, sadly predictable.</p>
<p>The truth about this policy is that it is a storm in a teacup that has been shamefully hijacked for political ends by the teachers unions. It is a piffling amount of money being expended in a very minor change that will not have the negative impact that is being hyped up by the Labour party&#8217;s union friends the way it has. National is not spending hundreds of millions in social engineering the way Labour does (think about much bigger Clark policies like the useless TEC) and the result is not going to be anything like as far reaching as all the scaremongering makes out.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167121</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you talking about? $36 million is piffling and that would be spread over several years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about? $36 million is piffling and that would be spread over several years?</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167120</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The schools get billions from the government each year. They don&#039;t have to report anything back in return. Getting them to report their data is a pretty small demand for accountability&#039;s sake. As the tests for the most part already exist there is nothing new except the centralised collection. 

The schools have to have some kinds of assessments, the PAT tests and the like are all well developed and supported in the educational community so the basic principles are sound. I expect the standards will be based on the PAT and the other standardised assessments like STAR etc which schools already use to determine their performance in house. They report those results to their boards, if they are a good school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The schools get billions from the government each year. They don&#8217;t have to report anything back in return. Getting them to report their data is a pretty small demand for accountability&#8217;s sake. As the tests for the most part already exist there is nothing new except the centralised collection. </p>
<p>The schools have to have some kinds of assessments, the PAT tests and the like are all well developed and supported in the educational community so the basic principles are sound. I expect the standards will be based on the PAT and the other standardised assessments like STAR etc which schools already use to determine their performance in house. They report those results to their boards, if they are a good school.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167119</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$36 million is a piffling amount, really just enough to pay a few bureacrats to collect the data and make sure the schools have all the resources to report it. What they are doing is making it compulsory for the schools to report these assessments which only some schools actually use now and don&#039;t have to report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$36 million is a piffling amount, really just enough to pay a few bureacrats to collect the data and make sure the schools have all the resources to report it. What they are doing is making it compulsory for the schools to report these assessments which only some schools actually use now and don&#8217;t have to report.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167116</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think she is struggling to turn in a better performance than her predecessor Chris Carter, for sure. 

Your union comments are spot on, they all campaigned for Labour and told their members who to vote for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think she is struggling to turn in a better performance than her predecessor Chris Carter, for sure. </p>
<p>Your union comments are spot on, they all campaigned for Labour and told their members who to vote for.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167115</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about sticking to the politics and leaving the character assassination out of it (which as written above is all a load of rubbish anyway). 

I work in the education system and it is plain, this is just another front for union whingers to attack the National government. They all seem to have forgotten they are public servants. Buutveld boycotting the launch makes him look like a politician, would he be so brave if he were still leading a school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about sticking to the politics and leaving the character assassination out of it (which as written above is all a load of rubbish anyway). </p>
<p>I work in the education system and it is plain, this is just another front for union whingers to attack the National government. They all seem to have forgotten they are public servants. Buutveld boycotting the launch makes him look like a politician, would he be so brave if he were still leading a school.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167113</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an informed position also, it just happens not to be the position of the left wing unions who are campaigning against the Government, and a policy they see as hostile to their political interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an informed position also, it just happens not to be the position of the left wing unions who are campaigning against the Government, and a policy they see as hostile to their political interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167112</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read on NCLB I find there is about equal views for and against, there are going to be some changes to improve it but Obama is not going to dump it.

You see the NCLB was not a Bush push at all costs, it attracted widespread bipartisan support in the political era it was created in. It was taken through the legislative process by no lesser a leftie than Ted Kennedy. The number of votes in favour in both Houses was around 90%. It is rare to find that kind of unanimity in NZ for any kind of major policy like that.

So if this is our version then it can&#039;t be so bad as all the naysayers here make out. Professor Hattie, well he has said that it could be an incredible opportunity if it works out. 

The government has spent nearly a year talking to the teachers unions about this policy, even if Tolley has stuffed it up a bit, they have talked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read on NCLB I find there is about equal views for and against, there are going to be some changes to improve it but Obama is not going to dump it.</p>
<p>You see the NCLB was not a Bush push at all costs, it attracted widespread bipartisan support in the political era it was created in. It was taken through the legislative process by no lesser a leftie than Ted Kennedy. The number of votes in favour in both Houses was around 90%. It is rare to find that kind of unanimity in NZ for any kind of major policy like that.</p>
<p>So if this is our version then it can&#8217;t be so bad as all the naysayers here make out. Professor Hattie, well he has said that it could be an incredible opportunity if it works out. </p>
<p>The government has spent nearly a year talking to the teachers unions about this policy, even if Tolley has stuffed it up a bit, they have talked.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167107</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://nzcurriculum.tki.org.nz/National-Standards/Key-information&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read the full thing here&lt;/a&gt;

I had a read, and this whole scenario brings to mind a scene from Torchwood where the ministers are discussing what children to give to the invaders. They use the excuse &quot;If we can&#039;t identify the worst kids, the ones that will go on to cost the state, the ones that will turn to crime, then what on earth are school league tables for?&quot;

When you&#039;ve got teachers being advised to give A&#039;s to students that write such &quot;the san and the nite rise n the eaf&quot; it&#039;s no wonder that this next generation are going to be dumber than the last when it comes to literacy.

Then there&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/politics/2992087/High-fives-in-Cannons-Creek&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this photo&lt;/a&gt; which quite clearly tells us just where John Key thinks the poorly performing kids belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://nzcurriculum.tki.org.nz/National-Standards/Key-information" rel="nofollow">Read the full thing here</a></p>
<p>I had a read, and this whole scenario brings to mind a scene from Torchwood where the ministers are discussing what children to give to the invaders. They use the excuse &#8220;If we can&#8217;t identify the worst kids, the ones that will go on to cost the state, the ones that will turn to crime, then what on earth are school league tables for?&#8221;</p>
<p>When you&#8217;ve got teachers being advised to give A&#8217;s to students that write such &#8220;the san and the nite rise n the eaf&#8221; it&#8217;s no wonder that this next generation are going to be dumber than the last when it comes to literacy.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/politics/2992087/High-fives-in-Cannons-Creek" rel="nofollow">this photo</a> which quite clearly tells us just where John Key thinks the poorly performing kids belong.</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167100</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roberto, clearly you&#039;re not in the habit of arguing from an informed position, but perhaps you should listen to the interview with Prof Hattie in the 3rd link of the above post, it&#039;ll give you a clearer picture of just how concerned he is with this lunatic grab for populist votes at the expense of children&#039;s best educational interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberto, clearly you&#8217;re not in the habit of arguing from an informed position, but perhaps you should listen to the interview with Prof Hattie in the 3rd link of the above post, it&#8217;ll give you a clearer picture of just how concerned he is with this lunatic grab for populist votes at the expense of children&#8217;s best educational interests.</p>
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		<title>By: the sprout</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/john-key-edication-espert/comment-page-1/#comment-167099</link>
		<dc:creator>the sprout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed on all counts, especially the reason for the fervor of the trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed on all counts, especially the reason for the fervor of the trolls.</p>
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