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John Key – GCSB fool (or liar)

Written By: - Date published: 7:28 am, August 16th, 2013 - 141 comments
Categories: john key, law, Spying - Tags: , , ,

On Campbell Live, and on other occasions, John Key has claimed that critics of the GCSB spying bill were all wrong. The Human Rights Commission – wrong. The Law Society – wrong. The Privacy Commissioner – wrong. Dame Anne Salmond – wrong. Everyone else wrong – only he – John Key – and his secret advisors were right, and we the sheeple have nothing to fear.

It was obviously bullshit, and today Key had to admit it – via one of his favoured mouthpieces of course:

Key pledges to restrict spy agency’s probe rights

… In the course of the [Campbell Live] interview he said incorrectly that under the bill, the GCSB would not be allowed to look at the content of communications when conducting their cyber-security functions.

In fact, there is nothing that prevents it from doing so. But what Mr Key is now saying is that in exercising his power to impose any conditions he wants on a warrant, he will use his discretion to set the default position not looking at content in the cyber-security function.

Got that folks? Key has admitted he was wrong in a major claim about the GCSB Bill. He is either a complete fool for claiming the only true understanding and getting caught out in his error – or he was a complete and knowing liar on Campbell Live. John Key – fool or liar – you be the judge.

As to proposed new powers of the GCSB, which Key didn’t understand/admit, he is now trying to claim that it will be patched up in the warrant process (see the rest of the Young piece above). Not Good Enough. If the law doesn’t do what it should do then the law should be fixed! Key needs to listen to those real experts that he so despises.

141 comments on “John Key – GCSB fool (or liar)”

  1. vto 1

    clearly

    fool

    and

    liar

    • blue leopard 1.1

      +1 VTO

    • Murray Olsen 1.2

      I’d say liar who thinks Kiwis are fools. We’re so deep in the shit of his making that today I can only console myself by thinking that his legacy will be like Nixon’s.

  2. ak 2

    Bare-faced lies are the present-day equivalent of the dagger hidden in the cloak of the utterly ruthless “whatever it takes” wrestler. Winning on the night is all that matters, and the mob bays with glee as the referees are ignored and mocked. This article is his simpering [r0b: deleted - much as I understand the sentiment I think that was a bit over the top] lisping that the knife got there by mistake. Just another sickening day Bully State.

  3. geoff 3

    Wow.

    So let me get this straight, we have to trust John Key’s judgement!?

    Even though he clearly doesn’t even understand his own legislation.

    Fark.

    • blue leopard 3.1

      @ Geoff

      +1
      Yes, although the word used was ‘discretion’.

      John Key and any future leader can now use their ‘discretion’ whether to abuse these powers or not.

      They might use their ‘discretion’ to support their mates interests. This, to them might be a fair use of their ‘discretion’ and it wouldn’t be illegal.

      Is there anywhere in our laws that requires personal responsibility from politicians to act in the interests of New Zealanders?

      I don’t think so.

      As I understand it, they are personally protected from this requirement because the law deems that it wouldn’t be fair for them to be held personally accountable due to the amount of decisions they are having to make in many different areas and that mistakes are bound to be made and therefore a great deal of forgiveness, in fact total forgiveness, is included for them in the laws.

      Because of this legal ‘forgiveness’ the rules that politicians work by must be formulated in a way where these people, who are making decisions for us, should not be given the opportunity to use much of their non-accountable ‘discretion’.

      If they want that type of ‘freedom’ of ‘discretion’, then at least change the laws so that they will be held personally responsible for the effects of their ‘discretion’ when it turns out to be damaging to our democratic principles and rights.

    • Dr Terry 3.2

      geoff – you rightly raise the question of trust. Key is in effect inviting us all to trust him implicitly. It might be helpful to look up certain statements that prominent persons have made about “trust”:

      Shakespeare” “Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none” (is there someone who fails on all three counts?)
      From others: “The trust of the innocent is the liar’s most useful tool.” “Trust not too much to appearance.” “Trust, but verify.” “You can’t trust anybody with power.” “How dishonorable some people can be, how dangerous to trust them.” “It is prudent never to trust wholly those who have deceived us even once.”

  4. mickysavage 4

    This is pure and utter BS. The reason why laws are drawn to restrict the executive’s powers is to make sure that the powers are not abused in the future. Relying on the PM to insert requirements into warrant applications shows that the law is drawn too widely.

    Otherwise you can bet that one day one PM will “forget” or “neglect” to put the protection in.

    This is clear evidence that the process has been rushed and the changes should be rethought.

    • Colonial Viper 4.1

      Quite right. NZ has had some damn nasty PMs in the past and no doubt we will have again. Imagine Muldoon with email, facebook and IM spying powers during the springbok tour.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 4.2

      +1

    • wtl 4.3

      Otherwise you can bet that one day one PM will “forget” or “neglect” to put the protection in.

      It is very weird how the supporters of this bill seem to complete ignore this point. Every time somehow criticising it says that it gives too much power to the Prime Minister, their response seems to be that Key would never do that. I appreciate that they may strongly support and trust Key, but even so, this says nothing about a future Prime Minister.

    • Saarbo 4.4

      I would have thought that this was a MAJOR cock up on Key’s part because this is the thing that scares people the most in this bill…”content”. When Key unequivocally said to Campbell “the GCSB would not be allowed to look at the content of communications when conducting their cyber-security functions” , well he effectively disarmed Campbell.

      I would have imagined that National shit themselves when they discovered this cock up, the media should have had a field day on this, imagine if Campbell picked this up while interviewing…this was potentially Campbell’s “show me the money” moment.

      But you have to admire National’s damage control, they have incredibly powerful allies in the media, which is scarey. Labour need to raise their game enormously. This brings me back to the this weeks Listener article on the Labour Party where Mike William’s says “for a party to be strong and credible, six key figures in the party need to be working in unison. They are the leader, the deputy leader, the chief of staff, the party president, the party general secretary and the campaign director.” Well I reckon he left two out. He needs to add in the caucus and members. Labour are going to have to make sure everything is aligned and heading in the same direction to beat this National Party. This National Party is a powerful party on top of their game, as Chris Trotter pointed out in a recent article, the Left is taking them too lightly. The way they have recovered from this cock up is case in point.

      • mickysavage 4.4.1

        Right you are Saarbo. The response is really impressive. Key’s interview was superficially stunning then they discovered this deep dark problem with it.

        The limited release of the story needs further attention. Using the Herald to announce changes in Government policy is bad at so many levels.

      • Skinny 4.4.2

        Sadly many in caucus and within the party fail to grasp the concept that the Greens are here to stay, & power concessions need to be made in order to win next years election. Or else its another 3 years of misery in opposition, and even worst for all but the bottom feeders of this Country. 

         And the Greens continued erosion of Labour’s party vote will only grow. So you would think a lesson was learnt, that treating the Greens like dirt just doesn’t work? Wrong nothing has changed amongst the old guard. Take the scraps and don’t go getting above your station is still alive and dead-ending the NZLP. So to whoever within the party the unanswered question still  remains… Who the fuck can broker a deal between Labour & the Greens so a coalition Government can be formed in 2014?  

      • felix 4.4.3

        “for a party to be strong and credible, six key figures in the party need to be working in unison. They are the leader, the deputy leader, the chief of staff, the party president, the party general secretary and the campaign director.”

        Perhaps they just forgot to watch the interview. If so, that’s ok. There’ll be other issues. Plenty of time.

        Give them six months and I’m sure they’ll be ready and waiting.

  5. Ed 5

    The media have been remarkably silent on the requirement for the Attorney General to state whether legislation offends against Privacy and Human Rights laws – I presume that would have been issued for the second reading. Is it available on-line? Does anyone have a list of bills which the Attorney-General admitted did not meet privacy and human rights requirements?

  6. Blue 7

    Between this and Audrey Young’s piece pointing out another Key mistake yesterday:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10912495

    I think it’s safe to assume that John Key doesn’t actually know what’s in the legislation, and from his attitude to turning up during the committee stages, he doesn’t really care.

    Anything he says about the bill is suspect.

  7. Craig Glen viper 8

    The thing hear is the show is over Key/National have hit the target audience. He goes on Cambell live lies, but is reasuring and smiling, behaves like he is acting in NZers security interest protecting them from the nasty terrorists, job done. Two days latter he retracts apologies and only a few poeple see this certainly not the most of the folk in the street they hear/see from media John Key was commanding on the GCSB issue, therefore experts are wrong.

    The problem in all of this is Labour need someone who is quick enough to see the lies when on TV/debates during an election call him on it and present the facts logically simply and in a way that is commanding.
    Shearer cant do this if Labour sticks with Shearer, NZ is screwed and so is the current Labour Caucus. No matter how much media training you give Shearer he will never beat Key in the media war, not a shit show in hell!

    • yeshe 8.1

      +100% Come in David Cunliffe, your time is up ! And quickly, please.

      • keith rosss 8.1.1

        for gods sake! the old guard in the caucus need to do the right thing, come on you have plenty of money and the gold plated perks and retirement goldmine to look forward to. Some of us have young families and need a labour greens govt. now not in four years. I am rushing to buy my first house before the new kiwisaver rules come in on the first of October as to save 10% before getting access to my own money keeps my family out of their own home for years. Shearer is not going to cut it and neither are you. The country needs Cunliffe now, not in four years.Please think of the children and do the right thing.

        • Akldnut 8.1.1.1

          God no more of these clowns…. Pleeeease! Come in Dvaid Cunliffe this is your signal to start showing Shearer up for the timid little lamb he is. Right Now!

    • emergency mike 8.2

      “Two days latter he retracts apologies and only a few poeple see this certainly not the most of the folk in the street they hear/see from media John Key was commanding on the GCSB issue, therefore experts are wrong.”

      Yesterday I said this:

      “Plus they have another big advantage, they can always just lie or make something up. There is usually not time in an argument to go and check ‘facts’ that are thrown up. By the time someone subsequently does, the argument is long finished, and the observer is left with the impression that the psychopath made a point that the other couldn’t answer.”

      John Key said all Campbell’s experts were wrong, but he either doesn’t understand the legislation or lied for the Campbell live interview.

      But don’t worry says he, it doesn’t matter anyway because he’ll use his discretion about who gets spied on.

      Ah goodo then.

    • Hanswurst 8.3

      I’m not sure whether this is true. The interview was on Campbell Live and watched largely by Campbell Live’s audience. The rest of NZ will pick it up peripherally through articles like Young’s. Key may have made a blustering, war-dancing show in that single interview, but his problem now is that everything he has said in that interview is there in the archives and able to be attacked. Campbell can now use any errors or misjudgments by Key to expose further issues with Key’s handling of the bill, and will continue to reach his own audience and peripherally, through articles like Young’s, the rest of NZ as well. People are overestimating the direct influence of this televised showing by the PM, NZ’s favourite performing monkey.

    • Hami Shearlie 8.4

      +1000 – David Cunliffe is the only one in Labour who could really beat John Key – “Cometh the Hour, Cometh the Man”!

  8. ghostwhowalksnz 9

    The whole interview was a sham- obviously Key was well prepped for days, probably making a few mock inteview runs with his spin doctors. Then they spring a last minute acceptance on Campbell so he doesnt have time to prepare

    And now he runs away again , just giving out a prepared statement, and then slamming the door shut, no more questions unless its about snapper

    • Wayne 9.1

      Ghostwhowalksnz,

      You are seriously wrong on this. John Key probably spent less than 2 hours on the prep (and I know more about this process than you).

      He needs no prep to be clam and considered. He does that every day. He also knows JC’s style, so therefore the importance of making sure he gets his point across.

      And what were the main points about the Bill he wanted to make:
      1. That all GCSB assistance in NZ needs a warrant – and referenced to s8 and 14
      2. That the process has checks and balances – retired Court of Appeal Judges etc
      3. That meta data surveillance needs warrants as well
      4. That it is pretty much the same process as Helen Clark, except with more checks and balances
      5. That there are real threats
      6. That cybersecurity is sensible – like Norton
      7. That he knows not to tell NZers the entire operating system of GCSB. A lot of NZers do actually want to be reassured that the PM can keep secret stuff secret.

      Now I know the PM will have worked out the main points he had to make pretty quickly when he decided to go on Campbell Live.

      The point I am making – the Left consistently underestimates the PM’s skill to work out a strategy and get his points across.

      And this business of calling the PM a psychopath is now out in the mainstream, but it is not going to go well for the Left, since middle NZ is going to see that as preposterous and desperate.

      • gobsmacked 9.1.1

        I don’t underestimate his skill to work out a strategy. Not at all.

        The strategy was to lie. So he did.

        • miravox 9.1.1.1

          Exactly

          – and obfuscate.

        • Wayne 9.1.1.2

          Well, you and much of the Left blogosphere will say that. I guess it avoids you actually having to debate the issue.

          I recall that is what the Right blogosphere said the same about Helen Clark right through 2002 to 2008.

          It was unattractive from them, and it is unattractive from you.

          And it is the sort of thing that damages politics. If the partisans (or at least a large fraction of them) routinely call the other side liars and psycopaths, you can hardly be surprised if middle NZ is turned off politics.

          Even partisans have a duty to debate things civilly without immediate recourse to name calling. There are wider issues about the health of politics that requires that.

          Actually, I might note that Karol does not usually call the PM a liar. She might say he spins, gives half the story, etc, but that is OK in reasonable discourse.

          • gobsmacked 9.1.1.2.1

            it avoids you actually having to debate the issue.

            Eh? The “left” (actually the wide-ranging opposition to the bill, well beyond the “left”) has been trying to debate the issue. Where have you been?

            Do you think the issue suddenly appeared on Wednesday?

            OK, so the “issue” now is what the Prime Minister said. Let’s debate it. I say he was wrong. You say …?

          • blue leopard 9.1.1.2.2

            @ Wayne,

            Gobsmacked’s response really addresses the issue that you raise, however, your comments raises some pressing questions.

            Is calling people dishonest causing the ‘damage to politics’ or is it the dishonesty?

            If I shout out ‘thief’ when someone is trying to steal my car, is the problem that is occurring my calling out ‘thief or is it the theft itself?

            Can I have a rational and reasoned debate with someone whose arguments lacks a grasp on reality and is entirely illogical?

          • Murray Olsen 9.1.1.2.3

            The biggest advantage that liars have in positions of trust and authority is that very few are prepared to call them on their lies. Police prosecutors rely on this all the time, with the results we see with Arthur Thomas and Teina Pora. Key is the first PM I can recall who has relied on it so heavily. The health of politics depends on politicians being honest, not on people ignoring their lies. Saying that it is unattractive from us is a way to avoid debating the issue. We have been debating it ever since it reared its ugly head.

            I will not take my political tactics from someone who spins so much on behalf of Key, excessive state power, and welfare cuts, thank you very much.

          • North 9.1.1.2.4

            Wayne@9.1.1.2 – thank you for the headmaster-like ticking off there……..care to publish, honestly and without edit, your own “unattractive” mouthings re Helen Clark during the period 2002-08 ?

            A case of poacher turned gamekeeper methinks.

            • Wayne 9.1.1.2.4.1

              North,

              I can assure I never indulged in any personal abuse of Helen Clark, or any other MP’s for that matter. I had known her since University days and knew how focussed she could be. And that she was and is a person of integrity.

              If you don’t believe me, ask Labour or Green MP’s about my style as an MP.

              I might note I had been a member of the Labour Party from 1976 to 1982, so I knew many of the Labour MP’s from that time.

              • Anne

                Yes. I can vouch for Wayne. He was the MP in my electorate for umpteen years and at no time did I hear anything adverse about him. He was courteous and respectful at all times. The same cannot be said about his successor.

      • Puddleglum 9.1.2

        Hi Wayne,

        I certainly wouldn’t underestimate John Key’s discursive and social skills.

        But I do think that many of those ‘points’ are simply incorrect, so it is a shame that he has used those skills to advance them.

        For example, there is little evidence that there are real threats (to New Zealand and New Zealand’s population). He did not provide such extensive evidence; nor has anyone else to my knowledge. The lack of such justification was a major concern expressed in the Law Society submission.

        Further, the revised Section 14 has expanded rather than reduced the operational remit of the GCSB, so the claim that there are “more checks and balances” than there were under the previous legislation seems incorrect. Once again, this also appears to be a concern of the Law Society.

        Again, the ‘point’ that ‘cybersecurity is sensible’ is suitably vague given the broad definition given for it in Section 8A – so, I suppose with this one I’d simply say it’s hard to know whether or not the point is ‘correct’. That could only be determined by knowing what ‘cybersecurity’ means when it comes to the ‘facts on the ground’ of the GCSB’s operations. Sadly – or conveniently – that is not possible, given the last ‘point’ you believe he was trying to make.

        Finally, the points about assuring New Zealanders that there are ‘checks and balances’ is trivial since the substantive issue is the question of whether or not there are sufficient checks and balances given the traditional, exceptionally light, oversight of the intelligence services as compared with other government agencies.

        John Key did not present an argument for why these checks and balances were sufficient in the context of the increased operational remit of the GCSB. In fact, the released statement to the Herald seems to highlight the fragile nature of one of the (now) claimed checks and balances – that it is down to a discretionary behaviour of the warrant signers as to whether or not content of New Zealanders’ communications is accessed, with or without their knowledge.

        I realise that you are simply arguing that John Key is clever at presenting his rhetorical position in an interview, but my concern is the end to which that cleverness is directed.

        • Wayne 9.1.2.1

          I am sure that both Helen Clark and John Key think it is prudent to keep track of the people who got training in Yemen (and their communications).

          Now you may not care, but any PM who simply ignored such people would be considered reckless by their colleagues. That is one of the main reasons for SIS and GCSB warrants. You need to know who such a person is in contact with.

          And “no”, I do not think Dr Rodney Harrison QC is the best person to judge these risks.

          Hi skills lie in evaluating appropriate checks and balances and the grounds for warrants. For instance I think a warrant should be required wherever it is known that a NZer is involved, even if the person that is the target of the surveillance is an overseas person.

          • Puddleglum 9.1.2.1.1

            Hi Wayne,

            Thanks for the response.

            I’m not sure why you mentioned Helen Clark’s and John Key’s prudential preferences here. Some people are worriers, some are fatalists. The characteristics and predispositions of individuals (even those who are Prime Ministers) are irrelevant. These issues have nothing to do with ‘personality’ or ‘personal judgment’. They are about impacts of legislation on the twin concerns of security and civil rights.

            Do I care about tracking people who had training in Yemen? Yes, although I wasn’t aware that 88 such people were in New Zealand and that the risk of Yemeni training had increased recently.

            Surely it does not represent a national security risk to explain fully the basis of the threat? What kinds of training were involved? Has there been a spike in such training? Are the police unable, using their own normal powers, to track and monitor the comings and goings of such people (with appropriate warrants)? Is the problem that their communications are with people inside New Zealand or beyond? How specific is the threat?

            None of these types of questions have been addressed and very little information on the risks we apparently face has been provided. Yes, I wish to avoid terrorist incidents that harm people in New Zealand, but there are many ‘risks’ in our society and I would like some sense of just how great this particular risk is. I don’t see how this represents some neglectful or ‘risky’ approach on my part. Quite prudent I would have thought.

            Relatedly, so far as I’m aware, John Key had no intention of updating the GCSB Act prior to Dotcom and the Kitteridge report, despite presumably being aware of any presumed escalation in risks. Was he being negligent during that period, in your reckoning?

            As well as Rodney Harrison QC, I assume that you also don’t think that the Law Society’s Rule of Law Committee and its chair Austin Forbes QC are well placed to realise that their concerns are over-ruled by these (increased but unspecified) security threats given that they confirmed on 6 August that:

            The concerns the Law Society expressed in its submission on the bill have not been significantly mitigated by the proposed changes.

            Who do you think is best placed to judge these risks? John Key? The head of the GCSB? A retired judge? And, why?

            Also, you don’t seem to realise that the Law Society submission was not claiming to judge the security risks. Its point was that very little explanation of those risks, and therefore justification for the legal changes, had been made. Are you saying that they are not in a position to judge whether or not justifications had been presented?

            More to the point, don’t you think that, in a democracy, it is up to the people – operating through institutions such as the unhurried processes for passing appropriate legislation – to make the value judgment of when risks justify particular measures such as the widening of the operational remit of an intelligence agency so that it can operate in relation to New Zealanders in New Zealand?

            Or do you believe that the general population of ordinary New Zealanders, like the Law Society, are similarly not well placed to make such judgments collectively? (please don’t say they voted in the government hence that’s the end of their right to make judgments).

            Perhaps you only champion ordinary New Zealanders’ rights to make judgments about shower-heads and lightbulbs?

            • Wayne 9.1.2.1.1.1

              Well, unlike you I do believe PM’s should be trusted to make these decisions. Invariably those who get there will have thought through what it means to be PM and the national security questions that go with the role. They will have already been on the Intelligence Committee, and will have been briefed by the Directors of SIS and GCSB over the years. When I look at Parliament today I would trust any likely person on both sides of the House in Labour and National to do the job responsibly.

              As a general point, one of the fundamental differences between a Police warrant and a SIS warrant is that the police warrant has to relate to the commission of an actual crime, whereas a SIS warrant does not.

              So to take the case of people who got training in Yemen as an example (and it will not be made up as some here believe), they are almost certainly not committing a crime under NZ law. For that to be the case there would have to be evidence that they were actually planning an attack either here or elsewhere. Only then could the Police get a warrant.

              But SIS powers are wider in the sense the commission of a crime is not required. But there must be some issue of national or international security – I would suggest training in the Yemen triggers that threshold. The SIS will have an interest in their network of contacts, especially contact overseas. That is why SIS will seek a warrant from the PM, and apparently (Kitteridge Report) the GCSB were also involved in the surveillance of the persons of SIS interest 88 times.

              Most of these occurred when Helen Clark was PM, so she clearly thought the persons should be surveilled.

              As has been publically reported, the Director of SIS brings her a file about the relevant person, with enough supporting material, to justify the grant of a warrant. I imagine she went through the material pretty carefully before approving the warrant. It is worth noting the file would be based on open source material, or informants, or surveillance that does not need a warrant.

              A warrant is necessary to enter premises, tap phones, install microphones, install trackers, download emails, etc.

              Iprent, the QA programme will be the review by the retired Judges, the Inspector, and the annual reporting of numbers of warrants to the Intelligence Committee. It is somewhat beefed up from current requirements, which lets be honest have been rather limited with the Inspector having virtually no resources.

              • geoff

                If we can trust the PM to make the correct decisions in these circumstances then how is it possible that the Prime Minister himself had to apologise to Kim DotCom for failing to provide the correct oversight to the GCSB?

                It does seem very strange indeed that you believe it is a good idea to give additional responsibilities and trust to a minister who has already been caught asleep at the wheel.

                • blue leopard

                  @ Geoff,

                  Some people go weak at the knees and will believe anything if it smells of money or power.

                  They will convince themselves that they are being told the truth and spend much time trying to convince others the same.

                  This is what both Wayne and our Pm are doing.

                  One would hope people learned from history not to be so impressionable and gullible. They must have no self respect.

                  • geoff

                    So dotcom is our only hope?? ;P

                    • Actually Geoff, you’ve got a point there.
                      ….Smells of money and has a bone to pick with the PM and his dodgy mate. Pretty good circumstances to send the money-power-sniffers into a big confusion. “Heck, which one shall I choose, which one shall I choose??” and divide them.

                  • North

                    It’s called snobbery BL. There remains a class of people who’ll borrow a pair of boots to walk 20 miles to vote Tory. It’s uplifting for them.

                • Wayne

                  The Dotcom case did involve any decision by the PM. It is a Police matter, and they have full operational independence from politicians. They get their warrants from Judges. Which is what happened in the Dotcom case. The Dotcom raid took place under a judicial warrant.

                  Now on big issues, especially with an international dimension, the Police do brief Ministers so they won’t be caught off guard by media. That is why the Police briefed the PM the day before the raid, but the Police had already made the decision to go. And that decision would have been made independent of any politician.

                  In contrast, SIS warrants are the domain of the PM because they involve questions of national security (broadly defined in the SIS legislation). Which I might note is not directly part of the current GCSB issues. However it is to the extent that the assistance that GCSB will provide to SIS is under the general SIS powers.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    The Dotcom case did involve any decision by the PM.

                    Did it involve forewarning the PM? Yes, I think that very likely, given the international interest (read US Government and Entertainment Industry) in the enforcement action against Dotcom.

                    The Dotcom raid took place under a judicial warrant.

                    Luckily the specifics of the warrant were correct and the police and the prosecutors acted on the details of that warrant correctly.

                    NOT.

                    Here’s some fun new input:

                    US FISA Court ability to hold NSA/US Government to account effectively minimal

                    Looks like the fig leaves are dropping away fast.

                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/court-ability-to-police-us-spying-program-limited/2013/08/15/4a8c8c44-05cd-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html?hpid=z1

                  • geoff

                    The Dotcom case did involve any decision by the PM

                    Freudian slip there, Wayne? I presume you intended to say it did NOT involve the PM?

                    How can you be so sure that it did not involve the PM? Because he said so? John Key has had to revise a number of his statements on a number of issues, including of course statements related to the DotCom case which suggests either a memory problem or a willing deceitfulness. In either case this is not a person whose word can be trusted.

                    At the same time, there is substantial circumstantial evidence that suggests John Key did know about the impending raid and that he knew who DotCom was, as has been documented by Campbell Live.

                    And then of course there is the perspective that, if John Key didn’t know about the raid then he was negligent in his duties and that if he was doing the job properly he should have known about it and stepped in before the illegality occurred.

                    So, at best, he has been negligent, asleep at the wheel and completely unworthy of the trust of New Zealanders.

              • emergency mike

                “Well, unlike you I do believe PM’s should be trusted to make these decisions”

                You lost me there Wayne.

              • Skinny

                There is that saying “you can trust a thief but you can’t trust a lair.”
                In John Keys case that saying rings oh so true. I trusted he would steal our assets and flog them off to oversea interests in Nationals 2nd term of office, and he did.

                And I knew he was lying after over 40,000 kiwi’s hit the streets in Auckland protesting over intentions to mine our national parks. He got rattled & said that he had ‘listened to the people’ and would not mine our parks. I guess it was a half lie because he allowed an Australian mining company do it down south on the Dennison.

                Your courteous stance is admirable, however your backing the wrong pony, as John Key is a rouge.

              • Wayne, I neither trust nor distrust ‘PMs’ to make these decisions. My first point was that their personality (or character) are irrelevant to having a robust process (and legislation). Robustness in these processes should not depend on the personality or character of individuals.

                I’m not sure how I can put that point more clearly. I have no idea where, in my comments above, you got the sense that my concern was based on a lack of trust in Helen Clark and John Key. You were the only one expressing a lack of trust in someone to make a judgment correctly – Rodney Harrison QC.

                Once again, I don’t know why you keep talking about individuals and their capacities or trustworthiness. This is a discussion about characteristics of proposed legislation and the reasons for introducing it. Isn’t it?

                Nevertheless, thank you very much for your clarification about the differences between Police and SIS warrants. Unfortunately, this is not at all reassuring. Let me explain why.

                You suggest that those people training in the Yemen “are almost certainly not committing a crime under NZ law” and that’s because “there would have to be evidence that they were actually planning an attack either here or elsewhere“. That means that the Police cannot get a warrant. The SIS can because they believe there’s an issue of national security or international security.

                Now, I won’t argue with your suggestion that training in the Yemen is a sufficient trigger for the SIS to be interested. It does, however, raise the broader issue of what might trigger the SIS’s concerns under the heading of national or international security. But I’ll leave that.

                The main problem is the next step, which you glossed. So far, the SIS approach Helen Clark or John Key with a request for a warrant. They do or don’t sign off on that request. Now, for some reason the GCSB become involved, on the back of the SIS warrant. Why?

                Everyone knows that the SIS spies on New Zealanders. That’s not at issue. The point is that the GCSB became involved in that process.

                The only defence I have ever heard for that is that the GCSB have a capacity that the Police and the SIS do not have for tracking communications. Presumably, that ability comes from their involvement with overseas intelligence agencies. Perhaps you can clarify further?

                Given that the ‘In case of doubt’ subsection (2) in Section 8C limits the advice and assistance to both the purpose of the entities to which the GCSB is giving advice and assistance and the various existing limitations on those entities, just what is the GCSB adding that makes it so desirable that they be involved?

                My only guess is that they have, and presumably have always had, the ability to track New Zealanders’ communications in quite a comprehensive way. An ability that can now be called upon. I realise you may not have the technical background to answer this, but how come they have the technical ‘infrastructure’ that can do this in New Zealand given that they were always meant to be an ‘outward looking’ agency? Was this just a lucky bonus of the technology they were given?

                To put it another way, are New Zealanders’ communications already being caught in a ‘sweep’ but – because of the lack of specific warrants – are not being looked at (even in terms of metadata)? Or, does the GCSB have the technical ability, currently, only to ‘look outwards’ and could not, even if it wanted to, look inwards? If the latter, how on earth could it add to the SIS’s capabilities?

                Thank you once again for your reply – I’m learning things.

                • Wayne

                  Briefly, as you note the GCSB has a whole range of technology that the SIS does not have. And the technology has to cover communications that are not just international, in the sense it has to be able to intercept communications to and from NZ, of international persons (persons who are not citizens or permanent representatives).

                  • Thanks Wayne – pretty much what I assumed.

                    There’s still the question of the mode of that technology – which is where the wall of secrecy descends. If the technology is only such that it operates through specific targeting on a case-by-case basis then it would be possible to regulate its use. Data would only be generated on the basis of a warrant.

                    If, alternatively, it involves a ‘broad sweep’ technology that can then be mined for individual cases, then that is more worrying and harder to regulate.

                    The concerns over Section 8A capabilities (cybersecurity) are no doubt linked to the question of whether this cybersecurity technology is the basis for the case-by-case ‘advice and assistance’ function in Section 8C of the Bill. If so, that would mean that ‘case-by-case’ data are already available, in some form, on all New Zealanders.

                    It’s the technological difference between having to fit a tracking device to a car on a case-by-case basis and using, for example, the GPS data already available via the cellphone network.

            • MrSmith 9.1.2.1.1.2

              “Perhaps you only champion ordinary New Zealanders’ rights to make judgments about shower-heads and lightbulbs?”
              Perfect Puddleglum.

              And here we have the issue to polarize the National voters, don’t think for a moment they have less to hide than anyone else. Once this bill is passed into law National will be hoping it will drop off the radar, but with the looming Kim@com extradition and with a little help from Peters, Norman and god help up Shearer this could be the issue that starts the doubt amongst the swing voters.

          • lprent 9.1.2.1.2

            The applications for search warrants could do with a good quality assurance program. The grounds appear to be “we, the police, are suspicious” rather than having any grounds.

            • McFlock 9.1.2.1.2.1

              I suspect that they have focussed on a quality assurance program that ensures the most effective wording is used to describe the thinnest suspicions while falling short (at least in legal practicality) of “fabrication”.

              And in a Kafkaesque twist, even if the warrant is bunk, if they find evidence of anything else then it still results in a successful prosecution. I seem to recall that when that cop several years back faked his own assault and tied himself up (eventually charged and convicted for the traffic accident he’d turned his life into), the investigation executed search warrants on a grab-bag of “usual suspects” (and, because the case seemed weird, weirdos like BDSM or pagans), and got convictions because of it. I would have thought that any warrant based on reasonable assumptions would fall down if the crime didn’t actually exist, but go figure.

              “Results based policing” rather than actual “policing”.

        • Christine 9.1.2.2

          One of the arguments against the changes to GCSB Act is ‘why do it, NZ isn’t likely to be the centre of an international crime such as a terrorist attack or have a NZer being a contributor to an attack’ so why should we all be subject to the risk of surveillance. How about instead, think about the likelihood of such a scenario as well as its impact to put it into perspective. Remember that the measure of the severity of any risk is its impact multiplied by its likelihood.
          Look at the Fonterra botulism issue, the likelihood of that occurring is very low because of the volume of milk processed every day, the impact has been huge. Likewise the impact of NZ being a contributor or the centre of a terrorism event is massive.
          Contrast that with the behaviour that parents dont let their children walk to school because they may be picked up and molested. In that situation, people have voted to avoid the impact and ignored the low likelihood.

          • Pascal's bookie 9.1.2.2.1

            Even accepting this for the sake of argument, there is a gap in your balancing of the trade offs.

            There is also a risk that powers given to the government will be abused at some point in the future. This risk is increased when the powers are used in secret of course, and it doesn’t take long to find multiple examples of intelligence agencies abusing their powers.

            So we have a high chance that the powers will be abused, balanced by an unspecified reduction in the risk of an already unlikely event. At least, that’s how I see the calculation.

          • Puddleglum 9.1.2.2.2

            Hi Christine,

            As well as Pascal’s Bookie’s points, I’d add that there’s a problem of how risk calculations and resulting policy and law changes, impact differently upon, and are perceived (in terms of risk) differently by, different groups of citizens.

            What I mean is that many New Zealanders may well think to themselves ‘I’d never be involved in anything like that so, yeah, go ahead with those changes’. Others, by contrast, may think that if any abuse of such powers were to happen they are likely to be one of the first types of person affected (not because they are doing anything illegal). The risk of the consequences of an abuse of power is, for them, higher than for others.

            The whole point of civil rights is to protect, in the first instance, just such (groups of) people, or people in particular situations. The right of free speech is, for example, only manifest when someone wants to speak out. People who don’t see themselves speaking out strongly in public anytime soon will not be so fussed about limitations put on free speech. Similarly, the rights related to search and seizure are not perceived as salient by many people who cannot imagine that they may need such rights.

            As I mentioned in my response to Wayne, above, one of my concerns is that the public has not been given the chance (or information) to come to any sensible estimation of risks or impacts from possible terrorism events in New Zealand.

            Nobody wants a tragedy to happen, so we can rely on people to come to a robust arrangement here if we put effort into doing this properly rather than by the seat of our pants, as seems to be happening.

            Your example of parents is a good one. What it shows, above all else, is that fear is the enemy of freedom. It’s a perennial dilemma, which is why I’m so interested in this GCSB being fully discussed and debated.

      • Anne 9.1.3

        And this business of calling the PM a psychopath is now out in the mainstream, but it is not going to go well for the Left, since middle NZ is going to see that as preposterous and desperate.

        You are correct Wayne he’s not a psychopath. However he does exhibit a few psychopathic tendencies – quite a common occurrence. Recognise the following?

        Superficial Charm
        Psychopaths can be highly charming and persuasive, and smooth talkers. Many come across as confident, dominant personalities, even leaders (history is littered with psychopathic dictators).

        Their charm can be very effective in attracting people initially, and this includes romantic and sexual attraction. Most psychopaths are men, and those who become romantically involved with them, primarily women, frequently become their victims.

        Grandiose sense of self-worth
        Psychopaths tend to have very high opinions of themselves, and think themselves better than others. This further allows them to feel justified in using and manipulating people. Their inflated self-worth is coupled with a strong sense of entitlement to money, status symbols, or whatever they feel is owing to them.

        http://www.health24.com/Mental-Health/Disorders/How-to-recognise-a-psychopath-20120721

        NB. At the end of the article the author points out that true psychopaths are rare but many people have some psychopathic tendencies. John Key is, in my view, one of them.

        • geoff 9.1.3.1

          I personally think that people often say things like ‘psychopath’ when perhaps what they more accurately mean is that John Key is a loathsome, self-serving, untrustworthy bully.

        • emergency mike 9.1.3.2

          I have a degree in psychology and I spent two years reviewing the literature on psychopaths.

          Some people have antisocal personality disorder, some are sociopaths, and some are psychopaths, (some people even talk about a 4th class of ‘pure psychopaths’). In my own speculative opinion, John is is at least an antisocial, probably a sociopath, and probably not a psychopath. But where (if at all) one draws the line between these types is murky to put it kindly.

          Btw Anne, Dr Robert Hare who is probably the world’s foremost expert on psychopaths estimates that they make up 1% of the general population. Not so rare as you might think. He also believes tham to be over-represented in prisons, commerce, and politics.

          The modern concept and understanding of psychopaths in society is changing rapidly right now.

          • Anne 9.1.3.2.1

            Interesting. Thanks for that emergency mike.

          • blue leopard 9.1.3.2.2

            @Emergency Mike,

            This is similar to what I ‘conversed’ with you on another thread, (This is/is not Democracy) however this time I wish to pose a direct question rather than a statement:

            Is there any acknowledgement that psychopathic qualities can be developed?

            I am of the opinion that the culture we have today, is encouraging psychopathic qualities. I target the neo-liberalist economic theory as being one of the prime causes; where self-interest being seen as the pivot by which a society can organize itself is leading to the increased rewarding of acts of self-interest; the greater and narrower this self interest, the more financial reward our system appears to be endowing on people. I acknowledge that this is a warping of the basic theory of self-interest; which was never meant to be ‘narrow’ self interest, however this is the way I see things occurring.

            I suspect this is leading to more psychopathic/sociopathic qualities being displayed than perhaps that 1% estimate accounts for.

            I am interested to know whether this culturally “nurturing” aspect was acknowledged in the psychology literature you studied.

            • Anne 9.1.3.2.2.1

              What you say makes a lot of sense blue leopard and goes back to my contention that many people exhibit certain psychopathic tendencies without being regarded as clinical psychopaths. This is the category John Key falls into – in my humble opinion.

              I remember reading years ago that the professions where people with psychopathic tendencies are most prevalent are those where there is a high degree of control over what can often be described as vulnerable citizens. The examples given were the education and health sectors and the police were also mentioned. I would certainly add politicians – both local and national – as another area where they can exist in higher than normal numbers.

            • Colonial Viper 9.1.3.2.2.2

              Just watch “The Century of The Self”.

              Humans have different aspects to their character and nature. The ones you feed will grow stronger and the ones you don’t will not. The work of Freud and of the early Madison Avenue crowd helped to begin rewriting American psychology and mass culture over several generations.

              They have basically succeeded, at this point.

              • And read Stuart Ewen’s classic book “All Consuming Images” (Ewen was interviewed in Century of the Self).

                Edward Bernays – Freud’s cousin, author of the book “Propaganda”, founder of PR: A life devoted to the reconstitution of people as separate, fractured pieces of flotsam bobbing along unsupported by the vessel of a stable social world, all ready to be washed up on the shores of capitalism.

                It’s surprising how deliberate it all was.

              • RedLogix

                The ones you feed will grow stronger and the ones you don’t will not.

                With age you get to realise how absolutely true this is.

                Sometime in the immediate aftermath of the Cold War and the opening up of the Soviet Union a very highly placed figure in the Soviet regime was quoted as saying something along the lines, “the reason why the USA won and we did not, was that the Americans had Madison Avenue … and your propaganda was believed, while no-one believed ours”.

              • emergency mike

                What CV said.

            • blue leopard 9.1.3.2.2.3

              Ah! Clearly that comment struck a chord.

              Thanks very interesting responses Anne, Leftbutnotdeluded, CV, Puddleglum & RedLogix

              I guess we’ve all read The Independent’s Beware of Corportate Psychopaths article.

              I sincerely hope that Wayne does too. Things have changed since his time in parliament and it is starting to get past ‘gullible’ to continue to ignore the cultural change in values that have occurred amongst our ‘superiors’.

              CV, I have been wanting to watch that “The Century of the Self” since watching “All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace” and looking up the director, Adam Curtis. Must get onto it!

              Leftbutnotdeluded, that was funny!

              Puddleglum, will look up that book, thanks, the recommendation is most appreciated.

            • emergency mike 9.1.3.2.2.4

              Sorry for the late reply.

              “I am of the opinion that the culture we have today, is encouraging psychopathic qualities.”

              I think so too. The relentless focus on materialism, commercialism, celebrity worship, ‘greed is good’, win at all costs, the end always justifies the means, and the US style division of people into ‘winners’ and ‘losers’ doesn’t exactly encourage community spirit.

              “I suspect this is leading to more psychopathic/sociopathic qualities being displayed than perhaps that 1% estimate accounts for.”

              People display such qualities regularly. There are few saints about who’ve never done anything deceitful, spiteful, hateful, hurtful or devious. Just because someone does doesn’t make them a psychopath, so be careful throwing that dangerous and loaded word about. But yes broadly I agree. When the world becomes more dog-eat-dog, you get yourself a knife and fork.

              “I am interested to know whether this culturally “nurturing” aspect was acknowledged in the psychology literature you studied.”

              No, but only because it’s outside the scope of scientific psychology. That’s more down the sociology, anthropology, cultural studies road. But personally, I think that a fish rots from the head down. The leader sets the example that the next layer of leadership follows. Once the true nutters get in power, Hitler, Stalin etc, it’s like they refashion the entire society in their own image.

              • blue leopard

                Thanks Emergency Mike, it is helpful to know the ‘technical’ aspects of the definitions for a psychopath. Based on what you say I shall adjust my terminology/thinking to say, we appear to have a lot of pretend psychopaths, or wannabe-psychopaths, on display, rather than saying we have more psychopaths around!

                There is something of a debate going on in my mind re your last paragraph; there has to be a case considered for ‘us’ choosing our leaders. (Or perhaps there is a interdependent mechanism; its a bit that the leaders take control, yet also that we choose our leaders.)

                There has to be some accuracy to the view that if we have shit values then it is likely people with shit values get acclaimed and rise to the top of the shit-heap. The leaders then progress us further along the road of even worse values.

                Please excuse bad language, yet these words provide the most accurate reflection of the way I am starting to view current events (and values).

                I guess I am addressing the question of how responsible are we (collectively) for this state of affairs or is it that we are victims of it all?

                • Anne

                  … if we have shit values then it is likely people with shit values get acclaimed and rise to the top of the shit-heap.

                  Succinct and correct blue leopard – earthy language n’all. :)

                  I take emergency mike’s point that not all people who, at some point in their life, behave in a devious, hateful or spiteful way are psychopaths. However, I have known a few people who, after long term observation and knowledge of their behaviour, fulfill the criteria as having at least some psychopathic tendencies. In one case definitely more than just tendencies… I might add that person is a woman too which is quite unusual.

                • Anne

                  I guess I am addressing the question of how responsible are we (collectively) for this state of affairs or is it that we are victims of it all?

                  Many of us are victims – either directly or indirectly due to the “shit values” of so many people these days. On the other hand there are many very good people and they cover all walks of life. The problem is, every now and then the balance gets out of kilter and I believe we are seeing precisely this happening today.

                  • @ Anne,

                    Ah! earthy language! Yes, thats a nice way to put it!

                    Appreciate your reflections, it sometimes really is a great relief to have someone understand and agree with one’s comments, thank you.

                    Your point re viewing current ‘phenomenon’ with regard to balance, balanced/out of balance, is a helpful way to see things.

                • emergency mike

                  Yes I also recommend Century of the Self, it covers a lot of what your are talking about BL.

                  How responsible are we? That’s a tough one, we like to think we make our own objective choices in life, but we are born into a world where myths govern our world view, and manipulation (advertisers, politicians, journalists, Simon Lusk) is a daily reality. You might also want to talk to Draco T Bastard about representative vs direct democracy, though I’m not convinced that direct d is a simple answer to psychopaths in power.

                  When a psychopath fools someone, they are called a ‘victim’. But the psychopath would say they deserved it because of their stupidity. I do wonder how different human history would be look if we stopped following and electing psychopaths, and how different our society and concept of ‘human nature’ and ‘human failings’ would be without them.

                  Awareness is key, and it’s happening. But how to tweek or replace the system to get rid of them I do not know.

                  • @ E. Mike

                    I also, am not convinced re direct democracy. Perhaps its becoming more possible with computers and the internet, (security would still be a massive problem), however I think it is hard to avoid someone, or a group of people somewhere, having some sort of pivotal role in organizing a system, including one of direct democracy, and with such a pivotal role, comes the opportunity to corrupt and take over the system. Therefore it may not actually address the issue.

                    I also really don’t think everyone ‘has the head for’ or wants to be actively involved in politics and don’t know whether it is a great thing to force such people into active engagement (actually this is a real debatable point!).

                    I do think some requirement for more active involvement from citizens would create more interest in politics, and would most likely lead to a more thoughtful society, however, direct democracy seems possibly a tad too much involvement for many and certainly extremely hard to achieve when there are millions of people in each country and (as mentioned in my first paragraph); potentially doesn’t address the issue of corruption anyway.

                    Re objective choices: I tend to think choices are not always as self-propelled as people like to think they are. Where I do think we can actively choice is in the realms of values: We can actively consider ways of behaving; see where a certain behaviour leads and after thinking about this, choose which type of behaviour we value. I don’t think many are doing this type of thinking these days and believe this is being reflected in the values ‘our societies’ are rewarding.

                    As sacrilegious as it is to suggest that people ‘think about things’ ; such contemplation might be the best, if not only, inoculation to corruption in society/leadership that we have.

                  • Anne

                    When a psychopath fools someone, they are called a ‘victim’. But the psychopath would say they deserved it because of their stupidity.

                    That is exactly what the woman I was referring to earlier used to do (perhaps still does) emergency mike. She got her kicks out of life conducting (or organising others on her behalf) hoaxes on individuals and years later would boast about her crimes and laugh and jeer because they had fallen for it. It was way too late to do anything about it which I found distressing and frustrating. Some of her victims were high profile people too and included at least one prime minister.

  9. BM 10

    Key can easily spin this to his advantage.

    Had a quick read and basically what I got out of the article was that Key had concerns that some people were still concerned about certain data gathering aspects so is adding another layer of protection for peoples privacy.

    This may be completely incorrect but that’s what I took away from the article.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.1

      Yes, you are completely incorrect. He’s not proposing to change the wording of the legislation at all, and his assurances (which cannot be believed) will not apply to future Prime Ministers even if Key keeps his word.

      Glad I could clear that up for you.

    • emergency mike 10.2

      Yep incorrect. Key is saying he will use his discretion about who gets spied on. Which is the opposite of another layer of protection for peoples privacy.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 11.1

      Other than the fact that Key has admitted today that his forceful winning assertions were all bullshit, that is.

    • emergency mike 11.2

      So you agree that the snapper issue is just a bullshit distraction from the GCSB bill?

      • Winston Smith 11.2.1

        I agree that John Key administered a well-deserved spanking to John Campbell

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 11.2.1.1

          That analysis relies far more on style than substance (not to mention obscene power-worship). On the substantive issue, Key has now been forced to admit that Campbell was right and he was wrong.

          Do you suppose the matter will just lie there now?

    • bad12 11.3

      Ha ha ha, i have to admit that that cartoon is amusing, doubly so when you consider Slippery the Prime Ministers ‘fit’ of panic after He watched Campbell Live last night,

      Removed from the disguise of Mr cool, calm and collected we have now been shown ‘The shyster’ absolutely dumping in His pants over the Campbell Live program showing that New Zealand is Definitely Not singularly concerned over one simple issue of catch limits for fish,

      Surprise surprise for Slippery, Captain Panic pants and the other flotsom and jetsom that occupy the 9th floor of the Beehive, us Kiwis can be concerned about complex multiple issues especially when those issues impinge upon what little freedoms we as citizens possess,

      An act of abject panic for the unconcerned Prime Minister sending nighttime statements to it’s main organ of Stassi misinformation, panicking to the maximum over one simple TV program…

  10. tracey 12

    Campbell needs to highlight it big time on his show

  11. BLiP 13

    John Key’s statement that content cannot be examined is just another lie to go with the other lies he has told about the whole affair . . .

    Iain Rennie came to me and recommended Fletcher for the GCSB job

    I told Cabinet that I knew Ian Fletcher

    I forgot that after I scrapped the shortlist for GCSB job I phoned a life-long friend to tell him to apply for the position

    I told Iain Rennie I would contact Fletcher

    I haven’t seen Ian Fletcher in a long time.

    I did not mislead the House (14)

    I have no reason to doubt at this stage that Peter Dunne did not leak the GCSB report

    I called directory service to get Ian Fletcher’s number

    the new legislation narrows the scope of the GCSB

    the GCSB has been prevented from carrying out its functions because of the law governing its functions

    because the opposition is opposed the GCSB law ammendments, parliamentary urgency is required

    the increasing number of cyber intrusions which I can’t detail or discuss prove that the GCSB laws need to be extended to protect prive enterprise

    it was always the intent of the GCSB Act to be able to spy on New Zealanders on behalf of the SIS and police

    National Ltd™ is not explanding the activities of the GCSB with this new law

    cyber terrorists have attempted to gain access to information about weapons of mass destruction held on New Zealand computers

    the law which says the GCSB cannot spy on New Zealanders is not clear

    the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was an isolated incident

    The advice I have had in 4 years as a Minister is that in no way ever has there been an indication of unlawful spying

    first I heard I heard about Kim Dotcom was on 19 January 2012

    first I heard about the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was in September

    I did not mislead the House (6)

    I won’t be discussing Kim Dotcom during my Hollywood visit.

    The Human Rights Commission couldn’t get its submission on the GCSB legislation in on time.

    it would cost too much to for the police and SIS to carry out the spying on New Zealanders that this new legislation will permit

    critics of the GCSB legislation, including the Law Society, the Human Rights Commission, and the Privacy Commission, are all uninformed

    no, I did not mislead the House (?)

    I do not know how Mr Henry is conducting the Enquiry

    no, I did not mislead the House (??)

    we do not spy on journalists

    the passing of phone records to the Henry Enquiry was an error on the part of a contractor

    I wasn’t aware that my own Chief of Staff was instructing Parliamentary Services to hand over information concerning journalist Andrea Vance

    National Ltd™ has never tried to impinge on the role of the media

    I had nothing to do with information on a journalist being handed over to the inquiry into the leaking of the GCSB report

    I was not opposed to the NZ Defence Force, Police and SIS making a presentation at the public submissions on the GCSB legislation

    the terms of the enquiry made it clear to everyone that it was only the phone records of parliamentary staff and ministers that were to be provided

    I have the utmost respect for the media and the role it plays in New Zealand’s democracy

    the Henry Enquiry did not access a journalist’s building-access records

    the Henry Enquiry did not ask for phone and email records

    no, I did not mislead the House (??)

    the Greens are opposed to the GCSB and the SIS even existing

    the GCSB needs to spy on New Zealanders because there are al-Qaeda terrorists in New Zealand

    John Minto is in the Green Party

    the GCSB needs to spy on New Zealanders because of the terrorist threat, even though official reports released over my signature say there is no risk and the SIS has the matter in hand

    the GCSB Bill does not give the GCSB the power to look at the content of communications as part of its cyber-security functions

    . . . thanks John, I’m lovin’ it.

    • bad12 13.1

      Yes, the lies of the Slippery little Shyster become more glaringly apparent by the day, add fool to the epithets as well as on a level of lowered intellectual dissection the Prime Minister could have been said to have ‘got away with’ the blathering bulls**t He fed to New Zealand via His appearance on Campbell Live,

      However, the abject panic involved in the Prime Minister sending after-hours statements to it’s main organ of friendly disinformation, the Herald, after having His cover blown by that same TV program the night after His appearance the previous night came down to a simple matter of who blinked first,

      He did, Fool, issuing such a statement claiming to be changing the rules is simply an admission that everything He said previously about such spying being as harmless as a ‘Norton anti-virus’ was total bulls**t…

    • Poem 13.2

      Thanks BliP, brilliant post !! And if anyone is a terrorist, its john key.

  12. Tom 14

    In comparing GCSB to Norton AntiVirus Key is raising a lot of red flags …

    Developed and distributed by Symantec, it *only* runs on MS Windows and Mac OS X.
    It has involved FBI cooperation in developing a keylogger [Magic Lantern], an update disabling legitimate software, slow and indifferent service on bugs, a faulty update for Norton AntiVirus 2006 users, criticisms for refusing to uninstall completely – leaving unnecessary files behind, incompatibilities with ZoneAlarm, a firewall warning stating that a Norton-associated file – “PIFTS.exe” – was trying to connect to the net, and consumers complaints for perceived ethical violations .. and that is just what is the public domain.

    • bad12 14.1

      Slippery’s advisers, obviously having not researched the particular anti-virus have obviously primed Him to ‘dumb down’ the issue of GCSB spying upon Kiwis email accounts by having Him connect the actions of the GCSB as no different than an antivirus software in action,

      It was all conspired to show a picture of the GCSB legislation being for the protection of the average Kiwi and the dullards on the 9th floor of the Beehive went so far as to insult the intelligence of the average Kiwi by linking spying upon them and antivirus software in the same vein,

      That’s twice in a week the Slippery little Shyster has insulted our intelligence, the first being the ludicrous ”Kiwis are more concerned over snapper quota” red herring dragged across the GCSB issue to try and form a distraction as if we cannot comprehend more than one complex issue at once, both of which impinge upon the freedom of the average Kiwi,

      More FOOL the Prime Minister, busily digging the hole in which His election hopes will be buried…

    • Sable 14.2

      Yep its ugly bloatware and a pain in the ass to expunge from a system. Annoyingly every new laptop comes with a sample load of this shitty thing. Give me Avast anyday…

      • Hami Shearlie 14.2.1

        Or Sophos for Mac – it’s great, it works, it’s free, and most importantly in comparison with John Key’s “Nortons” it’s OPTIONAL!!!

        • blue leopard 14.2.1.1

          @ Hami Shearlie

          Yes, its optional, interesting, and just like Sophos for mac being optional because it is not actually needed, neither should overarching spying on citizens be needed either.

          Historically Microsoft has been targeted due to Microsoft’s underhand business behaviours. If we are ‘requiring’ extra security perhaps it is more important to look at the reasons for this and move toward a system that is more secure from the outset.

          I know there is a weakness in this analogy; mac haven’t been perfect, yet am drawing a parallel here as to the causes for system insecurity and the best way of proceeding. Insecurity doesn’t ‘magically’ appear from nowhere.

          • infused 14.2.1.1.1

            Most stupid thing I have ever read.

            Microsoft are targeted because of their overall market share. It’s that simple. Way target mac with such a small market share.

            Macs are no more secure than Windows. The effort / reward for targeting mac just isn’t there.

            No system is secure because it’s programmed by Humans.

            • blue leopard 14.2.1.1.1.1

              @ Infused,

              Yes perhaps not the best analogy, yet you miss the point I am making, so much so that you provide examples that support it.

              Monopolies are notoriously for their negative effects and to achieve them usually requires aggressive and underhand behaviour.

              This behaviour can create enemies and also, as you say, once the monopoly is achieved, creates vulnerability. Microsoft is a desirable target for both these reasons.

              Monopolies go against many of our basic economic principles for [many] good reasons; not that anyone would believe it the way monopolistic behaviour is being quietly condoned these days.

              Monopolies are unhealthy and need to be avoided, yet the advantages are so great for some that they spend a lot of time and money in order to perpetuate them, pursuing activities such as influencing laws or even invading other countries under dubious reasoning and against international agreements.

              Anyone objecting to, or uncovering this dubious behaviour are called names such as Terrorist or Traitor for example.

              Microsoft platform does have weaknesses (note the word diversity in the quote.)

              “The vast majority of viruses target systems running Microsoft Windows. This is due both to Microsoft’s large market share of desktop users (over 95%), and to design choices in Windows that make it much easier for viruses to infect hosts running Windows. Also, the diversity of software systems on a network limits the destructive potential of viruses and malware…..
              ……Theoretically, other operating systems are also susceptible to viruses, but in practice these are extremely rare or non-existent, due to much more robust security architectures in Unix-like systems (including Linux and Mac OS X) and to the diversity of the applications running on them. There are no known viruses that have spread “in the wild” for Mac OS X

              Wikipedia – Computer Viruses

              However, why bother addressing the cause of vulnerability when you can get the general public to ‘pay’ for the protection.

              Any of this sound familiar to you?

            • Descendant Of Sssmith 14.2.1.1.1.2

              I’ve never had a virus on my C64 – ever.

              • karol

                I’ve always used microsoft computers and, in 18 years, I’m not aware of ever having had a virus.

      • risildowgtn 14.2.2

        Revo Pro Uninstaller is what I had to use on my new Laptop to get rid of Nortons. (It came with it)

        Then had to do Registry leftovers by hand,,, Revo didnt get ALL of them…………

        I did a search on them all…….

        SPYING

  13. Poem 15

    Unless John key backs up that assurance with action and puts it in the legislation, it means absolutely nothing. John key is a liar and a contemptuous fool to treat NZers like they are mindless hicks. John key is an insult to one’s intelligence.

  14. Sable 16

    This is not stupidity, its actually quite clever. Claim the original message was made with integrity and then amend it when informed “otherwise”. It makes Keys look conscientious in the eyes of the public. He really “cares” about getting this right as its soooooo important.

    This is the kind if A grade spin lots of money can buy you.

  15. tracey 17

    Tv3 running it on midday news

  16. Ennui 18

    The next person who says to me, “If you have got nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear”, is going to find out that I don’t hide my metaphorical fists. That wont prevent the damage that said metaphorical fists do.

  17. tsmithfield 19

    The phrase “would not be” is forward looking. It appears that Key was foreshadowing the change he intended to make.

    • felix 19.1

      Lolwut??

      You mean he contradicted himself on purpose?

    • bad12 19.2

      Aaah the muted squeaking of one of the few diehard defenders of the Slippery faith at the Standard today, dancing upon the head of a pin in an effort to ‘define’ what Slippery the Prime Minister ‘meant’ when the only thing He meant was to ‘sell’ the people a piece of Legislation they neither want nor find necessary,

      You just know that the Prime Minister has blown it big time when the ‘faithful’ are reduced to a whine,(perhaps you would like more cheese with your whine sir)…

    • BLiP 19.3

      It must soothe the cognitive dissonance to admit John Key is a fool rather than a liar by overlooking the fact that, at this stage, the GCSB legislation is a “Bill” not an “Act”, hence John Key’s use of the future tense.

    • Puddleglum 19.4

      Hi tsmithfield,

      So when Key was being interviewed about the GCSB Amendment Bill and was busily citing various sections of the Bill he slipped in a comment presaging an hitherto unmentioned proposed alteration?

      He then failed – or chose not – to mention that this suggestion would be a “change“, perhaps assuming that John Campbell and all viewers could understand that anything he might say that was not actually in the legislation as it stood would be included?

      There are a few problems with your interpretation of what Key’s comment ‘appear’ to have intended to convey to the viewers.

      First, no such alteration of the wording of the legislation will occur (so it seems from the Herald piece). There is to be no ‘change’.

      Second, Key’s comments make it clear that this is part of how John Campbell and Campbell Live had got wrong” its reporting on this issue. Yet, if they ‘got it wrong’ how on earth did he expect them to read his mind or the future or both?

      Third, remember that the discussion was over Section 8A as drafted in the Bill. Campbell claimed that this section was ‘meaningless’ and ‘so broad”. Key said it was clear to the lawyers – they “absolutely understand it”. This is the relevant section of the interview (thanks karol!):

      JK: OK, we’ll come back to the Law Society in a moment. So what happens [present tense] under that provision [Section 8A] is, if the GCSB wanted to provide cyber security support to an agency – let’s take IRD and its facility – OK? So that’s the provision again [i.e., Section 8A, again], they’d have to go through that process of getting a warrant by the inspector or by the Commission, by me, subject oversight of the commissioner – OK, the inspector – OK. Fine. So, that’s the first thing. You have to get a warrant. Do you know what happens under that? They cannot look at the content of

      JC: OK.

      JK: anything in there. All they can do, is protect you [This is incorrect; as the legislation is written they can do much more if any Prime Minister allows it.]. So it’s against malware, or against a vrus. So you have on your computer

      Notice that Key’s question to Campbell – “Do you know what happens under that?” – if your speculation is correct, is essentially John Key asking Campbell to do the impossible: Read Key’s mind. What he says next has no basis in the proposed legislation, as written.

      Fourth, even in the statement that Key released to the Herald it is stated that there are, indeed, circumstances in which Key would happily allow content to be accessed:

      If a serious cyber intrusion was detected against a New Zealander, the Prime Minister would require the GCSB to return and make the case to apply for a new warrant to access content, only where the content is relevant to a significant threat.

      “In that warrant application, the Prime Minister would also expect the GCSB to seek the consent of the New Zealander involved, unless there were very good reasons not to do so.”

      That released statement implicitly confirms that (a) no change to the Bill was being foreshadowed by Key’s comments on Campbell Live, and (b) Key’s comment that “They cannot look at the content of anything in there” was, at best, incomplete and at worst still incorrect (even given what was in his mind, presuming everything in the release to the Herald was part of what was ‘in his mind’) since they could access content under some circumstances.

      It stretches credibility to breaking point to assume that (a) Key realised that the Bill as currently written did not include a constraint over accessing content, but (b) knew that in the warranting process he intended to prevent such access and, so, (c) answered on that basis while, (d) failing to clarify that he was not answering on the basis of how the Bill was written but, rather, on the basis of how he intended to administer warrants (which means that his mission of clarifying the issues concerning the Bill as written was undermined by his own unclear comments).

      Far simpler – and reasonable – explanations for his comment include that he was either not familiar enough with the content of his own Bill, or that he was familiar enough with it but chose to obfuscate the point.

    • emergency mike 19.5

      What change is that exactly?

  18. tracey 20

    Puddlegum. Sadly the truth appears irrelevant… what matters is that key beat campbell. I mean thats good for the country right?

    • Puddleglum 20.1

      I know what you mean, tracey, but it happens to be impossible for the truth to be irrelevant; though it often bides its time.

      When I’m feeling a bit dispirited over how muddled and wrong everything can sometimes seem I console myself with the old saying: ‘Good’ has one enemy; ‘Evil’. ‘Evil’ has two enemies – ‘Good’ … and ‘Evil’.

      It’s an unfair contest, really – so best to be on the winning side :-)

  19. tracey 21

    Eventually the truth about this pm will become relevant. I fear for many aspects of nz society until then.

    r norman was pithy and pointed today.

    key misled and then said but trust me.

    well done greens.

  20. MrSmith 22

    Keys appearance on Campbell live may back fire on the Nats, apart from the embarrassment of him having to explain himself in public Keys spin machine have strategically keep him off the radio and off shows like this for the last 5 years for a reason.

    • Sable 22.1

      Very true, its the same tactic they used with Bolger due to his unfortunate tendency to come off as an arrogant ass. I think in this case there is an element of that quality in Keys but I think too its hard to justify many of this governments policies so the potential to fall into logical traps is more marked too so Keys has been kept under wraps.

  21. MrSmith 23

    Any idea why my comment at 3.53 went to moderation?

    [lprent: Nope. The auto-moderation has been a bit quirky today. I suspect it is busy at wordpress. ]

  22. BrucetheMoose 24

    Never trust anybody that says trust me. Especially where money is involved.
    But hey, who cares, because apparently we are only interested in fish, so -

    Baked Snapper Fillet

    Ingredients:
    •1snapper fillet
    •1/2 red onion thinly sliced
    •1 bay leaf
    •1 tsp olive oil
    •1/2 lemon
    •a little butter
    •Dash of dried oregano
    •Pinch sea salt, black pepper taste

    Directions:
    1. Place fillets (pat dry) on parchment paper. Rub salt and pepper on the fillets
    2. Rub some butter on the aluminum foil, and place some onions on the foil. Then place fish on top of the onions
    3. Cover with remaining onion, herbs and bay leaves
    4. Drizzle olive oil, lemon juice over the fish and add remaining butter. Fold and seal fish with aluminum foil
    5. Place on tray and bake in a preheated 375F(190C) oven for approximately 8-10mins (~8 minutes per pound). Remove from the oven and allow to stand for 3-4mins without opening the bag.
    Simple, but it’s delicious. Trust me.

  23. Paul 25

    TV3 news shows up Key’s lies. Norman very coherent.

  24. Murray Olsen 26

    The increased number of trolls and NActoids posting here and on TDB in defence of Key and this Bill says to me that they are worried. They know Kiwis don’t like it, despite what they say about snapper. Tellingly, they haven’t released the hounds to comment all over any posts about fishing.

    At a guess, I’d say Key is personally very worried about keeping a promise he’s made to Washington. That’s who this rubbish is for, and that is so obviously where his allegiances lie.

  25. pollywog 27

    How could the new proposed spying laws stop a Kiwi styled Anders Brievik?

    Chances are some nutjob terrorist like that would be so distrusting of cyber communication as to never even use it.

    Now If you wanted to catch a Kiwi styled cabal of high financiers capable of taking down a Building 7 type of terrorist act…that would be a much easier proposal.

    These new powers seem to be more about getting a heads up on the watchers watching the watchmen!

  26. Tanz 28

    that photo says it all. Smug, arrogant and self-satisfied. This merchant banker is selling us out, he cares not what kiwis think or want. Dangerous or just hollow?

  27. richard 29

    More fuel from Rodney Harrison:

    In a nutshell, the reason why Mr Key is wrong as a matter of law in claiming that New Zealanders have nothing to fear from the GCSB bill is that his limited analysis of the three new functions to be conferred on the GCSB totally overlooks the point that the statutory intelligence-gathering powers of the GCSB are also being considerably expanded, at the same time as its functions are. When the totality of the changes is considered, we have a major increase in the overall role and powers of the GCSB. That, in some instances, the Prime Minister’s authority is required for the GCSB to proceed cannot alter this.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10913479

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    Labour has a comprehensive approach to end homelessness starting with the provision of emergency housing for 1000 people each year and putting an end to slum conditions in boarding houses, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes that homelessness is not...
    Labour | 30-08
  • Labour: A smarter approach to justice
    A Labour Government will improve the justice system to ensure it achieves real public safety, provides equal access to justice and protects human rights, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. “Our approach is about tackling the root causes of crime, recognising...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • The Daily Blog 2014 progressive voter guide – who to vote for to change ...
    If you want to know how to vote in a way to change this Government,  here is the electorate by electorate guide on how to strategically vote to kick National out of office. There are two votes. Electorate vote and Party...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Are Cameron Slater and Judiith Collins bare-faced liars?
    . . Are Cameron Slater and Judith Collins both bare-faced liars? Both of them. Liars? Here is why I ask… In the latest revelations, information disclosed by Rawshark/Whaledump to the NZ Herald alleges in further leaked sensitive information from  ...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • What has surprised me most about the Ashburton WINZ shootings
    The terrible deaths at a WINZ office in Ashburton took us all by surprise. Staunch poverty campaigner Sue Bradford commented before the deaths were known and was attacked by waves of twitterarti who knew best. Sue apologised but her wider...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kiri Hannifin  – Make domestic violence an election issue
    Violence against women and children continues to be a profound issue in this country.  Despite the stellar efforts of thousands of grass roots workers to support victims of violence every day, we cannot seem to stem the tide. The past...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Factchecking Key’s Leaders debate claims
    There were so many questionable facts Key threw at Cunliffe in last nights debate that I emailed a few contacts to ask if they were true. Here is the very long list of things Key said that simply were not...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • August Blog stats – TDB closing in on Kiwiblog – our final election con...
    The August blog stats are in, and The Daily Blog retains our position as the largest left wing blog in NZ with 416 374 visits last month and 667 411. Kiwi Blog who has been operating for a decade with...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – New Zealand First: Coalition of the Willing...
    There is, right now, an absolute metric truck-tonne of misinformation, lies, and willful distortion flying about on social media, in the blogosphere and even in the media and corridors of power about New Zealand First’s coalition position. Some of this...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Judith Collins i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Press Leaders Debate – proof a newspaper can kill the internet
    No more beersies for you Mr Key. Seriously – was the Prime Minister drunk during this debate? I am so sickened by what passed as a Leaders debate, I will make this review short and vicious. Everyone involved in putting...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Voting starts tomorrow!
    On the telly, in the papers, on the Net, billboards on almost every street corner – it’s hard to miss the fact that there’s an election coming up. Everyone’s trying to win your vote on Election Day, September 20, (this...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry a whitewash before it has even started
    The farce whitewash that Key is trying to push through here for the inquiry into Judith Collins role in a hit on the SFO should enrage any NZer, regardless of how they vote. Whaleoil won’t be forced to appear, it’s...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Press Leaders Debate – Round 2 – 7pm tonight
    This debate is live in a Town Hall, Key has done well at these in the past, but since the hate politics exposed in Dirty Politics, expect real fury directed at Key. My guess is that Key will attempt to use whatever he...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • MANA hit speed wobbles – why Annette Sykes will win Waiariki
    MANA are my favourites. But of late, their transition from crawling to sprinting has hit some speed wobbles. Hone’s and Pam’s aggressive attitude towards the media recently is very understandable in light of how connected many of the media were to...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Soz Cam – PaknSave boycott of whaleoil continues – time to start a boyc...
    Cam is so carcinogenic now, not even his mates in the Tobacco Industry are talking to him any longer. I suspect only the Israeli Defence Force propaganda department are paying for content on whaleoil now. Cam says that PaknSave have dropped their problems...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Rock Fuels NZ Roastbuster Rape Culture
    This is making me feel pretty uncomfortable. Here we have an instance of Jono and Ben posing like “exposed celebrities”. But do you know what I’m seeing? I’m seeing two dudes who basically “roasted” a woman online (exposed pictures of...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – Why beneficiaries need advocacy
    There are times when I am wrong. I was wrong recently when someone suggested to me that AAAP should be eligible for government funding to continues its advocacy work. That was before. Before dealing with advocacy on a weekly basis...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • TheDailyBlog September Political Poll Has Been Kicked Off
    The Daily Blog’s August poll has concluded and the September poll has been kicked off, asking readers: What party will you likely vote for at this year’s General Election? You will see this month’s poll in the right-hand sidebar of...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Jamie Whyte, leave that poor seal alone!
    Worse than showing mere lip service to Rainbow inclusion, ACT leader Jamie Whyte showed stunning arrogance when appeared at a candidates debate on rainbow issues hosted by the Auckland University Students’ Association last Thursday. The stunning hypocrisy was evident as...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Right wing can’t help but use scum
    Some people have been shocked that the traditional right wing party in New Zealand politics is so deeply embedded with scum like the blogger Whale Oil. We need not be so surprised. It takes a certain type to support the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: National’s Ohariu candidate admits contact by Simon Lusk
    . . Wellington, NZ, 31  August – At a meet-the-candidates public meeting in the Rongotai Electorate, National’s Ohariu candidate, Brett Hudson, confirmed that he had been approached by “a mate”, who passed on a message from  National Party operative, Simon...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014
    Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Petition for Governor General of New Zealand to Investigate all the allegat...
      Now we see the inquiry will be a whitewash, that is secret, won’t be consulted with the Opposition, will have limited scope and will ignore Nicky Hager’s book, we must demand the Governor General step in and demand an...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014
    I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had been a frequent visitor to the tiny seaside village back in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s. Its tall cliffs and broad beaches providing a colourful backdrop to...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Checkmate in 1 move – how could Slater have known what was in OIA request...
    And now we get down to the final few moves before checkmate. If the following investigation is right, how could Slater and Collins have known what was in the Secret Intelligence Service Official Information Act request that hadn’t been released...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Of Jennifer Lawrence Without Consent
    Today the Edge website – owned by Media Works – published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent. It is not OK to publish naked media of any woman without her consent, full stop. It is absolutely disgusting...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate ...
    Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how good was I i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Maggie Barry slags Laila Harre & blogger, audience erupt
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting held their public meeting in Auckland last night and it became a fiery shouting match when Maggie Barry decided to slag Laila Harre and me off. 250 people packed into the Pioneer Hall off High...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • It has to be a full independent public inquiry and Key MUST front
      You know things are bad when images like this start appearing in the media.  It isn’t a ‘left wing conspiracy’ to point out the over whelming evidence of what is clearly a right wing conspiracy! If it looks like a conspiracy, sounds like a conspiracy...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Political Party social media stats – National playing Dirty Politics on s...
    Interesting data from friend of the blog, Marty Stewart, on social media likes and it shows an interesting question that post Dirty Politics should probably get asked…   …it’s interesting that Key has so many personal followers.  One wonders if...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • The depth of the National rot and the compliance of our news media
    I’m so tired. Aren’t you? I don’t want to read the news anymore. It’s awful and I feel ashamed of it. We live in a country that people all over the world would give an arm, a leg; their life...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Conservative Party candidate links smacking ban with suicide, sexually tran...
    If Chemtrails, faked moon landings and climate change denial weren’t enough, welcome to your new Minister for Spanking,  Edward Saafi... The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on the canonisation of Matthew Hooton
    Before we all start the canonisation of Matthew Hooton, let’s consider some home truths here shall we? While the Wellington Ruminator Blog, the blog who was previously mates with Judith Collins, now seems to have a crush on Matthew Hooton… …I...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on undercover cops in bars
    Dunedin police booze operation labelled ‘creepy’ Undercover police officers drank in Dunedin bars as part of an operation targeting liquor licensing offences. While police said the inaugural operation was a success — with most bars found compliant — the Hospitality...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Judith Collins press conference
    Judith Collins press conference...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Angry Lawyer – Collins, Odgers, Williams and legal ethics
    We deserve better lawyers than Judith Collins Three of the worst offenders exposed in Dirty Politics are lawyers: Judith Collins, Cathy Odgers, and Jordan Williams. What Nicky Hager exposed them doing would be out of line for anyone, but from...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Necessary Defence
    Increasingly climate change is becoming the main fracture line between political parties. Where political parties stand on climate change defines political parties and movements like no other issue. The Mana Movement like the Maori Party it sprang from, came out...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Why it is all over for John Key
    Image: Melanie D I’ve been confident that National will lose this election and that our focus should be on what a progressive Government needs to establish as its agenda in the first 100 days. Past that point, the establishment pushes back...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word to everyone who voted National in 2011
    I received this interesting email from a National Party supporter today… …let me say this to anyone who voted National last election – you should be ashamed by what has been revealed and what your vote ended up enabling but...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Déjà Vu All Over Again: John Ansell confirms his participation...
      THE MAN BEHIND the Iwi-Kiwi billboards that very nearly won the 2005 election for Don Brash and the National Party has confirmed his involvement in businessman John Third’s and former Act MP Owen Jennings’ campaign to drive down the...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Public Broadcasting Auckland debate 6.30pm tonight now with Colin Craig &am...
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting debate on public broadcasting happens tonight at 6.30pm in Auckland at the Pioneer Women’s Hall, High Street, Auckland City.  In the light of Dirty Politics and the manipulation of the media, public broadcasting is more important for...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Winners & Losers in Collins sacking plus what’s the latest on Slater...
      Make no mistake, there was no way this was a resignation, it’s a face saving way out for Collins, she was sacked.  My understanding is that National internal polls are haemorrhaging and that the powers that be within National...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Third party propaganda attacks incoming Labour-led government
    . . Further to a report by Daily Blogger, Chris Trotter, on receiving information regarding planned attack-billboards, the following billboard is highly visible to traffic on the southbound lane of the Wellington motorway, just prior to the Murphy St turn-off....
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour wins the Internet
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who tried to vote online for the leaders debate and couldn’t because the website was down. The next option was the txt vote, 75c a pop of course. So I’m not surprised that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Rotherham and the need to challenge willful bl...
    I haven’t been following the events in Rotterham too closely.  I’ve read about the basic issues and the culture of silence that stopped action been taken even after complaints were made.  That culture of silence is incredibly familiar, and described...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Independent Epsom Candidates ‘One Strike’ Crime Policy
    Best wishes to all of those who live in Epsom, Mount Eden, New Market, Remuera and of course the rest of New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Large majorities of NZ First voters would prefer Labour deal
    67% of those who voted for New Zealand First at the 2011 general election would prefer Labour to lead a coalition government if one is needed after September 20’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Jointly owned urban development agency for Christchurch
    “Given the strategic importance of the Canterbury rebuild, it is logical that the transition from emergency governance arrangements is overseen by the Prime Minister’s office, but to maintain momentum in the city centre an expert development agency...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix needed
    Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix is needed The Public Service Association (PSA) says the inquiry into Judith Collins’ behaviour must be accompanied by a process to restore the lost trust between Ministers and public servants if...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Association welcomes new Chief Executive
    “The New Zealand Police Association is pleased to announce the appointment of Heather Verry to Chief Executive. Heather picks up the mantle from Chris Pentecost, who recently retired from this position,” Police Association President Greg O’Connor said...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Young Voters Want Politicians to Grow Up
    Young voters want answers to the questions that directly affect them – but it seems as much as anything, they want politicians to grow up....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Climate Voter election debate to get big audience
    Auckland, 2 September 2014 - Tickets to tomorrow night’s first-ever Climate Voter election debate have sold out but an online audience will also get to see the event live....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Edge show disregard for consent
    The Edge has shown complete disregard for consent, for women’s bodies and in doing so has contributed to the wider issue of rape culture in New Zealand says specialist sexual violence prevention organisation, Sexual Abuse Prevention Network. Yesterday,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Rock is Fuelling New Zealand’s Roastbuster Rape Culture
    The Rock are still displaying without-consent images of Jennifer Lawrence and other celebrities online. They are making fun of this without-consent action, saying that she was "asking for it", etc. They appear to be supporting this kind of...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • HRLA Condemns Murder of Filipino Human Rights lawyer
    Attorney Rodolfo R. Felicio, a member of the National Union of Peoples Lawyers , was gunned down while working on a land dispute in Rizal, east of Manila. Two caretakers of the disputed land were also injured in the attack....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • SFO lays charges for procurement fraud
    Two individuals have been charged in the Auckland District Court today with Crimes Act charges laid by the Serious Fraud Office for alleged fraud against Mighty River Power Limited relating to procurement for the Company’s Southdown power station....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Commitment to lifting wages good for New Zealand
    The Service and Food Workers Union has applauded the Green Party workers’ policy announced today....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Sykes: There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Winston Peters Shown up by the Civilian Party
    Even the satirical 'Civilian Party' has now offered the Taxpayers’ Union more credible figures for the ' Bribe-O-Meter ' than Winston Peters’ New Zealand First. The Taxpayers’ Union Bribe-O-Meter now includes, National, Labour, the Greens,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Further criminal investigation into CTV Building collapse
    Police has today confirmed it will be advancing the criminal investigation into the collapse of the CTV building in February 2011....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens policy to restore link between effort and reward
    The Green Party’s new workers policy articulates an alternative to wage repression and job insecurity based on restoring the link between effort and reward, according to FIRST Union. The core tenets of the policy include implementing an $18 minimum...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens workers policy supported by union movement
    The CTU is supporting the Green Party’s policy launched today focused on improving life for working New Zealanders. “This policy shows the Greens commitment to collective bargaining as the best and fairest way to improve workers terms and conditions. It...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Research Scholarships for Cannabis Treatments
    Medical cannabis research will be boosted by $140 million if the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party is elected on September 20. Pediatric epilepsy treatment will be one of the main priorities for the research scholarships....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Ngai Te Rangi Change to Tribal Elections
    Ngai Te Rangi has begun a postal vote of beneficiaries to change the way representatives are elected to the two Ngai Te Rangi tribal organisations....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Greens’ commitment to pay equity welcomed by workers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the 58,000 workers they represent will benefit from the announcement by the Green Party of a commitment to pay equity and to a living wage for core public servants and contractors....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Real People Powering Real Policy
    New Zealanders from all walks of life have helped the Internet Party create a full platform of strong, progressive and realistic policies that will create a better future for everyone, says leader Laila Harré....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • University of Canterbury to help with forestry safety
    The University of Canterbury is to launch a new research project to make sure New Zealand’s new forestry roads are safe and are established with minimal environmental impact....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Time to get serious about ending homelessness!
    New Zealand needs a comprehensive set of policies that address the housing and support needs of homeless people as well as significantly increasing the supply of affordable, good quality houses and flats....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Hundreds to join domestic, sexual violence march
    Several social service providers from across New Zealand have come together to call for an end to the epidemic level of domestic and sexual violence in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Students helped with debt repayments
    New Zealand students now living in Australia are being reminded not to ignore their student loan debt as Inland Revenue expands its latest tool to help with repayments....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Launch of GenderNeutral.co.nz website
    GenderNeutral.co.nz are excited to announce the launch of their new website, GenderNeutral.co.nz ....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Factory farming debaters to look chicken in the eye
    MPs participating in a panel discussion about factory farming will come face-to-face with a real live hen, rescued from the claws of the intensive farming industry. Hettie the Hen will demonstrate to the MPs what little space is afforded to...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton
    Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton 1 September 2014 For Immediate Release “This morning I made comments on Radio New Zealand’s Nine to Noon programme about an attempt by staff in the Prime Minister’s Office to interfere in the appointment...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Worm turns down for John Key
    John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s Reactor, the original Worm. John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Without Consent
    The Edge website, owned by Media Works have published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Statement from the Governor-General on Ashburton Shootings
    The Governor-General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has expressed his deep shock following the shooting of three people in Ashburton today....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Update on IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    In recognition of the public interest, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security, Cheryl Gwyn, took the unusual step of providing an update during the course of an inquiry and confirmed today that she would be summoning a number of individuals...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • An Open Government Plan developed in secrecy
    The State Services Commission sent NZ’s Open Government Action Plan to the international Open Government Partnership (OGP) Secretariat on 31 July. The countries involved in the OGP since its inception - from the UK and US to Indonesia and Brazil...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • KiwiRail; another year older and deeper in debt
    That is a lot of money and there are lessons that need to be learnt before we pour in another $1 billion....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Fonterra China Deal Demands Safe Supply Chain
    The future success of Fonterra’s deal to sell infant formula in China [1] requires all milk it uses be safe and for Fonterra to secure its supply chain from contamination by GE DNA and pesticide residues. There is now significant...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • HRC praises Auckland mum for speaking out
    Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy has praised an Auckland mother of four who went public after humiliating treatment by staff at The Warehouse....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Southern DHB refers disputed issue to Serious Fraud Office
    Following advice from forensic investigation firm Beattie Varley Limited, Southern District Health Board has referred the expenditure at the centre of its long running dispute with South Link Health to the Serious Fraud Office. The parties have been...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Letter 1 September 2014
    Last night’s TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll puts the left and right 60 MPs each. United and the Maori Party say they will go with the side that gets to 61 MPs. ACT just needs just 1.3% or 28 thousand Party...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Shopping Giveaway Harmless Fun For Kids
    Family First NZ is rubbishing claims by critics including Gareth Morgan that the New World ‘Little Shop’ promotion is harmful for kids, and says that kids should be allowed to be kids. “Children love acting like their parents and pretending...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Red Cross launches employment service for former refugees
    New Zealand Red Cross is encouraging employers to give refugees a fresh startwith the launch of Pathways to Employment, a nationwide work assistance service....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Conservation Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Conservation Policy including the key objective of halting the current pattern of indigenous biodiversity decline within ten years....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Poverty is falling and income inequality is not rising
    “A Roy Morgan poll shows that the issue people are most concerned about is income inequality. This just goes to show how the persistent repetition of a lie bewilders the public. Income inequality is not in fact rising. And the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Rotary NZ responding to Fiji water and sanitation issues
    Clean water and sanitation are vital to health. In Fiji Rotary New Zealand have been targeting 22 communities that are experiencing severe hardship mainly because they don’t have access to clean water for their drinking, cleaning and cooking needs....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Work & Income shooting a Tragedy
    Kay Brereton speaking on behalf of the National Beneficiary Advocacy Consultancy group says; “Two people shot and another wounded, this is a tragedy and our deepest sympathy goes out to the family and whanau of the victims, as well as...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • 1080 Poison Deer Repellent not Effective – Farmers
    Four deer have been found dead within a farmer's bush block, after an aerial 1080 poison drop applied with deer repellent. The drop was part of a 30,000 hectare drop across the Northern Pureora Forest Park....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Employment Charter will strengthen migrants’ rights
    Establishing an Employment Charter for construction companies is a critical step to strengthening the rights of migrant workers that are fast becoming the face of the Christchurch rebuild, according to an alliance of union groups. The charter has...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Global March For Elephants and Rhino
    It’s a trans-national business that funds terrorist organisations, fuels conflict in Africa, and poses environmental, development and security challenges. The illegal wildlife trade is also a lucrative business, generating an estimated USD$20 billion...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • New series of videos aimed at disengaged youth
    From the people who brought you 'NZ Idle' (NZ's favourite web series about an artist on the dole) comes a new series about election time: Choice Lolz....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Picket Of Leaders Christchurch Debate
    KEEP OUR ASSETS PICKET OF LEADERS CHRISTCHURCH DEBATE TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 2nd, 6 p.m. ST MARGARETS COLLEGE, SHREWSBURY STREET, MERIVALE...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
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