John Key’s anti-democratic government

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1. Bill 1

   17 September 2013 at 9:38 am

   360 odd days and counting.
2. Tracey 2

   17 September 2013 at 9:49 am

   The fish rots from the head…

   Note the claim last week by a National MP that there were 1200 properties in his electorate for sale under $500,000. In fact that was the number in the whole of Auckland… so where DO they learn this behaviour from?
   • dumrse 2.1

     17 September 2013 at 7:29 pm

     The fish started rotting the minute DC held them up and, they rotted away real quick if i recall. I guess the rest of the exaggeration lesson comes from the new Labour leader who keeps telling us how many people, was that 8, 16 or 18… Living in a 2.5 no make that 3 or was it 3.5 bedroom house. Make up your mind and at least maintain a consistent lie.
3. tricledrown 3

   17 September 2013 at 9:58 am

   the 1% have more democratic “power” than the rest of us combined MRP shares at $2.17.
   National will have to sell the next 2 power co,s for even less!
   Firesale prices more corporate welfare.
   Meridian have already written off $476 million o f capital value as a result.
   $30 million to rio tinto for 1 more year guaranteed operation of Tiwae to get past election with out it being shut down.
   $40 million welfare to share buyers who will already be getting a firesale price!
   Total cost to tax payers for just the bribes $546 million.
   Goldman sacks fees $30 million.
   Nact sale promotion cost $30 million.
   Loss of value
   $476 million
   $500 to $1 billion closer to $1billion+
   True loss to NZ taxpayers close to $ 2 billion by the time each asset is flogged off at firesale prices!
   Even bungling Bills English says.
   Sales at the lowest end of predictions that doesn’t include the bribes and costs!
   • srylands 3.1

     17 September 2013 at 12:22 pm

     How is the $476 million capital write down related to the partial float of Meridian?
4. Jilly Bee 4

   17 September 2013 at 10:02 am

   Here we go folks http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11125498 and there’s more in the Herald, but that will do for starters.
   • karol 4.1

     17 September 2013 at 10:28 am

     JB, that’s the article I linked to, and quoted from in my post. Do you have a comment on it?
   • Tracey 4.2

     17 September 2013 at 10:36 am

     “”The unions decided the leader of the Labour Party,” Mr Key said at his post-Cabinet press conference.

     “The unions have been quite vocal historically about free trade agreements and if that has an impact that will be very sad.””

     Not that corporates determine Government policy… Warner Bros, Rio Tinto, Sky Casino and so on… OH the hypocrisy…or this http://www.businessnz.org.nz/aboutus

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5. tricledrown 5

   17 September 2013 at 10:07 am

   Tracy the outcome of the tv3 poll conducted during the show was 72% against govts policy.
   28% for.
   If the left can get the message out there they will win!
   National have been caught in a perfect storm where they are being found out.
   The distraction of floating the power co’s is playing into labours hands.
   • Tracey 5.1

     17 September 2013 at 10:10 am

     They need to keep selling so they can do a lolly scramble in the next budget (election year no less).

     I note regarding Meridian Key is reverting to the paying down debt line which he use din the last campaign to lure people into the sales and then didnt pay down any debt from the MRP sell down.

     It’s ok, we can TRUST key.
   • srylands 5.2

     17 September 2013 at 12:31 pm

     Good grief. It is not important. Most New Zealanders couldn’t tell you which power cos were Government owned and which were privately owned. Until all this hysteria started most of them had never heard of MRP either.

     It is a partial float of a couple of government owned power cos. Get over it. The only mistake the Government made is selling only 49%. That was an effort to dampen the hysteria by people that bought into the fiction that they were already “shareholders”. But it didn’t work. They should have gone for 100% – i.e the rational policy.

     Anyway, all the Government is doing is swapping one asset for another. Why on earth should a Government be running power cos? What next? Supermarkets?
     • framu 5.2.1

       17 September 2013 at 12:58 pm

       Why the hell should we get over it? – considering the majority of NZers are opposed maybe you should get over it and take your stinking thieving hands off our public assets

       get it into your somewhat location challenged head – you, nat, act and every other ticket clipping parasite who supports this policy are in the minority here.

       “fiction that they were already “shareholders”. ”

       fucking bullshit – am I for one am getting damn sick of this pathetic little distraction – we own it via the state, we receive a dividend via the state funding certain things for everyone. you don’t need a silly piece of paper to have ownership of a public asset – there are more forms of ownership under the sun than what you get via the stock market

       ” swapping one asset for another”

       well lets put aside that what the money is being spent on keeps changing – your arguing to sell a profit generating asset to fund a non profit generating asset – what a winner

       It IS important, because the majority deem it to be important – not you

       “What next? Supermarkets?”

       or maybe a straw man?
       • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 5.2.1.1

         17 September 2013 at 1:04 pm

         @ Framu
         +1 Well said
       • Macro 5.2.1.2

         17 September 2013 at 2:00 pm

         Couldn’t have said it better!
         These greedy pricks need to know that what they are doing is nothing more than theft from the common people – well we’re going to take it back.
       • dumrse 5.2.1.3

         17 September 2013 at 7:43 pm

         Did the left win the last election ? No, so fuck off and wait your turn then you can sell whatever you want.
         • framu 5.2.1.3.1

           18 September 2013 at 7:53 am

           Did national win the last election?
           Is basic math a bit too much for you?
           How much % is a majority?
           Do you even understand how mmp democracy works?

           You seem to be arguing for elected dictators.

           you need to get it through your head that…

           1) democracy is an ongoing thing – the govt has to turn up every day and try to win the public to its platform
           2) national didnt win the election
           3) the vast majority of NZers dont want asset sales
           4) democracy isnt about having turns

           so perhaps you should “fuck off”, grow up, educate your self and come back with an argument that shows why assets should be sold despite it not being popular. Because thats the issue – its not national won, you lost (because that didnt happen anyway), its about the govt doing something the majority dont want.

           But im not holding my breath – Considering the sterling effort you made above it might be best to check youve even managed to put your pants on the right way round first.

           Why do you hate democracy so much? could it be that you dont understand how it works
     • Draco T Bastard 5.2.2

       17 September 2013 at 1:51 pm

       They should have gone for 100% – i.e the rational policy.

       Selling any percentage of the power companies is completely irrational as it will leave the country worse off. We just have to look at telecommunications in NZ to see that. $17b taken out in dividends over the last 20 years and now we’re having to pay taxpayer money to upgrade the network – an upgrade that would have happened with that $17b if we hadn’t sold.

       Why on earth should a Government be running power cos?

       Because it’s the most efficient way to get power out to the populace with the economies of scale making it cost minimal amounts per household to cover running costs and no dead-weight loss of profit (that $17b of dividends that Telecom took out is a loss to the country as proven by the fact that we’re now having to pay taxpayer dollars to get the network upgraded).

       The facts disprove everything about economics that you believe.
     • Tracey 5.2.3

       17 September 2013 at 2:05 pm

       “Until all this hysteria started most of them had never heard of MRP either.”

       How very superior of you. It’s not the ignorant masses you say are out there that bother me, but the manipulative and deceitful folks like you srylands. How many times have you lied on this blog to bolster your points? Do valid arguments need lies to prop them up? Key seems to think so.
       • srylands 5.2.3.1

         17 September 2013 at 8:20 pm

         Well it is the drunk people like you who bother me.
6. fender 6

   17 September 2013 at 10:08 am

   Key thinks he has a mandate to do anything he likes, surprising that he hasn’t fired bullets at protesters…yet.
7. Jilly Bee 7

   17 September 2013 at 10:09 am

   And that’s not all – he was whingeing and wailing about how the unions had elected David Cunliffe as leader – ummmmmm 20%!!! Can’t find actual Herald article and quote – the Aunt is quite a good read this morning.
   • karol 7.1

     17 September 2013 at 10:29 am

     Again, JB, I linked to that article in my post.
     • Jilly Bee 7.1.1

       17 September 2013 at 11:13 am

       Sorry Karol – I’ve got a tad carried away this morning with what is happening – already. Just a general comment that at last someone is calling the Government to account for their shonkey deals (pun probably intended!). I need to come down to earth a bit and read all posts far more carefully. The same for my earlier comment at 4.
   • framu 7.2

     17 September 2013 at 1:02 pm

     which the logical follow up question from the journo should have been – “you do know 20% isn’t a majority”

     this after key bizarre claim that national won the election should have the MSM publicly questioning his grasp of basic addition
     • Macro 7.2.1

       17 September 2013 at 2:02 pm

       neither is 49 % nor even 50% but you tell that to Shonkey or the media…
8. Linz 8

   17 September 2013 at 10:17 am

   Key this morning on TV3: “The referendum is a referendum asking a question whether someone wants assets sales or not, not whether they want the programme stopped. That’s a different question actually.”
   He’s an idiot if he thinks he can get away saying something like with that. It might have sounded clever in a strategy meeting, but the public will see it for what it is and will resent being taken for fools.
9. aerobubble 9

   17 September 2013 at 10:25 am

   Thatcher unleashed impunity upon politics, not since WWII had it had wings. Welcome to vulture capitalism, where disaster capitalism follows in its shadow. Impunity politics can be seen as Pestilence, horsemen of the Apocalypse.

   Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death. Thatcherism reintroduced impunity, the disease meme back intot he body politic. Wars based on impunity in the middle east, on the planet, on resources (on fish even whipping out the cod fisheries of the N.atlantic). Now the middle east uprisings, due in part from the famine from food price spikes. And now the finale, Fukushima, the impunity of capitalism, of a company inadequate to the crisis, in a world where profits come before the planet. Reeking death on ecosystems for thousands of years.

   Welcome to the capitalist apocalypse. Key’s impunity, is National party hollow vision for New Zealand.

   Cavaet, any relation to religion is merely accidental as Christianity long since sucked up all the classic cultural warnings given from generation to generation and put it in a book claiming it came from their Gawd, no, the notion of the four horsemen is timeless, when human created disasters happened their had to be a disease of the mind, exaggeration that spent treasuries on war, loss of food production and then finally the inevitable consequence of death on large scale. It is no surprise to me that Hitler mixed impunity with faith, and no surprise George Bush Junior did so again.
   • Tracey 9.1

     17 September 2013 at 10:27 am

     Politics cannot make right that which is wrong.
10. karol 10

    17 September 2013 at 11:37 am

    So it looks like Cunliffe is leading on Chorus at Question Time today:

    1. Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE to the Prime Minister: Does he still think that Chorus “will go broke” if his Government does not intervene to change the pricing for access to the old copper-based broadband network as proposed by the Commerce Commission; if so, why?

    With Parker following up with his own question:

    4. Hon DAVID PARKER to the Minister of Finance: Did the Treasury provide advice as to whether he should support or oppose overruling the Commerce Commission’s draft determination on copper broadband pricing given that the Treasury has previously advised against subsidising big business such as the $30 million Tiwai subsidy which has “no economic justification”?
    • richard 10.1

      17 September 2013 at 1:53 pm

      At last! A leader of the opposition who asks serious questions
      • karol 10.1.1

        17 September 2013 at 2:22 pm

        Slightly shaky/nervous start from Cunliffe with his mind on “caucus”. But he kept calm, took a deep breath and kept on facing Key with the facts.

        And Cunliffe got some support from leaders of other opposition parties.

        And Cunliffe recovered and delivered a solid performance.

        Ice broken – Key may keep up with his nasty routine, but his smile could fade before too long.
        • aerobubble 10.1.1.1

          18 September 2013 at 4:18 pm

          Key was set to attack, and later govt attacks, were about the Labour caucus. So no, I don’t think Cunliffe slipped, he may in fact have making the encounter memorable, make himself look sympathetic, and also undermining Key inevitable attack on Labour.

          On that note, the Labour caucus division isn’t since those who didn’t vote for Cunliffe about half of the thirty odd MPs, merely indicate how out of touch they were with the party. And so
          its actually quite good for National to attack ‘division’ because its blather, its meaningless, in a week, a month, six months time, Cunliffe will still be leader, leading Labour into the next election.
11. Stick it Key 11

    17 September 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Where the sun dont shine you fascist Telling me that this govt has the right to reduce the bag limit for fishing for the good of the fish stock
    You ignorant bastard you and your sort have been allowing gross negligence in the managing of the nations fisheries ever since you brought in the quota system
    WTF you think u know it all get out of my country or [deleted] while stealing my right to fish

    [lprent: One of the things we do not allow is advocating violence to anyone. Read the policy. ]
12. Draco T Bastard 12

    17 September 2013 at 1:39 pm

    He told Morning Report the Government is acting like a “corporate raider”, asset-stripping state-owned power companies.

    This government is asset stripping the state and it’s doing it so that a few people can become richer while the majority of people drop further into serfdom (it’s the natural result of the commons being fenced).

    New Zealand First leader Winston Peters says the Government is being pig-headed and will sell the assets even if it means taking a loss.

    The country will take a loss but National’s rich mates will be much better off and National really doesn’t care about the increased poverty it will bring about. Hell, they probably like that bit as it will help lower wages.
13. Sable 13

    17 September 2013 at 2:04 pm

    The mainsteam media is calling Cunliffe’s campaign a “lurch to the left”. At least that’s the headline on Yahoo NZ today. As per usual they are Keys little scribes…..
    • Tracey 13.1

      17 September 2013 at 2:10 pm

      after this corporate arse-licking gvernment anything is a lurch to the left.

      lurch to caring
      lurch to house the poor
      lurch to feed children
      lurch to sensible economics
      lurch to fair wage for a fair days work
      lurch to safe working conditions
      lurch to save the environment
      lurch to innovation and diversification
    • aerobubble 13.2

      18 September 2013 at 4:31 pm

      Lurch to the left, well you have nothing to worry about Cunliffe is harmless, Chorus Causus, Key is smoking mad for nothing.
14. Ad 14

    17 September 2013 at 5:19 pm

    The Labour base has been refreshed on the meaning of democracy. But the upcoming local government elections, and the impending asst sales referendum, will throw cold water on the concept again until October 2014’s elections – because of their inherent futility.

    The left have made massive efforts to keep popular collective voices alive. But 10 years after the Foreshore and Seabed debate, the Maori Party that resulted are walking dead.

    Cunliffe is a start – all going well – but it will need far more than he to revive the idea of democracy in New Zealand.

    There is no doubt the latent will to collective consciousness is there – and far more technologically possible – but does not yet exist.
    • Draco T Bastard 14.1

      17 September 2013 at 5:50 pm

      But the upcoming local government elections, and the impending asst sales referendum, will throw cold water on the concept again until October 2014′s elections – because of their inherent futility.

      Oh, I think it’d be more adding fuel to the fire as more people realise that their democracy isn’t and start demanding it.
15. Paul Campbell 15

    17 September 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Selling your power company? then it would be bad time for someone to suddenly announce cheap fusion. …..

    http://www.dvice.com/2013-2-22/lockheeds-skunk-works-promises-fusion-power-four-years
    • Colonial Viper 15.1

      17 September 2013 at 11:06 pm

      It’s all bullshit, fusion has been 10 years away for the last 50 years, wake me up when someone can demonstrate a 10MWe plant (the equivalent of a small wind farm) working continuously.
      • Paul Campbell 15.1.1

        18 September 2013 at 8:48 am

        normally I’d agree with you – but Lockheed’s skunkworks have a certain reputation, I can’t imagine them announcing anything unless they were certain they have it locked up
        • Colonial Viper 15.1.1.1

          18 September 2013 at 8:55 am

          I always think the game with these things is the congressional appropriations game. “With just another 5 years of funding and $250M…”

          Having said that, the “Skunk Works” has delivered on some pretty amazing stuff, most of which we probably don’t have any idea of yet.

          IF there is a breakthrough in accessible fusion power generation…expect it to be limited to US military and govt use only for many years.
      • Murray Olsen 15.1.2

        18 September 2013 at 3:39 pm

        Fusion power was 10 years away 50 years ago, but with recent advances it’s only 40 years away today. Every time they make an advance, they find more than one new problem. I’m dubious about this one as well.
16. tricledrown 16

    17 September 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Serialyarandfraudster.
    Timr you did some economic history back in the 1880,s.
    Even the right whingers realised that you couldn’t have 5 power lines from five different generators that you couldn’t havr five different water or sewage lines to and from your house.
    It was tried you tell me how successful it was!
    Back then they realised it would be better if everyone owned utilities because the evidence proved it was more effecient!
    The free market myth that competition is good even back then when adam smith was imposing his unscienfic wrath of nations on us,Adam smith reckoned that competition only workef if their were at least 5 genuine competitors in the market.
    Where dors that happen anymore if it ever did.
17. tricledrown 17

    17 September 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Flim flam Key roll up roll up I have this free market snake oil it will make your future brighter.
18. tricledrown 18

    17 September 2013 at 11:36 pm

    Srylands supermarkets would be good at least we would have another competitor in this monopoly driven private sector!
    Meridian write down of $476 million dirty deal to get meridian sale over the line before next election.
    If meridian sold that power at a profit meridian would be worth a billion dollars more than it is now!
    Don’t tell me your masters didn’t tell you that little minded minion!

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