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		<title>By: Leo Vidal Consulting</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-212714</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Vidal Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Just asking « The Standard: It has been treated as gospel that if the Australians, for inadequately explained reas... http://bit.ly/8N5azf&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Just asking « The Standard: It has been treated as gospel that if the Australians, for inadequately explained reas&#8230; <a href="http://bit.ly/8N5azf" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/8N5azf</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-178210</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah compliance costs are high and tax law is even more hellishly complicated than is NZ&#039;s. And I&#039;m not a tax lawyer I just run a couple of small businesses.

But it seems that one of the reasons for the complexity is that Australia aims to target deductions to those who need / deserve them, ranging from business people to low income earners.

One example: starting a fledgling business I was delighted to learn that it&#039;s paltry earnings in the first year meant I got an &quot;entrepreneur&#039;s allowance&quot;.. not much, but in an environment where no one is a venture capitalist it was nice that the Australian government recognised I was giving it a go.

Unless you&#039;re making or retailing food or something the GST exemptions aren&#039;t a huge issue. I do my own accounts, use the ATO&#039;s own accounting software (admnittedly fairly rudimentary, but free and tailored to their reporting requirements) and their online lodgement tool which &quot;interviews&quot; you to help make sure you get your taxes right.

Of course bigger businesses would have much larger compliance costs, and state taxes are a pain, especially when they&#039;re wasted by incompetent state governments.

But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s quite as clear cut as the impression you&#039;ve been given Lynn. Inertia plays a big role in these decisions, whether acknowledged or not. Easier to stay with the status quo unless pushed.

And a higher corporate tax rate could well be that push...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah compliance costs are high and tax law is even more hellishly complicated than is NZ&#8217;s. And I&#8217;m not a tax lawyer I just run a couple of small businesses.</p>
<p>But it seems that one of the reasons for the complexity is that Australia aims to target deductions to those who need / deserve them, ranging from business people to low income earners.</p>
<p>One example: starting a fledgling business I was delighted to learn that it&#8217;s paltry earnings in the first year meant I got an &#8220;entrepreneur&#8217;s allowance&#8221;.. not much, but in an environment where no one is a venture capitalist it was nice that the Australian government recognised I was giving it a go.</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re making or retailing food or something the GST exemptions aren&#8217;t a huge issue. I do my own accounts, use the ATO&#8217;s own accounting software (admnittedly fairly rudimentary, but free and tailored to their reporting requirements) and their online lodgement tool which &#8220;interviews&#8221; you to help make sure you get your taxes right.</p>
<p>Of course bigger businesses would have much larger compliance costs, and state taxes are a pain, especially when they&#8217;re wasted by incompetent state governments.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s quite as clear cut as the impression you&#8217;ve been given Lynn. Inertia plays a big role in these decisions, whether acknowledged or not. Easier to stay with the status quo unless pushed.</p>
<p>And a higher corporate tax rate could well be that push&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s Called Competitiveness, Marty &#124; Fiscally Conservative Kiwi</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-178046</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s Called Competitiveness, Marty &#124; Fiscally Conservative Kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is what Marty at The Standard needs to understand. It&#8217;s about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is what Marty at The Standard needs to understand. It&#8217;s about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ieuan</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-177982</link>
		<dc:creator>ieuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one of the reasons companies would rather be based in Australia than New Zealand is they would prefer to be listed on the Australian stock exchange rather than the New Zealand one.

Our stock exchange is a joke, when did we last have a substantial new listing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the reasons companies would rather be based in Australia than New Zealand is they would prefer to be listed on the Australian stock exchange rather than the New Zealand one.</p>
<p>Our stock exchange is a joke, when did we last have a substantial new listing?</p>
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		<title>By: snoozer</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-177975</link>
		<dc:creator>snoozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wouldn&#039;t they be attracted to NZ by the fact that we&#039;re one of the easiest countries in the world to do business? Way ahead of Aus.

And it&#039;s simplistic to look just at the corporate tax rate. There&#039;s payroll tax etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wouldn&#8217;t they be attracted to NZ by the fact that we&#8217;re one of the easiest countries in the world to do business? Way ahead of Aus.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s simplistic to look just at the corporate tax rate. There&#8217;s payroll tax etc.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-177974</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the &#039;analysis&#039; focuses on the headline rate, and has a tendency to ignore the multiple layers of taxation. For instance state taxation in aussie. Higher admin costs with the less comprehensive GST. etc etc

Various businesses I&#039;ve been associated with have looked at setting up operations in aussie.  They&#039;ve usually balked at the higher rates of effective business taxation. You can get around a lot of it with a good enough accountant. But that usually costs as much as you save.

The effective rates of tax combined with the tax compliance costs for businesses in aussie are somewhat higher than they are here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the &#8216;analysis&#8217; focuses on the headline rate, and has a tendency to ignore the multiple layers of taxation. For instance state taxation in aussie. Higher admin costs with the less comprehensive GST. etc etc</p>
<p>Various businesses I&#8217;ve been associated with have looked at setting up operations in aussie.  They&#8217;ve usually balked at the higher rates of effective business taxation. You can get around a lot of it with a good enough accountant. But that usually costs as much as you save.</p>
<p>The effective rates of tax combined with the tax compliance costs for businesses in aussie are somewhat higher than they are here.</p>
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		<title>By: ieuan</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-177970</link>
		<dc:creator>ieuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The business tax rate does not just affect &#039;corporations&#039;, the vast majority of businesses in New Zealand are small, 10 or less people.

Taxing business profits essentially taxes the money that is left in the business that would otherwise be used for funding growth, paying back debt etc.

Money that is taken out of the business (dividend, wages etc) is then taxed as income at the &#039;normal&#039; rates.

In a nut shell the reason the government want to align the Australian and New Zealand rates is to stop the drift of companies to Australia, attracted by a (potentially) lower tax rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The business tax rate does not just affect &#8216;corporations&#8217;, the vast majority of businesses in New Zealand are small, 10 or less people.</p>
<p>Taxing business profits essentially taxes the money that is left in the business that would otherwise be used for funding growth, paying back debt etc.</p>
<p>Money that is taken out of the business (dividend, wages etc) is then taxed as income at the &#8216;normal&#8217; rates.</p>
<p>In a nut shell the reason the government want to align the Australian and New Zealand rates is to stop the drift of companies to Australia, attracted by a (potentially) lower tax rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarke</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-177964</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the logic of alignment with Australia made any rational sense, we would have raised our compulsory superannuation contributions to 9% of our take-home pay by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the logic of alignment with Australia made any rational sense, we would have raised our compulsory superannuation contributions to 9% of our take-home pay by now.</p>
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		<title>By: mickysavage</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-177959</link>
		<dc:creator>mickysavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our tax rates &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;are low by international standards&lt;/a&gt;.

It makes you wonder.  Perhaps countries with well educated and healthy citizens and properly funded infrastructure function better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our tax rates <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg" rel="nofollow">are low by international standards</a>.</p>
<p>It makes you wonder.  Perhaps countries with well educated and healthy citizens and properly funded infrastructure function better?</p>
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		<title>By: Bored</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-177947</link>
		<dc:creator>Bored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask who benefits? Yes that same group who also by rare dint of coincidence also own the media (you have to believe these guys though because they really are so disinterested). Let&#039;s face it, when there is a buck to be gained from tax, the facts, the truth and fairness come a very poor second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask who benefits? Yes that same group who also by rare dint of coincidence also own the media (you have to believe these guys though because they really are so disinterested). Let&#8217;s face it, when there is a buck to be gained from tax, the facts, the truth and fairness come a very poor second.</p>
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		<title>By: snoozer</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/just-asking/comment-page-1/#comment-177946</link>
		<dc:creator>snoozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty, don&#039;t you know by now? Premises never get questioned by the media, they are just blindly accepted as truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty, don&#8217;t you know by now? Premises never get questioned by the media, they are just blindly accepted as truth.</p>
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