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	<title>Comments on: Kerre Woodham on three strikes law</title>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/comment-page-1/#comment-221940</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three strikes - kind of tempted to support it IF it also covers white collar crime and fraudsters / corrupt business types etc who directly impact and ruin the lives of dozens or hundreds of people.

Be kind of fun seeing them locked up in the same no hoper prisons as the violent crims, might even pay for itself as a reality TV program</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three strikes &#8211; kind of tempted to support it IF it also covers white collar crime and fraudsters / corrupt business types etc who directly impact and ruin the lives of dozens or hundreds of people.</p>
<p>Be kind of fun seeing them locked up in the same no hoper prisons as the violent crims, might even pay for itself as a reality TV program</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/comment-page-1/#comment-221843</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;She admits that it probably won&#039;t do what it sets out to do. She accepts that it might be unjust. She understands that it will be expensive. Nevertheless she supports it. Why?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the U.S. the recession, which has its roots in inequality and financial rip-offs by and for the rich and privileged, has experts questioning if this huge and sudden rise in inequality could have ties to burgeoning violent crime as the main burden of the recession falls on the less well off.

From the &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/07/AR2009040703979.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&amp;sub=AR&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Washington Post&lt;/a&gt;


Though the effects of the recession have not hit New Zealand as hard as America.

If you want to combat violent crime the message is clear. You must end poverty and inequality.

Lengthening and increasing punishments may soothe the hang em&#039; high talkhate crowd Woodham is a cheerleader for. But simply ratcheting up the level of state sponsored violence in response to crime could even be more destructive by increasing the pressure cooker effect on society caused by the recession.

After all, America, as well as having invented the &#039;Three Strikes&#039; penalty, and as well as having the death penalty, has despite having these laws already in place seen a big rise in meaningless violent of atrocities.

Right wing political parties have a stake in inequality so will choose the latter option over the first, even when it is proven to be inefective. 
This is why, even intelligent right wing (and well off),cheerleaders in the media, will also support it, while at the same time with a callous shrug admitting that it is probably pointless.

What Maori Party MP Hone Harawira &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.maoriparty.org/index.php?pag=nw&amp;id=1056&amp;p=speech-sentencing-and-parole-reform-bill-hone-harawira.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;says&lt;/a&gt; about right wing politicians who support &#039;Three Strikes&#039; could also apply to talk back hosts.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And when politicians talk about a safe society, let me ask this question - what about the next generation who have to grow up with the children of those who have been jailed for life, children who grow up with a deep-seated and very real hatred of society for a life below the margins that they have been forced to lead, a hatred that will be visited back upon society through ever-increasing rates of mayhem and murder.

And that of course, will add weight to the calls for more guns for police, and that will lead to more guns for civilians, and that will lead to bigger guns for criminals ... until the only question we will have left to ask ourselves will be &quot;when did we become the southern-most state of the gun-loving USA?&quot; because that&#039;s the future we give ourselves with this bill.

That is the only future of a society that treats the punishment of its members with the contempt being contemplated by this legislation, that refuses to take the steps of intelligent societies to reduce offending by reducing the causes of that offending rather than jailing offenders for life.

Heck, even our own Ombudsman admits that &quot;there are smarter ways than prison to prevent crime and make criminals accountable ... and that prison is not the most effective or efficient approach to reducing crime.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Stupid right wing knee-jerk &quot;throw away the key&quot; reactions like ACT and National&#039;s Three strike bill will make no impact.

They know it, and sometimes when they are being honest, supporters of the &#039;Three Strikes&#039;, will admit it.

It is self interest that motivates Kerre Woodham. Her choices are, support our politicians to do something she admits is pointless, or alternatively, use her position to take these same politicians to task for overseeing the increase in inequality in our society that results in more crime. Kerre Woodham knows the second alternative would see her risk her privileged job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>She admits that it probably won&#8217;t do what it sets out to do. She accepts that it might be unjust. She understands that it will be expensive. Nevertheless she supports it. Why?</p></blockquote>
<p>In the U.S. the recession, which has its roots in inequality and financial rip-offs by and for the rich and privileged, has experts questioning if this huge and sudden rise in inequality could have ties to burgeoning violent crime as the main burden of the recession falls on the less well off.</p>
<p>From the <a href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/07/AR2009040703979.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&amp;sub=AR' rel="nofollow">Washington Post</a></p>
<p>Though the effects of the recession have not hit New Zealand as hard as America.</p>
<p>If you want to combat violent crime the message is clear. You must end poverty and inequality.</p>
<p>Lengthening and increasing punishments may soothe the hang em&#8217; high talkhate crowd Woodham is a cheerleader for. But simply ratcheting up the level of state sponsored violence in response to crime could even be more destructive by increasing the pressure cooker effect on society caused by the recession.</p>
<p>After all, America, as well as having invented the &#8216;Three Strikes&#8217; penalty, and as well as having the death penalty, has despite having these laws already in place seen a big rise in meaningless violent of atrocities.</p>
<p>Right wing political parties have a stake in inequality so will choose the latter option over the first, even when it is proven to be inefective.<br />
This is why, even intelligent right wing (and well off),cheerleaders in the media, will also support it, while at the same time with a callous shrug admitting that it is probably pointless.</p>
<p>What Maori Party MP Hone Harawira <a href='http://www.maoriparty.org/index.php?pag=nw&amp;id=1056&amp;p=speech-sentencing-and-parole-reform-bill-hone-harawira.html' rel="nofollow">says</a> about right wing politicians who support &#8216;Three Strikes&#8217; could also apply to talk back hosts.</p>
<blockquote><p>And when politicians talk about a safe society, let me ask this question &#8211; what about the next generation who have to grow up with the children of those who have been jailed for life, children who grow up with a deep-seated and very real hatred of society for a life below the margins that they have been forced to lead, a hatred that will be visited back upon society through ever-increasing rates of mayhem and murder.</p>
<p>And that of course, will add weight to the calls for more guns for police, and that will lead to more guns for civilians, and that will lead to bigger guns for criminals &#8230; until the only question we will have left to ask ourselves will be &#8220;when did we become the southern-most state of the gun-loving USA?&#8221; because that&#8217;s the future we give ourselves with this bill.</p>
<p>That is the only future of a society that treats the punishment of its members with the contempt being contemplated by this legislation, that refuses to take the steps of intelligent societies to reduce offending by reducing the causes of that offending rather than jailing offenders for life.</p>
<p>Heck, even our own Ombudsman admits that &#8220;there are smarter ways than prison to prevent crime and make criminals accountable &#8230; and that prison is not the most effective or efficient approach to reducing crime.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Stupid right wing knee-jerk &#8220;throw away the key&#8221; reactions like ACT and National&#8217;s Three strike bill will make no impact.</p>
<p>They know it, and sometimes when they are being honest, supporters of the &#8216;Three Strikes&#8217;, will admit it.</p>
<p>It is self interest that motivates Kerre Woodham. Her choices are, support our politicians to do something she admits is pointless, or alternatively, use her position to take these same politicians to task for overseeing the increase in inequality in our society that results in more crime. Kerre Woodham knows the second alternative would see her risk her privileged job.</p>
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		<title>By: randal</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/comment-page-1/#comment-221414</link>
		<dc:creator>randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the three strikes law is just pandering to the irrational anti intelllectual elements in our society.
something like the tea bag party in the u.s.
it is an admission of defeat that the justice system is not working properly and that all the neoliberal do gooder accretions have only served to clog the aerteries of what was once a world class institution.
now it is jammed up with place servers and supernumerarys looking for wages and exorbitant salaries and deliviering less and less.
na no.
na no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the three strikes law is just pandering to the irrational anti intelllectual elements in our society.<br />
something like the tea bag party in the u.s.<br />
it is an admission of defeat that the justice system is not working properly and that all the neoliberal do gooder accretions have only served to clog the aerteries of what was once a world class institution.<br />
now it is jammed up with place servers and supernumerarys looking for wages and exorbitant salaries and deliviering less and less.<br />
na no.<br />
na no.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 22:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you need to know about the &quot;Three Strikes&quot; legislation is that Simon Power and the Justice Dept wanted nothing to do with it. And so legislation regarding court sentencing was left in the hands of the government department that locks people up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you need to know about the &#8220;Three Strikes&#8221; legislation is that Simon Power and the Justice Dept wanted nothing to do with it. And so legislation regarding court sentencing was left in the hands of the government department that locks people up.</p>
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		<title>By: frustrated</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/comment-page-1/#comment-221224</link>
		<dc:creator>frustrated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 19:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you retarded or is it just that you photograph badly ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you retarded or is it just that you photograph badly ?</p>
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		<title>By: deemac</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/comment-page-1/#comment-221206</link>
		<dc:creator>deemac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 11:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this argument can be summed up as :
something must be done!
THIS is something;
therefore THIS must be done...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this argument can be summed up as :<br />
something must be done!<br />
THIS is something;<br />
therefore THIS must be done&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/comment-page-1/#comment-221200</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 10:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, now I remember - gitmo!

Bye gitmo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, now I remember &#8211; gitmo!</p>
<p>Bye gitmo.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/comment-page-1/#comment-221181</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 10:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You forgot Standadistas on that list  . too polite by far as usual Rex !&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nope, they&#039;re very amenable to my critiques of their posts and their political heroes. As, I must say, is DPF over at Kiwiblog.

Anyway it was the commenters I was referring to frustrated, not the bloggers. And sadly there are many who want to hear only their own outlook reflected back at them. Moreso on the right than the left, though, no matter what Redbaiter may think of the &quot;Gramascian infiltration of education&quot; :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You forgot Standadistas on that list  . too polite by far as usual Rex !</p></blockquote>
<p>Nope, they&#8217;re very amenable to my critiques of their posts and their political heroes. As, I must say, is DPF over at Kiwiblog.</p>
<p>Anyway it was the commenters I was referring to frustrated, not the bloggers. And sadly there are many who want to hear only their own outlook reflected back at them. Moreso on the right than the left, though, no matter what Redbaiter may think of the &#8220;Gramascian infiltration of education&#8221; <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: frustrated</title>
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		<dc:creator>frustrated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 10:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and I forgot............GET FUCKED
&lt;strong&gt;
[lprent: ...and another week. I&#039;d suggest looking at your behaviour. I keep having to notice it. This type of stalking is really pretty idiotic. ]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and I forgot&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;GET FUCKED<br />
<strong><br />
[lprent: ...and another week. I'd suggest looking at your behaviour. I keep having to notice it. This type of stalking is really pretty idiotic. ]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: RedLogix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/comment-page-1/#comment-221164</link>
		<dc:creator>RedLogix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 10:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No slave master worse than an ex-slave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No slave master worse than an ex-slave.</p>
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		<title>By: logie97</title>
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		<dc:creator>logie97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 09:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange how those who have benifited from the state support systems eventually turn on other users once they have climbed a few ladders...
Key/Bennett/Woodham...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange how those who have benifited from the state support systems eventually turn on other users once they have climbed a few ladders&#8230;<br />
Key/Bennett/Woodham&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 09:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s referring to me Lynn (note link in his name). Not sure why though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s referring to me Lynn (note link in his name). Not sure why though.</p>
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		<title>By: frustrated</title>
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		<dc:creator>frustrated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 09:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make music and trouble, especially dub electro lo-fi rock n roll trouble.
&lt;strong&gt;
[lprent: You keep saying that (I thought it was friday again). Whats your issue? 

Ummm looking at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/#comment-221150&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;response from felix&lt;/a&gt; - wasn&#039;t that the offence that I banned you for last time? We will give you a weeks ban for it on the basis that you appear to be capable of learning. If I see it again then I will put a permanent ban in place and &lt;em&gt;fully&lt;/em&gt; enforce it. Also removing the URL on all comments. ]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make music and trouble, especially dub electro lo-fi rock n roll trouble.<br />
<strong><br />
[lprent: You keep saying that (I thought it was friday again). Whats your issue? </p>
<p>Ummm looking at the <a href="http://www.thestandard.org.nz/kerre-woodham-on-three-strikes-law/#comment-221150" rel="nofollow">response from felix</a> - wasn't that the offence that I banned you for last time? We will give you a weeks ban for it on the basis that you appear to be capable of learning. If I see it again then I will put a permanent ban in place and <em>fully</em> enforce it. Also removing the URL on all comments. ]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Sarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 09:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This highlights a problem the left has to overcome when trying to win policy battles on Law and Order.  Yes, we may have evidence on our side.  Yes, our approach may be cheaper and more effective in the long run.  But we have to A). work out how to communicate our message in 10 second sound bites and B). come up with an effective response to &quot;It&#039;s about giving them what they deserve&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This highlights a problem the left has to overcome when trying to win policy battles on Law and Order.  Yes, we may have evidence on our side.  Yes, our approach may be cheaper and more effective in the long run.  But we have to A). work out how to communicate our message in 10 second sound bites and B). come up with an effective response to &#8220;It&#8217;s about giving them what they deserve&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: QoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>QoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 08:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Sanctuary, your comment is about how venal and brainless Woodham has become &lt;i&gt;and also about her weight&lt;/i&gt;.  Telling someone they&#039;re acting like a &quot;humourless feminist&quot; would be your second typical sexist shutdown method of the thread.  

(And please, please try to argue that you weren&#039;t &lt;i&gt;calling&lt;/i&gt; ANM a humourless feminist, you were just &lt;i&gt;warning&lt;/i&gt; about falling into stereotyped behaviour! Because concern trolling would bring up the trifecta.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Sanctuary, your comment is about how venal and brainless Woodham has become <i>and also about her weight</i>.  Telling someone they&#8217;re acting like a &#8220;humourless feminist&#8221; would be your second typical sexist shutdown method of the thread.  </p>
<p>(And please, please try to argue that you weren&#8217;t <i>calling</i> ANM a humourless feminist, you were just <i>warning</i> about falling into stereotyped behaviour! Because concern trolling would bring up the trifecta.)</p>
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