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Key confirms looters’ bonus

Written By: - Date published: 2:01 pm, July 22nd, 2012 - 173 comments
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In front of a room full of rich people, John Key confirmed today that, when they buy our shares in our company they will also get a free hand out from the Government if they hold on to their plunder for 3 years. There’s no legislative authority for National to contract to make such a gift, of course. But, when you’re plundering the State, what do rules matter?

173 comments on “Key confirms looters’ bonus”

  1. Ed. 1

    128 Million dollars out of the mouths of kids, 444 hundred Million on roading consultants, and now this fucking corporate welfare cheque we have to cash.

    I blame (among others) the voters of the left in Epsom. That was our only chance of slowing this down by not electing that little crook Banks. A vote for Goldsmith was a vote to stop assett sales.

    • Draco T Bastard 1.1

      I blame (among others) the voters of the left in Epsom. That was our only chance of slowing this down by not electing that little crook Banks. A vote for Goldsmith was a vote to stop assett sales.

      Actually, that didn’t make any difference. An Act MP or a National one – same policies.

  2. Kotahi Tane Huna 2

    Three years? By which time they won’t even be in government. Labour and the Greens need to announce that they will not pay Key’s bribes, since the stolen property will be returned to its rightful owners with no compensation – I would be prepared to grudgingly accept that they be paid out the at the original sale price (not adjusted for inflation) or current market value, whichever is the lower.

    Caveat emptor. The buyers are lucky I’m not the government, or they’d find themselves answering for their betrayal of the country, never mind their avarice.

    • Akldnut 2.1

      Totally agree KTH

      If I were Labour boss I would announce that all shares sold under this pilfering policy would be taken back at the price paid for and there would be no freebies.

      • Colonial Viper 2.1.1

        all shares sold under this pilfering policy would be taken back at the price paid for and there would be no freebies.

        Actually you want to drive the price of the shares down first, before reacquiring them at market value.

        • Nate 2.1.1.1

          I agree on this one. Announce that when Labour/Greens gets in there will be no payout, along with saying shares will be bought back at either the sale price or current market value, whichever is the LOWER.

          • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1.1

            Prospective buyers can’t say they weren’t warned well in advance.

          • Rodel 2.1.1.1.2

            Yep. when will Labour show it’s grit? I and I’m sure many others are waiting….waiting David.

            • David H 2.1.1.1.2.1

              David is more like a Dianne, no Balls. I am so disappointed over this weekend. All this robbery shit from the NACTS. You almost expect. But this silent shit from Labour is getting monotonous..

      • Dr Terry 2.1.2

        Let’s wait for Labour’s response to this wickedness (hoping there will be one). I have little doubt that the Greens will have something to say (that is, something worth listening to).

        • Carol 2.1.2.1

          Labour has responded as seen on TV3 news tonight – a brief response was shown:

          http://www.3news.co.nz/National-unfazed-by-asset-sale-protests/tabid/1607/articleID/262193/Default.aspx

          Labour says it’s a hoax.

          “John Key has turned this into a Ponzi scheme,” says Labour MP Clayton Cosgrove. “We now know that all the people that can’t afford to buy shares will have to pay for the bonus shares for all the people who can afford to get a slice of the action.”

          • Dr Terry 2.1.2.1.1

            Thanks Carol, I did not see Tv 3 coverage tonight. I guess this response is not too bad for starters.

          • QoT 2.1.2.1.2

            “Ponzi scheme” = good line.

            • seeker 2.1.2.1.2.1

              I thought tvnz covered responses more comprehensively than Duncan on tv3 tonight:

              “Norman said there was no detail on how much the loyalty scheme would cost while Labour Party’s State Owned Enterprises spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove called the bonus a “ponzi” scheme that punishes tax payers.

              “The loyalty scheme is simply an admission of defeat by the Government,” Cosgrove said.

              “If these shares were so popular and going to be retained and not sold off to foreign interests, why would you need a loyalty scheme?” ”

              http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/asset-bonus-scheme-ploy-win-over-public-greens-4979265

              • felix

                That’s a good question from Cosgrove.

                The other one that needs asking is this: If all that stands between NZ ownership and foreign ownership is the promise of a freebie in three years, then what happens next?

                Do we then have to promise a cash bonus every three years after that?

                If not, why not? Either the National govt cares about what happens to the shares in three years or it doesn’t.

                If it does care, it needs to make plans to ensure ongoing loyalty beyond three years. And if it doesn’t, it needs to come clean and stop throwing our money away on cynical loyalty schemes altogether.

    • Lanthanide 2.2

      It seems likely that they’ll be setting aside a portion of the shares for this award, perhaps 5% and maybe as much as 10%. So they’ll be selling 40-45% up-front. When it comes time to give the awarded shares, the government can instead just keep them.

      • Cnut 2.2.1

        Any such ‘loyalty bonus’ will need to be set out in the Prospectus and thereby becomes contractual – any future reneging on it would render the issuers liable for misrepresentation amounting to fraud. The Prospectus will also have to set out Mighty River’s view of its continued access to water-flow for its turbines and, as an obviously central matter to its business, any fudging or ‘material misrepresentation’ there would become actionable,entitling share-holders to compensation.

        Labour could ‘renationalise’ Mighty River power at any time, but if it did so at anything less than the bona fide market price no-one would invest in New Zealand ever again. No doubt some here would welcome that but it didn’t work out too well for Stalinist Russia, Rhodesia, the Central African Republic and similar international pariahs where Goverments overrode private rights.

        But then again, Labour doesn’t need to renationalise it. Dividends are declared by the Board and the Board of Mighty River will be controlled by the Crown’s 51% holding. Hence Labour in Government could direct Mighty River to supply cheap power to the peasants, or build a dozen Windfarms – including off-shore ones where they belong – thus wiping out the profits and dividends for a good many years and rendering shares worthless.

        Three years, of course, is not really a long time except in the minds of short-term traders like Key. I’m still sitting on all the shares I acquired on the Contact Energy float in 1999.

        • Lanthanide 2.2.1.1

          “Any such ‘loyalty bonus’ will need to be set out in the Prospectus and thereby becomes contractual”

          Why?

          If the government says there will be a loyalty bonus for holding the shares, and sells only 40% of the total number (keeping 9% in reserve for the bonus), why would it need to be in the prospectus?

    • higherstandard 2.3

      Feck and you accuse me of having a grab bag full of prejudices.

      What a load of bombastic drivel.

      • Kotahi Tane Huna 2.3.1

        Just an extreme position deliberately adopted to make the eventual compromise seem more palatable – like proposing to sterilise the unemployed when all you really intend to do is make them homeless.

        • higherstandard 2.3.1.1

          That’s no good, who has proposed to sterilise the unemployed or make them homeless

          • Kotahi Tane Huna 2.3.1.1.1

            That was an example to illustrate the political tactic, HS – didn’t you pick up on that?

  3. Dv 3

    MayBe that is why three years so the share holder will vote nats

  4. UpandComer 4

    Did you notice that it’s for New Zealanders only? What exactly do you people want? interest on 6.5 billion paid to wealthy Chinese and Arab corporate hedge funds overseas, or to kiwi bank accounts?

    Note that the minimum share parcel is only one thousand dollars. Every kiwi should be able to buy these shares. If you’ve gone and had 4 kids on a low wage and didn’t do your homework/learn a good trade etc, that’s your problem.

    Do you know what it is when a government confiscates the property of good faith purchaser’s for value without accounting for inflation and market gains? It’s called class action lawsuits and breaches of the human rights act. Note that the Labour party will not say they will buy the shares back, because they know the alternative of borrowing is actually worse and that no government can confiscate property in that fashion. Cheers and happy wolf whistling.

    • Kotahi Tane Huna 4.1

      lol Parliament is sovereign – if it decides to repossess our property without compensation it can write exemptions from all your whining into the bill. I’m proposing this as a punitive measure: I am sick of the National Party betraying New Zealand: they need to be taught a lesson. Screw your investor confidence.

    • Lanthanide 4.2

      “because they know the alternative of borrowing is actually worse”

      You’re probably getting yourself a bit muddled, here. Even National (that is, Bill English) has admitted that by 2016 our accounts will be in a worse position as a result of selling the assets because of the loss of the dividend stream will outweigh any up-front money they received for selling the assets.

      Every year after 2016 we’ll be further and further into the red thanks to selling these assets.

      • higherstandard 4.2.1

        Um what ?

        Are you suggesting the SOEs in which shares are being offered are returning around 30% par annum ?

        • Lanthanide 4.2.1.1

          I’m just saying what Bill English admitted. Here’s the news story: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6429541/Govt-says-asset-sales-will-cut-debt

          They assume a price of $6 billion – the midpoint in previous estimates of a $5 billion to $7 billion sale price – and a corresponding drop in finance costs of about $266 million by 2016.

          But the trade-off is the loss of an estimated $200 million in dividends by 2016 and the loss of $360 million in forecast foregone profits in the same year.

          Emphasis mine. A saving of $266m in interest costs, but a loss of $360m in profit is a net loss of $94m.

          It looks like I may have overstated my case in my comment though, which is probably what you’re bringing up, in that I implied that by 2016 we’ll be in a negative hole from the asset sales, when actually we’ll just be at the start of the downwards slope (that will eventually become negative) compared to the case where we’d kept the assets.

        • Zetetic 4.2.1.2

          the government borrowing rate is 3.5%. if the return on these assets is greater than that, then there’s no fiscal benefit from selling them (not forgetting all the other value gained from owning them). The budget numbers show a return of 6.5%

          so, selling these assets would cost the govt 3% a year.

    • Descendant Of Smith 4.3

      “Note that the minimum share parcel is only one thousand dollars. Every kiwi should be able to buy these shares.”

      You’re such a tosser. Most people don’t have this type of money spare and sure we only need tradesman – we don’t need cleaners, shop assistants, forestry workers, apple pickers, etc.

      And no-one should have kids til they are financially secure – what a load of tosh and what a denial of reality.

      And lets not forget you shouldn’t be born with a disability either or for that mind be a female cause you earn less and are even less likely to have savings.

      If the rightwing mantra that everyone can start from nothing and do it all themselves then we can make that happen by having a tax rate of 100% for death duties. I’m sure you’d support that wouldn’t you.

    • Zetetic 4.4

      the impact on the current account deficit starts off about neutral.

      The reduced overseas borrowing by the govt, which gets about 50% if its borrowing from offshore, would be offset by the loss from 30% of the shares sold (government projection) going offshore.

      In the long-run, it’s a very negative impact on the current account balance.

      No government is going to nationalise the shares, they fear the markets too much. But your fantasies of legal recourse are completely wrong.

    • xtasy 4.5

      “Every kiwi should be able to buy these shares. If you’ve gone and had 4 kids on a low wage and didn’t do your homework/learn a good trade etc, that’s your problem”

      Ha, what a stupid comment!

      I know very many NZers who would never be able to have a thousand dollar spare to buy shares with. And a fair few are also singles, depending on lowly paid income, benefits and so, simply struggling to survive on their meagre incomes and being further away than ever to even own their own homes (see property prices and rents in Auckland).

      These asset sales are a bit like selling your car to be able to afford a bicycle. Or to sell your home to buy a new set of furniture. Loss of revenue, loss of strategic assets and income and wealth transfer from the bottom to the top, now even subsidised by the bottom lot of the population.

      That is completely dumb and also seriously immoral!

    • Akldnut 4.6

      UpandComer you’re just thowing around National soundbites
      1. “Every kiwi should be able to buy these shares.”
      2. “If you’ve gone and had 4 kids on a low wage and didn’t do your homework/learn a good trade etc, that’s your problem.”

      1. You’re an idiot.
      2. You’re a massive fucking idiot.

  5. UpandComer 5

    Parliament can do that, but you might want to consider what the fall-out might be, say from Iwi groups who bought considerable share packages, or from kiwisaver clients whose funds have bought massively into the scheme.

    I’m certain that some of NZ’s excellent legal practitioners can find at least a case under the Bill of Right’s Act for instance against compensation without deference to market gains and inflation. Parliament will probably still win, but it would be a tremendous spectacle to watch a majority confiscate personal property from so many people.

    What’s so funny about this wolf whistling is that Kiwisaver and the Super-fund will be hands down the biggest purchaser’s of shares. So anyone with super or kiwisaver will be indirectly owning these shares anyway.

    Good luck with your proposition lol.

    • Kotahi Tane Huna 5.1

      lol, perhaps you have forgotten that parliament can exempt any bill from BoR scrutiny – normally this provision is used to attack the weak and dispossessed, but I think we should use it against avaricious Quislings instead.

      The Labour Party would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into support for my position – I’m sure they’ll come up with some reasonable (to me) compromise.

    • Colonial Viper 5.2

      Parliament can do that, but you might want to consider what the fall-out might be, say from Iwi groups who bought considerable share packages, or from kiwisaver clients whose funds have bought massively into the scheme.

      If those groups bought the shares knowing full well the risk, why should they receive any compensation?

      Why should the government make investing in these state assets risk free?

      • UpandComer 5.2.1

        It’s not risk-free.

        I am just focusing on Kotahi’s point regarding only compensating people at the final float initiation price. A buy-back by the government will need to include market gains in the share-price and inflation.

        Look to Christchurch as an example. The govt granted itself emergency powers, and generously stepped in where insurance companies such as AMI failed due to bad practice.

        The govt could have drawn a line anywhere. It chose to compensate on the basis of the peak of the CHCH housing market before the earthquake. It reasonably could not compensate for development past that point. However, while the compensation price was arbitrary it didn’t leave room for reasonable practical or legal opposition.

        Note that in CHCH the govt was compensating housing, the prices of which are quite difficult to determine and determinations of which can reasonably vary.

        Share prices are different. They are simply set by the NZX and are certain and easily understandable, and their path can be tracked easily. If Labour does not account for price gains and inflation, this will leave reasonable room for practical and legal opposition to the re-purchase. Practical as it will be patently unfair, and legal as the move will be unprecedented. David Parker knows this.

        The cost of the re-purchase will be much more then the initial cost of the share float. The practical costs will outweigh the legal of course. Kotahi did learn one thing at high school re parliamentary sovereignty. If not, there will be heavy political costs to the move. This isn’t a case of disaster relief. It’s a case of government confiscation of property bought for fair value. It will be veeeeery interesting to see what one of the Davids says at the end of this week. Very interesting.

        • Kotahi Tane Huna 5.2.1.1

          Upandcomer do you think I don’t understand all that? I am proposing that NZ steps outside the box here, takes a leaf out of Argentina’s book, and simply acts punitively against what is to most of us, a deliberate attack on the country.

          The Hollow Men made it quite clear – they are acting against the country’s interests and they know it. So I am proposing a scorched earth policy in response – well, except that the property and associated revenue streams will be back where they belong, and none of the people who lose out will suffer undue hardship.

          • UpandComer 5.2.1.1.1

            Kotahi I invite you to view the economic history of Argentina since world war I and decide whether or not what you propose is a good idea.

            • xtasy 5.2.1.1.1.1

              Up and Down Comer and Goer:

              Having watched the news on TV3 tonight, even your beloved Prime Minister did concede that naturally “not all Kiwis” will be able to afford the shares in the power enterprises to be sold!

              So that fixes for sure your earlier ridiculous comment that all NZers could afford the minimum $ 1000 shares!

            • Kotahi Tane Huna 5.2.1.1.1.2

              UpandComer now you come to mention it

    • joe90 5.3

      PG’s sock puppet?.

  6. higherstandard 6

    Quisling ?

    Have you been indoctrinated at some kind of lecture series by Penny Bright over the last couple of days ?

    • Kotahi Tane Huna 6.1

      No, I’m serious: this policy will harm the country, and the government knows it. It will benefit none but the government’s overseas clients. The National Party, in its current “Hollow Men” nadir, acts as a fifth column.

  7. captain hook 7

    so after three years the company will get privatised and the shareholders wiill be made to sell out by the articles but then they get a bonus eh.
    nice work if you can get it.

  8. UpandComer 8

    @ Lathanide – I do note there is a 94 million dollar revenue loss noted by NBR, I couldn’t find it on BERL or other business groups. The shortfall will be covered by tightening tax loopholes. Ultimately notwithstanding the operating loss to the government, the gains to investors in my opinion outweigh that consideration. Forecasts show NZ assets growing, not decreasing in the next 5 years. I also think that notwithstanding the loss in revenue, avoiding 300 million dollars plus interest from the principal that must otherwise be borrowed is important and needs to be weighed against that 94million dollars. That 5% plus interest is perpetual unless the government can pay down the principal without further borrowing – which by all projections it cannot do – and please note Labour couldn’t do it right now either. They’d have to borrow for borrowing unless they raised everyones taxes again.

    But I respect your posts more then Kotahi Tane Huna who sounds like a bit of a drongo, no disrespect lol.

    • Lanthanide 8.1

      “The shortfall will be covered by tightening tax loopholes”

      Or you could keep the assets, AND tighten tax loopholes and be $94m better off.

      “That 5% plus interest is perpetual unless the government can pay down the principal without further borrowing – which by all projections it cannot do – and please note Labour couldn’t do it right now either. ”

      Last time we had a government paying off principal, we had a nice little opposition that howled to the moon about not getting tax cuts and how horrible it was to be paying back debt etc.

      As for projections of paying back debt, yes, I agree, with current fiscal settings it’s only ever going to go up. There’s some pretty easy ways to fix that, though:
      1. Reverse the tax cuts we couldn’t ever afford (even Labour’s tax cuts they rolled out in 2008 weren’t really affordable)
      2. Put up the age of eligibility of superannuation
      3. Ditch ridiculous policies like Roads of Notional Significance and actually invest in jobs in this country instead of leaving it all up to “the market”

      • UpandComer 8.1.1

        What do you propose for investing in jobs? I’m quite interested.

        I agree with the age of superannuation being put up. But, thanks to Winston, that can’t happen until it really needs to. John shouldn’t have made that promise but I give him kudos for sticking to it, and there is (a very little) room there.

        I disagree with roads of national significance. People are still going to drive for the next 20 years, and road have been neglected.

        I am still for the asset sales. lol.

        • Lanthanide 8.1.1.1

          “What do you propose for investing in jobs? I’m quite interested.”

          The Greens have a lot of proposals to directly create jobs. I haven’t really looked at into them, I don’t know how realistic or sustained they are, but at least they have *attempted* to create some policy in that area, unlike National.

          “But, thanks to Winston, that can’t happen until it really needs to. ”

          Last I checked, Winston Peters wasn’t in government.

          “People are still going to drive for the next 20 years, and road have been neglected.”

          Yes, I agree people are “still going to drive for the next 20 years”, but the outlook is for declining traffic volumes, not increasing. If you believe that “road [sic] have been neglected” then I presume you would be more interested in upgrading and improving the safety of many many existing roads across the country, as opposed to building 5-10 big expensive highways that don’t even meet their cost:benefit ratio justifications now, and that’s with the assumption of improving traffic volumes which aren’t going to eventuate.

          “I am still for the asset sales. lol.”

          I see I’m talking to a teenager.

          • UpandComer 8.1.1.1.1

            Well if you’re enamored of cost-benefit ratios, I invite you to look at the cost benefit ratios for all forms of public transport, and apply them with the same logic you apply to roads. You might notice they are worse, across the board, without exception.

            Actually, roading volume as it is, ‘now’, is too much for the existing roads those 5-10 big expensive highways are going to replace. That is why they are being built in the first place.

            Traffic volumes are too high ‘now’. Even minor, conservative increases in traffic volume, certain along those routes, will justify those roading builds.

            Are you also against broadband?

            No Winston is not, but he will be in the next govt and has said flatly that no increase in super will be tolerated by NZ First. You are happy to raise super on the poor and vulnerable old people with fixed incomes?

            I think you should take a closer look at the Greens job creation proposals. It boils down to Russell Norman ‘picking winners’ in various Green enterprises. I am somewhat doubtful as to his efficacy in this regard.

            You can make up your own mind as to whether I am a teenager or not.

            • Lanthanide 8.1.1.1.1.1

              “Well if you’re enamored of cost-benefit ratios, I invite you to look at the cost benefit ratios for all forms of public transport, and apply them with the same logic you apply to roads. You might notice they are worse, across the board, without exception.”

              Sure, provide me some links to back up your claim and I’ll have a look.

              “Traffic volumes are too high ‘now’. Even minor, conservative increases in traffic volume, certain along those routes, will justify those roading builds.”

              Yes, it would be nice if we had roads with bigger capacities, that would be good. The problem is that bigger capacity roads cost money. In these cases, a lot of money. So much money that the cost doesn’t justify the benefit, therefore the specified roads shouldn’t be built.

              “Are you also against broadband?”

              The ultra-fast broadband being rolled out to residential areas, when the only business case the government can come up with is “watch TV and movies over your internet connection!”? Broadband speeds in the cities are already good enough for businesses purposes. What we need is more and cheaper international bandwidth, which the government’s broadband policy does precisely dick to help with, and broadband rolled out to rural areas and schools which presently don’t have access to broadband or it is very expensive. Now there is a government spear-headed scheme for this underway already, but I’d prefer to see that the residential/urban one be scrapped entirely, more money put into the rural and schools one and the rest of the money used for something more important.

              “No Winston is not, but he will be in the next govt and has said flatly that no increase in super will be tolerated by NZ First.”

              Oh, so you’ve got the 2014 election results? Great, maybe you should share them with us, or alternatively go make a killing on ipredict.

              “You are happy to raise super on the poor and vulnerable old people with fixed incomes?””

              I presume you mean “raise super entitlement age”. Labour’s plan would raise the age of entitlement by 2 months every year once it started kicking in. That wasn’t going to start happening for 10 years, plenty of time for people alive today to make plans for this. Anyone who is already receiving super would not be affected.

              “I think you should take a closer look at the Greens job creation proposals. It boils down to Russell Norman ‘picking winners’ in various Green enterprises. I am somewhat doubtful as to his efficacy in this regard.”

              I already said I hadn’t looked at them. What I said is at least they’d come up with something, unlike this government. It seems you agree with that statement.

              “You can make up your own mind as to whether I am a teenager or not.”

              Yes, and I did.

              • Colonial Viper

                “You can make up your own mind as to whether I am a teenager or not.”

                Yes, and I did.

                Yeah I thought it was obvious, too.

              • UpandComer

                We need new transport options, and as I say, roads are better then the others – like Russell Norman, maybe you should look for the studies on this. I actually notwithstanding my many comments on here today, don’t care to spend a long time giving you something you will disregard anyway.

                Maybe you should talk to some businesses regarding broadband speeds and just how excellent they are in NZ. We need bandwith, but bandwith is a tad unnecessary when you don’t have any speed. It can be acquired once you have the infrastructure to justify it.

                Rurals/schools as you say are getting their piece of the action. Again, I wonder at the opinion that broadband is just fine in cities.

                I don’t have the election results, but I’m willing to make a forecast. You should be hoping that I am correct.

                If super was such a pressing problem, Labour could have dealt with it say in 2007, when it knew what it’s forecasts for debt were, but it didn’t do it. Why wait ten years if it’s such a swell policy, why not implement it right now.

                If you care to listen to JK’s post budget speech, he lays out about 17 pro-job initiatives this government is pursuing. But hey, you don’t like the vibe of them even though they all are actually job creating, so lets see if Russell can do what no-one else can do, and pick heaps of winners.

                It will be funny when I come back tomorrow very briefly for the last time and find all of my comments deleted.

                • Colonial Viper

                  We need bandwith, but bandwith is a tad unnecessary when you don’t have any speed.

                  *Facepalm*

                  It will be funny when I come back tomorrow very briefly for the last time and find all of my comments deleted.

                  You’ve got a suicide by cop mentality.

                • Lanthanide

                  “I actually notwithstanding my many comments on here today, don’t care to spend a long time giving you something you will disregard anyway.”

                  I would look at the evidence if you presented it. I can only assume by your refusal to do so that the evidence was made up. Certainly this is the first time I have heard from anyone that “public transport” is a worse cost:benefit ratio than many of these roads that have ratios below one. The thing with public transport is generally it is pretty cheap, and quite flexible, so the benefit doesn’t need to be huge in order to get a good return.

                  “Maybe you should talk to some businesses regarding broadband speeds and just how excellent they are in NZ. We need bandwith, but bandwith is a tad unnecessary when you don’t have any speed. It can be acquired once you have the infrastructure to justify it.”

                  Actually I work in telecommunications, and my uncle has worked for Telecom, Vodafone, and others, installing cell phone towers and radio transmitters. So I know quite a bit about this stuff :)

                  “Rurals/schools as you say are getting their piece of the action. Again, I wonder at the opinion that broadband is just fine in cities.”

                  I didn’t say “broadband is just fine in the cities”, what I said is that there is no need for the massive government-backed initiative to roll out something whose primary business case is “watch movies over the internet” – because obviously watching movies over broadcast TV is somehow bad? Also people can already watch movies over the internet…

                  “If super was such a pressing problem, Labour could have dealt with it say in 2007, when it knew what it’s forecasts for debt were, but it didn’t do it. Why wait ten years if it’s such a swell policy, why not implement it right now.”

                  You can use that argument for anything the opposition proposes, so it’s not really an argument at all.

                  “It will be funny when I come back tomorrow very briefly for the last time and find all of my comments deleted.”

                  No, your comments are going to stand as a testament to your intellect for years.

            • xtasy 8.1.1.1.1.2

              How do you work out the cost benefit ratios for public transport when compared with individual motor vehicle transport?

              Well, maybe include ALL true costs of motor vehicle transport, which includes the costs of building and maintaining roads, the costs of the hardware itself, the cost of the fuel burned per passenger, the cost of CO2 and other emissions, resulting in payments NZ has to make as a consequence of having signed the Kyoto protocol.

              Once all the costs have been included, I am sure that public transport investment will be smarter and more advantageous over the longer term. That will especially be so once fossil fuel costs will increase due to more scarcity.

              Producing fuel out of coal or even organic plants is very costly and certainly now not an economic option. The latter also leads to land used for this, and not for growing equally needed food.

    • Dr Terry 8.2

      You have the effrontery to speak of “forecasts” as something to be treated as accurate, or literal truth. Have you bothered to look closely at the nature of forecasts by Treasury in this country? Rationalise that one, as no doubt you will.

      .

  9. lefty 9

    The idea that dispossessing the greedy infringes on human rights is laughable.

    I think selling shares at the highest possible price then diverting rivers around the power stations so they have no water would be a very smart move and teach the capitalist bastards a lesson they would never forget.

    • UpandComer 9.1

      It would be funny, as everybody had no power and ….

      What is with this idea that people who buy these shares are greedy? people have to live in the real world, and prior to this it’s been very difficult to invest in NZ in a sustainable way. Term deposits give tiny gains. Finance companies were a sham, which people invested in often on professional advice. The NZX is moribund. People who saved their whole lives were wiped out by finance companies, people with average wage jobs who lived frugally and paid their taxes. They weren’t/aren’t greedy. Having somewhere safe to invest is a good thing.

      You need to leave NZ and go sit under a tent in Occupy Wall Street. At least those guys are targeting people and policies in the US that deserve it.

      • Kotahi Tane Huna 9.1.1

        “The NZX is moribund.”

        Fucking cry baby. Is this private company too big to fail?

        The rest of your concerns can be addressed with a capital gains tax.

        “Somewhere safe to invest”? The virtue of investment is that it involves risk. Anything else is just corporate welfare – sorry, but the current account is in deficit – you’ll have to look in someone else’s wallet.

        • UpandComer 9.1.1.1

          What does your second line even mean?

          A capital gains tax in my opinion will wipe out small investors. You are taxed on your wages. Then you are taxed on your savings. Now you say you will be taxed on your investments. Great. At least think about the tax and how you means test-it, set thresholds. Make it ‘progressive’ yes?

          Hey Kotahi, these power companies involve ‘risk’. If the rain doesn’t fall… no power, no profits. It used to happen a lot. They are risky assets, like any other. Corporate welfare is another term that you throw around but don’t actually understand.

          Yes the current account is in deficit, apart from that I don’t understand your final sentence?

          • Kotahi Tane Huna 9.1.1.1.1

            My second line? The NZX is a private company. If it can’t succeed without looting the public purse it deserves to close.

            Rainfall in the catchment areas is forecast to increase with the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, but yes, I expect unpredictable weather will have a part to play, and the electricity generation network will be far more robust if it remains 100% in public hands

            You are welcome to your opinion on CGT, Chicken Little. I note Australia has one, among other countries.

            My last sentence is simple – I think there are better things to spend our limited funds on than propping up “moribund” private companies.

            • UpandComer 9.1.1.1.1.1

              The NZX is a sharemarket, not a private company. A private company is a company that hasn’t been publically listed, so something like facebook before it was floated.

              Where do you get that prediction? As I understand it climate change (Which I accept by the way) makes weather more unpredictable as opposed to less. I can remember when the Southern Lakes ran dry and there was a national TV campaign to conserve power.

              I know Australia has one, as do other countries. So you accept that a capital gains tax should be progressive? I’d hope so given your opinions.

              Again no one is propping up a private company. What is happening is that the NZX will start to become viable again. There are good companies there. But there have been very few public floats of any significance for a long time, and it is unlikely to happen given the amount of capital in NZ that is tied up in the government. Fonterra will be great when that happens, but it will be pricey.

              I would think you would appreciate government intervention? The government has hectares of capital that just sits here in NZ doing nothing. We own billions and billions of capital, why not make it more productive?

                • UpandComer

                  It’s both.

                  • Akldnut

                    “The NZX is a sharemarket, not a private company. A private company is a company that hasn’t been publically listed, so something like facebook before it was floated. ”

                    You’re playing with semantics mate.
                    A public company to the layman like myself and I’m guessing 99% of the population isn’t a publicly listed company.
                    It’s an institution which is owned by the govt ergo the public through represention. ie “Fucking power companies that we already own”

                    Private comapanies don’t belong to the govt ie. NZX which generates an income that dosn’t go into the public purse.

                    Not that hard to figure out what KTH was talking about.

              • Kotahi Tane Huna

                Upandcomer, have you ever heard of a quaint little notion called “checking your facts”? I know it’s of no consequence in the right wing echo chamber but here in the real world look what just happened!

                • Colonial Viper

                  UpandComer is a teenager (or has the mental age of one) with no frakking idea of what he is spouting.

                • BillODrees

                  Don’t argue with I*+¥ts, onlookers might not be able to tell the differance. 

                • UpandComer

                  I check all my facts Kotahi Tane Huna, good luck with your argentina project. Sounds great.

                  • Kotahi Tane Huna

                    I said take a leaf, so you took the whole tree, never mind the book. The recent history of Iceland is also instructive. No doubt you will interpret this as a call for more volcanic eruptions.

                    Have fun in the echo chamber.

              • Colonial Viper

                We own billions and billions of capital, why not make it more productive?

                National’s perspective:

                the government owns billions and billions of capital. How can we transfer it to our mates asap.

                • UpandComer

                  Nat’s perspective

                  How can we use it better since the govt owns so much of it in New Zealand rather then just sitting there being unproductive.

                  Labour’s perspective.

                  Great, lets pretend that we think the govt should own everything even though we invented the public private partnership concept.

                  Let’s just let it sit in crappy housing and the likes that we don’t really care about anyway, because we don’t understand it and don’t really care about things like productivity because the govt should just sit on it whilst hiring armies of people to fret about it, because that’s job creation.

                  • Akldnut

                    “whilst hiring armies of people to fret about it, because that’s job creation”.

                    You’re hilarious mate, thats exactly what Nationals been doing with consultants trying to sell our shit………… hold on Max??? is that you Max?

              • Pascal's bookie

                NZX is a listed co UpandComer, and the point remains.

                If the NZX isn’t attracting co’s to list, then that is the NZXs problem. In theory the point of a sharemarket is to allocate capital to where it is best used. Ideally, with an IPO what is happenning is that money is being flooded into a good looking company on the up.

                That is nothing like what is happenning here. The co’s are not being capitalised in these floats. The money going into these floats is being taken out of the private sector in that respect as the companies are partially put into it. The money invested in these co’s cannot be invested in other co’s. That money comes from somewhere. It would otherwise be used to pay down private sector debt (which is a far bigger problem that public in NZ), or would be invested somewhere else.

                Saying that the MOMs are the best place for that money is in many ways an odd argument for right wingers to be making. It’s arguing that not only can the private sector not come with any co’s worth investing in, it’s saying that the govt could find better things to do with that capital than the private sector, so it should ‘free up’ some of the private sector capital in return for shares in the SOEs. The givt frames it as being the opposite, but look who will be getting the money to something new with here.

                There is an argument that getting more money invetsed in the NZX will by itself be a good thing. But that only works if it is liquid. Ooops, loyalty shares kind of mess with that. All the money eligible for loyalty shares will be locked in unless something spectacular shows up.

                Outside of that, I’m not convinced this will attract new money to the market over the medium term. I’ve not seen anyone present an argument that explains why institutional investors will re-weight their portfolios towards NZ energy stocks.

                And along side that we’re going to have a bunch of big co’s on the NZX with an implicit govt backing, competing for investors with co’s that don’t. that doesn’t sound healthy for the market to me. particulalry given that aside from AirNZ, (which is a special case given how the govt came by its holding) all of these MOMs will be directly competeing with other NZX stocks in the same market sector.

                • UpandComer

                  It’s both.

                  And it’s NZ’s problem since it’s our main market.

                  In theory a share-market is there to allocate capital where people wish to allocate it.

                  Sure that money could be invested in other places, and it was, i.e. South Canterbury Finance, and look what happened. That whole period showed the willingness of people to invest as well as save. You will note that people are paying down debt at the moment rather then borrowing – Just like what the government should be looking to do.

                  I understand what you are saying where this isn’t strict capitalisation of those companies, but it’s just one degree separated into what the capital raised will build elsewhere.

                  I think it’s more the government realising that rather then paying interest payments to Chinese corporates, we can pay dividends to NZ’ers, and avoid having to pay 5 plus % interest on 6 billion dollars, whilst retaining control and avoiding some pitfalls of for instance, Labour’s privatization.

                  Institutional investor interest can be explained by looking at the performance of kiwisaver accounts at the moment. They aren’t doing very well.

                  As to your last point, well the government was indirectly backing the muppets in the finance companies who lost billions of dollars under Labour’s Deposit Guarantee Scheme. This would be another form of less direct backing, but without the same extent of risk.

                  In this case you will indeed have some govt involvement in listed companies. But as Labour showed, that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. These companies will be competing with the others on the NZX as you say. However, given that large investors will be diversifying and small investors haven’t been investing in those companies anyway, I don’t see a sudden withdrawal of capital from everywhere else into these MOMs.

                  Thanks for your considered comments. This is a contrast with adults who say ‘you’re a teenager’ to other adults they don’t agree with. Similarly other adults who like to think Argentina is a wonderful model of a successful country, and NZ should be an autarkey, might reflect on your excellent post.

                  • xtasy

                    “As to your last point, well the government was indirectly backing the muppets in the finance companies who lost billions of dollars under Labour’s Deposit Guarantee Scheme.”

                    The very scheme happily taken over by National AND exgtended to more finance companies, not just banks!

                    Also I suggest to inform yourself a bit about legal aspects of companies, stock exchanges, commercial law and the likes. You are muddling things up a bit here.

                    “Institutional investor interest can be explained by looking at the performance of kiwisaver accounts at the moment. They aren’t doing very well.”

                    Guess why they are not doing that well at present? Because of lower returns and losses as the result of the global financial crisis, the socialisation of debts, of bailouts of “too large to fail” banks and thus recessions in Europe and other places, affecting the rest of the global economy.

                    And John Key was a “merchant banker” and “currency trader”, the very profession that contributed immensely to the shocking state of affairs the economies of so many countries are in.

      • muzza 9.1.2

        Why don’t people have anywhere safe to invest?

        Occupy Wall St, yeah, nah!

  10. captain hook 10

    Thats not the point and you should know it.
    the capitalists in New Zealand like to trumpet all sorts of bilge about rugged individualism, taking risks and the inefficeincy of government but ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS LOOT THE STATES assets for bargain basement prices.
    is that plain enough for you?

    • UpandComer 10.1

      Not really. Like any investor they are seeking alpha gains. The collapse of finance companies shows people who can’t invest themselves can’t trust those companies. Term deposits are fine if you want to make $500 over 12 months. People want to be able to safely invest in NZ assets in a sustainable way. You can do that with other assets sure, but most people don’t have seem to have the expertise.

      • Descendant Of Smith 10.1.1

        Finance companies got screwed by the banks and by greed same as they did in 87.

        Having been through 87 I said to people that another bust was coming the moment banks started loosening their lending criteria to once again lend more than 70% and up to 100% the value of a house.

        The fiance companies while higher risk have some stability by lending to borrowers with good income who don’t have enough for a 30% deposit.

        Once the banks start moving into this area those stable borrowers depart for the lower interest and leaves the finance companies with ever riskier lending.

        It always been a bad sign when banks stop being conservative in their lending.

        In my view it would be sensible to take the heat out of the housing bubbles by restricting the bank to 70% or GV which ever is the lowest.

        Sure there’s more to it than that but if you ever want a good indication when to get out that’s an obvious one.

        • UpandComer 10.1.1.1

          I agree, and that was one of the foundations of the sub-prime mortgage crisis in America as the price discrimination of the banks slowly weeded out the stable and liquid mortgage clients. When you look at the assumptions Citibank, Fannie and Freddie made to justify that lending, it makes you angry.

          Our banks are relatively sound. If I was Obama however I would be using my political capital to take a shovel to the banks over there and reinstate Dodd-Franks, or alternatively I would change the fractional banking ratios to favour deposits more. Haha people here don’t even know what right wing means. We are all in NZ firmly on the Left wing of the Kakapo.

          What will be interesting is that finance companies now will have the Mighty River Power option. That, along with the presence of the Financial Markets Authority may restore some investor confidence.

          • Colonial Viper 10.1.1.1.1

            Not really. Like any investor they are seeking alpha gains.

            And because they are such shit business people and have no idea about being entrepreneurs, instead of starting up their own businesses and generating employment, they have to raid the public balance sheet.

      • Kotahi Tane Huna 10.1.2

        What’s the advice that I always hear? Only invest in that which you understand? Something like that anyway.

        “Safely invest” is an oxymoron.

        If these shares are guaranteed to provide a “safe investment” that is because they are underwritten by the public. Socialise the losses and privatise the profits.

        And what should be the left’s response to this looting? Meekly buy back the shares at “market value” – a value distorted by the existence of very people who are required now to pay to get them back?

        No. Punish the right wing for this looting. And when they’re down, give them a really good hiding, one they’ll never forget.

        • UpandComer 10.1.2.1

          I agree with you against socialised losses – that’s really bad. Bill English would agree with you as well. I imagine he was not happy when in turn he had to:

          bail out SCF for billions due to it’s inclusion under the GDS and his obligations and then
          bail out ACC to the tune of a billion dollars, and then
          stump up billions for kiwirail, a purchase to which he was tied, and then
          having to stump up billions for Christchurch, the dodgy practices of AMI, and the failure of individuals to insure themselves.

          All of those are socialised losses, and all of them are absolutely galling.

          Micheal Cullen didn’t have to deal with anything whatsoever.

          Read my above post as to why it will impossible for Labour to simply confiscate the shares.

          The 49% of shares being floated aren’t underwritten by the government. Once purchased, the owners bear the risk entirely. Further, unlike SCF, Mighty River Power isn’t too big to fail. If it fails, people just lose their money and it either reverts to public ownership or you move the infrastructure to a different power company.

          What that means is that here losses won’t be socialised which is a blimmin blessing after all the socialised losses Bill has had to deal with.

          • Kotahi Tane Huna 10.1.2.1.1

            “The 49% of shares being floated aren’t underwritten by the government. ”

            Of course they are you idiot. Too essential to fail.

          • Colonial Viper 10.1.2.1.2

            Once purchased, the owners bear the risk entirely. Further, unlike SCF, Mighty River Power isn’t too big to fail. If it fails, people just lose their money and it either reverts to public ownership or you move the infrastructure to a different power company.

            Reverts to public ownership eh? So the tax payer will still bear all the risk and have to bail it out?

            • UpandComer 10.1.2.1.2.1

              No. Individuals lose the money on their shares if the company goes bust – If there was a ten year drought in the Southern Lakes all the individuals would be wiped out on that particular investment, and the government would retain it’s 51 percent share. The government could then retake ownership at a nominal or even symbolic price – given there will be zero demand in that case.

              • Colonial Viper

                The government could then retake ownership at a nominal or even symbolic price

                Now you get it.

          • xtasy 10.1.2.1.3

            “bail out ACC to the tune of a billion dollars”

            Again you are falling for the government propaganda. They changed the accounting approach and expected that ACC earns within a short period what longer term claims may cost in the medium to longer term future.

            Hence suddenly they “created” a big “hole” in the ACC accounts and justified their cutting back in services, increase of levies and also put in an assessment regime, where biased consultants and doctors helped them “offload” cases, a significant number of them then being transfered onto invalid’s and sickness benefits paid by WINZ.

            The draconian approach, introduced under the leaderhip of that wally type man called Nick Smith was so “successful”, so that ACC (upon direction by the government) could lower levies again last year, helping them to present another “carrot” to prospective voters of National.

            Genius strike, really, but does it justify the suffering of short changed and off loaded claimants?

            • UpandComer 10.1.2.1.3.1

              It wasn’t hot air. Bill actually had to find the money, and actually had to pay it into ACC, to deal with liabilities for which it did not have revenues. It was not an accounting gimick, it’s just what happens when you give people free physio for practically every injury.

              If it was hot air, then money would not have needed to be physically, actually, like in reality, transferred into ACC – you understand that? It was a serious matter. Roger Douglas wanted to refer Cullen and Labour to the police, and had a case under the Public Finance Act.

              • Colonial Viper

                All false. ACC has funds invested in the many billions of dollars. Yet here you claim that a few million in physio fees was going to send ACC under?

                You’re a liar. I suggest you turn your life to something useful before it is too late.

                By the way dickhead, ACC is not funded through Government taxes or borrowing, it is not a government department or ministry.

                • Kotahi Tane Huna

                  And there it is again, UpandComer, reality leaking in.

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    lol. Blinglish put a big stack of cash money in a truck and had it delivered to acc head office.

                    I could believe that.

                    • DH

                      CV has it right. The Govt only funds the non-earners account and part of the treatment account. Those two accounts are also not included in the fully-funded target, they have quite large deficits which don’t matter much since they’re underwritten by the Crown

                      It wasn’t a cash deficit anyway, it was a revaluation of the outstanding claims liability which is an accounting figure. That led to adding $1billion to the crown deficit but again it was a paper deficit; no cash was involved.

              • xtasy

                By the way – ACC has investments in portfolios, including overseas investments. The supposedly big “hole” that Nick Smith and National “discovered” was at least partly “created” by setting higher financial performance criterias for ACC, earning within a short period to cover long term liabilities.

                Also did the so called “crisis” at ACC occur when the world (and NZ) were in deep recession following the global financial crisis and fallout. So it was no surprise also that ACC may have earned less for a while, due to this. A year or two ago that changed for the better again, not just due to higher levies and stricter criteria for claims and grants. A moderate recovery – admittedly with also implemented “quantitative easing” in the US, UK, European coutries and also China.

      • lefty 10.1.3

        The idea that people with more money than they know what to do with should be guaranteed a large and safe return on it for doing nothing is ridiculous.

        If the rich want to make more money they should try working for it like the rest of us have to.

        • UpandComer 10.1.3.1

          Argh. I know I’m blowing in the wind and my comments will all be deleted as they present a reasonable case the other way,

          But mate come on. It’s not easy making money unless you’re the son of Owen Glenn. People aren’t being guaranteed a large and safe return – just something that isn’t as risky as a finance company.

          No one who is rich in NZ has done it without working and taking risks, and no who is rich in NZ doesn’t pay a large amount of tax.

          • Kotahi Tane Huna 10.1.3.1.1

            “…my comments will all be deleted…”

            Does the policy say that anything that constitutes a mixture of self-serving delusions and paranoid garbage will get deleted? Well I never!

          • Colonial Viper 10.1.3.1.2

            and my comments will all be deleted as they present a fairytale the other way,

            FIFY

            • UpandComer 10.1.3.1.2.1

              None of my comments are lies. You’ll just delete them because you don’t want people to know facts and other arguments, which is pretty craven.

              • Colonial Viper

                I didn’t say they were lies, I said they were fairytales. You know, designed for the young and the ignorant.

                Hey nice move calling people names for something which hasn’t even happened yet. What are you mentally, 16?

              • Kotahi Tane Huna

                “facts and other arguments”

                Where? You may struggle constructively to believe this, but you haven’t actually presented either.

              • QoT

                Your first comment on this thread was eight hours ago, UaC. Sadly, it looks like the mods have chosen to not dignify your martyr syndrome.

                Alternatively, it could be that despite your drivel, you haven’t hit any of the actual likely-to-get-you-banned buttons and The Standard’s mods don’t actually just delete comments because they disagree with some imaginary party line. I know, it’s a shocking concept.

          • Lanthanide 10.1.3.1.3

            “and no who is rich in NZ doesn’t pay a large amount of tax.”

            So I guess that report that came out a while ago saying that 50 of the top 100 wealthiest people in NZ weren’t paying the top tax rate was just wrong, then?

          • fender 10.1.3.1.4

            Well obviously they didn’t “present a reasonable case the other way” as they havn’t been deleted.

            “I know I’m blowing in the wind”
            Yes but unlike the song these actions you support are not answers.

            Perhaps you meant blowing out your……..

      • Carol 10.1.4

        I’m happy to put my money into term deposits. i don’t have a desire to get some windfall for doing nothing.

        NZ needs people to invest in new, or upcoming productive businesses – e.g making trains that work without needing repair soon after they start being used. NZ doesn’t need people investing in well-developed businesses we already have.

        • UpandComer 10.1.4.1

          Sure, but Kiwis are pretty risk averse – this lets you diversify a bit, and then look at getting money into transport companies such as what you mention.

          • Colonial Viper 10.1.4.1.1

            Sure, but Kiwis are pretty risk averse – this lets you diversify a bit, and then look at getting money into transport companies such as what you mention.

            So ordinary NZers have to lose their assets to give rich people something to do with their money?

            Rich people who aren’t entrepreneurial enough to start their own businesses, generate jobs, and so have to ride on the back of public sector assets?

            • UpandComer 10.1.4.1.1.1

              I’m an ordinary NZ’er, you don’t have to be rich to start off something new, and few people are. You’ve got it the wrong way around. Rich people who get rich the professional route sure as hell earn their dosh. Accountants/lawyers/doctors don’t just stroll into those fields, and it takes a lot of time.

              As I say, they aren’t their assets – they are the govts, and I don’t trust Labour and the Greens to spend that money, and neither should you.

              Rich people have plenty to do with their money, and do plenty, this will give all those ‘ordinary kiwis’ you disparage and patronise all the time somewhere to invest their kiwisaver and super funds.

              • Rich people who get rich the professional route sure as hell earn their dosh. Accountants/lawyers/doctors don’t just stroll into those fields, and it takes a lot of time.

                I’m not sure you understand how markets distribute wealth. They are not, primarily, technical systems designed to reward ‘effort’ or ‘hard work’.

                In theory, at least, they reward efficient provision of the most desired products and services. This is not the same as rewarding effort and hard work (and any other virtues such as honesty, etc.).

                Accountants and lawyers do not ‘earn’ their ‘dosh’ in the sense of working proportionately harder or with more effort than, for example, an unskilled cable factory worker working 12 hour shifts for five days and then 6 hours on Saturday (as my father worked) who earns considerably less than they do.

                Professionals get rich because they have positioned themselves (or, most often, have been positioned by family and friends) in the most lucrative situation in our economic and financial systems.

                Claims of personal virtue (e.g., ‘hard work’) and morality are completely beside the point when it comes to being wealthy. As Adam Smith noted:

                This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition, though necessary both to establish and to maintain the distinction of ranks and the order of society, is, at the same time, the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. That wealth and greatness are often regarded with the respect and admiration which are due only to wisdom and virtue; and that the contempt, of which vice and folly are the only proper objects, is often most unjustly bestowed upon poverty and weakness, has been the complaint of moralists in all ages.

                 

    • Murray Olsen 10.2

      It’s plain enough for me. I also don’t see how paying dividends to a few who may or not be whatever nationality will make up for the increased power bills that will result and the lack of spending on infrastructure that the private sector loves so much.

  11. captain hook 11

    what the fuck does that load of codswallop mean?

  12. infused 12

    oh u mad.

  13. Kotahi Tane Huna 13

    Of course, if the next government wee really sly, they could not announce their intentions, then simply point to some random alarming climate indicator and say that, regretfully, repossession of our property was in the National Interest, and that all New Zealand residents required to relinquish shares would get a certificate of good citizenship for doing so. Something suitably insulting, at any rate.

    Or they could let Hone force it on them the way John Key pretended Charter schools were John “for sale” Banks’ idea.

  14. xtasy 14

    The end of democracy and fair politics:

    “Hey bud, heres some dosh for ya! Thanks for voting for me and my policies.”

    That is more or less what Key and National are saying and doing.

    These share sales will again benefit the clientele of National and ACT, who are generally the better earning and more wealthy NZers, now able to get not only the benefit of tax cuts (that favoured them) a couple of years back, they also get a nice top up for buying the energy company and Air NZ shares to be offered.

    The cynical part of it is: All Kiwi tax payers will subsidise the sale, not only by the hundreds of millions to banks and consultants involved, but also the shares purchased by NZers. The theft of the government by selling about half of the companies that all NZers have owned, and the on-sale of the loot is so being rewarded at the expense of all tax payers.

    It stinks to heaven what Key and National are up to. Yet “roll over New Zealanders” allow all this to happen. I cannot believe what is going on here!

    • UpandComer 14.1

      NZ”s don’t own the power companies.

      The govt does.

      You have to trust that the govt will spend the revenue on something decent. Do you actually trust Labour to do that? I bet if you were reasonably informed on their spending you might think otherwise.

      This isn’t ‘theft’ at all.

      At least here people will be buying with their own money. When Labour are handing out dosh to beneficiaries, middle class wheeler dealers (thru student allowances and WFF) and their friends (appointing political friends in the public service) they are using your and my money.

      Cheers.

      • xtasy 14.1.1

        The government is only caretaker of the people of NZ, who vote them in. Sadly this lot got in only through the support of a somewhat double standard type, self serving, right wing extremist nutter like John Banks, who goes around preaching morals about gambling, alcohol and so forth, yet supports a government actually favouring a casino operator to make a deal for a new convention centre with.

        Another opportunistic hanger on is that one with the silly hair-do from Ohariu, oh that even ends in a rhyme, I note.

        Then we have some Maori MPs and ministers who have sold out on most of the principles they were voted in on. They are digging their grave already, ensuring that once they are gone, that party will vanish from the political landscape.

        So while the lot around Key are in government – they go and sell assets which most NZers (including even many National voters) firmly oppose.

        That is nothing much better than theft from the people who entrusted Key and his gang to be “caretakers” of the people’s and nation’s affairs.

        But it seems that too many NZers do not mind being robbed. Buying back what all own, but only by a selected few who can afford the shares, that is complicity and participation in theft.

        • UpandComer 14.1.1.1

          This lot got in with the highest ever vote under MMP, and one of the few govts to increase their vote in their second term.

          You can buy a share parcel for 1000 dollars. You should buy a parcel or two.

          • xtasy 14.1.1.1.1

            Ha! How do you know whether I can afford it or not? You make a fool of yourself, even contradicting the PM, who clearly replied to a reporter, that “not all” NZers will be able to afford buying the shares to be offered.

            This lot got in on policies that were presented as a package. So most National voters did vote that party DESPITE of the asset sales plans, and not because of it.

            Do not forget the many non voters, and MMP or not, Key needed the hairdesign freak from Ohariu and the Dotcom beggar Banksie (who had to be boosted a bit by the PM over a cuppa stunt), to form the government.

            Labour struggled and lost, admittedly because too many remembered Goff having been involved with and supportive of asset sales in the late 1980s.

            The government faced 99 per cent of submissions at the Select Committee hearings for the Mixed Ownership Model, which were against asset sales. But the government did NOT bother to listen to the submitters, going ahead against huge opposition.

            That is how they treat the democratic process, “this lot”!

      • Colonial Viper 14.1.2

        This isn’t ‘theft’ at all.

        At least here people will be buying with their own money.

        Yeah like buying stolen silverware with your own money isn’t theft.

    • joe90 14.2

      NZ”s don’t own the power companies.

      The govt does.

      You really are stupid aren’t you.

      • UpandComer 14.2.1

        They don’t!

        The govt decides what to do with the revenue! If Labour decided to buy an airforce again, that’s for them to decide not you or anyone else. Do you trust them to spend it wisely? I don’t.

        • Kotahi Tane Huna 14.2.1.1

          We’ll take that under advisement. Thanks for coming.

        • Puddleglum 14.2.1.2

          UpandComer, does your claim that the government, and not the people, own the assets that are to be part-privatised mean that you accept the argument that we do not live in a democracy?

          Democracy is usually defined as being government ‘of the people, by the people, for the people’ or variations on that theme. But you clearly don’t equate ‘the people’ with the government so, presumably, you don’t believe we live in a democracy (rule by the ‘demos’, the people). 

          I’ve often noticed that right-wingers seem to treat the government as some sort of private organisation that simply imposes itself on us. Rather than wanting to further democratise government, their usual reaction is to want to eliminate it.

          Yet, at other times they bang on about the virtues of ‘democracy’ and ‘our’ democratic form of government (e.g., when ‘we’ are going to war with some heinous, villainous ‘tyrant’ or dictator).

          All very hard to follow, or see as coherent.

      • joe90 14.2.2

        Wow, stupid and an authoritarian.

  15. Carol 15

    Bonuses for those with money to spare: cuts in income for some of the most fragile and powerless (and their children) who are already struggling to make ends meet on their benefits.

    National is truly the nasty party. Labour got labelled the nasty party for attacking (the rich and powerful) John Key. But National is truly the nasty party who supports the haves and demonises the least powerful and poorest in society.

    • UpandComer 15.1

      Benefits aren’t being cut. They just aren’t being increased, and incentives are being provided to get people off them.

      National are targeting help at those who need it most and will benefit most, i.e. pregnant teens. If they can get level 2, they will go on to employment – that’s what the stats say.

      National is doing something as simple as making up a database of all individuals on welfare – can you believe that one hasn’t actually existed previously? And having case managers check in with recipients as individuals (that also hasn’t happened)

      What is nasty is leaving people to rot on the benefit in darkness and obscurity. These people are often depressed, often minors, often lacking skills and expertise. Just giving them more money doesn’t help them. What they need is someone to know who they are, what their situation is, and help move them off.

      National supports people who are constructive, and helps people who are struggling constructively. NZ housing and welfare has been a terrible joke that has harmed thousands for far too long, and National is doing something about it. That’s why most reasonable people disagree with you, and know who the real nasty party is.

      • Kotahi Tane Huna 15.1.1

        “case managers check in with recipients as individuals (that also hasn’t happened)”

        Is that so? You really don’t have the first fucking clue what you’re on about do you?

        Where did you get that little howler from?

      • Colonial Viper 15.1.2

        What is nasty is leaving people to rot on the benefit in darkness and obscurity. These people are often depressed, often minors, often lacking skills and expertise. Just giving them more money doesn’t help them.

        I agree. The Government should give everyone who wants to work a full time job, a full time job.

        There’s plenty of work to be done. Railways to be built, rest homes to be staffed, teaching jobs in schools, help for the disabled.

        Let’s move the unemployed off benefits into full time employment asap.

      • xtasy 15.1.3

        “What is nasty is leaving people to rot on the benefit in darkness and obscurity.”

        Wow, this one has really been brainwashed thoroughly, aye?

        I have nothing against honestly assisting people on welfare to regain health and ability to return to work. But what is actually being done? We get told another hundred or two hundred million extra will be spent on the welfare reforms, supposedly offering “support” and “assistance” to beneficiaries affected.

        That money will largely come from other beneficiaries, who are likely to get entitlements cut or denied full stop! I know of WINZ and MSD having been “training” so-called “designated doctors” they use for assessments of sick and disabled. I have been shown some of the “training material”. It is clearly biased, and that “training” has been introduced and is being used by this government to achieve the same “off-loading” outcomes as has happened with ACC!

        And there are many other things I could tell you about, e.g. the government actually cutting payments for mental health and addiction treatment services, who have to cut back on staff and resources, compromising their service delivery. Bennett and National are lying to the public when they talk about “helping” people. Also are there not the jobs to offer to people on benefits. That makes it criminal what is going on. It is not helping, it is draconian pressuring and forcing beneficiaries, leading to actually worse health and harmful effects, on mothers and children.

        • UpandComer 15.1.3.1

          There are jobs. Employers can’t find kiwis to work in rest-homes, work on orchards and vinyards, milk cows, work on road crews. They have to bring in people from overseas. Firms can’t find labourers who can pass a drug test. There are plenty of jobs.

          • Lanthanide 15.1.3.1.1

            “There are jobs. Employers can’t find kiwis to work in rest-homes, work on orchards and vinyards, milk cows, work on road crews. ”

            Because these jobs don’t pay enough money for them to be worth it to anyone but the desperate. Also a lot of the jobs you listed here are physically demanding and therefore many people simply aren’t capable of performing the work.

            • UpandComer 15.1.3.1.1.1

              Lol I’ve worked every single one of those jobs. I’m not desperate. My work colleagues weren’t desperate, just constructive.

              Sure, people on the invalids benefit are a special case. But there are lots of able bodied beneficiaries who are fine physically, just on drugs and/or mentally aren’t up to it. I saw lots of WINZ guys come and go. The point is that like everything, you work your way up.

              • Lanthanide

                So, if you’re not on an invalids benefit, clearly you’re able to do any physically demanding job going?

                • UpandComer

                  My point is that many beneficiaries are physically capable of doing the work, but they get there and they find it hard. The ones that can stick with it are fine, but many seem to not stick with it and fall into bad habits and go on the invalids benefit because it is easier.

                  • Lanthanide

                    So now you’re saying that people on the unemployment benefit transfer to the invalids benefit in order to avoid doing physical jobs?

                  • Chris

                    I seem to remember that our own honourable P Bennett had a baby, went to work”cleaning toilets,washing dishes etc” but found it SO EXHAUSTING that she JUST HAD TO GO ON THE BENE. Would be interesting to see just how long she did this MENIAL WORK before she went to the State for assistance.She wouldn’t be able to do it under her new regimes.Am also curious as to whether her own daughter had to use State Assistance when she had her own child at a young age.

                    • xtasy

                      Chris: Paula Bennett does not give a damned shit about how beneficiaries manage these days. She has jumped into bed with a political party offering her “opportunities” and serving as a very “oppotune” idiot to serve their causes. She worked for Murray McCully and then became an MP herself.

                      Now she has a salary of hundreds of thousands per annum and can live a comfy life, as a result of selling her own dignity and past experiences.

                      Bennett is for me the most dispiccable one of the lot, as she should know better but does act as if her past is another person’s life. Selected views, thinking and actions, that is her. Lecturing others on benefits and denying them what she took advantage of (e.g. TIA). Disgusting that is!

              • Colonial Viper

                Time to give every NZer who wants to work a full time job, a full time job.

                The point is that like everything, you work your way up.

                Yep, these jobs should have clear pathways to higher pay and more responsibility.

              • Lol I’ve worked every single one of those jobs.

                What was the context of your work in those jobs? For example, were they periods of ‘holiday’ work as a student or did you do them because you had no other qualification and were not competitive for any other work?

                Or, like Rodney Hide, were you simply ‘in-between’ what you knew would be far more fulfilling work and you simply needed a bit of cash and something to keep you busy for a while?

                I ask because the context has a large say in a person’s perspective on and motivation for that kind of work.

              • mike e

                Down and outer yeah you were sacked from everyone of those jobs.
                Just getting to the work area and finding accommodation is beyond most low income people’s financial resources .
                Paula beneficiary not only got the solo’s benefit she got $200,000 of free education while on the benefit.

          • xtasy 15.1.3.1.2

            Cheap argument this is! You did not address my critics of the welfare policies introduced and promoted by this government.

            As wages are so bloody low (just above or at the minimum pay) in rest homes and many other areas, those that can and want to work do not bother with working for pittance, which does for many leave little to eat after paying rent or other housing costs, transport to and from work, electricity, water and whatever else.

            Unemployed in Auckland and Wellington can hardly move to the orchards for a few weeks of fruit picking.

            The drugs issue is another one, which can also raise the question: Why do so many people drug and drink alcohol in NZ? Maybe it is due to the crap living standards, lack of opportunities and a fair deal to live a decent life here? Over half of NZ homes are also uninsulated, forcing many to freeze at 10 degrees or less in winter, while not able to afford heating.

            What about “incentives” rather than draconian pressures, dismantling of human rights and paying people pittance to work.

            Rents in Auckland are now so high, the minimum wage would simply mostly go into rent to have a roof over the head. But because the government does not address that and other issues, they choose the easier solution, by putting unbearable pressure on low wage earners and beneficiaries.

          • Carol 15.1.3.1.3

            Ah, yes. And all so suitable for solo mothers with young children.

        • UpandComer 15.1.3.2

          I’m not sure what doctors you know but most doctors are professional and actually judge people on their merits. I know a lot of people who are bipolar, suffering from depression, have dyslexia or ADHD and the likes, who still go to work everyday, and not just in those pursuits, but those that are more white-collar.

          • Colonial Viper 15.1.3.2.1

            Plus if you are a sociopath, you can become a CEO of a major corporate, or maybe a banker.

          • mike e 15.1.3.2.2

            Down and outer your getting more grotesque by the comment.
            Mental illness affects people in different ways.
            Redneck bigot !

      • xtasy 15.1.4

        Did you not read in the media about a case manager at WINZ denying a client special needs assistance for food – and then sending the client to go to a food-bank? Maybe have a look at the stories under the following links:

        http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/winz-worker-sends-beneficiary-food-bank-4722146

        http://www.3news.co.nz/WINZ-sending-the-needy-away-hungry-says-CAB/tabid/419/articleID/99450/Default.aspx

        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1112/S00142/winz-exacerbates-growing-food-bank-lines-this-christmas.htm

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/4667121/Winz-denies-driving-man-to-crime

        For about two or so years now, WINZ have denied many clients help with needed food, as after 2 or 3 special needs grants for food clients are forced to see a budget advisor and get no further support of that form.

        Also has Citizen Advice been forced to assist beneficiaries as WINZ is cutting back services. Food bankds no longer give food out, unless the person approaching them also presents a letter from WINZ stating they have no further entitlement for food grants. To get such a letter clients are forced to make an appointment with a case manager, which sometimes may be a week a more away!

        That is how beneficiaries are treated these days!

        • UpandComer 15.1.4.1

          I don’t know about individual cases, but I suspect like most cases there will be an interesting context. I.e. the many stories of people ‘struggling’ on low wages who don’t mention they are getting hundreds of dollars of taxpayer assistance as well.

          But wow, really? they are made to see a budget advisor? Those cost money. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

          Appointments with case managers sound reasonable too, and like everyone, you need to plan ahead based on your income.

          • Colonial Viper 15.1.4.1.1

            So you’re OK with the denying of food for people?

          • xtasy 15.1.4.1.2

            I know some people who saw a budget advisor and then got proved by the budget advisor that it is impossible to live on the benefit incomes paid by WINZ. When they presented the budgets drawn up with absolutely essential outgoings and total benefit received to their case managers, the case managers just fobbed them off and said that is all they were entitled to (in benefits).

            So what are people supposed to do, when even budget advisors prove that WINZ pays insufficient for clients to live off?

            Maybe move under the bridge, I suppose. Then the cops come and harass people, force them into emergency quarters at city missions and so. You can keep screwing people, but the limit will be reached, where it becomes inhumane and disgusting. But it seems you do not give a damn anyway. Wait until you lose job, income and whatever else. Wait until you may be hit with serious illness or an accident. Well, then the tune may change, I presume.

            • QoT 15.1.4.1.2.1

              Look, that was just one budget advisor, and like lawyers, Mr Key can give you another one that will give a counterview.”

              Ref.

  16. joe90 16

    struggling constructively

    WTF is struggling constructively?.

  17. OneTrack 17

    Right, so the government takes steps to encourage kiwis who buy shares to keep them in kiwi hands, and you are against it.

    Yeah, makes perfect sense.

    • Pascal's bookie 17.1

      Right, so the govt says it has to sell assets to pay down debt and increase liquidity in the NZX and does it with methods that reduce both the money it gets from the sale and market liquidity.

      Yeah, makes perfect sense.

      • Hayden 17.1.1

        “Right, so the government takes steps to encourage kiwis who buy shares to keep them in kiwi hands” …for about 3 years and 1 day.

  18. chris73 18

    This is just sounding better and better

    Bet you that we’ll hear a lot of bluster from Labour but they won’t promise to buy back the shares

    • UpandComer 18.1

      Yip. After hours of campaigning, virulent hyperbile and militant bloviation, I don’t think they are going to buy them back.

      • seeker 18.1.1

        @ Upand Comer

        National should not have put you in a position where you are encouraged to make money out of these ‘electricity’ assets’, which are in fact public utilities which are vital for our existence. No probs with planes boats or trains etc but NOT water or electricity. Think UandC- this will never do you any good as it will come down to ‘making money out of other’s suffering’. Don’t let National corrupt/criminalise you.

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    A Labour Government will improve the justice system to ensure it achieves real public safety, provides equal access to justice and protects human rights, Labour’s Justice spokesperson Andrew Little says. “Our approach is about tackling the root causes of crime, recognising...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Labour to foster Kiwi love of sport and the great outdoors
    A Labour Government will promote physical activity, back our top athletes and help foster Kiwis’ love of the great outdoors by upgrading tramping and camping facilities. Trevor Mallard today released Labour’s sports and recreation policy which will bring back a...
    Labour | 29-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • What The Hell Was That! Reflections on the media’s coverage of the Intern...
    WHAT, EXACTLY, DO WE KNOW about the confrontation outside Internet-Mana’s campaign launch? Well, we know the news media was there in force. We also know Internet-Mana’s media person, Pam Corkery, blew her stack. We know that Corkery’s outburst led the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • NZ First candidate – homophobic, bennie bashing anti-intellectual clown
    Oh God, apart from Ron Mark, Tracey Martin, Curwen Rolinson and Winston before midday, the woeful cavalcade of political circus freaks NZ First seem to attract has picked up another hitchhiker. This time Epsom candidate Cliff Lyon who said this about Labour… “If...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Nicky Hager Public Meeting LIVESTREAM on The Daily Blog 7.30pm Wednesday 27...
    As part of our commitment to the 2014 Election debate, The Daily Blog will Livestream the Nicky Hager public meeting in Auckland, 7.30pm live from the Mt Eden War Memorial this Wednesday on this site. Doors open at 7pm. It...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Opening Night. It’s like an opera!
    On Saturday night just gone, we collectively experienced one of the premier panegyrys of political pageantry in our three yearly electoral cycle. For one glorious weekend evening every three years, it’s not the All Blacks or some Super 14 team, or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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