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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-2/#comment-17814</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it you missed the TV news last night TDS.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1318360/1579756

See the &#039;related video&#039; on the side bar - the second one is gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it you missed the TV news last night TDS.</p>
<p><a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1318360/1579756" rel="nofollow">http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1318360/1579756</a></p>
<p>See the &#8216;related video&#8217; on the side bar &#8211; the second one is gold.</p>
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		<title>By: The Double Standard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-2/#comment-17812</link>
		<dc:creator>The Double Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know what the ratings are for parliament TV on Sky.  Must be pretty low. The apparent fact is that it is not actually performance in parliament that matters, but the reporting of performance in parliament.

From todays Herald

&lt;i&gt;In his reply to the Prime Minister&#039;s statement to Parliament, Mr Key compared Labour to a gramophone - &quot;confined to history, a relic left gathering dust at the back of the cupboard wondering why the music has stopped&quot;.

He described Helen Clark&#039;s speech as &quot;vacuous&quot; and &quot;boring&quot; and joked about Shane Jones mounting a leadership bid in a third of the time it has taken for Labour to offer tax cuts.

He claimed the Resource Management Act would mean: &quot;I have more chance of being Britney Spears&#039; therapist in 2015 than of driving through the Waterview tunnel ... &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Then they go on to Winston laying into National, just like a good poodle. 

How many people voted for NZ first at the last election? Reading this story, how many really care what Winnie says in the house?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know what the ratings are for parliament TV on Sky.  Must be pretty low. The apparent fact is that it is not actually performance in parliament that matters, but the reporting of performance in parliament.</p>
<p>From todays Herald</p>
<p><i>In his reply to the Prime Minister&#8217;s statement to Parliament, Mr Key compared Labour to a gramophone &#8211; &#8220;confined to history, a relic left gathering dust at the back of the cupboard wondering why the music has stopped&#8221;.</p>
<p>He described Helen Clark&#8217;s speech as &#8220;vacuous&#8221; and &#8220;boring&#8221; and joked about Shane Jones mounting a leadership bid in a third of the time it has taken for Labour to offer tax cuts.</p>
<p>He claimed the Resource Management Act would mean: &#8220;I have more chance of being Britney Spears&#8217; therapist in 2015 than of driving through the Waterview tunnel &#8230; &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Then they go on to Winston laying into National, just like a good poodle. </p>
<p>How many people voted for NZ first at the last election? Reading this story, how many really care what Winnie says in the house?</p>
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		<title>By: Robinsod</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-2/#comment-17809</link>
		<dc:creator>Robinsod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig Ranapia - dude, you really are becoming more like the rest of the kiwiblog right every day. Are you still claiming MP&#039;s deserve to get sprayed with piss? 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/insidethebeltway/2008/02/07/clarks-waitangi-no-show-smarter-than-key-turning-up/#comment-37451

Christ, you&#039;ll be calling people &quot;Liarbour lickspittles&quot; next...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig Ranapia &#8211; dude, you really are becoming more like the rest of the kiwiblog right every day. Are you still claiming MP&#8217;s deserve to get sprayed with piss? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/insidethebeltway/2008/02/07/clarks-waitangi-no-show-smarter-than-key-turning-up/#comment-37451" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/insidethebeltway/2008/02/07/clarks-waitangi-no-show-smarter-than-key-turning-up/#comment-37451</a></p>
<p>Christ, you&#8217;ll be calling people &#8220;Liarbour lickspittles&#8221; next&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-2/#comment-17801</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, stop being precious. You&#039;re grasping at straws.
We&#039;ve made our thoughts on Winston&#039;s racism clear: http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1067</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, stop being precious. You&#8217;re grasping at straws.<br />
We&#8217;ve made our thoughts on Winston&#8217;s racism clear: <a href="http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1067" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1067</a></p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-2/#comment-17790</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funniest bit yesterday was when Cunliffe accused the opposition of being &quot;preppy&quot; and I think the other phrase was pompous or arrogant or similar.

I&#039;m sure it was completely unintentional and lacking in irony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funniest bit yesterday was when Cunliffe accused the opposition of being &#8220;preppy&#8221; and I think the other phrase was pompous or arrogant or similar.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it was completely unintentional and lacking in irony</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ranapia</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-2/#comment-17785</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Ranapia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;However in the first paragraph, you are making a general comment on a 400 word post post based on a 20 line description on the behavior of an MP. The poster didn&#039;t state an opinion on if he/she approved of his behavior, they merely described it (well apart from the common name for Bob around here).&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, so I&#039;m being utterly unreasonable in assuming the word after &quot;Winston stole the show&quot; indicated some approval?  If that wasn&#039;t all your base&#039;s intention, then perhaps he should have left Winnie&#039;s immigrant bashing out of the roll call?

Or perhaps I can just dismiss your rather disingenuous spin -- something Winnie&#039;s rather good at too -- and take the Freudian slip at face value.  Wouldn&#039;t be the first time people who should know better have squinted past the more rabid side of Winston&#039;s rhetoric when he&#039;s an otherwise useful attack dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However in the first paragraph, you are making a general comment on a 400 word post post based on a 20 line description on the behavior of an MP. The poster didn&#8217;t state an opinion on if he/she approved of his behavior, they merely described it (well apart from the common name for Bob around here).</i></p>
<p>Oh, so I&#8217;m being utterly unreasonable in assuming the word after &#8220;Winston stole the show&#8221; indicated some approval?  If that wasn&#8217;t all your base&#8217;s intention, then perhaps he should have left Winnie&#8217;s immigrant bashing out of the roll call?</p>
<p>Or perhaps I can just dismiss your rather disingenuous spin &#8212; something Winnie&#8217;s rather good at too &#8212; and take the Freudian slip at face value.  Wouldn&#8217;t be the first time people who should know better have squinted past the more rabid side of Winston&#8217;s rhetoric when he&#8217;s an otherwise useful attack dog.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex Labour Voter</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-2/#comment-17771</link>
		<dc:creator>Ex Labour Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was expecting the Standard to positively embrace Key&#039;s speech.  I was expecting you all to be absolutely wowed by it.

I am underwhelmed by the Standard&#039;s response to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was expecting the Standard to positively embrace Key&#8217;s speech.  I was expecting you all to be absolutely wowed by it.</p>
<p>I am underwhelmed by the Standard&#8217;s response to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-1/#comment-17747</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig brother, I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll find much support for Winston&#039;s racism around these parts. Try this post from just two days ago:
http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1067</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig brother, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll find much support for Winston&#8217;s racism around these parts. Try this post from just two days ago:<br />
<a href="http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1067" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1067</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kent Parker</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-1/#comment-17744</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This could have been written a decade ago:

I&#039;ve just listened to Helen Clark&#039;s reply to the PM&#039;s speech. I&#039;m underwhelmed.

It took Helen at least one term as PM to gain anything like the formidible profile she now has.  It is possible to be a good leader without having to be full of lick and spittle from day one.  Key will get the underdog sympathy in situations like this and be in laughing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could have been written a decade ago:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just listened to Helen Clark&#8217;s reply to the PM&#8217;s speech. I&#8217;m underwhelmed.</p>
<p>It took Helen at least one term as PM to gain anything like the formidible profile she now has.  It is possible to be a good leader without having to be full of lick and spittle from day one.  Key will get the underdog sympathy in situations like this and be in laughing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robinsod</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-1/#comment-17740</link>
		<dc:creator>Robinsod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andy, I&#039;m only repeating what I heard - kinda the same threshold of proof you seem to use...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andy, I&#8217;m only repeating what I heard &#8211; kinda the same threshold of proof you seem to use&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-1/#comment-17728</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from the concerning reference to PPPs I noted over at my blog ( http://nzquest.blogspot.com/2008/02/residents-action-movement-waterview.html ), Helen Clark kicked John Key&#039;s arse. 

But of course, as usual, Winston Peters was the finest orator in Parliament!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from the concerning reference to PPPs I noted over at my blog ( <a href="http://nzquest.blogspot.com/2008/02/residents-action-movement-waterview.html" rel="nofollow">http://nzquest.blogspot.com/2008/02/residents-action-movement-waterview.html</a> ), Helen Clark kicked John Key&#8217;s arse. </p>
<p>But of course, as usual, Winston Peters was the finest orator in Parliament!</p>
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		<title>By: Kimble</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-1/#comment-17727</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;ve just listened to Key&#039;s reply to the PM&#039;s speech. I&#039;m underwhelmed.&quot;

Do you really think that ANYONE believes that your would be anything other than negative about Keys speech?

Nobody who comes to the Standard expects fair and balanced political analysis. Everyone knows it is a National bash site and nothing more.

You would think that Labour and the Greens etc, as the ruling coalition, would garner more interest from a balanced political site because they are, you know, the ruling coalition.

But damn near every single post is about John Key or National or Kiwiblog or DPF himself. Your category system doesnt do this fact justice. I bet the beat up about NZ subsidising mine safety in China would be filed under &#039;workers rights&#039; when all it was was another bash the nash story.

I just checked. Yup it is under there.

You are underwhelmed by a Key speech? File that one under Shit We Could Have Guessed For Ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve just listened to Key&#8217;s reply to the PM&#8217;s speech. I&#8217;m underwhelmed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really think that ANYONE believes that your would be anything other than negative about Keys speech?</p>
<p>Nobody who comes to the Standard expects fair and balanced political analysis. Everyone knows it is a National bash site and nothing more.</p>
<p>You would think that Labour and the Greens etc, as the ruling coalition, would garner more interest from a balanced political site because they are, you know, the ruling coalition.</p>
<p>But damn near every single post is about John Key or National or Kiwiblog or DPF himself. Your category system doesnt do this fact justice. I bet the beat up about NZ subsidising mine safety in China would be filed under &#8216;workers rights&#8217; when all it was was another bash the nash story.</p>
<p>I just checked. Yup it is under there.</p>
<p>You are underwhelmed by a Key speech? File that one under Shit We Could Have Guessed For Ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Moore</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-1/#comment-17725</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robinsod, you are so wound up attacking the messenger.  

Which school do you go to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robinsod, you are so wound up attacking the messenger.  </p>
<p>Which school do you go to?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Moore</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-1/#comment-17723</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for explaining that Iprent (Feb 12th, 2008 at 8:49 pm) I will repost here...

Helen&#039;s speech really was pretty boring and non-motivating. Key did an excellent job of tearing her speech to pieces. I do agree with Peters though, when he said that John made a big number of promises - I reckon he would have been better off going with just a few key policies and promises. I waited and listened - when was Key going to make statements on the two biggest issues of 2007 - the Repeal of Section 59 and the Electoral Finance Bill? To my dissapointment, Key kept silent on these hugely important issues.

However, despite that, John came out on top with the opening speeches today. Helen driveled about what a bad state NZ is in, and her dredged up policies that she is going to implement to fix them. John ripped into Helen. Peters ripped into National and spoke well on immigration. Fitzsimmons ripped into National. Sharples rambled on about Tangata Whenua, and why they are special. Dunne waved his arms around a lot and, as usual, had nothing of any value to say. Rodney got pretty fired up about the Electoral Finance bill, referencing my website www.dontvotelabour.org.nz - and then spoke on the Anti-Smacking law, and the upcoming referendum on that issue.

I rate their speeches 
#1 John Key
#2 Rodney Hide
#3 Winston Peters
#4 Helen Clark
#5 Jeanette Fitzsimmons
#6 Peter Dunne
#7 Pita Sharples</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for explaining that Iprent (Feb 12th, 2008 at 8:49 pm) I will repost here&#8230;</p>
<p>Helen&#8217;s speech really was pretty boring and non-motivating. Key did an excellent job of tearing her speech to pieces. I do agree with Peters though, when he said that John made a big number of promises &#8211; I reckon he would have been better off going with just a few key policies and promises. I waited and listened &#8211; when was Key going to make statements on the two biggest issues of 2007 &#8211; the Repeal of Section 59 and the Electoral Finance Bill? To my dissapointment, Key kept silent on these hugely important issues.</p>
<p>However, despite that, John came out on top with the opening speeches today. Helen driveled about what a bad state NZ is in, and her dredged up policies that she is going to implement to fix them. John ripped into Helen. Peters ripped into National and spoke well on immigration. Fitzsimmons ripped into National. Sharples rambled on about Tangata Whenua, and why they are special. Dunne waved his arms around a lot and, as usual, had nothing of any value to say. Rodney got pretty fired up about the Electoral Finance bill, referencing my website <a href="http://www.dontvotelabour.org.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.dontvotelabour.org.nz</a> &#8211; and then spoke on the Anti-Smacking law, and the upcoming referendum on that issue.</p>
<p>I rate their speeches<br />
#1 John Key<br />
#2 Rodney Hide<br />
#3 Winston Peters<br />
#4 Helen Clark<br />
#5 Jeanette Fitzsimmons<br />
#6 Peter Dunne<br />
#7 Pita Sharples</p>
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		<title>By: AncientGeek</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-disappoints/comment-page-1/#comment-17722</link>
		<dc:creator>AncientGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TP: Infinite waiting perhaps?

That was an interesting &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1073&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;poll&lt;/a&gt; today. I don&#039;t take much of an interest in them for reasons I&#039;ve explained in comments elsewhere. But that was quite a shift in velocity. 

Seems like john has some quite soft support (as well as policies). No wonder he is scratching around trying to figure out who he can get into a coalition with. Probably explains the sudden reappearance of the more rabid element on this site today. Getting worried maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TP: Infinite waiting perhaps?</p>
<p>That was an interesting <a href='http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1073' rel="nofollow">poll</a> today. I don&#8217;t take much of an interest in them for reasons I&#8217;ve explained in comments elsewhere. But that was quite a shift in velocity. </p>
<p>Seems like john has some quite soft support (as well as policies). No wonder he is scratching around trying to figure out who he can get into a coalition with. Probably explains the sudden reappearance of the more rabid element on this site today. Getting worried maybe?</p>
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