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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-lashes-out-at-random/comment-page-1/#comment-165627</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look it&#039;s all quite simple, if only you&#039;d understand how Melissa Lee works, with the tacit approval, it seems, of John Key.

The money in question was a &lt;i&gt;contingency&lt;/i&gt; fund. Therefore it&#039;s quite legitimate to go spending it on lunch at Kermadec as a &lt;i&gt;contingency&lt;/i&gt; should Cin Cin be fully booked.

HTH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look it&#8217;s all quite simple, if only you&#8217;d understand how Melissa Lee works, with the tacit approval, it seems, of John Key.</p>
<p>The money in question was a <i>contingency</i> fund. Therefore it&#8217;s quite legitimate to go spending it on lunch at Kermadec as a <i>contingency</i> should Cin Cin be fully booked.</p>
<p>HTH</p>
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		<title>By: GFraser</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-lashes-out-at-random/comment-page-1/#comment-165624</link>
		<dc:creator>GFraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keys MO is to blame Labour for everything. Watching his performance during question time was a prime example; every question put him was answered with some line about Labour, at the same time smirking away like a naughty school boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keys MO is to blame Labour for everything. Watching his performance during question time was a prime example; every question put him was answered with some line about Labour, at the same time smirking away like a naughty school boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-lashes-out-at-random/comment-page-1/#comment-165588</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Firstly I find it hard to take you seriously when you say the attacks against Winston-Secret-Trust-Peters were partisan. However I certainly agree that ACT are conspicuously quiet at this time.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps you should read me closer then burt. I said that Hide&#039;s attacks now look like dishonest partisan bs given his current silence, people that were taken it by it might not be just like him though. It depends on how they react to his hackery. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Which is diabolical compared to their stand on principle when in opposition.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It shows their stand back then was just bullshit burt. People that fell for it, should be just as vehement against ACT/National as they were against the last government. Probably more vehement.

As for whether or not those supporters are just hacks, pointing back to that last government when faced with criticisms of this one would not bode well, I should think, in this regard. (Even if they only do so to try and point out alleged  hypocrisy in the critics.)

 Such tactics only look hackish on the part of ACT voters. Afterall, who cares if so and so private citizen is a hypocrite? The point is the corruption of the leadership no? I should think that those supporters should be much more upset now about ACT who have betrayed them. But they seem to need prompting, which makes me doubt their sincerity. It&#039;s sad. But you can see the bind I&#039;m in. I can&#039;t read minds so I have to judge based on behaviours.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Perhaps Rodney, like Peters and his defenders actually, only has principles when in opposition?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve always thought that Hide was not much different to Peters. Neither of them are necessarily like their followers though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Firstly I find it hard to take you seriously when you say the attacks against Winston-Secret-Trust-Peters were partisan. However I certainly agree that ACT are conspicuously quiet at this time.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Perhaps you should read me closer then burt. I said that Hide&#8217;s attacks now look like dishonest partisan bs given his current silence, people that were taken it by it might not be just like him though. It depends on how they react to his hackery. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Which is diabolical compared to their stand on principle when in opposition.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It shows their stand back then was just bullshit burt. People that fell for it, should be just as vehement against ACT/National as they were against the last government. Probably more vehement.</p>
<p>As for whether or not those supporters are just hacks, pointing back to that last government when faced with criticisms of this one would not bode well, I should think, in this regard. (Even if they only do so to try and point out alleged  hypocrisy in the critics.)</p>
<p> Such tactics only look hackish on the part of ACT voters. Afterall, who cares if so and so private citizen is a hypocrite? The point is the corruption of the leadership no? I should think that those supporters should be much more upset now about ACT who have betrayed them. But they seem to need prompting, which makes me doubt their sincerity. It&#8217;s sad. But you can see the bind I&#8217;m in. I can&#8217;t read minds so I have to judge based on behaviours.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Perhaps Rodney, like Peters and his defenders actually, only has principles when in opposition?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that Hide was not much different to Peters. Neither of them are necessarily like their followers though.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal&#039;s bookie

Firstly I find it hard to take you seriously when you say the attacks against Winston-Secret-Trust-Peters were partisan. However I certainly agree that ACT are conspicuously quiet at this time.

I suspect the quietness at this time is the politicking. Which is diabolical compared to their stand on principle when in opposition. 

Perhaps Rodney, like Peters and his defenders actually, only has principles when in opposition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal&#8217;s bookie</p>
<p>Firstly I find it hard to take you seriously when you say the attacks against Winston-Secret-Trust-Peters were partisan. However I certainly agree that ACT are conspicuously quiet at this time.</p>
<p>I suspect the quietness at this time is the politicking. Which is diabolical compared to their stand on principle when in opposition. </p>
<p>Perhaps Rodney, like Peters and his defenders actually, only has principles when in opposition?</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-lashes-out-at-random/comment-page-1/#comment-165576</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually,  I think the ref said that this isn&#039;t &#039;always done&#039;. It was unusual.

ACT seem comfortable in coalition with these guys, I&#039;m a bit surprised. One would think that all the voters that were convinced to vote for them due to their highly principled campaign against Winston Peters would be very upset. Particularly those that felt that because Peters was in Coalition with Labour, then Labour was also just as guilty as he (if not more so), basing this argument on the idea that ignoring alleged &lt;b&gt;corruption&lt;/b&gt; because of politics was itself &lt;b&gt;corruption&lt;/b&gt;. 

Hide has been conspicuous in his silence for some many months on a variety of issues. His campaign against the &quot;Peters/Clark&quot; government now looks like pure politic; lying to poorly informed, naive  but well intentioned voters. He doesn&#039;t give a shit about corruption if the corrupt are giving him power. Those principled voters must be really pissed. They should speak up about this, much more than about Labour/Peters, lest they look like partisan hacks.

Don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually,  I think the ref said that this isn&#8217;t &#8216;always done&#8217;. It was unusual.</p>
<p>ACT seem comfortable in coalition with these guys, I&#8217;m a bit surprised. One would think that all the voters that were convinced to vote for them due to their highly principled campaign against Winston Peters would be very upset. Particularly those that felt that because Peters was in Coalition with Labour, then Labour was also just as guilty as he (if not more so), basing this argument on the idea that ignoring alleged <b>corruption</b> because of politics was itself <b>corruption</b>. </p>
<p>Hide has been conspicuous in his silence for some many months on a variety of issues. His campaign against the &#8220;Peters/Clark&#8221; government now looks like pure politic; lying to poorly informed, naive  but well intentioned voters. He doesn&#8217;t give a shit about corruption if the corrupt are giving him power. Those principled voters must be really pissed. They should speak up about this, much more than about Labour/Peters, lest they look like partisan hacks.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Ianmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ianmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No apparent underlying philosophy = inconsistency + randomness + disjoints = relaxedness+ smiley = Key Admin:
Mark 13%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No apparent underlying philosophy = inconsistency + randomness + disjoints = relaxedness+ smiley = Key Admin:<br />
Mark 13%</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rOb

I agree, this is a disgrace. These individuals, and Key by condoning it, are rorting the tax payers. But you know how this works rOb, how it&#039;s always been done. Money is allocated to a task, the task is delivered and the spare money is just chucked onto some other task that has overrun. A big game of swings and roundabouts and no accountability for what is really going on. 

Which when you look at it boils down to; Well that&#039;s how it happens when it&#039;s other peoples money and it&#039;s the way it&#039;s always been. The ref made a bad call saying the unspent money should be returned in this instance and this precedent will add significant administrative burden to all public funding bids now that a refund precedent has been set.  

Ya think Key will just validate it?  

captcha:FIXED</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rOb</p>
<p>I agree, this is a disgrace. These individuals, and Key by condoning it, are rorting the tax payers. But you know how this works rOb, how it&#8217;s always been done. Money is allocated to a task, the task is delivered and the spare money is just chucked onto some other task that has overrun. A big game of swings and roundabouts and no accountability for what is really going on. </p>
<p>Which when you look at it boils down to; Well that&#8217;s how it happens when it&#8217;s other peoples money and it&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s always been. The ref made a bad call saying the unspent money should be returned in this instance and this precedent will add significant administrative burden to all public funding bids now that a refund precedent has been set.  </p>
<p>Ya think Key will just validate it?  </p>
<p>captcha:FIXED</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In either case it is dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In either case it is dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Nimmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Nimmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, randomly accusing an organisation of leaking documents is still a step above claiming that your emails were stolen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, randomly accusing an organisation of leaking documents is still a step above claiming that your emails were stolen.</p>
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		<title>By: quoffer</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-lashes-out-at-random/comment-page-1/#comment-165571</link>
		<dc:creator>quoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m laxed about that&#039;

Sounds like Peter Davis urban legend to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m laxed about that&#8217;</p>
<p>Sounds like Peter Davis urban legend to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/key-lashes-out-at-random/comment-page-1/#comment-165570</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is DonKey actually admitting &quot; I&#039;m laxed about that&quot; most of the time instead of his often missquoted &#039;relaxed&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is DonKey actually admitting &#8221; I&#8217;m laxed about that&#8221; most of the time instead of his often missquoted &#8216;relaxed&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: randal</title>
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		<dc:creator>randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats the way things work at New Zealand Ink. my way or the hi-way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats the way things work at New Zealand Ink. my way or the hi-way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Semmens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Semmens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t you know the rich and powerful are always being held back by a conspiracy of haters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t you know the rich and powerful are always being held back by a conspiracy of haters?</p>
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		<title>By: Armchair Critic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armchair Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the government should apply Paula&#039;s precedent and give us the full story, without further prompting.
Where are the &quot;it&#039;s taxpayer money, I have the right to know&quot; crowd now?  With their approach there would have been no need for leaks, and JK could have remained relaxed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the government should apply Paula&#8217;s precedent and give us the full story, without further prompting.<br />
Where are the &#8220;it&#8217;s taxpayer money, I have the right to know&#8221; crowd now?  With their approach there would have been no need for leaks, and JK could have remained relaxed.</p>
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		<title>By: RedLogix</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedLogix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so much under pressure r0b, as not on top of his job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so much under pressure r0b, as not on top of his job.</p>
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