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		<title>By: Rodel</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141839</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really a reply but  I can almost see the beginnings of the chink in the Rodney and John Show.
Rodney-
&quot; it&#039;s not core business- rubbish, roads and  water&quot;
John
&quot;Well, Look,  It might be important to have a party place on the Actland harbour front  for the rugby people.&quot;
Rodney- 
&quot;but Its not Core Council business &quot;(according to Hide)
John,-
 &quot; Look-He&#039;s lost  the confidence of the prime minister.&quot;
Rodney- your call

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really a reply but  I can almost see the beginnings of the chink in the Rodney and John Show.<br />
Rodney-<br />
&#8221; it&#8217;s not core business- rubbish, roads and  water&#8221;<br />
John<br />
&#8220;Well, Look,  It might be important to have a party place on the Actland harbour front  for the rugby people.&#8221;<br />
Rodney-<br />
&#8220;but Its not Core Council business &#8220;(according to Hide)<br />
John,-<br />
 &#8221; Look-He&#8217;s lost  the confidence of the prime minister.&#8221;<br />
Rodney- your call</p>
<p>Watch- no (Look at)- this space</p>
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		<title>By: Kiwipolitico &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reading between the choices of spin</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141815</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiwipolitico &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reading between the choices of spin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for positive spin for a little old fashioned pay back? This post was, in part, inspired by Zetetic&#8217;s post about National&#8217;s current lack of attention to the concerns of female voters. A couple of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for positive spin for a little old fashioned pay back? This post was, in part, inspired by Zetetic&#8217;s post about National&#8217;s current lack of attention to the concerns of female voters. A couple of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DougL</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141321</link>
		<dc:creator>DougL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are making all the right moves to surrender any increase in the female vote they gained in 2008.

What is it with National and pay and employment equity? When they took office in 1990 they abolished the Employment Equity Act. Now they have axed the Dept of Labour&#039;s Pay &amp; Employment Equity (PaEE) Unit. You can still find them on the website though at www.dol.govt.nz/services/PayAndEmploymentEquity/index.asp

They have also axed two investigations aimed at improving the pay of women. The investigations were aimed at female social workers at Child, Youth and Family, who are paid 9.5 per cent less than their male colleagues, and at inequities in the pay of mainly female school support workers.

But it is not just about pay rates. It is also about participation, fairness and respect in the workplace. Many employment practices impact on the ability of women to fully participate in the workplace. The bipartite work being done by employers and unions supported by the PaEE Unit was identifying and addressing these issues. Benefits for workers and employers were being achieved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are making all the right moves to surrender any increase in the female vote they gained in 2008.</p>
<p>What is it with National and pay and employment equity? When they took office in 1990 they abolished the Employment Equity Act. Now they have axed the Dept of Labour&#8217;s Pay &amp; Employment Equity (PaEE) Unit. You can still find them on the website though at <a href="http://www.dol.govt.nz/services/PayAndEmploymentEquity/index.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.dol.govt.nz/services/PayAndEmploymentEquity/index.asp</a></p>
<p>They have also axed two investigations aimed at improving the pay of women. The investigations were aimed at female social workers at Child, Youth and Family, who are paid 9.5 per cent less than their male colleagues, and at inequities in the pay of mainly female school support workers.</p>
<p>But it is not just about pay rates. It is also about participation, fairness and respect in the workplace. Many employment practices impact on the ability of women to fully participate in the workplace. The bipartite work being done by employers and unions supported by the PaEE Unit was identifying and addressing these issues. Benefits for workers and employers were being achieved.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaphod Beeblebrox</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141292</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaphod Beeblebrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The supercity could be a vote winner for National if they approached it more carefully and slowed it down. As it is, it is a looming disaster for them because the Nats have shown disinterest and Hide does not understand how it works and how local govt so ingrained into virtually every sporting, educational and social group that we have. 

The Queens wharf purchase a week after Rodney&#039;s cabinet paper suggesting Local Government get out of non core activities shows how confused they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The supercity could be a vote winner for National if they approached it more carefully and slowed it down. As it is, it is a looming disaster for them because the Nats have shown disinterest and Hide does not understand how it works and how local govt so ingrained into virtually every sporting, educational and social group that we have. </p>
<p>The Queens wharf purchase a week after Rodney&#8217;s cabinet paper suggesting Local Government get out of non core activities shows how confused they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaphod Beeblebrox</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141284</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaphod Beeblebrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, Labour does have a lot of work to do to win back voters but they now have an excellent template in Mt Albert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, Labour does have a lot of work to do to win back voters but they now have an excellent template in Mt Albert.</p>
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		<title>By: So Bored</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141277</link>
		<dc:creator>So Bored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lot of banning and warning today, I feel the chill winds blowing. Time to be awake and serious.

Governing like an &quot;old boys club&quot; you reckon alienates women does it Zetetic?.....I keep noticing that rich old boys clubs have attendant concubines who drive their children to school in the latest Queens Street tractor prior to the high price fashion shops and lunch with the other rich mens trophy girlies at some high end restaurant. Then to the private trainer at the gym. Then collect the kids from private school and off to after school high cost activities, and back to the Reemers mansion. How do we get these women to vote with the left? They &quot;aspire&quot; to be better looked after than the rest of us, and vote that way.

Time to make the term &quot;politics of aspiration&quot; understood properly by the masses of other women out there. I could define the Nacts view of aspiration as &quot;I want more than you, and I dont care if I rub your nose in broken glass to make sure I get it because I and my children deserve it more than you and yours&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot of banning and warning today, I feel the chill winds blowing. Time to be awake and serious.</p>
<p>Governing like an &#8220;old boys club&#8221; you reckon alienates women does it Zetetic?&#8230;..I keep noticing that rich old boys clubs have attendant concubines who drive their children to school in the latest Queens Street tractor prior to the high price fashion shops and lunch with the other rich mens trophy girlies at some high end restaurant. Then to the private trainer at the gym. Then collect the kids from private school and off to after school high cost activities, and back to the Reemers mansion. How do we get these women to vote with the left? They &#8220;aspire&#8221; to be better looked after than the rest of us, and vote that way.</p>
<p>Time to make the term &#8220;politics of aspiration&#8221; understood properly by the masses of other women out there. I could define the Nacts view of aspiration as &#8220;I want more than you, and I dont care if I rub your nose in broken glass to make sure I get it because I and my children deserve it more than you and yours&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jarbury</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141263</link>
		<dc:creator>jarbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crikey ginger, and I always thought you were one of the nicer right-wingers out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crikey ginger, and I always thought you were one of the nicer right-wingers out there.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141261</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gingercrush &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/has_rudman_outed_complainant_a.html#comment-571828&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;#  gingercrush (103) Vote: Add rating 12  Subtract rating 1   Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

I officially give this woman no credibility whatsoever. I hope she and Goff are fucked. There is no way I am going to trust a bitch that knows her husband is committing fraud and then is supposedly sexually harassed. Yeah right. What a bitch&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gingercrush <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/06/has_rudman_outed_complainant_a.html#comment-571828" rel="nofollow">said</a></p>
<p><i>#  gingercrush (103) Vote: Add rating 12  Subtract rating 1   Says:<br />
June 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm</p>
<p>I officially give this woman no credibility whatsoever. I hope she and Goff are fucked. There is no way I am going to trust a bitch that knows her husband is committing fraud and then is supposedly sexually harassed. Yeah right. What a bitch</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Zetetic</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141259</link>
		<dc:creator>Zetetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think that issues of community and some of the services that local government produces tend to be seen as more important to women than men.

I may be wrong (that&#039;s a rare admission) but I recall being told that women heavily out-number men in voting in local elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that issues of community and some of the services that local government produces tend to be seen as more important to women than men.</p>
<p>I may be wrong (that&#8217;s a rare admission) but I recall being told that women heavily out-number men in voting in local elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Rochelle Rees</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141247</link>
		<dc:creator>Rochelle Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right. The directions to their female candidates to try and get cutsie articles in the womens mags!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right. The directions to their female candidates to try and get cutsie articles in the womens mags!</p>
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		<title>By: Ms X</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was my undertstanding that you dont win elections - the government lose it.  Or that was true when it was Labour&#039;s to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was my undertstanding that you dont win elections &#8211; the government lose it.  Or that was true when it was Labour&#8217;s to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: serpico</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141238</link>
		<dc:creator>serpico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;[lprent: Banned 1 month. 
1. It is a a classic troll line without any basis in fact. 
2. Helen and Peter are friends. 
3. You can jerk off on Wishart and his lines elsewhere. This is a place for adults and almost adults.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>[lprent: Banned 1 month.<br />
1. It is a a classic troll line without any basis in fact.<br />
2. Helen and Peter are friends.<br />
3. You can jerk off on Wishart and his lines elsewhere. This is a place for adults and almost adults.<br />
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141236</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zetetic writes,

&lt;blockquote&gt; More importantly, his cuts to education in the Budget and refusal to acknowledge the public out-cry as he moves to turn over local government in Auckland to big business shows he has a tin-ear for issues that traditionally matter to female voters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you sure the local government in Auckland issue is more damaging for female voters than male? It doesn&#039;t feel like a strongly gendered issue to me.

Incidentally The Hollow Men has a chapter on National trying to win the female vote, which includes their own analysis of the issues that get in the way of women voting National.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zetetic writes,</p>
<blockquote><p> More importantly, his cuts to education in the Budget and refusal to acknowledge the public out-cry as he moves to turn over local government in Auckland to big business shows he has a tin-ear for issues that traditionally matter to female voters.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you sure the local government in Auckland issue is more damaging for female voters than male? It doesn&#8217;t feel like a strongly gendered issue to me.</p>
<p>Incidentally The Hollow Men has a chapter on National trying to win the female vote, which includes their own analysis of the issues that get in the way of women voting National.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141233</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a reason for that. We knew that we could hold the seat and others close to us may not have. So we diverted canvassing effort to other electorates to help keep up the party vote. It isn&#039;t something that you can rely on us doing next election. Or for that matter in a by-election. It was interesting that the right vote didn&#039;t turn out in 2009. What could the Nats have done to piss off so many of their own voters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a reason for that. We knew that we could hold the seat and others close to us may not have. So we diverted canvassing effort to other electorates to help keep up the party vote. It isn&#8217;t something that you can rely on us doing next election. Or for that matter in a by-election. It was interesting that the right vote didn&#8217;t turn out in 2009. What could the Nats have done to piss off so many of their own voters?</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-female-trouble/comment-page-1/#comment-141232</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So completing the ring route isn&#039;t important? You should probably contact Transit New Zealand then, I don&#039;t think they realise yet. They seem to think its the vital last link in the western ring route. Actually, they even think it will give us some moneys 
&quot;An economic assessment shows that this improved reliability and accessibility will contribute more than one billion dollars to the Auckland economy&quot;. 
I couldn&#039;t really care less whether or not Mt Albert or Mt Roskill citizens want the motorway there, if we decided infrastructure purely on the opinions of those in the local neighbourhood we would still be stuck in the 30&#039;s.

&lt;strong&gt;[lprent: I&#039;ll let this through. It is actually an answer to a comment I made before I discovered Jared presuming to be a moderator (and I removed my comment). Sometimes my two roles here catch me out. 
Suffice it to say that the waterview connection is a low priority on anyones economic agenda in terms of benefit/cost which is why the funds will be coming from unusual sources and overriding other more worthy projects. It has no economic benefit for the areas it traverses which is why there are no ramps. I think that it should be fully tolled so those using it should pay for it as it is impossible to say that there are benefits to the locals (regardless of what Melissa thought).
See you in a week.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So completing the ring route isn&#8217;t important? You should probably contact Transit New Zealand then, I don&#8217;t think they realise yet. They seem to think its the vital last link in the western ring route. Actually, they even think it will give us some moneys<br />
&#8220;An economic assessment shows that this improved reliability and accessibility will contribute more than one billion dollars to the Auckland economy&#8221;.<br />
I couldn&#8217;t really care less whether or not Mt Albert or Mt Roskill citizens want the motorway there, if we decided infrastructure purely on the opinions of those in the local neighbourhood we would still be stuck in the 30&#8242;s.</p>
<p><strong>[lprent: I'll let this through. It is actually an answer to a comment I made before I discovered Jared presuming to be a moderator (and I removed my comment). Sometimes my two roles here catch me out.<br />
Suffice it to say that the waterview connection is a low priority on anyones economic agenda in terms of benefit/cost which is why the funds will be coming from unusual sources and overriding other more worthy projects. It has no economic benefit for the areas it traverses which is why there are no ramps. I think that it should be fully tolled so those using it should pay for it as it is impossible to say that there are benefits to the locals (regardless of what Melissa thought).<br />
See you in a week.]</strong></p>
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