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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172200</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a line to be had about &#039;deep in the bowels of loose government&#039; but I&#039;m just not flowing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a line to be had about &#8216;deep in the bowels of loose government&#8217; but I&#8217;m just not flowing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172198</link>
		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michaels Colin James quote
&quot;To keep his three-legged runners synchronised will need tough-minded management, sooner rather than later&quot;

sounds like a picnic race, perhaps the egg and spoon for which balance is essential.    Nats don&#039;t seem to have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michaels Colin James quote<br />
&#8220;To keep his three-legged runners synchronised will need tough-minded management, sooner rather than later&#8221;</p>
<p>sounds like a picnic race, perhaps the egg and spoon for which balance is essential.    Nats don&#8217;t seem to have it.</p>
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		<title>By: prism</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172197</link>
		<dc:creator>prism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>probably not till it becomes a blister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably not till it becomes a blister.</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172182</link>
		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Key&#039;s a &quot;yes&quot; man. He does as he&#039;s told. This is seen in his response to the ~500 that he fired back in the 1980s/90s and further when he tried to deny that he&#039;d seen lord so&amp;so and finally had to admit that he hadn&#039;t arranged it but that it been in his diary. Further to this he&#039;s become very rich speculating. What this means is that he&#039;s been very well rewarded for doing nothing of any value.

Now he&#039;s PM and he&#039;s out of his depth. He&#039;s supposed to be leading and he&#039;s still waiting for people to tell him what to do that&#039;s why he&#039;s &quot;relaxed&quot; about everything. On top of that he&#039;s trying to &quot;speculate&quot; (ie, the cycleway) on the course that the country&#039;s going and he&#039;s trying to maintain his popularity by being everything to everybody.

He&#039;s the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time and the whole country will pay for it. Of course, National and ACT are just wrong anyway - they haven&#039;t got a friggen clue as to how the economy works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Key&#8217;s a &#8220;yes&#8221; man. He does as he&#8217;s told. This is seen in his response to the ~500 that he fired back in the 1980s/90s and further when he tried to deny that he&#8217;d seen lord so&amp;so and finally had to admit that he hadn&#8217;t arranged it but that it been in his diary. Further to this he&#8217;s become very rich speculating. What this means is that he&#8217;s been very well rewarded for doing nothing of any value.</p>
<p>Now he&#8217;s PM and he&#8217;s out of his depth. He&#8217;s supposed to be leading and he&#8217;s still waiting for people to tell him what to do that&#8217;s why he&#8217;s &#8220;relaxed&#8221; about everything. On top of that he&#8217;s trying to &#8220;speculate&#8221; (ie, the cycleway) on the course that the country&#8217;s going and he&#8217;s trying to maintain his popularity by being everything to everybody.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time and the whole country will pay for it. Of course, National and ACT are just wrong anyway &#8211; they haven&#8217;t got a friggen clue as to how the economy works.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172173</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Colin James is right. Key&#039;s management is loose and ineffective. He&#039;s a flake.&lt;/i&gt;

Er that&#039;s not what James said, at least in the bit you quoted. There&#039;s a difference between paraphrasing and making sh*t up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Colin James is right. Key&#8217;s management is loose and ineffective. He&#8217;s a flake.</i></p>
<p>Er that&#8217;s not what James said, at least in the bit you quoted. There&#8217;s a difference between paraphrasing and making sh*t up.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172168</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well partly true. They definitely think that left politicians generally have a woeful understanding of the private sector realities, but I dont think that means they think private sector leadership is that transferable. I suspect most would recoil in horror at the thought of trying to lead public sector sectors.

Is Key trying out private sector leadership skills on the public sector? 

I guess my point was that Key is ineresting to watch (policies aside). He seems to have manouevred himself with relative aplomb to date on the political scene. That is why I would doubt that the &#039;looseness&#039; issue is something he has not considered in absolute detail.

Mind you - many many people blindly raved about Clark&#039;s skills and she had some hefty flaws which only became highlighted as time went on. Perhaps too with Key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well partly true. They definitely think that left politicians generally have a woeful understanding of the private sector realities, but I dont think that means they think private sector leadership is that transferable. I suspect most would recoil in horror at the thought of trying to lead public sector sectors.</p>
<p>Is Key trying out private sector leadership skills on the public sector? </p>
<p>I guess my point was that Key is ineresting to watch (policies aside). He seems to have manouevred himself with relative aplomb to date on the political scene. That is why I would doubt that the &#8216;looseness&#8217; issue is something he has not considered in absolute detail.</p>
<p>Mind you &#8211; many many people blindly raved about Clark&#8217;s skills and she had some hefty flaws which only became highlighted as time went on. Perhaps too with Key.</p>
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		<title>By: gobsmacked</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172161</link>
		<dc:creator>gobsmacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gov&#039;t PR machine: smart, effective.

Media organisations: cutting costs.

Journalists: fewer, overworked and underpaid.

Opposition PR machine: feeble.

As I pointed out on the &quot;light/tunnel&quot; thread, Key is feeding the journalists ... literally. They&#039;re not going to bite back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gov&#8217;t PR machine: smart, effective.</p>
<p>Media organisations: cutting costs.</p>
<p>Journalists: fewer, overworked and underpaid.</p>
<p>Opposition PR machine: feeble.</p>
<p>As I pointed out on the &#8220;light/tunnel&#8221; thread, Key is feeding the journalists &#8230; literally. They&#8217;re not going to bite back.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172160</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing though v. 

Righties often criticise lefty politicians for not having &#039;real world&#039; experience. By which they mean private sector experience. They acknowledge that Government is a vastly different kettle of fish than the private sector and feel that the private sector is woefully misunderstood by lefty politicians who have only studied society by way of their big city book learning and what have you.

And yet. They seem to think that private sector leadership is perfectly transferrable to government work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing though v. </p>
<p>Righties often criticise lefty politicians for not having &#8216;real world&#8217; experience. By which they mean private sector experience. They acknowledge that Government is a vastly different kettle of fish than the private sector and feel that the private sector is woefully misunderstood by lefty politicians who have only studied society by way of their big city book learning and what have you.</p>
<p>And yet. They seem to think that private sector leadership is perfectly transferrable to government work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigger</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172158</link>
		<dc:creator>Tigger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you housetrain a puppy early, it learns how to behave.

If you housetrain a puppy a year after bringing it home, you&#039;re in for a world of frustration.

It&#039;s far too late to &#039;subtly and quietly&#039; change management style.  This Cabinet will continue to chew up the sofa and pee on the carpet for months to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you housetrain a puppy early, it learns how to behave.</p>
<p>If you housetrain a puppy a year after bringing it home, you&#8217;re in for a world of frustration.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s far too late to &#8216;subtly and quietly&#8217; change management style.  This Cabinet will continue to chew up the sofa and pee on the carpet for months to come.</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172157</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is that Key inhabits a parallel universe, and the NZ journalists have joined him. Take John Armstrong&#039;s piece today on APEC and trade, John Key&#039;s &#039;billions and billions&#039; being an undestatement. I have scanned the FT and WSJ today on APEC, and all I see as disappointment with Obama on trade, and anything else that matters. It is la la stuff the reporting we are getting in NZ - driven by John Key. 

The real question is when that bubble bursts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is that Key inhabits a parallel universe, and the NZ journalists have joined him. Take John Armstrong&#8217;s piece today on APEC and trade, John Key&#8217;s &#8216;billions and billions&#8217; being an undestatement. I have scanned the FT and WSJ today on APEC, and all I see as disappointment with Obama on trade, and anything else that matters. It is la la stuff the reporting we are getting in NZ &#8211; driven by John Key. </p>
<p>The real question is when that bubble bursts.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172156</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole premise behind James point is that Key is unaware of this &#039;looseness&#039; issue.

That seems quite naive. Do you not think Key will be well aware of his management style and its risks and rewards? And any changing requirements necessary to control the whole shooting match?

This fulla Key didn&#039;t get where he is, and with such support, without being well aware of all aspects of every aspect.

Watch for a change of style, subtly and quietly, in the new year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole premise behind James point is that Key is unaware of this &#8216;looseness&#8217; issue.</p>
<p>That seems quite naive. Do you not think Key will be well aware of his management style and its risks and rewards? And any changing requirements necessary to control the whole shooting match?</p>
<p>This fulla Key didn&#8217;t get where he is, and with such support, without being well aware of all aspects of every aspect.</p>
<p>Watch for a change of style, subtly and quietly, in the new year.</p>
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		<title>By: Killinginthenameof</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-loose-government/comment-page-1/#comment-172152</link>
		<dc:creator>Killinginthenameof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Mr Relaxed has set the standard so low (post Richard Worth) that the media now know that there is no blood to be smelt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Mr Relaxed has set the standard so low (post Richard Worth) that the media now know that there is no blood to be smelt?</p>
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