Labour leadership

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1. Craig Glen Eden 1

   2 October 2012 at 8:48 am

   Is Ed loosing party activists like Shearer?
   • Te Reo Putake 1.1

     2 October 2012 at 8:57 am

     Yes, Craig, both Milliband and Shearer are setting their activists loose on the Tories.
     • Colonial Viper 1.1.1

       2 October 2012 at 8:59 am

       Your Region hasn’t been bleeding Labour activists and members young and old to the Greens?
       • Te Reo Putake 1.1.1.1

         2 October 2012 at 9:03 am

         No, and neither has anywhere else.
         • Craig Glen Eden 1.1.1.1.1

           2 October 2012 at 9:14 am

           Thats Bullshit TRP I know of activists up and down the country that wont lift a finger while Shearers is in charge because he simply does not represent/ articulate Labour values.

           Tamihere for Waitakere? You watch the exodus!
           • Antonina 1.1.1.1.1.1

             2 October 2012 at 9:21 am

             You are so correct Craig. All those ‘front bums’ for a start.
           • Te Reo Putake 1.1.1.1.1.2

             2 October 2012 at 9:21 am

             No you don’t, Craig. You appear to be way out of touch. But keep moaning from the sidelines, the rest of us will do the work for you.
             • Craig Glen Eden …

               2 October 2012 at 10:00 am

               Really TRP you support Shearers dog whistle against sickness beneficiaries?
               You support Nationals Standards, Nationals mechanism to reduce Teachers wages and to attack the Teacher unions.
               You support no one owns water/ water access rights for Maori? Because be my guest you stand up on the Labour Party conference floor and spout this bullshit and we will see who’s out of touch. Be my guest just let me know I will be there to see it with all my out of touch Party activist mates .
               • Te Reo Putake …

                 2 October 2012 at 10:12 am

                 The only one spouting bullshit is you, Craig.
           • David H 1.1.1.1.1.3

             2 October 2012 at 10:48 am

             Oh you are so right there… I have already said publicly that while Shearer is in charge I will be voting Greens. And NO volunteering with driving voters to polling stations, ringing up potential voters, etc etc
   • just saying 1.2

     2 October 2012 at 8:57 am

     That gave me a giggle.
     Shearer has never been a party activist. He only became amember to stand for a seat.
     • Craig Glen Eden 1.2.1

       2 October 2012 at 9:10 am

       Whats more it shows with his bullshit “sickness beneficiary roof painting” comment.

       When you are Labour through and through and you get more excited about the Greens response to issues than your own Party Leader you know some thing is seriously wrong.
       • King Kong 1.2.1.1

         2 October 2012 at 9:16 am

         “When you are Labour through and through and you get more excited about the Greens response to issues than your own Party Leader you know some thing is seriously wrong”

         Exactly, it means you have taken that step from being merely mentally feeble to a full blown crazy.
         • prism 1.2.1.1.1

           2 October 2012 at 9:27 am

           King Kong
           Thanks for the token sneer from a RWNJ. Where would we be without one to demonstrate the opposite of the opinions being discussed.
         • thatguynz 1.2.1.1.2

           2 October 2012 at 9:59 am

           So the next step from Greens to National would make you a completely batshit loony overgrown ape of limited intellect?
            
           Hmm, no thanks.
     • Bill 1.2.2

       2 October 2012 at 9:31 am

       Thought Shearer used to work for Goff years back. Was that as an employee rather than as a member of the party? And did a ‘matey’ relationship form…enough of one that the Goff-awful faction in Labour could put him up there as their trojan horse (thinking more along the lines of ‘my little pony, but never mind) to sneak the (‘Shit! We don’t have the numbers’) Roberston into the leadership via natural progression from deputy to leader?
2. Colonial Viper 2

   2 October 2012 at 8:58 am

   Mike. Ed Miliband just stood up against the trillion dollar City of London, declared that their business model was unsustainable and harmful to society, and presented them with the nuclear option of forceable breakup.

   Can you please give me a similar example of David Shearer standing up against corporate interests for the sake of NZ.
   • Draco T Bastard 2.1

     2 October 2012 at 9:13 am

     No, no one can and they never will be able to as Labour stands for the corporates more than it stands for NZ.
     • thatguynz 2.1.1

       2 October 2012 at 10:00 am

       +1
3. Bill 3

   2 October 2012 at 9:22 am

   …we should be noting that in New Zealand Labour’s Davids are asking the questions and challenging the old orthodoxies that haven’t worked.

   Erm. Really? I guess we would be noting such a thing if it was the case, aye?

   But as noted in ‘Open Mike’ yesterday, the NZ Labour Party leaders appear to playing out a parody of the satirical ‘The Thick of It’… Nicola Murray, the ‘omni-shambles’ leader of the opposition stumbles and flails…calls for an end to ‘adversarial politics’…is cut adrift and the deputy leader shoulder tapped.

   Only difference I see is that Robertson’s shoulder tapping didn’t come off. No loss there… Robertson is just a more polished Shearer with hair and glasses.
   • just saying 3.1

     2 October 2012 at 2:35 pm

     Goff and Shearer are old school friends. As I understand it, Goff approached Shearer when he came back to NZ a few years ago, thought he’s make a damn fine centre-right candidate for Labour. He was offered a safe seat at his second standing. Prior to this approach, and offer of a a seat to stand for, Shearer wasn’t a member of Labour. I think Goff may have given him a job in his office for three years prior to his being offered his current seat.

     Democracy in action.
   • Jokerman 3.2

     2 October 2012 at 10:18 pm

     🙂
4. BloodyOrphan 4

   2 October 2012 at 9:25 am

   I personally think David Shearer is more popular than people are realising.
   The polls are going up for a reason.

   David Shearer is staying the course, He’s standing there and taking it on the chin.
   As his ground solidifies under him, (Which means great directional speeches from all his Collegues as well as himself), I think we’ll have a Labour Leader that has a truly great heart, and there are many New Zealanders who would admire his commitment under fire.
   Go Labour!
5. Craig Glen Eden 5

   2 October 2012 at 9:43 am

   “The Polls are going up for a reason” National are coming down Labour is hardly moving?

   This would be the worse performing Government and Prime Minister I have seen in my life time yet still Key and National poll solidly. Labour should be doing a lot better but other than Cunliffes speeches voters have had very little from Labour to make them look in Labours direction.
6. captain hook 6

   2 October 2012 at 10:36 am

   so where exactly did kweewee serve his apprenticeship as a tory party flunky?
7. captain hook 7

   2 October 2012 at 10:37 am

   Nowhere.
   He simply bought the franchise to plunder and loot the New Zealand Treasury off Michelle Boag.
8. Blue 8

   2 October 2012 at 10:52 am

   Are we really going to pretend that Shearer’s only problem is the stutter?

   Not, say, the complete lack of ability to articulate his ideas even when he’s not stuttering? The woeful lack of political experience? Struggling to get airtime in the media because no one’s interested in him? The nasty swing to the right moaning about sickness beneficiaries?

   For me, Shearer’s ‘leadership’ firmed up my intentions to vote Green. I’m picking a ‘National in 2005’ style election result, close but no cigar for the left, National gets a third term to wreck the country further, and Labour finally wakes up and has the much-needed cleanout, not only dumping Shearer as leader, but getting rid of the complete morons who put him into the leadership in the first place.

   I hate that it will take so long, and so much damage will be done in the meantime. It didn’t have to be so hard.
   • Mary 8.1

     2 October 2012 at 11:35 am

     Shearer’s certainly had some media coaching lately. Now he’s rote learning his sound bites to eliminate the ums and arrhs. Makes him sound like a robot. Almost as bad as Phil Goff. His new-found media skill ain’t going to help him in interviews, unless he just sits there repeating his lines in affirmation-like style which in fact won’t help him at all. His problem is he can’t immerse himself in a subject well enough to respond quickly to questions in an engaging and unselfconscious way. I don’t know if that’s something that can be learned.
9. gobsmacked 9

   2 October 2012 at 2:20 pm

   These parallels are common, but wrong.

   Key isn’t like Cameron. Shearer isn’t like Milliband.

   Cameron and Milliband are two smart, savvy communicators, both with good brains and sharp tongues. (That doesn’t make their policies good or bad, of course – I far prefer Milliband’s party to Cameron’s).

   Key and Shearer are thick hicks. If they were in the UK Conservative or Labour parties, they wouldn’t get past candidate selection in a local electorate. They might be allowed to make the tea. Whereas Helen Clark and Michael Cullen would have been Cabinet Ministers.

   Ed Milliband will be Britain’s next Prime Minister. Tune into the UK Labour conference (BBC, Guardian, etc) to see and hear why.

   David Shearer won’t be our next Prime Minister, and we already know why.
   • Reagan Cline 9.1

     2 October 2012 at 4:02 pm

     I would vote for a thick hick with heart over a smart arse pommie snob any day.
     • McFlock 9.1.1

       2 October 2012 at 4:37 pm

       Shearer then?
     • dancerwaitakere 9.1.2

       2 October 2012 at 5:15 pm

       I don’t view people who make completely irrational and unintelligent comments regarding the status of a beneficiaries situation while knowing NOTHING about them, to have much of a LABOUR heart at all.

       Unfortunately, a thick hick would not even realise the damage they can cause with such a comment.
     • captain hook 9.1.3

       2 October 2012 at 10:02 pm

       yeah. Key and his crew think that if they wear eton boaters and striped jackets then somehow they are in the upper class when in reality they will always be manques.
       thats not spanish for monkeys.
       its a good old word for jumped up wannabees.

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