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Labour’s alternative budget

Written By: - Date published: 1:00 pm, June 25th, 2014 - 139 comments
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PRESS RELEASE

A Labour Government will run surpluses while investing in health and education, and paying off National’s record debt, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says.

“Our Economic Upgrade will transform the New Zealand economy to higher value and higher incomes through higher investment, innovation and industry development.

“This will grow our economy and secure well-paid jobs and a more prosperous, sustainable future. This transformation will be based on a solid fiscal foundation.

“Labour will introduce a new, progressive top tax rate of 36 per cent on income over $150,000; that’s the top 2 per cent of income earners. We will also raise trustee income tax to 36 per cent to avoid trusts being used as tax avoidance vehicles.

“This combined with our capital gains tax will allow the Labour-led Government to run surpluses and pay down National’s record debt by the end of our second term,” David Cunliffe says.

David Parker says: “Everything is paid for, plus we are in surplus.

“Labour will set aside money to ensure service levels in health and education are maintained to meet inflation and population growth. Any new policies we announce for these sectors will be clearly and transparently funded by new spending.

“Labour will also clamp down on tax avoidance by multi-national corporations because we believe that everyone should pay their fair share.

“All Kiwis want a well-paid and secure job, the chance to buy their own home and to be able to afford to raise a healthy and happy family. To give every Kiwi those opportunities, we need to grow a strong economy.

“That means we need solid and stable economic management. Labour’s fiscal strategy is the cornerstone of a positive change for New Zealand that only a Labour-led government can provide,” David Parker says.

139 comments on “Labour’s alternative budget”

  1. Lanthanide 1

    I guess the move to 36% was only because they couldn’t justify a 39% tax on trusts. But at least they aren’t repeating the 1999 mistake by Labour.

    Personally I think we should just copy Australia’s tax rates, they look pretty good and it’d be impossible for the right wing to claim capital flight:
    0 – $18,200 0%
    $18,201 – $37,000 19%
    $37,001 – $80,000 32.5%
    $80,001 – $180,000 37%
    $180,001 and over 45%

  2. The Lone Haranguer 2

    Works for me.

    I sell my Trust owned properties to my newly formed Company for their fair market value and pay tax on those rental profits at 28% (much friendlier rate than the 36% for high earners) and the company pays no dividends to me.

    As the Trust has equity, it advances the $$ for the purchase to my company interest free, repayable upon demands of course.

    Company uses its tax paid profits to repay the trust its loan (not income so no taxes involved) and the Trust just chooses to do a capital (read tax free) distribution to me. Or to just pay out my current account as thats in credit too.

    So I get to pay 28% tax and still use my money, and will probably arrange my affairs so that I personally earn around $70,000 to make good use of the progressive tax system in place.

    And I can unwind the deal when we get the next National Government……..

    Works for me.

    Note to the Labour People: You MUST ALIGN the top tax rate with both the company and the trust tax rate or else accounting and tax types will run buses (electric ones of course) thru the loopholes.

    • The Real Matthew 2.1

      You’d want to be careful not to trigger a depreciation recovery if the Trust owned the property prior to nil depreciation for Buildings coming in.

      I’d also like to hear your commercial reason for doing this as your scheme looks like a tax avoidance scheme that would breach the overarching avoidance provision.

      • The Lone Haranguer 2.1.1

        Yes it would trigger depreciation recovered. But I have to pay that money sooner or later.

        My reasons for such a change is primarily based around my age and poor health, definitely nothing to do with tax avoidance of course. No Government would argue against a mans declining health.

        Although the scenario I described is factually accurate, the reason for listing it it to stress that us accounting and tax types run buses thru dopey tax policy.

        Again Labour MUST ALIGN the top tax rates for trusts, companies and individuals or else theres room to avoid the taxes.

        • Tamati 2.1.1.1

          “No government would argue against a mans declining health”

          Probably not, but the commissioner for IRD probably wouldn’t give a fuck. He’d probably chase your estate too, after you die.

          • The Lone Haranguer 2.1.1.1.1

            You may be right, but my experience of the IRD is that they are actually very reasonable to deal with now and nothing like they were back in the 90s when Henderson was getting Hell from them.

            I would suggest that they are one of the best Government departments for dealing with now.

        • Ad 2.1.1.2

          So just to clarify: they have aligned the trust and top personal rates.

          But they are not dumb enough to further align that with the company rate as that would have serious competitiveness effects.

          • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.2.1

            The shareholders of NZ’s highly profitable big Aussie banks plus Telecom, MRP, Meridian etc. thank the Labour Party for leaving the company tax rate at a nice low “competitive” figure; they would have been forced to leave the country otherwise.

        • Sacha 2.1.1.3

          Fair enough. How does 45% across the board sound?

      • Tamati 2.1.2

        Sounds a lot like Penny and Hooper.

    • Tracey 2.2

      Exactly

      The tax rate is a glaring hole for legitimate tax avoidance. Tax lawyers and accountants trying to work out if theyshould vote for labour cos of how it will improve their workloads.

      This is what happens when you accept the system and tinker at the edges

    • Bearded Git 2.3

      Lone-fairness is the name of the game, though that is clearly irrelevant to you.

      The change of structure you are suggesting from a trust to a company is too complicated, expensive and time consuming for most people.

      Labour is cleverly hitting all of the people who have set up trusts to avoid tax. It’s a rort.

      • Colonial Viper 2.3.1

        The change of structure you are suggesting from a trust to a company is too complicated, expensive and time consuming for most people.

        Yep. But that means that the 10% will get whacked hard, but the 0.1% will walk away scot free yet again.

      • The Lone Haranguer 2.3.2

        BG, my fairness and your fairness may be different, but both are based upon opinion only. There is no “tax fairness” that is factual.

        You could quite rightly argue that I am rorting the system and I could quite rightly argue that I am paying too much tax.

        My example, tho accurate to my situation is really just there to show the loophole that needs to be sorted before Labour can implement their proposed tax changes.

        I studied taxation under FCT (Frank) Owen back in the 80s when Muldoon was controlling everything. Frank told us it was our duty as soon to be accountants, to wake up at 4am the morning after the budget and figure out ways for our clients to beat any tax increases.

        New Zealand needs a simple and inherently fair tax system that is easy to understand, easy to use and very hard to rort.

        • Colonial Viper 2.3.2.1

          New Zealand needs a simple and inherently fair tax system that is easy to understand, easy to use and very hard to rort.

          And that deserves a thumbs up…same with a social safety net via a UBI

        • Sacha 2.3.2.2

          “based upon opinion only”

          how Joyce must love you

    • Lanthanide 2.4

      You seem to have missed the point where the current company tax rate is 28% and the trust rate is 33%. So you can already do exactly what you’re saying.

      It was National who dropped the personal income tax rate from 38% to 33% and the trust rate to the same level, claiming they had to do it to close the tax loop-hole. Then they dropped the corporate rate from 30% to 28%, so the 5% gap between the tax rates is exactly what it was under Labour (38% vs 33%).

      • Colonial Viper 2.4.1

        I think TLH is saying that Labour is ramping up the incentive differential even further

        • Lanthanide 2.4.1.1

          Yes, but that’s not how he’s presented it. He’s made it look like a brand new thing he’ll be able to do under this policy, rather than something that parasites as he’s described wouldn’t already be doing. There is already a 5% incentive, so given the rich already have accountants, they’d be doing it.

          Furthermore he suggests it will all be unwound with the next National government, when actually this current National government had a chance to close the loophole, or at least reduce it, and instead they kept it exactly the same size while lying that they’d closed it.

          • The Lone Haranguer 2.4.1.1.1

            Then I offer my apology to you all.

            You are correct that its not a “brand new thing” but my point was that when messing with tax rates (as Labour is proposing) aim for rates where no one group gets favoured over the other. Or do a major rewrite of the tax laws to bring in some form of fairness.

            The last time this was actually done, was during the Lange government when Douglas cut the Muldoon rate from 66% to 33% and introduced GST.

            Im in favour of a UBI, the elimination of income tax and the introduction of a Hone Heke transaction tax along with GST increasing to 20% or 25% (including on imported stuff from Amazon etc)

            Our current tax system wont get fixed with a Labour Party lead tinkering around the tax rates.

            And when Labour introduced the 39% tax rate, you would be amazed how many private companies paid their shareholder/workers $70,000 and left the balance in the company. Shareholders who needed the extra $$ just did drawdowns on their current accounts. The cleaning out of the Company accrued profits came about via massive dividends after the tax rates were cut under National

  3. fisiani 3

    “Labour will also clamp down on tax avoidance by multi-national corporations because we believe that everyone should pay their fair share”

    So is this the Google and Facebook ban that David Clark talked about..

    oops My Bad . Labour quickly retreated from that suggestion. Today’s plan hinges on setting up a special commissioner for tax avoidance who would focus on multinational corporations.

    Under that commissioner, a new corporate tax unit would “embed” Inland Revenue Department (IRD) auditors in corporations which have a history of tax avoidance either in New Zealand or abroad.

    The embedded IRD officials would review multinationals’ financial plans where they may affect their tax bills to prevent tax avoidance from occurring in the first place.
    IRD spies everywhere.

  4. The Real Matthew 4

    Though I’m not a Labour voter I’d like to commend them for coming up with a votable policy.

    In previous times the raising of the top tax rate has occured at the $70,000 level which is too low in my opinion. Raising the top tax rate to 36% from $150,000 makes more sense as it targets the demographic you want to get at with this policy.

    The flip side is that the Trust tax is going to be easy to avoid. It will be beneficial from a tax perspective to pay trust income to any beneficiary (provided they are not a minor) up to the level whereby that beneficiary earns under $150,000. That’s a lot of income in many instances.

    • lprent 4.1

      In previous times the raising of the top tax rate has occured at the $70,000 level which is too low in my opinion

      It was at $60k, and it wasn’t at the time – 1999. Like this one it was targeted then at the top 2% of earners.

      The problem is that we don’t have a good mechanism to shift the tax bands as incomes rise with inflation and wage increases. This is a fiscal drag problem. So by the end I think that it was about 10-12% of income earners were in it.

      So band changes require slow legislation, computer upgrades, and consequently are frigging awkward to roll out. And governments like fiscal drag in terms of ever increasing amounts of tax take.

      Apart from the costs of getting payroll programs country wide to shift, the other technical issue with shifting bands was that the lump of old iron that the IRD calls a computer system, and is slowly currently replacing, wasn’t flexible enough to have frequent taxation shifts. They barely managed to get working for families working.

      • The Lone Haranguer 4.1.1

        “It was at $60k, and it wasn’t at the time – 1999. Like this one it was targeted then at the top 2% of earners”

        Actually, a policy that focuses on the top 2% is a quite sound idea. Despite what the guy from the Taxpayer Union says, its actually very hard to uproot my buildings and my business to Oz to reduce my tax burden.

        Really, its the multinationals who have the ability to shift profits between tax jurisdictions, and to pay almost no tax here, and that is the situation under the current tax regime and will continue under any Labour lead regime.

        Personally, I would like to see a higher GST, the introduction of a transaction tax and the elimination of personal income tax. But theres no party out there that agrees with me.

        • Lanthanide 4.1.1.1

          You’d be paying more tax in Oz anyway. Their rates are 37% that kicks in at $80k, and 45% that kicks in at $180k.

        • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1.2

          Low tax for me, high tax for thee

          GST is regressive and results in poor people paying a higher proportion of their income in taxes than the rich and you want more of it?

          Basically, what you’re asking for there is to let the rich off of paying taxes altogether.

      • Lanthanide 4.1.2

        Cunliffe proposed an automated bracket adjustment to account for inflation and was lambasted by National for the “chewing gum tax cuts”.

        So that’s why we can’t have nice things.

      • Clemgeopin 4.1.3

        Key and some posters on other websites are peddling the scare of Kiwi Saver funds being subjected to CGT. I did not see any announcement from Labour regarding that.

        My own understanding is that Capital Gains Tax only occurs when you SELL something , like a ( non primary) secondary house or land or may be business. I don’t believe Kiwi Saver will attract CGT because one does not SELL the Savings from Kiwi Saver.

        I am interested in comments/advice on this issue from those in the definite know.

        • Clemgeopin 4.1.3.1

          A poster on TV3 web side said that ‘dividends’ on investments will attract CGT and says therefore it affects Kiwi Saver.

          My reply was as follows:
          I doubt that. I will need to see the announcement from Labour first and not from Key or some RWNjobs. But EVEN if you are correct, it could easily be exempted by law because it will be a government economic initiative and includes compulsorily requirement to save and the funds are compulsorily locked until the retirement age.

          As I said, this issue does need clarification.

        • john 4.1.3.2

          I was looking for that in Labour’s policy as well. I’d previously understood they planned to tax shares and rental properties for capital gains.

          If they do that, then over two million Kiwisaver accounts will lose a big part of the returns they make.

    • wtl 4.2

      The flip side is that the Trust tax is going to be easy to avoid. It will be beneficial from a tax perspective to pay trust income to any beneficiary (provided they are not a minor) up to the level whereby that beneficiary earns under $150,000. That’s a lot of income in many instances.

      Yes, but the point of the Trust tax rate isn’t to put an additional tax burden on those who earn less than $150k, but instead to simply ensure that those that earn $150k or more can’t hide it in a trust to avoid the higher tax bracket.

      • Lanthanide 4.2.1

        “but instead to simply ensure that those that earn $150k or more can’t hide it in a trust to avoid the higher tax bracket.”

        Yes, but now they’ll hide it in a company instead, which has a 28% tax rate.

  5. Mary 5

    Good to see Labour sticking to its guns on welfare and the non-employed poor. Consistency – that’s what we need.

    • blue leopard 5.1

      There may be another way that governments can address the issues you cite of welfare and non-employed poor, however the only way I can see that can be done is through having money to either create jobs or raise welfare or both – this policy of Labour is a way of gaining more money without taxing those who will be hit by greater taxation and therefore vote against Labour.

      CV and DTB refer to ‘just printing money’ as a way governments can meet the greater revenue required to address the serious issues you raise. I am unsure whether this approach can simply be started up or requires a process to get to the point where money can ‘just be printed’ It must also be noted that this idea remains controversial and may be too ‘scary’ for the majority of voters to vote for, along a similar vein if Labour just said ‘we are going to raise welfare benefits and create jobs for those who can work this may well cause certain groups of New Zealanders to vote National rather than having this issue addressed, sad as that seems, I believe this may well be the case.

      I think Labour are sending out fairly strong yet somewhat coded signals that they know and intend to address the issues faced by those in the worst circumstances in New Zealand – I think this is about the only approach that can be pursued because in case you haven’t noticed there are a large number of New Zealanders who blame the poor for being poor and appear to express a combination of resentment and misguided envy toward these people. I believe the Labour Party recognises this and are addressing the issues in the best way they possibly can considering the sorry state of peoples’ attitudes in this country toward those in less fortunate circumstances than themselves.

      Or would you prefer for Labour to be blunt about the issue and risk not getting into government at all? How would that address the issues you feel need addressing?

      • Mary 5.1.1

        The trouble with such a Machiavellian approach is that it relies on trust and deception and, importantly, leaves the “blame the poor for being poor” attitude completely free to blossom into becoming an accepted part cultural fabric / values etc.

        It relies on trust because we must trust Labour to do the right thing when elected. The trouble with this is that Labour between 1999 and 2008 introduced a whole raft of welfare reform you’d expect from a National/Act government, many of which National tried but failed to introduce in the 1990s because the resistance was too great, including from Labour. And if you say “well, that was then and now is now” I’d say there’s no evidence at all to suggest Labour would do anything differently if in government, and every bit of evidence to suggest it wouldn’t do anything differently: heck, Labour’s even now supporting oppressive welfare reform introduced by the government!

        It also relies on deception because in order to get the votes its needs to become government it must dupe voters into believing “Labour’s tough on beneficiaries” when, if what you’re saying is correct, it isn’t at all. What happens then when Labour rolls out its wonderful new “participation for all” welfare scheme? Those voters who would’ve voted National had they known the truth would say “bloody Labour, can’t trust them, never voting for that lot again.”

        And by taking this line our collective hatred for the poor continues to balloon unaddressed, so every three years the fractured Left plays this stupid hush-hush game so that a bunch of untrustworthy Labour MPs can get elected to form a government that continues to hammer the poor in the same way it’s done for the last 30 years, whether in government or not.

        Some strategy that is. Not to mention the cultural mess this leaves in its wake. Yeah, great strategy.

        • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.1

          It relies on trust because we must trust Labour to do the right thing when elected.

          This is the critical point. The broad Left must FORCE a new Left govt to do the correct thing when it is in power, and hold it to firm account every day.

          If any political compromises are to be made – then capital has to make its fair share of compromises too.

        • blue leopard 5.1.1.2

          @ Mary,
          You raise some fair points of concern yet it simply ends up with the result of being more concerned about catering to the fuckwits who have attitudes based on ignorance, rather than bypassing them having the issue addressed.

          For example: The best start announcement was a policy that will lift unemployed parents income – that is pretty clear – did you hear the media and the bigoted types screeching about that aspect of it? No because they are too daft to work it out. The were gibbering on about how the threshold was too high instead. It requires something to hit them in the face for them to react to it and Labour didn’t bother being blatant and in doing so bypassed all the hysteria. Take care you are not conducting the same ‘only exists if it hits you in the face’ approach toward policies that Labour are announcing.

          Have you examples of Labour cultivating those ‘beneficiaries choose it’ attitudes? Shearer did it with his ‘beneficiary on the roof’ routine; however I haven’t heard anything along those lines since Cunliffe has been leader. I have heard plenty that quietly undermine such attitudes – ‘we all deserve a share’, ‘we need to create jobs there are not enough’, ‘ladders are being pulled up’, ‘opportunities are being taken away’ Cunliffe’s ‘get out of your leafy suburb’ comment that got slammed by Key/Media was all about acknowledging the poverty that is occurring in this country and responding to National’s denial of it and Grant Robertson only yesterday in parliament was conveying loud and clearly that ‘governments haven’t even been aiming for full employment’. Where, therefore, is the duping ‘voters into believing “Labour’s tough on beneficiaries”’ coming into it? From your imagination perhaps?

          They are providing information that anyone with half a brain can see that they have a better attitude toward what is causing the poverty- government policy – (not ‘choices’) and therefore how to solve it: via government policy, so the only people who would still consider Labour are blaming the poor and therefore going to punish them are those too thick to work out otherwise.

          Stop doing National’s work for them
          p.s. How do I know you are not a concern tr0ll?

          • weka 5.1.1.2.1

            The problem is that unless Labour recant the painter on the roof story somehow, we can never trust them. At what point will they be able to be honest and start addressing the bene bashing culture? At what point will they make actual redress to welfare policy? Are they going to roll back Bennett’s reforms? When? How will we know?

            Sorry, but I don’t like being a scapegoat for the greater good.

            btw, I think it’s important to differentiate between the two memes: blame the poor for being poor, and bene bashing. There are people with empathy for the poor, just not if they are on a benefit. That distinction shouldn’t be lost because it’s part of the NACT agenda of creating the division between people who should be allies – the deserving poor and the underclass who everyone else can hate on.

            • Colonial Viper 5.1.1.2.1.1

              In terms of “Labour being tough on beneficiaries.” I want to copy and paste in full a comment Mary made a while back (my emphasis):

              I’d really like to share your optimism, but how do you do that or expect that to happen when Labour keeps crapping on people, such as with the two social welfare amendments you refer to that Labour voted for? (By the way, I know about the Bill that extends criminality to partners of beneficiaries without the need for knowledge of the offending and that also removes the power not to recover debt, but what was the other one?)

              I’m more of the view that the rot is too deep and that if Labour is ever going to come right it needs to be destroyed at this election in the same way the nats were in 2002. It’s the only way we can try to regain some semblance of a true left party. I’d like to see Labour get trounced so badly it’s reduced to being regarded as a minor party. It is time to convey nothing but complete and utter disdain for Labour because nothing less has the slimmest chance of making them understand. That’s how bad Labour’s become.

              http://thestandard.org.nz/a-new-zealand-for-100-of-new-zealanders/#comment-804890

            • blue leopard 5.1.1.2.1.2

              @ Weka,

              I have just written two pretty lengthy comments on things I think Labour are doing that engenders trust for me so why are you asking me these questions?

              Considering I have suggested these and provided links and other suggestions in a similar conversation with you and Mary and all I got was ‘yes but… [I'm not prepared to trust them no matter what you say]…’ and ultimately some sort of ‘oh well you must be (actually it was are) a ‘loyal labour supporter’ so you would say that’ type response (which is incorrect by the way – loyal lefty not pinned to one party). So it seems like a futile game that is starting up again and I am not prepared to repeat it.

              To date Labour have rolled quite a few people since the bene bashing comment – Mr Pagani and Shearer come to mind – and Cunliffe got in a whole lot of new staff didn’t he? So it would appear a lot of the people who set up that bene bashing attitude have recieved consequences for such idiocy and aren’t there anymore.

              Perhaps you could answer some of the questions I posed?

              Or perhaps you could answer your own question yourself seeing as you are the one arguing for people who have lost trust? What do you think Labour could do or say to make people who have lost trust trust them again?

              Ultimately I don’t think there is anything that Labour can do or say if a person is dead set not to trust them. In which case there are other parties on the left that can be voted for for people who find themselves feeling this way about Labour.

              The trouble is, though, when people start dissing Labour too much (CV’s quote 5.1.1.2.1.1 above is a good example) I really think that is more likely going to be the type of message/attitude that is going to stop people voting altogether rather than voting for smaller parties because it appears people still think in a fairly binary manner toward the election decision. e.g. ‘Oh so Labour are fucked, that means National will get in, why bother voting’

              Whilst I agree it is good to define and clarify differences, there is a link between ‘blame the poor’ and bene-bashing. The whole ‘blame the poor’ idea is the foundation of bene-bashing if people didn’t believe people ‘made choices’ that got them there then the whole argument falls down/anger is diffused – I guess there are people who are more empathetic toward the poor than those who are poor who are on benefits, though it is odd isn’t it because I believe the majority of the most poor are on welfare, so that is interesting that you point that out.

      • Colonial Viper 5.1.2

        Or would you prefer for Labour to be blunt about the issue and risk not getting into government at all? How would that address the issues you feel need addressing?

        This is a common or possibly deliberate misconception of the Thorndon Bubble.

        When David Cunliffe took the leadership reins last year he was talking hard core lefty language around a ‘true Red Labour’ which wasn’t going to be like National but with “anaesthetic.”

        And Labour’s polling in the MSM polls was the highest that it has been since. Lesson – the real NZ electorate wants a gutsy, forthright, principled Labour to stand tall and resolute. The cautious (or cowardly) Thorndon Bubble advisors want nothing of the sort.

        CV and DTB refer to ‘just printing money’ as a way governments can meet the greater revenue required to address the serious issues you raise. I am unsure whether this approach can simply be started up or requires a process to get to the point where money can ‘just be printed’

        Step 1
        The Reserve Bank credits WINZ’s bank account with an extra couple of million a week.

        Step 2
        WINZ pays every beneficiary in the country, an extra $30 pw. Those on Super can get an extra $10 pw since they already got their $20pw back earlier on.

        Step 3
        DONE. New money successfully issued to the bottom 50% and immediately spent into the local economy.

        Now, that wasn’t hard, was it?

        • blue leopard 5.1.2.1

          Yes that is the best reasoning I have heard so far CV, re the amount of support around the time of that Leadership campaign – and I agree that people like forthright leadership – but were those 3 leaders speaking loudly out about raising welfare? I don’t think so.

          There was a lot of media airtime for Labour over that time and most of it was fairly positive and promising. I feel certain there is a correlation between simply airtime a party gets and poll results rising and could explain at least some of the jump in public polls.

          Cunliffe did well in politically active leftwing circles (i.e. the Labour membership)- for sure – with his stance and that is how he won the leadership (obviously), but the jury is still out for me on if Cunliffe/Labour were to come out and made an announcement that welfare was going to be raised by $100+ across the board (which is fairly well what is needed) whether this would be received as well by the wider public.

          Have you even been unemployed CV? I have spent quite some time on welfare and it would seem to me that there are a huge amount of people in the circles I have traveled in that really have very little empathy and even less understanding of what it means to be unemployed and how one ends up there (especially when ‘stuck’ there). People are quite content to come out and say some pretty counterproductive things when one is in such a situation. This is one of the problems with being on welfare for any length of time – there is a tendency to need to keep away from people in order to avoid really nasty and judgemental interactions with people. Having too many of these experiences just sinks one further into the cycle of despair making it more likely one gets stuck and the tendency to shy away from people because of it also is a trap because the less one socializes the less one is likely to get a job.

          I would really appreciate some more positive comments re Labour especially from you because yes Greens and Mana could win the election between them – but the most likely way the left win is for Labour to be in the mix too and constantly putting them down and painting them in the worse possible light is getting between me and experiencing a decent government by the end of the year. And it is not a good idea to get inbetween Leopards and where they need to get to. Don’t you know that already? GROWL ROAR :twisted:

          Labour are FAR BETTER THAN NATIONAL do you get it?? It might not matter to you who have jobs either way but for fucks sakes it makes a huge difference to those who lost all education opportunities in the last few years, who continue to have low wages and high costs and have a government who don’t even acknowledge that such conditions exist.

          If you don’t like Labour and prefer Greens, Mana or the Internet party then promote them, but please stop putting Labour down – I think what they are coming out with is hugely promising and actually quite a shift. Surely this response they are getting from the media at least is showing you that? There is something fairly threatening about Labour getting into government this time. It is threatening to the establishment. Do you think this is because they are just planning to conduct ‘business as usual’?

          So in short I suggest you stick your ‘Thornton Bubble’ theories where the sun don’t shine and wake up. Bill English was using that theory to attack Labour today in partiament FFS

          • Mary 5.1.2.1.1

            It’s such a pity you feel the need to add a sting at the end of your posts that are responses to others who obviously hold views fairly similar to your own. That last remark to CV adds nothing but a desire (for me, anyway) to hurl personal abuse straight back at you. Discussions between like-minded people can be amazingly constructive because they necessarily focus on refined differences that wouldn’t ordinarily get an airing. Your personal abuse is an unnecessary turn-off to want to even engage. I enjoyed reading the first two-thirds of your response to a post of mine above and even began drafting a further response but then saw what I was dealing with. Still might send it but it did make me want to accuse you of being someone who works in the Labour Research Unit, but I won’t stoop to your level. Fuckwit.

            • blue leopard 5.1.2.1.1.1

              Yeah Mary, tried being decent toward you last time – you responded with such a fixed attitude and level of disrespect, you showed no acknowledgement of ‘like-mindedness’ then so why mention it now? Did you expect me to be any different with you in future?

              As for hurling abuse go for it. I don’t give a damn. As I said, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were a Concern T, you appear very good at doing National’s work for them.

          • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.1.2

            Well, it is a difficult situation.

        • Olwyn 5.1.2.2

          When David Cunliffe took the leadership reins last year he was talking hard core lefty language around a ‘true Red Labour’ which wasn’t going to be like National but with “anaesthetic.”

          And Labour’s polling in the MSM polls was the highest that it has been since. Lesson – the real NZ electorate wants a gutsy, forthright, principled Labour to stand tall and resolute. The cautious (or cowardly) Thorndon Bubble advisors want nothing of the sort.

          I don’t think that the problem is entirely to do with the Thorndon bubble or the public’s lack of empathy for the poor. I think it is more to do with those whose political and economic clout exceeds that of the government. They can make it hard for you to get elected, and hard for you to govern if you do get elected.

          Look at the Liu business, which admittedly seems to have proved less than successful: A shrilly delivered, widely reported, baseless corruption claim accompanied by an unnerving poll, right at the point where the caucus was free to change leaders without input from the membership and affiliates. It was like a warning shot – go ahead without our approval and this is what you get. I think that the “we have to appeal to the middle class” claim is a euphemism for “we have to appease those who would make governing impossible if we did not.” Since the Liu thing, I have more sympathy for the Labour right, though I still very much disagree with them.

          • Colonial Viper 5.1.2.2.1

            Oh yeah. The power of the MSM and of organised financial capital is not to be toyed with. But the more timid you get, the weaker you get. And the weaker you get, the more timid you get. And as you lose mass support and mass understanding, then all you are doing is marking time until the day your signature and your sovereignty is a mere formality.

            And this is the biggest danger, one that you can see brewing in the US, the UK and other western countries. “Appeasement” of corporates and capitalists doesn’t work, and it doesn’t work for a simple reason: this class knows no such thing as rational self limitation.

            There is no point at which they say “OK, we’ve got enough, let’s leave a little bit on the table for the other people and for the Earth.”

            • Olwyn 5.1.2.2.1.1

              I agree wholeheartedly. The problem seems to be that leaders are weakened by the lack of mass support, and mass support dissolves when leaders are weak. We need to find a way of bringing the two components together.

          • blue leopard 5.1.2.2.2

            @ Olwyn,

            I also agree that ‘group’ is a power player that neither CV nor I mentioned and a big player. Good one for mentioning that!

            I do believe, though that one of the tools they use is manipulation of public opinion in order to be able to gain that leverage i.e. attitudes toward the poor have been cultivated by those with the resources to do so so that they can press their agenda. Such manipulation makes use of a fairly wide range of knowledge and is one of the reasons I think it is easier/quicker to work around the attitudes these creatures have cultivated rather than just tell people they shouldn’t think that way, (or assume that they don’t). i.e. I suspect once people have been manipulated it isn’t so easy to ‘unmanipulate’ them – certainly not in 100 days – it would require longer than that.

            One way of working around the problem of bad attitudes toward the poor is to improve the underlying reasons for why such attitudes have taken hold – which is what I see Cunliffe’s Labour Party moving on. i.e. if the working poor and beneficiaries have been pitted against one another – it might be more effective to raise conditions for the working poor so that they do not feel that beneficiaries ‘have it good’ (which apparently people do – because why else are they resented by some quarters?) Another way is to dissolve division amongst smaller groups by getting people to identify with a larger group i.e. the top 1% versus the 99% or the ‘have’ and ‘have nots’ as Labour commonly refer to.

            Another angle for addressing bad attitudes is that of awareness raising: i.e. the more people know what beneficiaries are actually living on and what their lives are like the less people would be susceptible to believing some are ‘choosing to bludge’. (Like what exactly are the pay offs supposed to be that leads to that supposed choice? ) Which is perhaps the angle that Mary and Weka are coming from. But if Labour aren’t doing that aspect, it doesn’t mean they aren’t addressing the issue from another angle.

  6. Tamati 6

    So much for Hooton et. al. claiming this would be the most left wing government in a generation. These tax brackets could hardly be described as socialism, pretty mild all round and considerable less than Britain and Australia.

    • The Lone Haranguer 6.1

      Hooten Hooton et al are 100% correct.

      Afterall, it you lot who bleat about the “neo-lib” Labour governments of the past decade. So if by chance Labour was to form a Government after 20 September, then surely it would be “the most left wing in a generation”

      [lprent: Please avoid the name moderation trap. Use the correct name. ]

  7. Ant 7

    I was expecting a bit more than a few tax changes from an “alternative budget” I guess its a pretty good euphemism for raising taxes though.

    • Tamati 7.1

      I think we have to bear in mind, that a coalition government wouldn’t necessarily follow Labour’s tax plan. The Greens of course would want to implement some of their policies, as would Mana-Internet.

      • fisiani 7.1.1

        A coalition of the damned would give us increased income tax, CGT on homes, baches, boats businesses and Kiwisaver accounts, Carbon Tax and a Hone Heke financial transactions tax.Tax Tax and more Tax

        • You_Fool 7.1.1.1

          While a coalition of the stupid will give us increased debt and no income

        • Tamati 7.1.1.2

          It would nice to know what they will actually deliver, by making a joint policy statement. Not at all hard, and would save the predictable ‘broken promises’ claim after the election.

        • Tracey 7.1.1.3

          nasties, for sale to the highest bidder, three legged pig with lipstick, ans son of satan is your choice fizzy… Highway Robbers?. Self righteous crossed with self interested

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.4

          And taxing enables SPEND SPEND SPEND, and as we all know government spending means we can fill up our pockets with economic activity.

          Don’t you want your share of some nice fat government manufacturing or infrastructure contracts, fizzy?

          • Kiwiri 7.1.1.4.1

            Labour’s alternative is preferable to National’s borrowing and shifting wealth to the rich.

            • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.4.1.1

              Oh yes. But the question of which is preferable is a different one to the question of what the country needs.

        • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.5

          Contrary to what RWNJs like Fisiani think we do actually need to pay for the services that government provides and that means tax. National, Act and UF always promise more for less which is always physically impossible which is why our society is crashing.

          • fisiani 7.1.1.5.1

            I do not regard myself as Right Wing and have never claimed to be so. I am as Right Wing as Damien O’Connor

            • Draco T Bastard 7.1.1.5.1.1

              And yet you always come out with right-wing slogans.

            • blue leopard 7.1.1.5.1.2

              O.k Fisiani, you have really got me curious over that one, what a stunning revelation; you do not consider yourself right wing? …what is the punchline? Do you consider Fascism right wing? Libertarianism?

              • McFlock

                Genghis Khan was an damned social1st extremist…

              • fender

                As suspected the punchline seems to be: no political self awareness, just a deep loyalty, love and admiration for anything and everything Key.

                • blue leopard

                  Fisiani’s comments are becoming increasingly blatantly fallacious – it is like Fisiani can’t even be bothered trying to convince anyone – which is a good thing because I think they would be pushing shit up hill trying to achieve that here. Sometimes it appears Fisiani is just having a laugh and is just entertaining itself.

            • NickS 7.1.1.5.1.3

              Prediction – fisi will not reply, for to do so would be far too “hard”.

              And so booking this comment for future reference :twisted:

  8. Jrobin 8

    I agree with blue leopard. Boosting minimum wage and creating jobs is a far more positive means of reducing poverty. And avoid being lacerated by voters who have been educated to believe that the poor are the enemy. Isn’t it better to get rid of this government by being subtle than be ideologically pure and watch the oil drilling and privatisation from the opposition benches.

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      Don’t you see that is the trap that has been laid out for us?

      You need money* to get the things you want for your country. But to get the money you have to destroy and exploit your country, your people and your environment.

      *money being keyboard entered electronic figures in electronic spreadsheets held on hard drives

    • blue leopard 8.2

      Thanks Jrobin,

      I thought this point was obvious but it seems it isn’t to many.

  9. john 9

    There’s a couple of problems with the Labour plan.

    1/ Upping the rate by 3% for those on over $150k will only gather an an extra $0.5b – that’s not even a 1% increase in the overall tax take.

    2/ As Australia found out, the amount of tax they thought they would collect in just a few year, actually took 15 years. People, particularly landlords, often keep houses for their retirement investment, or in a trust, and simple don’t sell them (and are even less likely to under a CGT ascheme) – hence no capital gains tax to pay.

    • felix 9.1

      That’s good.

      No complaints from you then re- ‘Labour is going to tax us all to hell’.

      • dave 9.1.1

        the people that going get taxed to hell are ones who don’t vote labour anyway so who gives a shit
        and lets call a spade a spade there’s a lot criminal tax avoidance which is theft going on since iam being over taxed because wankers at top don’t pay there fair share and people on at low and middle income earners cant make ends meet without top ups(welfare)(subsidy) paid for largely by over taxed new Zealanders because income ratios to costs are fucked up and the group at the top who pay sweet f all steal assets and rip us off i would be more happy to unleash cunliffe peters and Norman on them because iam fuckin angry that our economy and country has been trashed by the greed of the few at expense of the many so Felix,bm and the rest of the neoliberal cultists can go to hell

        • felix 9.1.1.1

          Sorry dave I’m finding that a bit hard to follow.

          Do you like Labour’s tax plan? john reckons it’s alright.

          • john 9.1.1.1.1

            Actually I don’t have a big problem with higher tax on over $150k – just that it gives an an overall increase in the governments tax take of less than 1%, so it’s certainly no magic bullet, and it won’t allow for much extra spending.

            The GCT is another issue – when it finally starts to take effect, it will largely be paid for by those at the bottom who live in rentals.

            It also has several other negative aspects.

            • Colonial Viper 9.1.1.1.1.1

              The GCT is another issue – when it finally starts to take effect, it will largely be paid for by those at the bottom who live in rentals.

              That’ why its important that about 20% of rentals in NZ are long term ones supplied by the Government.

              • john

                For 20% of rental properties, HNZ would need an additional 45,000 or so houses, costing around say $18 billion, which is a cost of about $7000 for every worker in the country.

                Good luck selling that one to voters.

                • Colonial Viper

                  The voters will get a solid rental return on the capital of each house, and we will be able to keep the retirement age at 65. What’s the problem?

                  • john

                    No they won’t.

                    Rentals typically get around 6%, minus 2-3% for maintenance, rates and insurance. That leaves a return of 3-4% (plus any capital gain you get in the long term). HNZ houses get even lower rentals.

                    Take away the capital gain (with either a CGT or for a govt who never sells), and you either get an appallingly low return, or rents need to go up significantly.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      3% to 4% rental return is fine if your cost of borrowing is zero. Silly billy, this is the NZ Government. Private sector landlords can’t compete.

                    • john

                      So you’ll borrow $18 billion at 0% interest?

                      The only way you’ll do that is by printing $18 billion, which is a nutty idea (even the extreme greens gave up on that).

                    • Colonial Viper

                      What’s the problem with borrowing $18B from yourself and paying yourself back over 25 years? What, you’d prefer to borrow that money from JP Morgan instead, because their money is somehow more legit?

                    • john

                      Because effectively steals $18 billion off the country, through inflation.

                      If it was a good idea, every government everywhere could simply pay for everything by printing money – every person could be on a huge benefit, we could all be rich, and no one in the country would have to work.

                      Meanwhile, back on planet earth….

                    • vto

                      yes john, I mean gosman, I mean srylands, nobody prints $billions each and every month do they ….

                      nope

                      not your favourite Zimbabwe, not the privately owned federal reserve in the US, not the bank of England, nope, nobody, not even westpac or bnz or anz

                      nope

                      cant print money unless it is a privately owned bank

                      you are truly hopeless gosman

                    • john

                      vto – so why doesn’t everyone just print money instead of taxing people?

                      And you’re equally as wrong at thinking I’m someone else.

                    • vto

                      why does the privately owned federal reserve print money?

                      why does the bank of england print money?

                      • and I think you are someone else from a previous pseudonym. You show the exact same simpleton characteristics
                    • Colonial Viper

                      If there are any signs of inflation caused by injections of new money, simply tax the money back out of the economy and cool it down. No problem there.

                      And with house prices cooling down due to new state rental builds, inflation will be tamped down anyway.

                    • john

                      You are confusing quantitative easing as done by US and UK (where the Central Banks gets private financial institutions to lend out more money to businesses)….. and printing money so the government can use it to pay their bills (i.e. Zimbabwe).

                    • Colonial Viper

                      No I’m not :)

                      And that’s not the way QE actually ended up working :)

                    • john

                      Wrong.

                      Quantitative Easing as in the UK and US is where the govt buys bonds off private institutions.

                      THE GOVT DOESN’T SPEND THE MONEY – the private institutions LEND it out.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      wrong – the central bank buys the private toxic assets with the newly issued cash. Nothing to do with the governments.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Where does money come from John?

                      As soon as you answer that question you’ll understand that the government printing money and spending it into the economy works better than leaving the private banks to create it.

                    • john

                      Colonial Viper – you’ve argued yourself into a circle and just bitten your tail.

                      First you want govt to print $18b to build houses.

                      Now you’re arguing its “Nothing to do with the governments.”

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      John, my understanding of QE is that the central bank buys bonds etc. with money that previously did not exist. In other words, they (digitally) print more money. That frees up the institutions to invest as you suggest. But the key thing you seem to be missing is that the Government both prints and spends the money. Sure, it’s not spent on ‘paying the bills’, but it is spent.

                    • john

                      Dracos got it wrong as well – the UK and US governments are not spending the money.

                      They are buying bonds off private financial institutions. The private institutions then have excess money to lend, which the lend out at low interest rates.

                      This is different to a government printing money to pay it’s bills like Zimbabwe and Nazi Germany did (and is illegal for the likes of the UK and other signatories to the Maastricht Treaty).

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Dracos got it wrong as well – the UK and US governments are not spending the money.

                      I didn’t say that they were. I said it would be better if they did so. The present rounds of QE only benefit the banks and not society.

                    • Te Reo Putake

                      Yeah, John, the Economist got it wrong, too. Sigh.

                      http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/01/economist-explains-7

                    • Colonial Viper

                      johns being a little toady fuckwit now.

                      The NZ Govt spending into existence new NZD to build housing, resilient infrastructure and create full employment has nothing to do with US QE and it has nothing to do with Zimbabwe.

                      Of course, he knows this, he just wants to gum up the discussion like a diseased dick.

                    • john

                      Te Reo Putake, you got the first bit right. But govts don’t spend the money as such – institutions lend it out.

                      One of the problems it causes is bond returns become very low. In the UK, many pension funds pay out pensions from returns on bonds, but with QE the return was so low that they had to start selling the actual bonds.

                      So UK Pensions Funds lost over GPB312 Billion – a loss not very different from the GBP375 Billion that was pumped into the economy with QE.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Brilliant, so john now states that the financial oligarchy have been punishing pensioners and savers with both ZIRP (and finally now NIRP).

                      That’s news which is only 4-5 years old. And still nothing to do with the NZ Government, sovereign issuer of NZD, spending money in order to build houses, build resilient infrastructure, and create full employment.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And here is Max Keiser talking about how savers and pensioners have been raped by the oligarchic financial ponzi scheme – in Sept 2011.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WwjcX38JAs

                    • john

                      Te Reo Putake – Your Economist link backs me up.

                      If you read your link, you’ll see QE is used only after dropping interest rates to near zero has failed to resuscitate the economy.

                      NZ never got that bad.

                      QE is a signal of an economy in serious trouble, done as a last ditch desperate measure when interest rates can’t go lower.

                      It’s nuts that you’d want to start QE when NZ has the opposite problem – interest rates going up. It would make the problems here worse – not better

                    • Colonial Viper

                      And here is john now pretending that what we have been talking about is running US style QE in NZ.

                      John, please get up with the play.

                    • john

                      Colonial Viper says “The NZ Govt spending into existence new NZD to build housing, resilient infrastructure and create full employment has nothing to do with US QE and it has nothing to do with Zimbabwe.

                      Of course it does. That’s why printing money for direct government spending is completely ILLEGAL in pretty much every first world country.

                      If it was such a good idea as you think, then why doesn’t every government simply print money for everything it need to spend on?

                      All government spending could simply come from printing money.

                      No one would have to pay tax.

                      Everyone could live on a generous benefit.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      John, no one’s mentioned Quantitative Easing for NZ. We’ve just said that the government should create money and spend it into the economy balanced by taxes.

                    • john

                      Colonial Viper says “And here is john now pretending that what we have been talking about is running US style QE in NZ.”

                      You’ve already explained you want print money for the govt to spend directly on infrastructure – exactly what Zimbabwe was doing.

                      It’s a total fruitcake idea, which is why the only countries in the world printing money are desperate basket cases.

                    • john

                      Draco says “We’ve just said that the government should create money and spend it into the economy balanced by taxes.”

                      But that’s total nuts – countries that do that are basket cases.

                      Here’s why it doesn’t work.
                      http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/634/economics/the-problem-with-printing-money/

                      And again, if it did work, the government could just print money for ALL it’s payments, everyone could go on the dole, and no one would have to do any work.

                      This is like arguing with someone who insists there really IS $15m waiting for them in Nigeria, and it IS possible to create masses of wealth out of nothing.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So that everyone is aware:

                      john is speaking on behalf of the private banking and financial system.

                      For whatever reason, he wishes people to ignore the fact that sovereign issuance of money should lie solely with sovereign nations, not with the banksters who currently run our financial system.

                      You can be sure that sovereign nations routinely issue their own notes and coinage (just check your pockets).

                      The problem is nowadays that a very large proportion of our money supply is provided by profit driven private banking and financial interests.

                      John would like it to remain that way, because once a nation retakes sovereign issuance of currency, the power and influence of the international bankster and financier cartel diminishes enormously.

                    • blue leopard

                      @ John,

                      But isn’t that what the banks are doing? They are pouring money into the economy and it is being spent on houses and look at the prices of houses.

                      Why don’t the reserve banks buy government bonds at least? The government could spend the money on creating things, therefore the problem of ‘the same amount of resources’ (and services) would be obviated?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      In order to develop your thinking about money, it is crucial to identify that in NZ, as in many western countries currently, there is a vast amount of productive capacity and human talent sitting idle, in fact, in a kind of wasteful idleness, because of an artificial and deliberate shortage of money being enforced on 90% of the community.

                      Factories, machines, workers, artists, writers, etc who want to work and add to our communities and our real physical economy cannot – they are in fact being left to rot idle while the top 10%, but particularly the top 1% hoard money and financial assets in electronic accounts and ponzi markets where they do human society as a whole no good.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      But John, that’s how the creation of money works now with the proviso that, ATM, it’s the private banks that create the money, charge interest on it but don’t create enough money to pay the interest resulting in the country having to go ever further into debt. This descent into debt requires ever more growth on a finite planet which means the present system has the total destruction of life on Earth contained within it.

                      Now, which one’s nuts? The one that allows a stable state sustainable economy or the one that ensures destruction?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      You’ve already explained you want print money for the govt to spend directly on infrastructure – exactly what Zimbabwe was doing.

                      john here proves once more that he is a fucking liar, by trying to make equivalent what Zimbabwe did in destroying their productive economy, with what NZ should do, in building our economy and putting our people to work in well funded debt free creative and productive enterprises.

                      In other words, john reveals himself to be a traitor to the NZ people, and someone who is happy to argue against the interests of the nation and of Kiwis in general.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      It’s also critical to understand that the vast majority of money (and its near cousin “credit”) is created by electronic keystrokes in the modern monetary system, it is not “printed.”

                      Money in other words is a kind of score keeping talley on a spreadsheet, with an add in this cell balanced with a subtraction in another cell.

                      There is nothing mysterious about this in the least, it is also very easy to create new money in the system by entering in additional electronic digits.

                    • john

                      Colonial Viper – you go and find a country that’s printing money to fund it’s operations and I’ll show you a basket case with out of control inflation.

                      That’s why it’s illegal in first world countries.

                      And despite request after request, you’ve been totally unable to answer why we don’t just print money for ALL govt spending, if your idea is so good.

                      You’ve failed and failed, and failed to explain that.

                      We’re one of the BEST performing economies in the world, and you want to copy the economic policies of the world’s WORST basket cases.

                      There’s a big clue in the sentence above.

                      But you’ll never see that while you’ve got the blinkers on and heading for that magic $15m with your name on it in Nigeria, or the equivalent of it – that printing money is a way governments can magically spend up big time without ever having to pay anything.

                    • john

                      Colonial Viper – your ranting is getting really boring.

                      There’s a couple of hundred countries in the world – you should be able to find a country doing what you suggest. They’re easy to find – just look for a list of countries by inflation figures.

                      Have a look at those countries that have hyper-inflation, and I’ll guarantee that they are economic basket cases doing exactly as you suggest.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      to general readers:

                      john here is a financial drug dealer. He would like to keep NZ hooked on having to borrow NZ dollars from his mates, foreign financial institutions at interest, instead of having NZ independently issue NZ dollars itself interest free, in the needed amounts required (no more, no less) to fully utilise our own people, resources and factories, and to pay a living wage.

                      john also knows nothing about the financial and economic situations of Zimbabwe nor Nigeria (2 extremely different countries), and of course, he doesn’t understand why NZ is a very different example again.

                      In essence, we need to carve our own unique way forward out of the debt based money creation system that we (and the rest of the western world) is currently locked into.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Have a look at those countries that have hyper-inflation, and I’ll guarantee that they are economic basket cases doing exactly as you suggest.

                      Here, john demonstrates his ignorance, and his lies, servicing his masters, foreign financial institutions desperate to maintain their monopoly on the money supply to countries.

                      Firstly “hyper-inflation” requires very specific circumstances, usually including a capital strike organised by world financial markets, and a real-economy sanction organised by the powerful western governments controlled by major banking interests.

                      Some degree of war or civil war is also usually required for a currency collapse, as is destruction of the productive infrastructure of the country (factories, farms, etc.)

                      Loss of an effective taxation system, rampant corruption and/or requirements to service excessive debt in foreign hard currencies usually rounds off the requirements for a currency collapse leading to hyper-inflation.

                      John of course, doesn’t understand any of these dynamics.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      you go and find a country that’s printing money to fund it’s operations and I’ll show you a basket case with out of control inflation.

                      We have out of control inflation now caused by excessive printing of money. Sure, it’s limited to house prices but it’s certainly there.

                      It’s kinda interesting that the rich go on about wage/price inflation and why that means wages need to be kept down but they never consider the inflation caused by their own excessive incomes. In fact, in the case of houses, they consider it a good investment.

                      And despite request after request, you’ve been totally unable to answer why we don’t just print money for ALL govt spending, if your idea is so good.

                      That’s why it’s illegal in first world countries.

                      No, it’s illegal because being rich and living on other peoples work would no longer be an option. That’s the thing about living in an oligarchy – the rules are set up to protect the rich rather than being good for the society.

                      We’re one of the BEST performing economies in the world

                      Actually, under present policies, we’re going backwards. Another decade or so and we’ll be the basket case you think we’d be if we followed rational monetary policies.

                      that printing money is a way governments can magically spend up big time without ever having to pay anything.

                      Nobody’s suggested that either. I think it must be your ideological blindness getting in the way making you see things that aren’t there.

            • felix 9.1.1.1.1.2

              I agree, the top rate needs to be a bit higher. 36% is very low.

              • Herodotus

                At least the govt receives all PAYE tax as a result of their wages be it $1 or $1+m. Better IMO to seek out the cash society, black and grey markets that pay Nil tax, and with this announcement are still not targeted. :-(

                • felix

                  The grey market is the one that lives in the cracks between the top personal, company, and trust rates.

                  Align those and suddenly a whole lot of tax avoidance is a waste of time.

  10. dave 10

    a lot us haven’t had wage rises in a decade despite what John key says and you can tell small and medium businesses are dying as wealth get ever more concentrated at the top end houses are a dream know for the lucky few ! i really really hope we get a coalition government with mix of best policy’s each party has to offer because WE NEED CHANGE because neolibralism has been a disaster

  11. Mike the Savage One 11

    So much for Labour’s move to its “roots”, and being “left”, haha.

    The tax rate of about 36 per cent should rather start with 100 k per annum, or even 80 k per annum, and income over 150 k per annum should be taxed at least at 38 per cent income tax.

    Trust law must be reformed, to restrict what trusts can be used for, and it should be made more difficult, to use trusts to re-arrange business and income situations, in order to avoid taxes. Using trusts in co-ordination with ongoing ordinary businesses, and with certain investments to generate earnings for profit, must be stopped.

    Trusts should be used only temporarily, or for very restricted purposes, for administering certain estates and the likes, and for financing not for profit operations. When we have doctors and others use trusts to pay their own incomes, and otherwise shelter earnings from limited companies, then this is an invitation to abuse. Maybe there have been some changes already, but some comments above seem to show, how trust funds can be shifted quite freely between companies and the trust and so.

    But with their alternative budget Labour seem to be keen to not “upset” the existing status quo in the business, finance and investment world, and to not “scare” the many upper middle class and also many other middle class small time investors, and some good earners. Too little revenue will be earned from the top 2 per cent of income earners, which will mean, the talk about investment in education, health and so will be rather “moderate” after all. I see little changes ahead with such policies, that is, unless there are other significant tweaks to the present system.

    A Capital Gains Tax will also only start bringing in revenue after a few years of it being introduced, and that will not deliver all that much either, I am afraid.

    There is going to be no change to GST, so many ordinary consumers will pay a lot of the whole tax take, including the poorer ones, and I hear and read nothing about a transaction tax or any thing like that.

    The minimum wage of 15 dollars will only be marginally above the present adult minimum wage rate, and with inflation going to increase more soon, the 16 dollars per hour will also not be such a great leap ahead for low paid, as that additional income may lead to some less entitlements in other areas (WFF or accommodation supplements and so).

    I am a bit disappointed, to be honest.

  12. DS 12

    Before people get excited about trust loopholes: the last decade or so has seen a massive tightening up of trust law in this country. You now can’t set up a trust to either avoid tax or avoid creditors, and the courts are very comfortable with looking behind the curtain on either point.

    So by all means, go ahead with your trust schemes to evade the proposed top tax rate. Just don’t be surprised when the IRD comes knocking on your door anyway.

  13. Ergo Robertina 13

    Top rate of personal income tax 36 cents, three cents lower than the 2011 manifesto.
    Again Labour moves to the right of the 2011 package (GST off fruit and veges, employer contribs to KiwiSaver, tax-free $10,000 threshold).
    In 2012, Cunliffe said voters rejected Labour as there was little difference between it and National (apart from asset sales). Based on speeches like that to the New Lynn women’s branch he was voted to lead the party, and promptly took it to the right. He also helped neutralise resistance to the TPPA and the Super age rise.
    A commenter last week mocked others here for holding Labour responsible for Rogernomics, saying no-one cares any more what happened 30 years back. But it seems to me the reason David was voted to the leadership was in large part for acknowledging and explaining the past, and the mistakes that were made. But now he seems intent on repeating them.

    ‘Those voters saw that our policies – with the exception of asset sales – were mostly the same as National’s. So we can’t really be surprised at the result.’ – Speech to New Lynn women’s branch, April 29, 2012.

  14. Jepenseque 14

    Hi, The proposed capital gains tax is projected to be earning $1.035B by fy20/21. What assumptions for asset price inflation is used to reach these numbers? That implies circa 6.9b in realised taxable cap gains in that year. Particularly interested in what this implies for house price inflation.

    Labours release says modelled by berl but cant find it anywhere. Cheers

  15. john 15

    So there’s a claim Labour will spend more on health and education, pay off more debt, start NZ Super payment again, AND build thousands of houses.

    Yet according to the fiscal plan on the Labour Party website, ALL the new tax initiatives totalled will bring in a total of less than $0.25B – that’s less than half of 1% increase in the overall tax take.

    Monthly fluctuations are bigger than that.

    And after three years it’s still only $0.5b – less than a 1% increase after a whole term of govt.

  16. blue leopard 16

    @ CV,

    That bit about your and DTB’s idea – I ignored it because I didn’t want the conversation to be deviated from its focus – but wanted to return to what you said. I am questioning the political process of setting it up, not solely the physical process – i.e. would it be suitable for a government to simply set up that approach? – or would it be something that needs public input – or at least a process, such as going through parliament? Obviously according to you (I don’t know much about it) it is a simple procedure, but it seems to me that a process through parliament might be required rather than just changing the accounting methods.

    • Colonial Viper 16.1

      It will probably require an Act allowing the government to order the Reserve Bank to create the required funds: in very specific circumstances, in very specific amounts, at very specific timings, for very specific purposes. All the “machinery” required to actually create the electronic money and deposit it into accounts within the local banking system already exists.

      Remember, today the Reserve Bank orders the printing of new notes and minting of new coins at its discretion, and releases them into the economy, at its discretion. These new powers are not that different.

      • blue leopard 16.1.1

        Thanks, I hadn’t realised until you explained it to me (a week or so ago) that the ‘physical’ process was so easily conducted and that was a question that played on my mind since – re the policy process that would be required. It would require fairly serious checks and balances wouldn’t it? Otherwise the detrimental effects commonly cited by people who object to the idea would occur; the money would need to be spent on production, yet services would suffice wouldn’t they?

        • Colonial Viper 16.1.1.1

          Responsibility, accountability and transparency of all government monies spent would need to be well enforced. But we do that quite well now anyway and have serious checks and balances in place which could be easily beefed up.

          Money spent in the private sector would require steps to ensure that only highly competitive and well put together tenders were considered. Sharp competition is key.

          Money spent in the public sector would require a high level of accountability, traceability and transparency. Those responsible for sign offs and using the money have their jobs on the line in terms of delivering good results for least cost.

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    I rise on behalf of the Green Party to talk about inequality and disability.The recent census showed that nearly one in four New Zealanders lives with a disability—up from one in five in the previous census. These figures include some...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Child poverty: No more wake-up calls
    A new report which shows the National Government has made no inroads whatsoever into child poverty should do more than just set alarm bells ringing, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “UNICEF’s  latest Innocenti Report Card highlights the fact...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Eugenie Sage speaks in the 2014 Address in Reply Debate
    I congratulate you, Assistant Speaker Mallard, as Assistant Speaker and look forward to your knowledge, your fairness, and your light touch in being a referee of proceedings in this House. I congratulate also the other Assistant Speaker, Lindsay Tisch; the...
    Greens | 28-10
  • James Shaw’s Maiden Speech
    Tena Koe, Mr Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to speak a little of the past, the present and the future. The privilege to serve in this Parliament was given to me by all those who gave their...
    Greens | 28-10
  • Govt airs real views on public broadcasting
    An admission by the Government that it is happy to experiment with Pacific and Maori audiences shows just how weak its vision for public broadcasting in New Zealand is, Labour’s Broadcasting spokesperson Kris Faafoi says. “National today admitted it doesn’t...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Does Judith Collins have a get out of jail card?
    Former justice minister Judith Collins appears to have been gifted a get out of jail free card based on the Prime Minister’s answers in Parliament today, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “Judith Collins claimed in an Official Information...
    Labour | 28-10
  • Solid Energy decision delay sensible
    Today’s announcement by the Board of Solid Energy that it will delay making a final decision on re-entering the Pike River mine is a sensible move, Labour’s MP for  West Coast-Tasman Damien O’Connor says. “It has been clear for some...
    Labour | 28-10
  • New York Green Bank off to a $1B start
    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced late last week the New York Green Bank’s first NZD$1 billion tranche of green energy investments. The projects, which are difficult for the private sector to finance, are now possible by New York Green...
    Greens | 28-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Blockade the Budget
    The ‘Independent’ Police Conduct Authority’s report into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash The report released by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is a whitewash riddled with inaccuracies....
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • When National claim new anti worker laws provide ‘flexibility’ they mea...
    And so it comes to pass. The first law National ram through as part of their victory march are new anti worker laws they pretend will generate ‘flexibility’. The new law denigrate the unions ability to protect workers and provide...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • City Transport: A Taxing Matter
    This week the prospect of paying tolls on Auckland motorways became a hot topic. (See Mathew Dearnaley:Motorway tolling could hit some hard, NZ Herald, 30 Oct 2014.) As we might expect, the kneejerk response has been quite negative. But, as with...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Open Letter to Amy Adams: Please Reopen The Review Into Sexual Violence Cou...
    Ms Amy Adams, Justice and Courts Minister, Right now in this country it seems that although rape is illegal, it is not being prevented by the agents who uphold the law. It almost feels like rape is only illegal on paper,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmm
    Every so often in politics, a public figure comes out with something so absurd and so outlandish … that it really does just make you go “Hmmmmmmmmmm”. We’re accustomed to this from certain quarters – by mid point through the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Poverty & inequality don’t need protest marches – they need a riot:...
    The global level of inequality continues to skyrocket… Number of billionaires doubled since financial crisis The number of billionaires has doubled since the start of the financial crisis, according to a major new report from anti-poverty campaigners. According to Oxfam,...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • If Key knows who Rawshark is…
    I’m sorry, what? John Key ‘given Rawshark’s name’The Prime Minister believes he knows who hacked Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater’s computer and produced the source material for Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics, according to a new edition of a recently published...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Child Poverty stats in NZ
    Child Poverty stats in NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 30-10
  • Crimes Act + Police Investigation = WTF
    Just to frame the farce that is the Roastbuster’s investigation and conclusion – here are the parts of the Crime Act http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/whole.html#DLM329057  the Roastbusters are proven to have violated – that the police (and some suspects!) themselves acknowledge occurred: Crimes...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Publishing Journalists’ Home Addresses Is A Tactic Of The Right, Not The ...
    I think I’m starting to get rather annoyed with the conduct of some pro-MANA people over this ongoing Parliamentary Services crew complement issue. Yes, we get that there are legitimate issues to be raised with how some political reporters in...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Aucklanders caught between a tarseal-addicted government and a weak mayor
    Len Brown’s proposal for motorway tolls to reduce congestion and provide funding for better public transport is a weak response to a critical issue. The $12 billion dollar shortfall on transport funding he talks about is mainly for projected new...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • A Very Weird Story: Deconstructing Darren Aronofsky’s Noah.
    NOAH is a curious movie. Conceived as a biblical epic, it’s target audience was originally the millions of Americans who regard the Bible as God’s inerrant word. With the sin-filled works of Hollywood forbidden to these true-believers, Christian movie-makers have developed...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • You Can Get Away With Rape In New Zealand
    Jessie Hume with last years petition against rape     The police have sent a strong message today.  In fact they’ve been sending a strong message for a while; a message that our government supports. “You can literally get away...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Roast Buster case – no charges. In the immortal words of NWA…
    Roast Busters case: No prosecutions Police are to make an announcement this afternoon on Operation Clover, the investigation into the “Roast Busters” allegations. The Herald understands the victim has been told that the alleged offenders will not be prosecuted due...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Key’s flag change distraction to cost $26million!
    No. Way. Bid to change NZ flag to cost millions The cost of holding two referendums and consulting on a change of flag has been estimated to be just under $26 million. Look. We all appreciate that the sleepy hobbits...
    The Daily Blog | 29-10
  • Why NZ Herald’s Labour Party crocodile tears are so audacious
    The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away with it No one can take the recent columns by NZ Herald seriously… John Armstrong: Shadow lingers on National John Roughan: Labour’s leadership vote matters...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • The beginning of the end of Cameron Slater?
    Slater postings on man bizarre, court told A businessman has changed his appearance and had to install extra security at his home after Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater posted his business and personal documents online, he says. Mr Slater has...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • We are a milk power republic and Fonterra our unelected senate
    Wow. Just wow… Deputy mayor says he’ll be sacked South Taranaki deputy mayor Alex Ballantyne says he expects to be sacked because he has spoken out about the impact gasses coming from dumped Fonterra dairy products have had on his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: “…But *actually* this is about ethics in political-game jo...
    Yesterday, a piece of mine on the recent revelations about Hone Harawira employing several gentlemen either accused or convicted of sex offences was published on The Daily Blog. Predictably, given the fierce loyalty which Hone inspires in his party faithful and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Privilege cheque
    There was no race problem in my childhood. Living in central Wellington I was well-insulated from what was going on not so far away. This was the 60s and 70s, where the teachers enjoyed free love in the staff room...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • A brief word on Key’s claim that it will be raining carnage
    Isis will ‘rain carnage on the world’ – John Key Left unchecked Isis would “rain carnage on the world”, Prime Minister John Key says, but he has yet to make a decision on whether New Zealand troops will join a...
    The Daily Blog | 28-10
  • Meanwhile…
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    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • How does Andrew Little win Labour Leadership and unify the caucus?
    Audrey Young’s excellent column on how the Caucus vote  is shaping up shows how Andrew Little becomes the next leader of the Labour Party. She identifies the factions as the following… Andrew Little 6: Andrew Little, David Cunliffe, Iain Lees Galloway,...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Right of response to Curwen
    You have asked that Hone Harawira deserves to explain what happened, how would he explain when his next door neighbour is an alleged sex offender. What explanation can Hone offer he wasn’t involved, Hone had no idea this offending was...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • MEDIA WATCH: That Hella-Weird Feeling When You Defend Tova O’Brien
    Oh dear. Yesterday morning I blogged that Hone deserved a chance to explain what exactly had happened as applies his office’s Parliamentary Services crew complement – and, importantly, that we deserve to be able to judge him on the strength of...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Canadian Green MP warns against harsh anti-terror measures
    Canada’s Green Party has provided a welcome counterpoint to Prime Minister Harper’s call for tougher anti-terrorism laws in the wake of a soldier outside the Canadian Parliament. On October 22, while she was still locked in her parliamentary office, Green...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • When is an asset sale not an asset sale? When it robs from the poor and ste...
    National have turned state housing on its head. At no time during the 2014 election did the Key Government even hint that they were going to privatise 30% of the Housing NZ stock of state homes. Not once. Key even...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part To...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Rua) . Bill English comes clean on National’s intentions for HNZ privatisation . On 14 October, in a report on The Daily Blog, I wrote, In...
    The Daily Blog | 27-10
  • The Questions Have Been Asked – They Deserve An Answer
    A few days ago, allegations that had been percolating for some time about Hone Harawira employing three either accused or convicted sex offenders on his Parliamentary pay-roll came to light. (one imprisoned before working for MANA; one who found himself convicted and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • I have seen one future, and it is bleak
    . . Back in  March 2012, I wrote this story regarding a march to support striking workers at Ports of Auckland. It appears there was some prescience about some of my observations at the time… . | | 18 March...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • US air strike war Key wants us in has killed a civilian a day so far
      The US air strike war that John Key wants us to join has killed a civilian a day so far. From the Washington Post... The United States launched its first airstrikes on militants in Syria on Sept. 23, and has continued...
    The Daily Blog | 26-10
  • The instant Jihad syndrome
    My favourite new term is ‘self-radicalised’ – it suggests the reasons for terrorism are totally divorced from the actions of the West. This need to suddenly ramp up terror laws because of lone wolf, self-radicalised Jihadists seems convenient and counter-productive....
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • We have nothing to fear from Ebola but fear itself
    I suspect most Americans perceive Ebola like this   I can’t work out if the fear being spread within the media about Ebola is deliberate or just ignorance. Yes Ebola is a terrible plague that kills a large percentage of...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – “Meritocracy? I wish.”
    I’d like to start by linking to a post I had published at another site in support of Nanaia Mahuta for the Labour Party leadership election.  She has a reasonable chance, given that she already has the endorsement of Te...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Chocolate milk shortage and creepy Santa? Let’s talk about real news
    Child poverty is still a scarily serious problem in this country and house prices are soaring through the roof to the point where it is simply impossible for the average New Zealander to buy a home. There is also little...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • It’s time to celebrate Kiwi schools and teachers
    Some would have you believe that New Zealand’s schools are in a state of collapse, that your children are not being educated well and that things are going to hell in a hand basket.  That there is no innovation, no...
    The Daily Blog | 25-10
  • Ideological Blitzkrieg – Privatization of state housing, more charter sch...
    Pundits in pundit land will tell you that this Government is boring, that Key is the great pragmatist and that it is his ability to create elegant solutions that keeps him the firm favourite in many Kiwi eyes. This ability...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • Hegemony rules but resistance is fertile
    The Prime Minister is a puppet. Not just our current Prime Minister, but given the forces of multinational globalisation, the role of any head of state, is less as independent actor, and more as a puppet of international trends and...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • An open Letter to Sir Bob Jones: demanding a ‘liveable wage’ is not “...
    How out of touch with reality is Sir Bob Jones? You know, that white dude who invested in privatised SOEs after the selling off of our assets in the eighties and made a ludicrous and disgusting amount of money and is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • My insecurity about the Security Council
    As I write this (on 24 October) it is international UN Day. Of course, you all knew that already, right? Well, the day celebrates the entry into force of the UN Charter in 1945. With the ratification of this founding...
    The Daily Blog | 24-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Back in That House
    Parliament opened this week and I still find it a very odd place. Most of the people are reasonably courteous and friendly, but the rituals are archaic and the rules around issues like the swearing in oath are oppressive and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Marae Investigates No More
    TVNZ yesterday announced the closure of their Māori and Pacific programmes department. That means they’ve chosen to stop making Fresh, Tagata Pasifika, Waka Huia and Marae Investigates to let independent producers get their hands on these lucrative contracts. This is...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • BLOGWATCH: An Un-Civil War in Labour, eh?
    Earlier today, my attention was directed to an entry that’s just recently appeared on the Slightly Left of Centre blog. It purports to contain the ‘inside word’ from a highly placed NZF source – which is funny, because I’m pretty sure...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Santanomics 101
    Santanomics could mean a number of things. It could be the study and practice of giving. Or it could mean the study and practice of rampant end-of-year commercialism. However, for me today it is the economics of erectingAuckland’s giant Santa...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • SkyCity boss misleads public over workers lost shifts
    SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison has defended the employment practices at his company in an “Opinion” piece entitled “Human Capital key to corporate success” in the NZ Herald on Thursday. A number of his claims are misleading, contain only partial truths...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Review: Perfect Place
    I went to a Perfect Place on Tuesday night, and what a delight it was. The marshmallows sweetly (and forcefully) handed out pre-show, set the tone for the next hour. Walking up the stairs at The Basement was a complete...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • 5AA Australia – NZ on UN Security Council + Dirty Politics Lingers On
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey deliver their weekly bulletin Across The Ditch. General round up of over night talkback issues: Thongs, Jandals and flip-flops… ISSUE 1: New Zealand has been successful in its campaign to become a non...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • When I mean me, I mean my office & when I call whaleoil I mean not as m...
    This. Is. Ludicrous. Green Party co-leader Russel Norman put the first of what are likely to be many questions about Mr Key’s relationship with Slater, asking him how many times he had phoned or texted the blogger since 2008. “None...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • A brief word on describing the Government as ‘boring and bland’
    The narrative being sown is that this Government will be a boring and bland third term. Boring and bland. Since the election, Key has announced he is privatising 30% of state houses without reinvesting any of that money back into housing society’s most...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • Roast Busters: Turn Indignation into Action
    People raged about the Roast Buster case. The indignation was justified – it was horrible. “Where were their parents!?” Fair question. I am sure the Roast Busters’ parents and the victims’ parents all wish they had been more proactive in...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Stats NZ only have themselves to blame for postponement
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says Statistics NZ only have themselves to blame for the indefinite postponement of the release of the Food Price Index: November 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • NZ Diversity Survey – benchmarking workplace diversity
    AUT University’s New Zealand Work Research Institute (NZWRI) has released a report on diversity in New Zealand workplaces....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Māori Language (Te Reo Māori) Bill
    Tutehounuku Korako, Chair of the Māori Affairs Committee, is inviting further public submissions on this bill. The closing date for submissions is Friday, 5 December 2014....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • ERA amendments a mixed bag
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act has the potential to put vulnerable workers in a more precarious position, says Equal Opportunities Commissioner, Dr Jackie Blue. However, the commissioner says the right for all to request flexible work hours is...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Sensible Sentencing calls for appeal of judicial activivism
    The Sensible Sentencing Trust is appalled that Justice Jill Mallon has today refused to apply the Life without Parole (LWOP) provisions of the Three Strikes law as enacted by Parliament....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Global Rally against ISIS – for Kobanê – for Humanity, Nov 1
    The New Zealand Kurdish Community will march in solidarity with Kurdistan as part of the “GLOBAL RALLY AGAINST ISIS – FOR KOBANÊ – FOR HUMANITY” on 1 November 2014, 2pm....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Does ‘No-Surprises’ Also Apply To TVNZ News?
    When you stand back and look at NZ media outlets, most of them have at least one or two people who attempt to hold the government to account: John Campbell on TV3, Guyon Espiner and others at Radio NZ, David...
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Safer roads are better for everyone
    Recent pedestrian versus vehicle incidents highlight the real issues being addressed by delegates as the 2Walk and Cycle conference concludes....
    Scoop politics | 31-10
  • Law change creates more flexible labour market
    The Employment Relations Amendment Act, passed yesterday, will bring new flexibility to the labour market and will reduce the ability of unions to organise and to recruit....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Bumper ANZ profits mean no excuse for insecure hours
    A big rise in profits at New Zealand's largest bank needs to be reflected in a better pay offer and more security around hours of work, the bank workers’ union said today....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Count down to lowered alcohol limit
    With just a month to go until a new lower alcohol limit for adult drivers comes into effect, Police and road safety agencies are reminding drivers of the impending change....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • WorkSafe Supports Forestry Review Findings
    WorkSafe NZ says the Independent Forestry Safety Review has clearly identified the problems facing an industry in which ten workers were killed last year. “The Review’s analysis matches our own view and leaves no doubt about the need for comprehensive,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU welcomes forestry review recommendations
    The CTU is welcoming the today's release of the independent forestry safety review panel findings. "These recommendations must be implemented to ensure that everything possible is done to make forestry safer." CTU President, Helen Kelly said....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Activists will confront animal abusers
    Today animal rights activists will confront a group of wealth advisers who want to build the biggest egg factory-farm in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Turia: Women’s Refuge Conference 2014
    This is a milestone moment in my life. This will be my last official address as Co-leader of the Maori Party. On Saturday night at our Hui-a-Tau, I will be standing down from that role and enabling a new co-leader,...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rodeo Code of Welfare ‘Sick Joke’
    Animal advocacy organisation SAFE says the revised Code of Welfare for Rodeos just released is nothing but a sick joke. “Rodeo animals are goaded, tormented and forced to endure needless suffering and gross mistreatment, all for the sake of so-called...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Conservative Party applauds binding referenda on flag
    The Conservative Party are congratulating the Government on the decision to hold two binding referendums to decide the fate of New Zealand’s flag – and believes it will pave the way for binding referenda to form part of New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Walk the Talk – Opposing violence against women
    Soroptimist International of Auckland have organised a walk on 22 November from Silo Park at the Wynyard Quarter through the Viaduct and back to Silo Park, to show their opposition to violence against women. This event hopes to raise awareness...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Recommendations on the Design of Pecuniary Penalties
    The Law Commission has reviewed the use of pecuniary penalties as a regulatory tool. Pecuniary penalties are financial penalties that policymakers are increasingly opting to use in place of criminal sanctions in order to punish and deter misconduct in...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Every worker will be affected by employment law changes
    Every worker will feel the effects of the government’s new employment laws and should join a union if they want to maintain and increase their wages and conditions, says New Zealand’s largest private sector union, the EPMU....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Shameful attack on all workers
    The Government has passed the Employment Relations Amendment Act slashing the rights of all Kiwi workers. “These changes are shameful. New Zealand now has some of the worst employment protections in the OECD. It is embarrassing that a country which...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Unnecessary law changes more to do with ideology
    The government’s employment law changes are simply ideological and are at odds with its approach in the related areas of health and safety and immigration law, FIRST Union said tonight....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CTU Runanga calls on iwi leaders
    Maori workers are calling on iwi leaders to speak out against the employment law changes expected to go through today. “Iwi leaders have previously spoken out when workers in Aotearoa have been under attack, we believe they should do so...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Educating children not the best solution to alcohol harm
    Alcohol Healthwatch says we need to look beyond educating children and young people to address deeply embedded attitudes and behaviours concerning alcohol....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • New code of welfare for rodeos released
    New standards to strengthen the animal welfare requirements for rodeos have been issued today by the Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • IPCA report riddle with inaccuracies, say students
    A report by the Independent Police Conduct Authority into the policing of student protests in 2012 is riddled with inaccuracies, say students who laid the original complaint with the IPCA....
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • CT v The Queen – indecency convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Rameka v The Queen – murder convictions quashed
    This summary is provided to assist in the understanding of the Court’s judgment. It does not comprise part of the reasons for that judgment. The full judgment with reasons is the only authoritative document. The full text of the judgment...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Auckland Council Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald article that some Auckland households will face a rates rise of up to 9.6 per cent next year, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “Len Brown’s pledge to cap rates rises at 2.5 per...
    Scoop politics | 30-10
  • Stats NZ staff escalate action with ‘no more meetings’ rule
    Statistics NZ staff have voted to escalate their ongoing industrial action in an effort to get Stats NZ back to the bargaining table with a reasonable offer. The staff, who are members of the Public Service Association (PSA), have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Rape Crisis calls for changes to criminal justice system
    Wellington Rape Crisis has added its voice to the public outcry following the announcement that there will be no charges in the teen rape gang case. Butterworth says the decision not to lay charges will not have been a surprise...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Police action justified in Blockade the Budget demonstration
    Police actions in dealing with a demonstration in Central Auckland known as Blockade the Budget on 1 June 2012 were justified and appropriate, an Independent Police Conduct Authority report released today found....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • NZDF Joins with Australia to Commemorate WWI Centenary
    A contingent of New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) personnel will join their Australian counterparts at Australia’s first major commemoration of the First World War centenary in Albany, Western Australia this weekend....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Reserve Bank should reduce interest rate
    “The Reserve Bank should be reducing its policy interest rate, the OCR”, says CTU Economist Bill Rosenberg in response to the Bank’s announcement today that it is not increasing it....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • 2015 Stout Fellow will write about Māori & Criminal Justice
    Kim Workman, founder and advocate for the Robson Hanan Trust, which administers the Rethinking Crime and Punishment and Justspeak initiatives, has been awarded the 2015 John David Stout Fellowship at Victoria University....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • What John Key thought about ‘dirty politics’
    On September 20, John Key swept to victory to become one of New Zealand’s most successful and popular Prime Ministers. Rocked by scandal, the 2014 election campaign was one of the most brutal – and riveting – in recent history....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Trade Deal Threatens Farmers and Food Businesses
    The secret Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations are a direct threat to food businesses and farmers, and a moratorium on the release of GE crops must be enshrined in law before the TPP is signed....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • CTU announces election of new Secretary
    The contested election for the position of CTU Secretary has been won by Sam Huggard. Sam officially takes office on Monday 1 December 2014. Sam has worked in the union movement and brings a wealth of experience and a commitment...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kim Workman awarded 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship
    The Victoria University of Wellington 2015 J.D. Stout Fellowship, funded by the Stout Trust, has been awarded to justice reform advocate Kim Workman. Mr Workman (Ngati Kahungungu ki Wairarapa, Rangitaane) is well known for his work on criminal justice,...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • TPPA causing concern
    Concern over the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) negotiations is being expressed in two public meetings over the next week; one at a presentation on 5th November by former councillor Robin Gwynn to the Napier City Council, the...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Kiwis rally to demand justice for ‘Roast Buster’ survivors
    Over 1,500 kiwis have rallied to demand justice after the announcement of the NZ Police decision not to lay charges in the ‘Roast Busters’ saga....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • New employment law will hurt the most vulnerable NZers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says changes to the Employment Relations Act, expected to be passed in Parliament tonight, will hurt vulnerable workers and their families more than anyone....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Consultation to close on proposed place names
    The New Zealand Geographic Board (NZGB) Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa today advised that only one month remains before public consultation closes for 18 name proposals for geographic features and places around Te Ika ā Māui (the North Island)....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Operation Clover – Statement from Police Commissioner
    I have taken a close interest in this investigation and I am confident police have conducted a thorough and professional enquiry in what has been a challenging and complex case. The Operation Clover team has ensured that victims have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Better policy would have protected children from recession
    Child Poverty Action Group says an international report released by UNICEF today shows good policy can protect and improve child well-being, even during a recession....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Outcome of Operation Clover investigation
    Police have completed a multi-agency investigation, Operation Clover, into the activities of a group calling themselves “The Roast Busters”. The 12 month enquiry focused on incidents involving allegations of sexual offending against a number of girls...
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • False birth registration brings home detention
    A Whangarei woman who attempted to register the birth of a fictitious child to claim a sole parent benefit was sentenced to six months home detention in the Whangarei District Court today....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Family of Robert Ellis demand a proper investigation
    The family of a New Zealander killed in Indonesia are growing increasingly concerned at the lack of information they’ve received, and the handling of the investigation into his murder....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
  • Minister of Health must account for aged care workers’ pay
    The New Zealand Federation of Business and Professional Women (BPW NZ) congratulates rest-home worker Kristine Bartlett on her landmark claim for equal pay from her employer and successfully pursuing this to the Court of Appeal....
    Scoop politics | 29-10
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