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Lhaws’ lhabours lhost

Written By: - Date published: 12:14 am, March 4th, 2011 - 100 comments
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Michael Lhaws has done more to worsen ethnic relations in this country than, arguably, anyone else in the past decade. He chose the most racially divided city in the land and cynically exploited those divisions to get the attention his pathetic ego craves. Now, one of his greatest ‘achievements’ has been ruled illegal.

The Gang Patch Law was always a fraud. It didn’t accurately target people wearing patches and it didn’t do anything to discourage people being gang members. But those were never Lhaws’ real objectives. He was only after creating more racial division by dog-whistling (gang members = ‘bloody Maoris’). Same with his campaign over child abuse. More racial division means more votes for the head white racist and more media attention for an empty little man.

Lhaws was truly a terrible mayor. He failed to achieve anything but dragging Whanganui’s name down to his level in the eyes of the rest of the country (honestly, ask someone about Whanganui and ‘racist’ will be one of the first words out of their mouths). The people were getting sick of him and, according to rumour, polling was showing he could lose last year’s mayoral race. Hence, his decision not to run.

Now, the High Court has found that Lhaws’ Gang Patch Law is illegal.

Nice work, Lhaws, you wasted everyone’s time and who knows how much money on a law that didn’t even do what it purported to do, and now judicial resources have had to be wasted getting it overturned. So, you’re having a cry about the courts getting it wrong. Because it’s always someone else at fault when you fuck up, eh Lhaws?

Honestly, what a dick.

100 comments on “Lhaws’ lhabours lhost”

  1. McFlock 1

    10/10 for style, +3million for a good title.

    postscript: ’tis better to be mayor of WHanganui than be MP of wherever?

  2. tc 2

    But at no stage throughout any one of Laws crusades did the MSM call him on being a racist PR seeking media whore in his role as mayor rather than being a constructive civic leader……..which just egged him on. I recall his reaction to being pinged for not having a child restrained being particularly enlightening as to the mans character.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 2.1

      His response was an official complaint about the Police releasing his name.

      In many ways hes our own little tinpot Gaddafi

  3. RedLogix 3

    As Rex Widestrom pointed out in a comment here a while ago (yes I was paying attention Rex).. one of the most fatal political mistakes made in a generation was when Winston Peters chose Lhaws as his closest advisor.

    Many bad things flowed out from that decision.

    • Have an internet gold star, RL :-D

      I think because it heralded the end of my political career, when I talk about the implications people tend to think “oh yeah… for him“. But the way in which Lhaws distorted not only NZF (by loading it with Deborah “The Spy who Hated Me” Morris, Robyn “Which Way’s Paris?” McDonald et al, but by ridding Winston of a whole group of people, of which I was but one, who grounded him and negated his hubris.

      Lhaws, OTOH, gave Winston free rein to covet baubles and arrange dubious donations through secret trusts, because he knew where the real power lay. When he too was removed, Winston was like an over-inflated hot air balloon that lost its final tether.

      A NZF Cabinet consisting of the pre-1996 spokespeople – including Brian Donnelly but also Ross Gluer, Terry Heffernan, myself and others but minus Morris, McDonald, Neil Kirton etc – would most likely have opted for a coalition with Labour, but with a set of demands very different from those of Lhaws and Winston.

      Then there’s the possibility that successfully securing a coalition deal would have seen Mike Moore remain Labour Leader, at least for a few years; history would indeed have changed hugely had Winston not handed Lhaws the entire party and campaign structure prior to the 96 election.

      Whether for the better I have no way of knowing (but instinct tells me yes). But certainly the outcome could not have been worse…

      The saddest thing is, Lhaws will be happy with the carnage he caused. His only desire is to make an impact and thus feed his ego, and it’s easier to destroy than to build.

      • swordfish 3.1.1

        “successfully securing a coalition deal would have seen Mike Moore remain Labour Leader, at least for a few years; history would indeed have changed hugely…”.

        Don’t quite get this, Rex. Didn’t Helen Clark topple Moore immediately after the 1993 General Election, in which case a Labour-NZ First Coalition deal in 1996 would have been a little too late for Moore’s leadership ?

        Or have I missed something, here ?

        Incidently, 30th anniversary of the 1981 Springbok Tour coming up in July. 30 years since Laws led Otago Uni students in SUPPORT of apartheid. Wonder if he’ll be celebrating ?

        • Rex Widerstrom 3.1.1.1

          Gak! Where TF was my brain at when I wrote that? Yes, swordfish, you spotted that *cough* deliberate mistake, cunningly dropped in an otherwise erudite comment in order to check everyone was paying attention :-P

          Moore led the coalition negotiations (along with the late, and much missed, Michael Hirschfeld), and it was these two to whom I provided strategic advice, which was why my fantasising ran off track.

          But if you want to see fantasy in action (he says, desperately deflecting) his Wikipedia entry mentions his WTO Director-Generalship and adds “Constituency Eden, Christchurch North”. I’m sure the residents that borough, especially at this time, will be impressed to know they had their very own representative at the WTO :-)

      • Colonial Viper 3.1.2

        but with a set of demands very different from those of Lhaws and Winston.

        You couldn’t gift us with a couple of speculative “for instance”s could you Rex? You know just as a bit of wistful political porn?

        • Rex Widerstrom 3.1.2.1

          I try to avoid wallowing in the dregs of my political career unless there’s whisky involved. Or at least Pinot. Are you buying, CV? :-P

          I know Brian Donnelly had some incredibly good, and genuinely unique, ideas about poverty in the far north (from whence he came) and in particularly about raising educational outcomes but because he was more than capable of devising and expressing these I wasn’t involved at a level of detail that enable me to recall them now. I was particularly surprised to see none of that made it through into the coalition agreement, though that is testament to Lhaws’ influence since Winston genuinely admired and respected Brian.

          The ones in which I was involved and thus have a murky recollection, were:

          - Binding Citizens Initiated Referenda (in accordance with the NZ First Fundamental Principle that “All policies not contained in the party manifesto, where no national emergency clearly exists, will first be referred to the electorate for a mandate”).

          - Parliamentary Reform, including the establishment of an independent Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards based, at least initially, on the UK model at the time. (I say “at the time” because it’s since had its teeth extracted).

          - An increase in the number of refugees accepted and a raising of the bar for migrants in the “business” category to ensure they were intending to genuinely make a life in NZ and not use it simply as a means to a passport and a home in the Grammar zone for their children.

          - An independent anticorruption commission to regulate other aspects of society, including business and government departments.

          - Measures around real programs to get people off welfare and into work, with a focus on individual tailoring of solutions and not some “one size fits all” “work test”. That would include measures to promote entrepreneurship not just “getting a job”, including adult education and some sort of microfinance.

          - Insisting on processing NZ’s raw materials onshore, and adding maximum value to anything exported before it left NZ.

          - Much greater involvement, and partnership, with Pacific nations.

          There was heaps more, but I’ve had only one coffee so far so that’s about as much as I can wring out of a caffeine deprived brain.

  4. Bored 4

    To quote the Bard..“Out, out, brief candle! Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!”

    There was never much real to say about this vapid non entity.

  5. ghostwhowalksnz 5

    His company offices are in an understrength old building on soft ground right by the river bank……..

    • Don’t even go there ghostwhowalksnz; I get where you are coming from, but one thing that Wanganui does NOT need is an earthquake!

      • lprent 5.1.1

        Reminds me. I eventually got around to doing a read of your site this week and saw this post. and meant to point the following out.

        Oh you of little faith. We tend to give people time to learn, get upset at being told to learn and leave on their own, or to eventually get the chop. He’d already been warned several times for various infractions but didn’t seem to learn. He eventually ran out of our tolerance. See this and then this

        In this case he probably got more rope than usual because I do the bulk of the moderation and was somewhat more reluctant to warn or sanction because my circumstances made my judgement a bit suspect. I was even being pretty damn slow moderating because of a quite different sleep pattern. Which is why moderation was delayed as you pointed out in your post. Even at the best of time it can be several hours between sweeps by someone

        But eventually Irish got a wee bit pissed off and handed out several educational experiences after constraining himself for some time.

        Moderating on a site with as many comments as this one gets is more of deliberate process rather than the type of knee-jerk reaction you seem to prefer. Of course we could allow more of the knee jerk reaction, but I seem to remember that you didn’t like it when it happened to you.

        • Inventory2 5.1.1.1

          Appreciate your comments Lprent; hope too that you are on the mend

          • lprent 5.1.1.1.1

            Been back at work for several weeks. In fact after just a few days out of hospital. I was pretty useless for the first week or so. But programming is not a high risk occupation for a newly embedded stent. Being around people has stopped Lyn from worrying about leaving me at home alone (and organizing innumerable visitors). She literally stopped me from dying within the few minutes that I had left amongst the living and has been somewhat shocked ever since.

            • RedLogix 5.1.1.1.1.1

              Lynn,

              Sorry I missed all this. Oddly enough I was in Auckland Hospital at that period looking after my own father.

              Folk who want to grumble about moderation really need to dismount high horse. There really are only three or four of us doing it at any one time, there is no ‘roster’ so our presence or not is entirely random.

              It’s a tricky business getting the tone and balance right between under and over moderation. If left to my own devices I’d probably over-moderate, so I tend to compensate by being conciously light-handed. (This may cause some folks a mild snorting moment….). And while I try to keep the site policy uppermost in mind, lots of things come down to a personal call.

              But without doubt the leadership … and the vast bulk of the work… has fallen on Lynn’s already burdened shoulders. The Standard is what it is because of him.

              • Hear, hear.

                When he was hit by his heart problems I suggested, only partly in jest, he needed to “Tron” himself so he could roam within the circuitry of The Standard’s servers, fighting trolls.

                With due respect to everyone else, who provide the icing on the cake, there wouldn’t be a cake without him.

  6. tsmithfield 6

    The court decision wasn’t quite that emphatic. From the judge:

    “However, he said a bylaw which more closely defined specified places could well be legal.”

    • Eddie 6.1

      the by-law is illegal. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible to write a legal one, of course not. But I bet the new council doesn’t.

      • toad 6.1.1

        If you read the judgment, it appears (at para 160) that Lhaws misled the Council into the misunderstanding that it did not have to take the provisions of the NZ Bill of Rights Act into account in enacting the bylaw.

    • Tiger Mountain 6.2

      “could well be legal” is different from “would be legal” will the judges apparent prompt be followed up by the new council?

      Congrats to the Angels member and lawyer for now then. The mascaraed mayor was always way out of order on this one.

    • The Voice of Reason 6.3

      You make a good point, TS. Funnily enough, the council where told at the time that a sweeping ban would not be legal and that specific exclusions should be used. That is, defined streets, parks and public places. That good advice was ignored.

      For what it’s worth, the photo on the post makes Laws look far too chipper. I was shopping in a Whangaz supermarket earlier this week and saw him pushing a trolley about. He looked ten years older than the photo suggests. White straggly hair and unhealthily thin. Nobody bothered to say gidday or even make eye contact with him in the ten minutes or so we were in the same aisles. I probably should have felt sorry for him, but fuck it, the man’s a fucken disgrace and who am I to get in the way of karma?

      • Tiger Mountain 6.3.1

        “I probably should have felt sorry for him”, see just that little flash of humanity marks out a leftie.

        I still have an email from Mr Laws with mayoral banner and all. I wrote a serious piece to him about the spelling of the city and his succinct reply was “go back to smoking your weed loser” signed M. Laws. Sure I put my Far North address on the message and cannabis is not unknown in these parts, but I don’t use it, so his reply was not appreciated. He was rather rude to a bunch of school kids that wrote to him too I recall.

  7. Title and photo of the year!

    Lhaws truely is a whanker.

  8. Afewknowthetruth 8

    My experience of Laws led me to the conclusion he is a psychotic sociopath.

  9. fizzleplug 9

    Wanganui was terrible before he was mayor, and hasn’t changed.

  10. Lanthanide 10

    “it didn’t do anything to discourage people being gang members.”

    Laws was on National Radio this morning saying that actually it has reduced gang membership by 15% because there is much less impetus to join the gang.

    Do you have any actual proof that it hasn’t affected gang membership?

    • Bright Red 10.1

      surely you’re not asking for someone to prove a negative. You’re meant to be the most logical person here but next you’ll be demanding proof there isn’t a teapot in orbit between Earth and Mars.

      Hows about Lhaws present the evidence that he is basing his positive assertion on and we can then either accpe that evidence as valid or not.

      • Lanthanide 10.1.1

        No, it’s not asking to prove a negative. Clearly if there are 85 gang members now, when there used to be 100, then the gang membership rate has dropped by 15% as claimed.

        And yes, I would like Laws to present his evidence, but as I don’t have direct access to ask him to do so, I’d like to see what evidence Eddie used to declare that it has made no impact on gang membership. It certainly seems plausible that such a law could impact on gang membership, so to just rule it out as impossible on your own assumptions (when you’re already shown as biased against the messenger) doesn’t really seem fair.

        Also, I don’t claim myself to be the most logical person here.

        Finally, the term “can’t prove a negative” doesn’t actually mean much:
        http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/theory.html
        http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articles/proveanegative.html

        Just results from a quick google query. You’re probably already generally aware of the meaning of this (we could actually examine every instance of space in the orbits between Earth and Mars and therefore determine that there is no teapot, it’s just expensive and time consuming so we don’t do it), but using that phrase doesn’t really help the debate.

      • Bill 10.1.2

        next you’ll be demanding proof there isn’t a teapot in orbit between Earth and Mars

        But there is!

        Flying teapot flown by the pixies from the planet Gong, mate. Jeez. Where you been?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FisaVM93bdg&feature=related

    • The Voice of Reason 10.2

      I heard that, too, Lanth. What made me laugh was him claiming he had empirical, not anecdotal, evidence and then said it came from a Police report on changes since the law came in. Now, unless the Mob are regularly handing over their membership lists to Inspector Knacker, that report would be based on anecdotal evidence, surely?

      • Lanthanide 10.2.1

        I was half asleep at the time so don’t really remember much from it, but he gave a list of 4 things that had been a result of the law, and that’s the only one I can remember at the time. Didn’t recall that he said he had seen a police report on it.

        You are of course correct, the police report will most likely be based on anecdote, and the plural of anecdote is not data.

  11. chris 11

    Gang patch does not = “bloody maoris” in the slightest.

    Gangs are scum, regardless of their race.

    I support banning them in every shape and form. But hey, if you are happy having them in your main street stand back and do nothing. oh wait – you are.

    • Bright Red 11.1

      “if you are happy having them in your main street stand back and do nothing. oh wait – you are.”

      It’s not a matter of ‘doing nothing’. You’re falling into the trap of thinking that doing ‘something’ is always better than doing ‘nothing’. Lhaws did ‘something’ but it acheived nothing, which is worse than simply doing nothing because it’s a waste of recourses.

      “Gang patch does not = “bloody maoris” in the slightest.”

      yes, it does. It’s called dogwhistling and we all know it.

    • toad 11.2

      Personally, I would rather see them patched up so I know who it is I am dealing with.

      As for “scum”, I would put Lhaws in that category. A nasty self-opiniated little bigot who thinks he has the right to say whatever derogatory things he likes about groups or individuals, however unsupported by the evidence, while at the same time advocating removing others’ freedom of expression.

    • The Voice of Reason 11.3

      Sorry to see you are so upset, Chris. Like you, I’d like to see an end to gangs, but this stupid law did nothing to bring that about. As Laws said this morning it made ‘Wanganui people feel safer’. Feel safer, not actually be safer.

      It was just populist grandstanding, though given his shellacking at the last election, it turned out to be not so popular anyway.

      • Lanthanide 11.3.1

        Given that feeling in danger is hyped up by the media and often imaginary and that feeling in danger can actually have negative psychological impacts on a person (in general society it can even have wide economic and social effects – people choosing not to live in “the bad area of town” etc), actually improving people’s perception of safety without actually improving their safety isn’t something to write off as being a waste of time.

        • Bright Red 11.3.1.1

          given he had done so much to worsen people’s perception of their safety, at best you would call it a draw.

          In reality, I think the gang patch law would have worsened perceptions of safety. I think Whanganui and, because of the the song and dnace Lhaws made over this law, I think gangs and crime, and fuckwit former mayors.

          • Lanthanide 11.3.1.1.1

            True, a lot of the perception could’ve be a result of his hype.

            There’s also a matter of local perception here, though. People in the town might consider it safer, whereas people outside of the town (like yourself, presumably) might now think the town really had a massive gang problem and is only barely under control thanks to the draconian law.

            • Drakula 11.3.1.1.1.1

              I see it the same way as Toad; if the gangs are wearing patches they are visable, we know where they are and who they are.

              But there are gangsters who don’t wear patches, no they wear grey suites with a little masquara and seek to deny citizens (including gangs) freedom of speech , freedom of movement and freedom of association that is a contradiction to the NZ Bill of Rights.

              When that by-law was passed by the whanganui council everyone should have worn a patch in protest.

              I was a bit saddened by the apathy there!

              • toad

                @Drakula 18:43 pm

                I see it the same way as Toad; if the gangs are wearing patches they are visable, we know where they are and who they are.

                But there are gangsters who don’t wear patches, no they wear grey suites with a little masquara…

                Yep, the uniform of the enemy, Drak!

    • Richard 11.4

      Gangs are scum, regardless of their race.

      Rubbish.

      Some gang members are scum, but so are some, say, police officers. Doesn’t mean we should ban the police.

      • Lanthanide 11.4.1

        A higher proportion of gang members are ‘scum’ than members of almost any other organisation you can think of.

        Depends on your definition of ‘scum’, but I’d also suggest the average level of ‘scumminess’ of gang members is higher than other organisations, too.

        • Colonial Viper 11.4.1.1

          Wow…didn’t know that you had to perpetrate an act of extreme violence against a random innocent individual to earn your badge in the police, Richard.

          • Richard 11.4.1.1.1

            But it’s the criminal acts that are the problem, not being a member of a gang as such.

            Wearing a silly vest is not a crime.

            • Colonial Viper 11.4.1.1.1.1

              And the 40% of those in prison who are gang members or gang associates?

              But it’s the criminal acts that are the problem, not being a member of a gang as such.

              Sure, if you ignore the psychosocial drivers for crime you might think that way.

        • Richard 11.4.1.2

          A higher proportion of gang members are ‘scum’ than members of almost any other organisation

          Let’s also outlaw freemasons, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals.

          They are also scummy deviants who are responsible for a high proportion of social problems.

          • higherstandard 11.4.1.2.1

            “Let’s also outlaw freemasons, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals.

            They are also scummy deviants who are responsible for a high proportion of social problems.”

            WTF – plus have you got any links to support your bigotry ?

            [lprent: Umm. Some of the comments in these threads are getting a bit turgid. I'll let it ride for the moment as being relevant to the Lhaws debate. But if it goes too far....
            Note that this is not addressed at toad or HS. ]

          • Francesca 11.4.1.2.2

            Richard – you are an ignorant, disgusting Nazi bigot! People like you would have collaborated with the Gestapo!

            I thought you might like to know that around 22% of all Nobel Prize winners (1901-2010) are Jewish individuals. The facts speak for themselves. Jews more than punch above their weight in almost all educational, cultural and scientific endeavours.

            Here is some bedtime reading for you: http://www.jinfo.org/

            Why the hell are you so threatened by people who have no interest in your preferred lifestyle whatsoever? Judging by your comments, that probably involves reading Aryan literature and masturbating over your own reflection.

        • pollywog 11.4.1.3

          i reckon a wunch of bankers could give them a run for their money

    • I support banning them in every shape and form.

      Ahhhh to reside in Lhaws world where, with a single wave of his spindly little wrist, our hero can “ban” something which offends him.

      If there was a switch I could pull that would cause gangs to cease to exist I would pull it. But of course there isn’t, and actually dealing with the problem requires some thought and effort and even research, none of which goes down well on talkback radio.

      Some research has looked at the concept of “resilience” in illegal organisations. We’re familiar with the idea that legitimate organisation don’t simply fold up their tent and cease to exist at the first sign of trouble but we forget that there are, for these purposes, no differences between a legal and an illegal organisation.

      The researchers concluded that:

      …a resilience perspective confirms the findings of a number of gang researchers (see Klein and Maxson, 2006; Decker et al., 2008) that interventions risk having unintended consequences. Rather than decrease an organization’s resilience, law enforcement action might stimulate an organizational adaptation that is more resilient and perhaps more harmful. Particularly unstable organizations such as gangs, for example, may ‘robustly transform’ or ‘tip’ into a new stability domain, altering their character, objectives, ideology or activities. An assessment of this risk can only be made on the basis of the most current intelligence available. In some instances, it may be wiser not to intervene. [my emphasis]

      If an underground world of more serious crime than was evident pre-patch ban is unearthed in Wanganui in a few years, where will Lhaws be then? Manning up to take the blame? Or safely barricaded in his talback studio shrieking about how he’s warned us of the danger of these “bloody Maoris gangs”…?

  12. William Joyce 12

    Did I not get the memo?
    Obviously there is secret knowledge that “Laws is a Racist” that I have not been privy to.
    While I do not agree with all that he has said over the years, I have always found that he made his case in a reasoned way without the invective you would expect from a racist. Then again, maybe he is more clever and duplicitous than I thought.
    To oppose his ideas is one thing to assume the darkest of motives is another.
    What evidence is there that he is motivated by race hatred?

    • The Voice of Reason 12.1

      I’d say referring to the recently deceased King of Tonga as a ‘fat, brown slug’ counts as evidence, William.

      • Lanthanide 12.1.1

        Wasn’t that in the wake of Paul Henry’s breakdown? Given the timing, it seemed like laws was doing it deliberately to get attention and say “hey, I’m racist too!”

        captcha: warning

        • toad 12.1.1.1

          No, that was these comments:

          “That reminds me of Anand Satyanand, but Anand Satyanand could never move that quickly. He is a very large, fat man,” he said.

          “I don’t know why but just on an Indian it seems slightly incongruous.

          “I mean, we don’t all expect Indians to be begging on the streets of New Delhi, but it’s like Anand discovered the buffet table at, like, 20 and he’s never really left it.”

          The King of Tonga one was earlier.

          Both were racist.

          • William Joyce 12.1.1.1.1

            Abusive, rude, fatist, trying to appear funny by running down someone else, being vile and a total git – yes.
            But you still have not given me evidence of racism.
            Again, you are inferring motivation without giving the evidence.
            It is a specific charge that requires a specific example of misconduct.

            • The Voice of Reason 12.1.1.1.1.1

              Did you miss my comment, Wiiliam?

              “Fat, brown slug”

              Racist.

      • William Joyce 12.1.2

        No – I got it. It just lacks evidence.
        I could say Brownlee is a fat, white slug. It’s descriptive but not racist?

        • The Voice of Reason 12.1.2.1

          No, that would be racist, too, William. If you identify someone by their skin colour in a perjorative way, that is indeed racist.

        • toad 12.1.2.2

          …”white motherfuckers” okay too by you William?

          Somehow, I suspect not.

          [lprent: Umm. Some of the comments in these threads are getting a bit turgid. I'll let it ride for the moment as being relevant to the Lhaws debate. But if it goes too far....
          Note that this is not addressed at toad or HS. ]

          • William Joyce 12.1.2.2.1

            The white mo-fo comment was intended to infer something disparaging about a people group.
            Also context lends weight to meaning.

            You would have to show that Laws was suggesting something
            - to be intrinsic to Tongans as a people group (ie. determined by race)
            - that his race was therefore superior to Tongans
            - that the King, because he was Tongan, was therefore racially determined to be inferior as a person.

            None of those things happened.

            He made insulting comments about a person who just happened to be Tongan. He didn’t insult someone because he was Tongan. A subtle but important difference.

            • The Voice of Reason 12.1.2.2.1.1

              No difference at all, William, because he didn’t say fat Tongan slug, he said fat brown slug. The comment was racist. Laws is a racist. You can dissemble all you want, but nothing can change the facts.

              • William Joyce

                Obviously reiteration by either of us is pointless – it’s not going to lead to agreement.
                Next subject :-)

      • Or walking into the NZ First Parliamentary office after Winston had ceded him total control and saying there were “too many brown faces” to be seen (by the public), relegating the Maori admin / reception person to a back room and insisting a Pakeha Senior Private Secretary sit at reception, thus violating both their terms of employment and insulting their dignity.

    • Colonial Viper 12.2

      Seems like you are well out of the loop, Joyce.

    • Morrissey 12.3

      That Laws is a racist is not “secret knowledge”. Did you not listen to him during the first few days of 2009, when he devoted his show to cheering on the Israeli massacre in Gaza? Day after day, he sneered at the idea that anyone should have any concern for the women and children and elderly of Gaza, and he claimed, in apparent high seriousness, that “the Palestinians deserve everything they get, and they are all terrorists.”

      His comments were the verbal equivalent of the white phosphorus bombs the Israelis dropped on the captive civilians. Laws displayed not the slightest ability to make his case “in a reasoned way without the invective you would expect from a racist”.

      If cheering on the mass killing of captive civilians is not “race hatred”, then that term has no meaning.

      • William Joyce 12.3.1

        Pointing to him supporting the bombing of civilians tells me nothing about his concepts of race. It tells me he supports the murder of the innocent people in a certain geographically determined nation/state/province as a valid means of retaliation.
        The fact that could be of the same race/people group seems incidental.
        This quote tells me nothing about his views on race.
        Does he hate Arabs? Does he hate people with dark skins? Is he opposed all heathens in hit countries? Does he stand in the bath waving the union flag singing Jerusalem?
        He may well hold those views but you haven’t proved it.

        Educate me.

        • Colonial Viper 12.3.1.1

          I love how you want documentary proof of shit that is virtually impossible to prove. Just to slow down the discussion.

          You might as well ask us to provide evidence that Lhaws really likes chocolate sundaes, and not just appreciates them.

          Daft.

          Does he hate Arabs? Does he hate people with dark skins? Is he opposed all heathens in hit countries? Does he stand in the bath waving the union flag singing Jerusalem?

          Only one way to find out this level of detail, and that’s to ask him. Of course, he’ll lie (or obfuscate) whichever way so again, what’s the point?

          • William Joyce 12.3.1.1.1

            ….because of the soft ground of evidence you speak of, people need to tread carefully and speak less emphatically. The tone of the original article was quite scathing and nobody was stumping up with the goods. The term racist is so loaded and so often used lazily by people who want to label someone and then engage in knee jerk reactions.
            You do raise a good point about the quality of evidence that can be expected but it would be good if people spent more time in analysis rather than reaction.

            • Colonial Viper 12.3.1.1.1.1

              Now you’re positioning yourself as the voice of moderation, and editorial fairness?

              Oh frak off before I choke.

              • William Joyce

                I have never tried to be otherwise. Rather, I have spent more time trying to correct the knee-jerk reactions and assumptions made by others who assumed a range of things that weren’t true or relevant.
                Are you wanting this to be a forum where people can make assertions without evidence and when someone comes into a particular debate, ignorant of the background as I was, and wants to know why people hold that attitude you treat it like “It’s open season folks – the anti-christ with the unfortunate name has entered the debate!”
                Yikes!

                “Oh frak off before I choke.” – really? Must be a overly sensitive gag response – I’d get that looked at. One day it could lead you to choking on your own words.

                • The Voice of Reason

                  Oh, William, it was really nothing …

                  It’s not ‘an unfortunate name’ dude, it took thought and action. You deliberately chose it using your own free will then you typed it into the little box. And you only use the handle “William Joyce” here at the Standard, which shows further deliberation. You’ve been called on it and, frankly, I think you should retire it and just use what ever name you use when you post on Whale or Stormfront or where ever it you usually go to get your jollies.

                  [lprent: getting close to speculating on identities. ]

                  • William Joyce

                    Obviously your handle has an equal amount of energy, “thought and action” put into it and like mine, you obviously intended The Voice of Reason to be ironic.

                    Oh, as for posting under another name elsewhere – fair cop, you got me, I’m a cleverly disguised member of the vast right wing conspiracy.

                    Be careful tonight – I may be hiding under you bed.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I’m a cleverly disguised member of the vast right wing conspiracy.

                      For fraks sake get off it.

                      It’s not a “conspiracy”, and I will tell you why. Because the vast Right Wing plan is bloody obvious and well known, it has been consistent in it’s objectives for decades even as its operational emphasis has adapted over time.

                      Transfer societal wealth upwards and secure the privilege of an elite aristocratic class at any cost to the common good.

                      Sheeeesh its not rocket science

        • Morrissey 12.3.1.2

          In his anxiety to support the vicious radio bully Michael Laws, our friend Lord Haw Haw has made some disturbing statements…
          1.) “…supporting the bombing of civilians tells me nothing about his concepts of race”
          Well, yes it does, when this support is expressed in the same kind of hate-filled racially charged rhetoric that Alan Jones and John Laws inflict on their listeners in Australia.

          2.) “…the murder of the innocent people…as a valid means of retaliation”
          By the way you’ve written this, it seems you agree with those crimes. Please say it ain’t so, Joyce.

          3.)“Does he hate Arabs?”
          Judging by his violent, race-baiting rhetoric, both on air and in his ghastly Sunday Star-Times column, yes, Michael Laws hates Arabs. Your strategy of demanding proof of the blindingly obvious raises an obvious question: how many examples of a radio broadcaster exhorting a foreign power to destroy a captive Arab population would you need before you were convinced that he hated Arabs?

          4.) “Does he hate people with dark skins?”
          He hates people with white skins too. The people of Gaza look just like their Israeli oppressors. It’s not “race” per se that motivates the hatred of people like Michael Laws, it’s politics, viz. the politics of the extreme right.

          5.) He may well hold those views but you haven’t proved it.
          I think it’s obvious to anyone who cares to look at the facts that I have indeed proved Michael Laws is a brutal and unabashed supporter of the cruelest and most inhuman treatment of innocent people. Does that make him a “racist”? Well, that’s debatable, I guess, but one thing is almost certain: he’s a hateful, condescending, and poorly informed broadcaster, and what he says should be scrutinized and contested.

      • William Joyce 12.3.2

        Do you have a reference for the “the Palestinians deserve everything they get, and they are all terrorists.” quote?

      • William Joyce 12.3.3

        Morrissey – do you have a reference for the “the Palestinians deserve everything they get, and they are all terrorists.” quote?

        [lprent: normally I'd be watching with interest to see the link appear. But radio talkback doesn't usually archive anything on the net. I'll not going to insist on substantiation for that one. ]

        • Morrissey 12.3.3.1

          He said those very words, and variations thereof, every day during January 2009. He was not the only one on Radio Live to speak like that, of course: James Coleman was equally vicious, and just as lamentably ignorant.

          • William Joyce 12.3.3.1.1

            I’ll take your word for it. Not having heard it I am in no place to judge but it would have been nice to have a quote.

            • Morrissey 12.3.3.1.1.1

              1.) “I’ll take your word for it.” Thanks for the vote of confidence. I assure you that is a precise transcript of what Laws said on one occasion. I wrote it down. He repeated the message, in pretty much the same words, every day he was on air in January 2009.

              2.) “…it would have been nice to have a quote.”
              That is the quote. Verbatim.

    • Mutante 12.4

      Mr. Joyce,

      What else is markedly different about the parallel universe you come from?

  13. chris 13

    ““Gang patch does not = “bloody maoris” in the slightest.”

    yes, it does. It’s called dogwhistling and we all know it.”

    if you have that racist view then that’s up to you – bit dont go putting your slant on me because we dont “all know it” – I know I dont have that view. Plenty of scum who are white gang members also.

  14. Laws claimed that his bylaw reduced gang numbers.Now that his bylaw has been turfed out, will those numbers return to what they were – rocket up even?
    Mr Laws?

    (anti-spam word: possible)

  15. randal 15

    hey what about the dialectic dudes.
    you know.
    thesis.antithesis.synthesis.
    and I dont like sweepeing things under the carpet.
    its better to lance a boil than to see it fester.
    especially under a large weight of denial.

  16. Tom Barker 16

    “This quote tells me nothing about his views on race.
    Does he hate Arabs? Does he hate people with dark skins? Is he opposed all heathens in hit countries? Does he stand in the bath waving the union flag singing Jerusalem?”

    What about your own views on race, Mr Joyce? Did you adopt the nom de plume “William Joyce” out of admiration for the WW2 fascist propagandist know as Lord Haw Haw, or is that a coincidence?

    • William Joyce 16.1

      Tom, Tom, Tom *sigh*
      Play the ball, not the player.
      What have my racial views got anything to do with it?
      My arguments should stand or fall on how sound they are. Not on any guesses you make about my attitude based upon such flimsy evidence as my supposed non de plume.
      What if William Joyce was a name given to me at birth? Are you therefore saying that the circumstances of my birth are an indicator of what views I hold?
      Seems I have heard that sort of argument before – oh that’s right….from racists.

      If you have a counter argument that can withstand scrutiny then put it up.

      • The Voice of Reason 16.1.1

        I suspect your racial views are why you are defending Laws, William. Why else would you be so exercised about it? Certainly, it’s not because your argument stands up to any scrutiny.

        How about you confirm or deny Tom’s suggestion? Is William Joyce your name because of the fascist connection or not?

        • William Joyce 16.1.1.1

          To the Voice of Reason et al
          You said “suspect your racial views are why you are defending Laws”. When two people can’t reach an agreement it must be because the other person is evil?
          It takes imagination to allow for other possibilities. (and there are!)

          Could it be that I just wanted people to elaborate on why they thought Laws was racist and was not satisfied with the level of evidence presented.
          Isn’t not an unreasonable expectation.
          Or, god forbid, this becomes a forum of like minded people who all pat themselves on the back for holding the same views, maintaining the group-thought and assume evil of anyone who disagrees with them.

          As for answering the William Joyce question – that would be too easy. Labels can be useful short cuts to identification but they can also be excuses to get involved in knee-jerk reactions instead of engaging in some real thinking and dialogue.

          As for being “so exercised about it” – did you ever think that it might be that it’s just a slow day at my end and I am engaged about a dialogue on this. Hence the frequency and number of posts. Eventually, once everyone will have staked out their positions and there will either be synthesis or agreement or we will all move on to more important things.

          I apologise if the tone of my posts has anyone all “riled-up” – I have tried to be as fair as possible.

          captcha : campaigns – not really, just a bit of two an fro

      • mcflock 16.1.2

        Lolz.

        Can you really not see why something like “the Palestinians deserve everything they get, and they are all terrorists.” might be regarded as racist?

        • William Joyce 16.1.2.1

          Yes, I think I got too engaged in challenging the other, poor, evidence presented that I missed this detail. Thanks, mcflock and the original poster. This is a smoking gun.
          He is, as you point out, attributing pejorative qualities to a people group and generalising the wrongdoing of some into an intrinsic racial quality and then advocating the eradication of that group.
          I apologise for not seeing it earlier and now accept he is not above making racist comments.
          I would like to see a trend of comments before I go as far labelling him racist.

          • McFlock 16.1.2.1.1

            The attitude that to be Indian and overweight is “incongruous” seems to me to also be a a racially-based attitude.

            That’s 2. I also think the “bloated, brown slug” comment was a bit off.

            How many do you want before you declare a trend??

      • Colonial Viper 16.1.3

        Play the ball, not the player.

        Ironically Joyce, racism is all about playing the player, as I’m sure you know.

        • North 16.1.3.1

          I wouldn’t worry about Joyce and his LuvaLaws carry on…….some people are so intellectually dishonest that they need DNA proof that Laws is a racist before they’ll acknowledge.

          Which means they probably actually support his vile racism.

  17. chris73 17

    In an interview with the current mayor i heard on the radio today she reckoned the public supported it and that the police believed it had contributed to lower crime rates

    • toad 17.1

      And does that give reason to deny the basic human right of freedom of expression?

      Like the homophobic bigots who protest against gays at military funerals in Kansas, and like the arch-bigot Lhaws himself, who uses hate-speech all the time – the law should not interfere. Let the people deal with those issues through democratic debate.

      That right should be denied by the law only in the most extreme of circumstances (such as incitement to genocide or violence against a particular group).

      • Zorr 17.1.1

        Ban Lhaws?

        He is shown to exercise hate speech against minorities. Maybe he needs to be legislated against personally? “As per subsection 3.1, if your name is Michael Laws you may not attempt to publish or broadcast any opinion you hold as it has preemptively been determined as full of shit”

        ^_^

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    The wise thing for the Prime Minister to do is ask Gerry Brownlee to hand in his transport warrant and to stand him down for the duration of the CAA investigation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “It’s not good enough...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Puhoi highway won’t help Northland roads
    The draft decision by the Environmental Protection Agency to grant resource consent to the proposed $1.65 billion Puhoi motorway doesn't stop it being a waste of money, the Green Party said today. "The Puhoi motorway is an unnecessary waste of...
    Greens | 25-07
  • Green Party to focus on issues not sideshows
    The Green Party has launched its creative for the 2014 election; Love New Zealand. The Green Party campaign focuses on the issues where there is concern that we do not love New Zealand enough; our increasingly polluted environment, increased poverty...
    Greens | 25-07
  • Coleman must come clean about FBI briefing
    Former Immigration Minister Jonathan Coleman must come clean about when he was told the FBI was investigating Kim Dotcom, Labour’s Associate Security and Intelligence spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “Jonathan Coleman has previously said ministers were not aware of the American...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Regional economies need tailored plans
    News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional economies, Labour’s MP for Hauraki-Waikato Nanaia Mahuta says. “The Canpac site has effectively responded...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Kiwis to get the final vote on amalgamation
    New Zealanders will get the right to have a final say on any proposed local body amalgamations, says Labour’s local government spokesperson Su’a William Sio releasing Labour’s Local Government policy today....
    Labour | 24-07
  • Dr Rajen Prasad’s Valedictory Statement
    Draft Hansard Parliamentary Record. Subject to correction. Bula vinaka. Namaste, Mr Assistant Speaker. Thank you very much. Tēnā koe. I am a lucky migrant and am privileged to have received as much as I have from this country for over...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Darien Fenton’s Valedictory Statement
    Nga mihi nui - kia koutou. I acknowledge all Members of Parliament I have served with and I do so without rancour or criticism. Over nearly nine years in parliament I’ve found that despite furious debate about political difference, most...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Immigation and Kim Dotcom – Harawira
    “I just got a call from National Business Review reporter, asking whether there was any contradiction between my thoughts on immigration in 2009 and now, particularly given MANA’s newly minted relationship with Kim Dotcom” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 24-07
  • Nats to announce 2nd crossing without rail
    Labour Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford says it has been leaked to him that John Key will rule out a rail option when announcing an accelerated timeframe for Auckland’s $5 billion second harbour crossing next month. “I understand the Government’s plan...
    Labour | 24-07
  • “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira
    “I’m sorry I can’t be at parliament for the valedictory speeches of Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples” said Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Tai Tokerau, ”but I’d like to add my own best wishes as they reach the end...
    Mana | 24-07
  • ACT trying to have it both ways on zoning
    ACT Party candidate David Seymour’s campaign against changes to school zones in the Epsom electorate looks hollow given his party’s commitment to the abolition of school zoning altogether, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “It’s disingenuous for David Seymour to...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Interest rate rise will hit the regions
    The latest interest rate rise will hit the fragile regional economies of  New Zealand and hurt exporters by putting more upward pressure on the exchange rate, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker.  “The regions are already hit by dropping  export...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Burning the flag or accepting the evil
    Burning the Israeli flag in Auckland in protest over the murder of innocent civilians in Gaza is nothing to be ashamed of” said MANA Leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “Calling for both sides to stand down when one side...
    Mana | 23-07
  • Photo op disguises abysmal failure
    John Key’s opening of four Housing NZ units in Bexley today is nothing more than an insincere photo op designed to hide the Government’s failure to rebuild the housing stock destroyed by the earthquakes, says Labour’s Associate Housing spokesperson Poto...
    Labour | 23-07
  • TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid”
    Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says a MANA billboard “appears to have been funded by taxpayers”, and calls it “an outrageous use of taxpayer money”. “But the only thing that is outrageous, is how outrageously stupid Jordan Williams was...
    Mana | 23-07
  • Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy
    The Green Party will help schools install solar and save money on their power bills by investing $20 million into solar PV systems in schools. The $20 million is expected to:Help around 500 schools install solar over three yearsResult in...
    Greens | 23-07
  • Extent of job losses at Invermay remain hidden
    Despite growing concern in the agriculture and science sectors, both AgResearch management and the Minister responsible are continuing to hide the true extent of job losses at AgResearch’s Invermay campus, Labour’s MP for Dunedin North David Clark says. “Science and...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches ...
    “MANA is launching its te reo Māori policy this morning ahead of the first reading of the government’s Māori Language Strategy Bill this afternoon”, saidMANA deputy leader and candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes. “MANA’s policy is based on a love...
    Mana | 23-07
  • Connectivity Upgrade to close digital divide
    Labour will close the digital divide with its Connectivity Upgrade to ensure all New Zealanders can be part of a growing, more connected economy and have the right to access quality broadband, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says.  “The digital revolution...
    Labour | 23-07
  • New parents deserve support – Labour will deliver
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    Labour | 23-07
  • National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates
    National has refused a briefing from a group of Maui's dolphins experts, whose research shows 80 per cent of New Zealanders want greater protection for the critically endangered dolphin, the Green Party said today.Dolphin campaigner Gemma McGrath and marine scientist...
    Greens | 23-07
  • MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour
    “Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week”, said MANA candidate for Mt Albert, Joe Carolan. “A good start would be for all Labour Auckland MPs and members to join the Justice for Palestine...
    Mana | 23-07
  • We must act to save our dolphins
    A new report makes it clear for the urgent need to protect Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins while arguing  it is clear that there is no need for further research, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson.  “Labour backs the public call...
    Labour | 23-07
  • School told to manipulate national standards data
    Parents can have little confidence in the Government’s National Standards after an Auckland school was told to manipulate its data so it added up, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins. “Valley School in Pukekohe was advised in an email from the...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Regional economies must have tailored plans
    News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional economies, Labour’s MP for Hauraki-Waikato Nanaia Mahuta says. “The Canpac site has effectively responded...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Auditor General slams Shared Services project
    The Auditor-General’s Office could not have been more damning about the 18 months spent on the Central Agency Shared Services (CASS) project at the Finance and Expenditure Committee this morning, says Maryan Street, Labour’s State Services spokesperson.  ...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato
    The potential loss of up to 114 jobs from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton is a massive blow to the Waikato region which has already lost hundreds of jobs, Labour says. Labour’s Social Development spokesperson and Hamilton-based list MP Sue...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital
    The decision to reject the proposed flyover at the Basin Reserve must be taken as an opportunity to properly fund Wellington’s transport future and must not be used as an excuse to take resources away from the capital, Wellington Labour MPs...
    Labour | 22-07
  • National out of touch with the regions
    John Key is out of touch with regional New Zealand if he believes tinkering with council regulations will restore opportunities to small towns, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “While the regions are crying out for sustainable growth and job opportunities,...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Flyover rejection a victory for sustainable transport
    The rejection of the proposed Basin Reserve flyover by a Board of Inquiry is a victory for sustainable transport in Wellington and paves the way for other alternatives to be given a fair hearing, Wellington Labour MPs Grant Robertson and...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Reo Māori Policy Launch
    MANA will be launching its Reo Māori policy at 10am Thursday 24 July, at Matangireia (the old Māori Affairs Select Committee room at Parliament). We will also be addressing our concerns regarding the Minister of Māori Affairs Māori Language Strategy...
    Mana | 22-07
  • Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense
    The Green Party welcomed the Environmental Protection Authority's draft decision announced today not to allow the $90 million Basin Reserve flyover in Wellington to proceed."Both popular and expert opinion opposed the flyover. The proposal was expensive, unnecessary and would have...
    Greens | 22-07
  • Laila Harre to run against Key in Helensville
    Another full house in Rotorua as part of Internet MANAs road trip Another day, another full house for the Internet MANA road trip. John Armstrong understands the energy now swirling around Internet MANA, and the latest announcements of Georgina Beyer...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Waiting for Gower’s Twittering of indignation…
    .   . Key has made his call; deals with ACT and Peter Dunne are in – a deal with the CCCP (Colin Craig’s Conservative Party), is out; . . Now we can look forward to TV3′s political commentator, Patrick...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • National’s desperate oil drilling agenda exposed
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: National’s desperate oil drilling agenda exposed Tuesday, 29 Jul 2014 | Press Release A Wall Street Journal article exposing the Government’s attempts to lure deep sea oil drillers to New Zealand shows...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Owner of Kiwis’ favourite tacos takes bold stand for climate action
    MIL OSI – Source: Oxfam NZ – Headline: Owner of Kiwis' favourite tacos takes bold stand for climate action The maker of Old El Paso tacos, Betty Crocker cake mixes and Haagan Daz ice-cream has today committed to industry-leading measures...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • Out of touch Brownlee gets numbers wrong
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Out of touch Brownlee gets numbers wrong Gerry Brownlee has shown how badly he is managing the rebuild by getting his figures wrong on how many houses are needed in Christchurch, Labour’s...
    The Daily Blog | 29-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood: Weekend at Bernie’s lll – ACT in Epsom
    While no one will be surprised by yesterday’s deal to prop up ACT in Epsom, the audacity of it is still astounding. ACT is a political corpse. Their sole MP has been found guilty of electoral fraud and bides his...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • So how’s all the ‘ Labour Party man ban’ hysteria working out for you...
    Remember all the screams from the media at the so called ‘man ban’ of the Labour Party? Labour’s attempt at gender equality was really just more evidence of Labour’s man hate,  feminists were taking over, heterosexual red blooded men burnt at the stake....
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Paul Henry; the issue is you, not flag-burning
    There will always be reductive, dangerous and reactionary responses to different forms of oppressive violence by our western, often biased, mainstream media. These reactionary responses purposefully distract from the real issues and those who are at the root and the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Oh now John Armstrong and Vernon Small want to talk about policy?
    The audacity of the mainstream media seems to know no end. This week both John Armstrong and Vernon Small had the hilarity to demand a focus on policy and not ‘gotcha’ politics… John Armstrong: The ‘gotcha politics’ disease is afflicting...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira  Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press Releases“I’m sorry I can’t be at parliament for the valedictory speeches of Tariana Turia...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Burning the flag or accepting the evil
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Burning the flag or accepting the evil Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press ReleasesBurning the Israeli flag in Auckland in protest over the murder of innocent civilians...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid”
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid” Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press ReleasesJordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says a MANA billboard “appears to have been funded by taxpayers”,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches ...
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches te reo Māori policy  Posted on July 24, 2014 by admin in Annette Sykes, Press Releases, Te Hamua Nikora“MANA...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy Thursday, 24 Jul 2014 | Press Release Our Solar in Schools policy will allow them to save money on electricity – money which can be...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Media Release: New report on GP costs for 6-17 year olds
    MIL OSI – Source: Child Poverty Action Group – Headline: Media Release: New report on GP costs for 6-17 year olds 24 July 2014 Free doctor’s visits should be extended to all children under 18 as GP charges are a...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • 3 reasons why I can’t care about Gerry Brownlee’s airport security fias...
    I find it very difficult to get upset about Gerry Brownlee barging through airport security for 3 simple reasons. Firstly I think airport security in this country is a total farce. Why we need to be conditioned to security searches...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • How the Opposition win Epsom now Key has cemented Goldsmith into place
    One fear I had this election would be that National listened to Matthew Hooton and removed Goldsmith from the ballot box to leave the race open enough for David Seymour to ensure an ACT Party victory. Thankfully National Party hubris...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Now Conservative Party has been killed off, is a vote for NZ First a vote f...
    Are Winston and John Key new Best Friends Forever?   Colin Craig and his Conservative Party have been cleverly played and tricked and trapped by National. Whatever promises and flirtations Key made with Craig last year have eventuated into nothing....
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away ...
    The front page the NZ Herald would use if they thought they could get away with it...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Best National Party Billboard
    Best National Party Billboard...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Annette Sykes to launch campaign for Waiariki Annette Sykes, MANA candidate...
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Annette Sykes to launch campaign for Waiariki Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Posted on July 28, 2014 by admin in Annette Sykes, Press ReleasesAt midday tomorrow, Annette Sykes will officially launch...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Something Fishy About Nick Smith’s Game.
    NICK SMITH’S crude intimidation of the Fish and Game Council points to the bleakest of environmental futures should National be re-elected on 20 September. It is now considerably clearer than 60 percent of New Zealand’s lakes, rivers and streams that...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Minister shouldn’t stop Fish and Game doing its job
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Minister shouldn’t stop Fish and Game doing its job Monday, 28 Jul 2014 | Press Release Fish and Game is supposed to advocate for clean and healthy rivers, it’s the law. It...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Key’s odd personal hypocrisy in Epsom, his kiss of death to the Maori Par...
    Aside from tricking Colin Craig into running in an electorate National can crush him in, John Key has announced three things in his election deals that are ill thought out. The first is his deal with the Maori Party. At a time...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Public deserves electoral integrity
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Public deserves electoral integrity National’s deals with spent political forces ACT and United Future will be met with a deepening sense of unease over the manipulation of MMP, Labour Leader David Cunliffe...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Out of control costs raise questions about National Science Challenges
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Out of control costs raise questions about National Science Challenges Amid strong criticism of the value of the National Science Challenges from some of the country’s senior scientists, new figures show administrative...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Low build numbers and faulty repairs: what has Brownlee been doing?
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Low build numbers and faulty repairs: what has Brownlee been doing? Despite being a man in a hurry new figures show just 2160 new homes, thousands fewer than needed, have been built...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • UNEMIG: Disgraced hotel operator still hasn’t learned
    MIL OSI – Source: First Union – Headline: UNEMIG: Disgraced hotel operator still hasn’t learned A publicly disgraced Auckland hotel is still not paying their workers the minimum wage, according to the Union Network of Migrants (UNEMIG). Last week the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Christchurch CHEP workers walk off the job again
    MIL OSI – Source: First Union – Headline: Christchurch CHEP workers walk off the job again Workers at Brambles-owned CHEP Christchurch have walked off the job again today to protest the employer’s refusal to negotiate an improved pay offer, according...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Why it’s all over for the Conservative Party
    Whatever flirtations were made months ago to Colin Craig by National strategists, the polling must have come back showing them too much of their soft urban vote would walk if Key was in Government with Colin Craig.  The necessary inside muscle to...
    The Daily Blog | 28-07
  • Balance in the NZ Herald and has something gone terribly wrong at the Heral...
    So the ‘balance’ in the NZ Herald this year for the election will be… Guest columnists will include the acerbic Cactus Kate from the radical right, former Labour candidate Josie Pagani and broadcaster Mark Sainsbury. Right, so that would be...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Joyce’s heavy hand stifling innovation
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Joyce’s heavy hand stifling innovation Monday, 28 Jul 2014 | Press Release “The heavy hand of Steven Joyce is destroying New Zealand’s innovation economy.” The National Government should allow scientists and businesses...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • CERA spends almost $2m on 7000 flights
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: CERA spends almost $2m on 7000 flights CERA has spent $1.8 million on 7286 flights from Christchurch to Wellington in three years – a huge waste of money as Cantabrians still wait...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Nick Smith oversteps the mark yet again
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Nick Smith oversteps the mark yet again Nick Smith has yet again completely overstepped the mark as a minister – this time with a threat to muzzle Fish and Game if they...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Phew – National Party hubris seals strategy
    The National Party are bot listening to Matthew Hooton. Phew. Hooton has crunched the numbers and based on past polling National always drops 6 points come election day. National aren’t listening. Barging through the need to cut deals with all...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Noam Chomsky on the TPPA
    Noam Chomsky on the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Unacceptable secrecy around labelling people terrorists
    It’s good to see the Sunday Star-Times attempting to get more information from government agencies about Daryl Jones, the Kiwi killed in a US drone strike in Yemen.  The paper is right to complain about the government’s refusal to provide...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • A critical deconstruction of John Key – what’s behind the facade?
    Aspiring national leaders need a popular narrative of their rise to power.  Once in office, the narrative can be refined to fit the requirements of leadership and re-election.  Such is the purpose of John Roughan’s John Key: Portrait of  a...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Radio Live – off Mark
    The Top Marks lasted five weeks on Mediaworks radio station The Sound. This may have something to do with last being relevant in the mid-1980s when there were only two commercial FM licences in Auckland and they were on one...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Wellingtonians say ‘No!’ to Israeli aggression
    .   . Wellington, NZ, 26 July – About 600 Wellingtonians, and from further afield, met at the Cuba Mall Bucket fountain under a wintery sunny sky, to protest Israel’s continuing aggression in the Gaza strip, which – at the...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Greens call for shipping lanes backed by Maritime Union
    MIL OSI – Source: Maritime Union of New Zealand – Headline: Greens call for shipping lanes backed by Maritime Union The Maritime Union is backing the Green Party’s policy to implement compulsory shipping lanes for coastal shipping, announced 27 July...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now
    MIL OSI – Source: Maritime Union of New Zealand – Headline: Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now The Maritime Union is urging the Government to push through a Bill reforming the fishing industry. Maritime Union of New...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga  Posted on July 27, 2014 by admin in Hone Harawira, Press Releases“It’s great to have Georgie on board” said Hone Harawira, MANA...
    The Daily Blog | 27-07
  • Israel/Gaza conflict: Questions and Answers
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Israel/Gaza conflict: Questions and Answers What does Amnesty International think of the resolution passed by the UN Human Rights Council on 23 July? What should happen next?Amnesty International welcomes resolution S-21/1...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Green Party launches plan to protect our beaches from oil spills
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Green Party launches plan to protect our beaches from oil spills Sunday, 27 Jul 2014 | Press Release Like New Zealand chose to go nuclear free, we can add to our national...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Shasha Ali – I am an indigenous person but I will never call ...
    Yesterday was indeed a politically hectic day in Aoteaora New Zealand, especially if you are an activist that cares about both human and non-human animal rights. Protest actions were organised to demand an end to factory farming from about noon, and...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Pro-Israel, Pro-Palestine or ‘Pro-Peace’?
    Latest protest for people of Gaza in Auckland In the past couple of weeks I have heard a lot of people say that they are neither Pro-Israel nor Pro-Palestine; they are pro-peace. This is a stand that I respect. Everyone...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • So we can’t feed the kids, the poor OR the sick now?
    Let me get this straight. We can borrow $10 billion in tax cuts over the last 6 years for the richest NZers, but we can not feed the kids, the poor or even the sick now? Revealed: Warning over hospital food...
    The Daily Blog | 26-07
  • Kim Dotcom has said it, Laila Harre has said it and now David fisher says i...
    Fascinating piece by David Fisher in the NZ Herald breaking down how many opportunities the Government had to listen to officials and stop KDC entering the country and concludes KDC should never have been allowed in… It prepared papers for the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • You, Me and the GCSB Public Meetings
      The GCSB and TICS legislation rushed through Parliament by John Key represent the largest erosion of civil liberties this country has seen since the 1951 Waterfront Lockout. In the post Snowden world we now know a mass surveillance state operating...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • Harré: It’s Game on in Helensville
    Harré: It’s Game on in Helensville Internet Party Leader Laila Harré will stand in John Key’s Helensville electorate because “the Prime Minister has some explaining to do”. Ms Harré wants to debate Mr Key at candidate meetings in his own...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Ministers condemned for failing to meet Papuan journalist
    West Papua Action Auckland is shocked that that Ministers Coleman and Tolley have decided against giving even a brief time to meet with visiting Papuan journalist Victor Mambor (Chair of the Papua Chapter of the Association of Independent Journalists...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Cliff Curtis Apolitical
    While I respect my cousin Annette Sykes commitment in engaging in the political process, I do not endorse or support any political party. I respect all candidates who make the commitment to stand for political office. It requires and takes...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • National getting students into science
    National Party Hutt South candidate Chris Bishop today supported the government’s launch of A Nation of Curious Minds: He Whenua Hirihi I te Mahara, a programme to boost community involvement in the science sector....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • NZ NGOs respond to the worsening humanitarian crisis in Gaza
    NZ NGOs are responding to the worsening humanitarian crisis in the Gaza strip with news today of an upsurge in violence and an increasing number of civilian casualties....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • ACT Candidate for Epsom delighted by second endorsement
    ACT Candidate for Epsom delighted by second endorsement David Seymour, ACT Candidate for Epsom 29/07/2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Colin Craig (sic) Launches New Website
    Colin Craig today advised that his web presence was not large enough, especially when compared to similarly polling parties such as the Internet/Mana Party. “After extensive discussion and advice from my full time legal team, and my IT part timer...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Spat between Minister Smith and Fish and Game overdue – ACT
    With the latest spat between Minister Nick Smith and Fish and Games Bryce Johnston hitting fever pitch, ACT Primary Industry Spokesman Don Nicolson says a review of the Fish and Game legislation will be an ACT ambition in the next...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Maori King challenges Ngapuhi leader to front up
    Following his strong condemnation of the Maori King, Tuheitia yesterday, Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has received a challenge this afternoon from prominent Kingitanga [King Movement] supporter Mamae Takerei....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • ACT Speech to Waikato Conference: Race has no place in law
    David Cunliffe recently apologised to a Women’s Refuge symposium: “I don't often say it – I'm sorry for being a man … because family and sexual violence is overwhelmingly perpetrated by men.” The Prime Minister accused Cunliffe of being insincere....
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • Greg Campbell Chief Executive of Wellington Regional Council
    Chair of Wellington Regional Council, Fran Wilde today announced the appointment of Greg Campbell as Chief Executive of the Council. Greg Campbell will take up the role in September following the departure of outgoing Chief Executive David Benham...
    Scoop politics | 29-07
  • We are going to campaign harder
    “It was great news to learn that John Key says I am his recommendation for Epsom. While the Prime Minister is an important person and he is my pick to remain Prime Minister, John Key is just one voter. I...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Why Green isn’t the best colour for water
    Why Green isn’t the best colour for water Ian Mackenzie is Federated Farmers Environment spokesperson and was on the reference group for the National Objectives Framework. An opinion is also running in the New Zealand Herald. The Green Party recently...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Rainbow Wellington General Election Candidates Forum
    In many ways the transgender community is in a similar position now to that faced by lesbians and gay men a generation ago. It is having to face many of the same difficulties, often based on the same ignorance and...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Defence Lawyer Disgust!!!
    “ The Sensible Sentencing Trust is horrified by Defence Lawyer Steven Zindel's comments at the Sentencing of a Man Jailed for the Rape of his 4 year old daughter .”...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Ōhāriu deserves better than a rort
    The National Party's deal with Peter Dunne is a rort and shows the people of Ōhāriu are being taken for granted, Labour candidate Virginia Andersen says. "Peter Dunne has been placed on political life support by the National Party. His...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • FMC Backs Fish and Game’s Role on Freshwater
    Federated Mountain Clubs today reinforced its strong support for the New Zealand Fish and Game Council's statutory role in advocating for anglers and hunters interests in freshwater. FMC President Robin McNeill stated that the Federation's 17,000 members...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • The Letter: Key Gives Nod for Seymour in Epsom
    This afternoon the PM acknowledged the importance of Epsom to National’s re-election prospects when said he wanted National’s supporters in Epsom to vote for ACT’S David Seymour. We always thought David could win Epsom, for which he has been campaigning...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Forest & Bird supports Fish and Game’s freshwater advocacy
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird is concerned over allegations the Fish & Game Council has been threatened over its advocacy for freshwater quality....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Time for Epsom to say “no deal”
    “Epsom voters will be disgusted by the deal announced today to try and once again gift their electorate to the ACT Party”, says Labour candidate for Epsom Michael Wood....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Petition for release the of seven Bah
    At the invitation of the Honourable Annette King the New Zealand Bahá'í community is presenting a petition to the House of Representatives asking the NZ government to demand the release of the seven former leaders of the Baha’i community in...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Capital gains in the capital city
    Victoria University will today be hosting a public debate on the merits of more comprehensive capital gains tax—a step which taxation expert Associate Professor Dr David White considers would be beneficial for New Zealand. Organised by student group Beta Alpha...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Te Kupenga supports efforts of anti-violence campaigner
    Te Kupenga Whakaoti Mahi Patunga – National Network of Stopping Violence Services (Te Kupenga) wholeheartedly endorses statements made by DJ, Kickboxer and Anti-Violence Campaigner Richie Hardcore this morning on TV3’s Firstline about the role of men...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • iPredict Ltd2014 Election Update #28
    The chances of a fiscal surplus in 2014/15 continue to plunge and are down to 50%, according to the combined wisdom of the 7000 registered traders on New Zealand’s online predictions market, iPredict. The forecast surplus is now just 0.22%...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • TPPA is a bad idea
    “Currently New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Brunei, Vietnam, the USA, Japan, Malaysia, Canada, and Mexico are still negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement. Officially talks finished last August, but the reality is that they keep...
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Getting privacy right in our data future
    Privacy Commissioner John Edwards welcomes the release of the New Zealand Data Futures Forum’s report....
    Scoop politics | 28-07
  • Conference on Democracy, Ethics and the Public Good
    Conference on Democracy, Ethics and the Public Good A conference is to be held in Wellington on 1 and 2 August with the aim of starting a NZ-wide discussion about the quality of our democracy. The conference is hosted jointly...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Paddock to plate, and smart roads possible
    New Zealand’s international brand and exports could grow significantly with the creation of a data sharing ‘eco-system’ according to a paper released by the NZ Data Futures Forum today....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Ngapuhi wants to overthrow Maori King
    Ngapuhi is planning a hui for the end of the year – organised by iwi leader David Rankin – in which the future of the King Movement will be discussed....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Housing warrant of fitness little help for sick children
    A housing warrant of fitness has been promoted as a way of preventing sickness among children in poverty. The attached report shows that such a regime would have little impact on health outcomes but would come at a considerable cost,...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Upcoming Fabian Events in Auckland
    Sue Bradford ’s PhD thesis, 'A major left wing think tank in Aotearoa—an impossible dream or a call to action?' looked at why no major left wing think tank has developed in Aotearoa and whether the left in 2010-2013 was...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Senior Citizens, Not Senile Citizens
    The Taxpayers’ Union is questioning the merits and costs of the “ No car? No problem! Getting around your community without a car” brochure, released by the Office for Senior Citizens. The brochure’s purpose is to explain to senior citizens...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • NZ Troops Hone Their Skills in Queensland
    Around 260 New Zealand troops are on a 25-day Australian-led warfighting exercise in Townsville, Northern Queensland....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Maritime Union backs Green Party call for shipping lanes
    The Maritime Union is backing the Green Party’s policy to implement compulsory shipping lanes for coastal shipping, announced today....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Auckland Council Bypasses Public, Ditches Rodeo Ban
    Auckland Council Bypasses Public, Ditches Rodeo Ban The Auckland Council has announced that they are abandoning the rodeo ban on council land, put into place in 2008. This was done with virtually no consultation, says SAFE, the animal advocacy organisation....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Tolley and Coleman urged to meet West Papuan visitor
    Ministers Tolley and Coleman urged to meet West Papuan visitor Police Minister Anne Tolley and Defence Minister Dr Jonathan Coleman have a rare opportunity this week to gain first-hand knowledge about Indonesian police and military activities in West...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Minister Right to Give Fish & Game a Serve
    Reacting to Radio New Zealand’s report concerning allegations that Conservation Minister Nick Smith warned the Fish and Game Council that it acts like a 'rabid NGO', Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says:...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Government needs to get Fishing reform bill passed now
    The Maritime Union is urging the Government to push through a Bill reforming the fishing industry....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Ivory trade laws look set to tighten following petition
    A petition mounted by an Auckland schoolteacher has won the support of a powerful Select Committee and has moved the New Zealand closer towards a fully enforceable ivory trading ban....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Bilingual guide a demonstration of leadership
    “Waikato River Restoration: A Bilingual Guide” to the Waikato River that saw Tainui Waikato, Landcare Trust and the Waikato River Authority working together is a demonstration of rangatiratanga or leadership says Race Relations Commissioner...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Georgina Beyer to stand for MANA in Te Tai Tonga
    "It's great to have Georgie on board" said Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP. "She's strong-minded, stands up to be counted, and has fought for the rights of those who haven't had any - and won. That...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Sir Bob Harvey
    SUSAN Sir Bob Harvey was behind the transformation of Norm Kirk, and one of New Zealand's most popular Prime Ministers. He also advised Bill Rowling, David Lange and Helen Clark, the latter as Labour Party President. Wild Westie a new...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Rod Drury
    Xero boss Rod Drury told TVNZ’s Q+A programme what the political parties are offering at this election is ‘all too small.’ “There's no policy, all it is a bunch of incremental stuff. “All too small. What we want to do...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Q + A: Gerry Brownlee
    Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee Rules Out Fastracking Auckland’s City Rail Loop Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee told TV1’s Q+A programme this morning that he won’t be bringing forward an Auckland City Rail loop based on new figures showing...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Owen interviews Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey
    Lisa Owen interviews Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey Headlines: Australian Treasurer Joe Hockey suggests “we can move on some” changes to welfare for New Zealanders in Australia New Zealanders “brothers and sisters” who make “a massive contribution”,...
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • Flavell and Harawira on The Nation
    Lisa Owen interviews Maori Party leader Te Ururoa Flavell and Mana leader Hone Harawira Headlines: Hone Harawira says realistically his Mana Party can take three Maori seats, Te Ururoa Flavell sticks to prediction that Maori Party will win all seven....
    Scoop politics | 27-07
  • The Nation 26,27 July: Flavell & Harawira, Joe Hockey
    On The Nation this weekend…. With the Maori seats primed to play a pivotal role this election, Torben Akel reports from the key battlegrounds and meets the top contenders. Then the Maori Party co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell and Mana Party...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Announcement of New Zealand First Candidate for Rangitīkei
    New Zealand First has endorsed Dr Romuald (‘Rom’) Rudzki as the candidate for the Rangitīkei Electorate in the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Labour Offer Len Brown a Hotel Tax
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the Labour Party's plan to allow councils to levy new 'pillow taxes' and regional petrol taxes. Reacting to this afternoon’s NZ Herald report Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union ,...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Cell phone evidence a first
    Cell phone evidence a first Evidence gathered solely from a cell phone has been used for the first time to convict a Hastings man for possessing child sexual abuse pictures. Michael Lawrence Worsnop, a 29-year-old orchard worker pleaded guilty to...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
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