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Written By: - Date published: 7:32 am, February 3rd, 2013 - 128 comments
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There’s a thought in some parts of Labour – in fact, only the Leader’s Corridor, far as I can tell – that they need to ‘put the Greens in their place’, then they will get back the votes that the Greens have taken from them, and that will lead to victory. It’s an Underpants Gnome strategy, missing the crucial link of how doing what they want to do emotionally results in the supposed objective. Better to build together.

Look at the Manufacturing Inquiry. A perfect example of competitive cooperation. Labour joined the Greens after Russel Norman’s call for a select committee inquiry into the crisis in manufacturing was blocked by National. Since then, they’ve been cooperating in the inquiry while both having their own interest in bringing more public attention to the issue through news stories and research, and both trying to bill themselves as being part of the solution, while National isn’t.

In contrast, look at the housing policy. KiwiBuild is very much Shearer’s baby. It is fundamentally flawed – the people its intended for can’t afford it – but it has proven very popular (the last week’s dumbness over what price they can build at, notwithstanding). Labour feels that the Greens have encroached on their space with their Home for Life package, which includes Progressive Ownership – a policy that makes KiwiBuild affordable for young families.

Now, there’s two ways to deal with this.

The Greens’ approach resembles their approach to the Manufacturing Inquiry – offer an opportunity for competitive cooperation in which both parties offer different but complementary solutions to a problem and at the same time frame National as having no answers to the crisis.

The other approach is to seek to undermine the other party’s policy, which has blowback because your own similar policy gets discredited too. That’s what Labour’s Fran Mold seems to have advised Shearer to do on housing in the mistaken belief that discrediting the Greens’ policy would let Labour ‘own the space’.

From the start, Shearer questioned the affordability of the Greens’ plan, before he could have even read the papers – that only echoed Key’s obvious line and started questions about Shearer’s own policy’s affordability. When the Greens showed that $300,000 homes are possible in Auckland, and they exist in Key’s electorate, Shearer started talking about $550,000 4 bedroom homes and Mold called the $300,000 house ‘an embarrassment to KiwiBuild’. It looks like Armstrong’s piece yesterday was fed by Mold too (you know, if she spent half the effort attacking National as she does on attacking Cunliffe and the Greens, she might be worth half her $200K+ pay packet).

Now, it won’t come as any surprise to you which I think is the better option for the Left. The Greens are here to stay as a significant party with around 15% of the vote. Those votes are people that Labour would find very hard to win back. They don’t believe in Labour. Even if Labour somehow managed to hurt the Greens, it would just increase the non-vote among Left Kiwis. Despite impressions over the past four years, I’m pretty sure that’s not Labour’s purpose for being.

Labour and the Greens are not very far apart in either their analysis of the major problems facing the country/National’s weaknesses, or in the solutions – because both have looked at what has worked overseas, and in the past here. The differences are in degree, not type, in general. So, the opportunity arises to be the party that tells the story the best – who holds National to account the best and who best shows themselves ready to be part of an alternative government.

There are some areas where the party’s different brands create an opportunity to target different sets of voters.

The Greens own the environment space and, despite mad talk that Shearer is going to try to take if off them, they will always own it because its core to their brand and they can always move ahead of anything Labour would do in terms of policy.

Labour has a far larger, but shrinking, base in the working class than the predominantly middle class Greens – and it’s also where they’ve been losing votes to non-vote. It would make sense for the Greens to lead the opposition on the environment (as they already do) and for Labour to lead on work rights and wages (as they used to – when those working class people bothered to vote).

No-one’s saying that every policy from each party has to be greeted by the other with unalloyed glee but they should generally be supportive. They should share information. They shouldn’t highlight weaknesses in each other’s policies. They should keep the guns trained on the common foe.

It’s pretty obvious stuff, really. The Left’s not going to win if the Labour is spending its time attacking its primary potential coalition partner because the old guard is angry at the Greens for ‘stealing their votes’. They need to worry about how to grow the Left vote, long before worrying about how its divided between the two of them.

128 comments on “Living together”

  1. karol 1

    It’s not that The Greens have stolen some of Labour’s vote, but that the parliamentary wing of Labour has failed many of their past voters.

    Shane Jones attacks on the Greens is another sad sign of Labour having lost the way. And if Jones is returned to the front bench this week…….?! Another reason not to support Team Shearer.

    • Rosie 1.1

      + 1 Karol.

      This former Labour voter won’t be party voting Labour again. Its party vote Green for me from now on.
      I will however be voting Labour – Charles Chauvel, in my electorate as we need to get rid of Peter Dunne for the sake of the country. It’s possible that it could be done, going on past results.

      • It’s very possible, actually. If Chauvel could mobilise enough of the non-voters and Green voters in his electorate, he could easily edge out Dunne, especially as Dunne is increasingly unpopular in Ohariu.

    • emergency mike 1.2

      +1

      The Green’s didn’t ‘steal’ Labour’s votes, Labour lost them. Like if your girlfriend leaves you for another guy, and you say “That guy stole my girl!”, no, he offered her something she wanted that you were not providing.

      Jebus isn’t it obvious that if Labour presented themselves as being united with the Greens, it would show that this left coalition is a real alternative to NAct? Wouldn’t show Labour’s maturity, i.e. that they want to effect change rather than ‘take power’?

      Thus wouldn’t they be appealing to the 800,000 probably intelligent and left leaning voters who didn’t bother voting last time? Isn’t that where they have the most potential to gain votes AND where they should be looking to gain votes so that the coalition doesn’t need Winston “I hate National; I’m now in a coalition with National” Peters?

      Nah, just carry on playing into National’s hand with the silly games.

  2. I’d like to see a big cup of tea event take place between all opposition party leaders, where they announce should they get the numbers at the next election that they will form a unity government to see NZ through the mess of the national years and prepare the country for the next global meltdown in what ever form it takes, be it financial, oil, environmental or war.
    This should be reflected in the make up of the shadow cabinet with portfolios given to the Greens and others, and also show the co-operation isn’t something to be feared and take the nats scaremongering away from them a year out.
    Less ammunition, less chance of a successful drive by.

    Won’t happen, but then politicians always let politics fuck themselves up.

    • karol 2.1

      Pre-announcing a coalition deal means the smaller party is totally under the control of the larger party. The smaller party needs to hold on to some negotiating chips (for policy preferences) until after the election and the amount of public support for each party is known.

      • The Al1en 2.1.1

        I think it depends on how grown up we see politics in an mmp world.
        I’m sure there have been private discussions about a post election win, and people know they will have to compromise depending on share of the vote.

        I disagree that a pre announced unity government in waiting is a bad thing, and certainly doesn’t put smaller parties or their policies under a bigger parties control, it just shows they will be, results permitting, capable of needing to do what need’s to be done for kiwis in these interesting times.

        I think it’s clear to most that Labour will have to deal with other parties to win in 2014.
        Give the people the chance to see a government of many colours working together before the poll, where each is still quite free to push their own agendas, and you have a government in waiting signalling it’s intention.

        Shearer should show some Prime ministerial leadership and instead of waiting for SJ to be cleared, get a Green or two on the front benches and start acting like a PM in waiting.

      • Colonial Viper 2.1.2

        Pre-announcing a coalition deal means the smaller party is totally under the control of the larger party.

        That’s why you don’t pre-announce the coalition deal – you announce a campaigning deal. In the last couple of months before the election but after you’ve worked together and co-ordinated attacks for a year, you then race to see who can take Berlin first.

        • The Al1en 2.1.2.1

          “In the last couple of months before the election but after you’ve worked together and co-ordinated attacks for a year, you then race to see who can take Berlin first.”

          Agree with the latter, but respectfully suggest announcing a working way before, especially seeing everyone knows it’s the only way it’ll happen anyway, would show credibility, leadership and positive direction to sway voters, and the country as a whole.
          Pro act, not react.

  3. Foreign Waka 3

    Time to have a new labour party that can team up with the greens. The greens have not taken away from labour but have shored up the undecided, disinterested, finding a valid alternative section.

  4. Cayte Shepherd 4

    Competitive cooperation. What?

    Competition is bound up in cooperation. Competition is cooperation. How on earth do you have a sports tournament, which is apparently the ultimate in competition, without cooperation? It just would not happen! Competition is cooperation. Members of the team cooperate with each other through positions of specificity, that is how the play flows. Each team agrees to the rules, thereby they agree to cooperate with each other and the ref. This enables the game to happen. All teams agree to cooperate with the call and decisions of the impartial third party, the ref.

    Summing up. You cannot have competition without cooperation. They are opposite sides of the same coin.

    Labour and The Greens are thus cooperating as the leaders in the only alternative government. What other options are there as NACT et al must go?

    • IrishBill 4.1

      I’ve always enjoyed a good sports metaphor but I’m struggling to understand the point you’re making with this one. If it’s no trouble, can you please clarify what you mean?

      • Cayte Shepherd 4.1.1

        What I mean has already been stated and no sports metaphor is required.
        That is you cannot have competition without cooperation. If there is no agreement to cooperate you then have contest and rivalry with no impartial third party to adjudicate. As for true competition the third party is essential.
        Perhaps read some sports psychology for futher illustration. Ken Hodge is a good author

        • IrishBill 4.1.1.1

          No, I understood the vehicle of the metaphor. It’s the ground and the tenor I’m struggling with. With relation to the Greens and Labour, who or what is the ref? Who is cooperating and how? And what is the competition they are cooperating on?

          I’m sorry if I’m being obtuse – I quite like your concept but I can’t square it away.

        • just saying 4.1.1.2

          inter or intra-group cooperation?

          Contest and rivalry are synonyms for competition.

          The reason this muddling of competition and cooperation infuriates me because I smells to me of third-way neoliberalism which blurs the distinction between competing interests in favour of the interests of the rich and powerful, wherever interests conflict.

          a la trickle-down, PPPs private contractors providing public services……etc….

          • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.2.1

            The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.

            We can do better, and we must do better. A gumdrop for anyone who places the quote without Google ;)

    • just saying 4.2

      Wow.

      I mean…..wow.

      So 1984 wasn’t a novel after all. Who knew?

      You do see how your analogy falls down? Team members cooperate with each other to beat the opposition. Competition is by its very nature win/lose.

      If it’s not win/lose between individiuals or groups, it’s not competition, it’s something else.

      There are times when sometime competitors cooperate with each other to beat another. That’s still competition, just not with each other.

      Winning necessitates losers. The term win/win is simply a bastardisation of the word ‘win’

    • MrSmith 4.3

      “You cannot have competition without cooperation.”

      We only cooperate because we see more benefit in doing so than not, we cooperate to that point normally, after that we will scratch each others eyes out to win if allowed too.

      eg: We don’t give the other team our tactics before the game.

    • Bill 4.4

      sheesh, okay. Competition means winners and losers. Dominance and subservience can be the reality beneath a mere label of cooperation and can result in compromises and horse trading just like competition.

      Substantive cooperation involves taking position 1 and position 2 (+ positions 3 and 4 if applicable) and finding the highest common denominator from all positions – or synthesising a novel proposition that pays attention to all of the impartially percieved pro’s and con’s of all the positions.

      In other words, substantive cooperation often leads to the discovery of results or solutions that are novel and greater than the sum part of all the stated positions.

      Could the Greens play a positive role in such a scenario? I suspect they could. Could Labour? meh. I’m immediately drawn to the unlikely image a Tyranosaurus Rex picking up knitting needles in its wee truncated forearms to fashion a jumper to stave off the cold; just not a happening thing.

      But yeah, political bodies can evolve a damned sight faster than physical ones – so who knows what the future may hold. The question is whether decent people can ‘make it’ in today’s political environment.

    • geoff 4.5

      Competition is cooperation

      Absolutely! Love is war! Freedom is slavery! Ignorance is Strength! Absolutely Cayte, top-hole stuff that. You’re certainly on ..er..onto something there.

  5. Jenny 5

    Look at the Manufacturing Inquiry. A perfect example of competitive cooperation. Labour joined the Greens after Russel Norman’s call for a select committee inquiry into the crisis in manufacturing was blocked by National. Since then, they’ve been cooperating in the inquiry while both having their own interest in bringing more public attention to the issue through news stories and research, and both trying to bill themselves as being part of the solution, while National isn’t.

    Eddie

    ….Climate change has the ability to undo your historic victories and crush your present struggles. So it’s time to come together, for real, and fight to preserve and extend what you care most about — which means engaging in the climate fight, really engaging, as if your life and your life’s work, even life itself, depended on it. Because they do.

    Naomi Kleine “I’d Rather Fight Like Hell”

    I would like to support EDDIE’s call to reject the narrow sectarian call from the “Leader’s Corridor” to ‘put the Greens in their place’.

    To all the four opposition political parties; Labour, New Zealand First, Greens, Mana I would like to amplify Naomi Kleines call, that it’s time to forget your sectarian differences and come together, for real, and fight to preserve and extend what you all really care most about.

    For Naomi Kleine this means left parties working together around, and engaging in the climate fight. As Kleine says, …really engaging as if your life and all your other life’s work depend on it.

    To this end, I think that the great work that these four parties have shown over the crisis in manufacturing, that EDDIE speaks of, should not be a one off. But should be continued and extended.

    To this end, I would like to ask all four parties to consider holding another parliamentary enquiry some time in the coming two years, this time, into the crisis in the climate.

    Even more than the crisis in manufacturing which is being ignored by John Key and his government, the Key government is even weaker and more vulnerable in their record of complete lack of action and backtracking over the crisis in the climate.

    Just as they did for the ‘Parliamentary Inquiry into the Crisis in Manufacturing’, National will again refuse to attend. Which will further weaken and expose them in the eyes of the voting public. Such an enquiry as well as exposing this government’s lack of concern on the climate, would also be complementary to, and extend the work of, the current all party Parliamentary Enquiry into Manufacturing, by helping identify where many of the future jobs in manufacturing will come from in this, the 21st Century.

    • handle 5.1

      Jenny if you insist on banging on about climate change in every single post, at least spell your heroine’s name right.

      • Jenny 5.1.1

        Thank you for pointing that out to me handle. I have no idea where I got the idea to throw in an extra e. Believe me no one is more ashamed and appalled at my bad grammar and spelling than me. Sorry for being human. And thank God for spell check, or it would be much worse. I can tell you.

        PS Klein should be everyone’s hero.

  6. Te Reo Putake 6

    “Now, it won’t come as any surprise to you which I think is the better option for the Left. The Greens are here to stay as a significant party with around 15% of the vote”

    15%!

    The Greens hit that mark a couple of times in the Morgan poll a year or so ago. But, they certainly have no chance of acheiving it in the real poll because of their name and associated branding. The last election result was a worldwide high tide mark for any Green party and I imagine their election KPI will be to repeat the 11%.

    Frankly, I doubt Labour are the least bit bothered where the Greens end up as long as they stay a viable coalition partner and, importantly, show some maturity around close electorate races. We should never forget that it was Green voters who returned Paula Bennett to Parliament.

    Anyhoo, interesting post, Eddie. As always, I favour electoral blocs. If the Greens and the LP went into the election clearly indicating that a party vote for either was a vote for a progressive government, then the risk of Winston Peters being part of the mix diminishes.

    • IrishBill 6.1

      Agreed TRP. I reckon there’s also space for them to be distinct enough to take the vote. I’ve not seen any analysis but I’ve a feeling Labour has a better chance of capturing the enrolled non-vote than the Greens (because of Labour’s diversity and on-the-ground organisation), and I think the Greens have a better chance of taking some of the urban liberal vote that Key brought to National but that is increasingly disillusioned by them now.

      • QoT 6.1.1

        On the other hand, a lot of non-voters (my understanding is) are young people, and while the Greens don’t have the on-the-ground infrastructure they sure cane all other parties on online engagement. I didn’t see any Labour candidates running AMA threads on Reddit, for example.

        • Colonial Weka 6.1.1.1

          Interesting read.

          (wish the GP would stop thinking that everyone reads the news though. The idea that they can stand someone in an electorate and ask them, via publicity, to only give the Greens the party vote is pretty stupid. Lots of people are going to turn up to the polling booth and tick both boxes because they want to support the GP and they don’t follow election campaigns).

          • QoT 6.1.1.1.1

            I guess the net result is the same for the Greens, though. And isn’t some election funding based on number of electorate candidates? Some of our systems need to catch up to the MMP world.

    • Colonial Viper 6.2

      The Greens hit that mark a couple of times in the Morgan poll a year or so ago. But, they certainly have no chance of acheiving it in the real poll because of their name and associated branding.

      Listen to what TRP has to say: in the corridors of Labour it’s received wisdom that the Greens will top out at an absolute maximum ceiling of around 13% and even that would be pushing it for them. 15% is seen as pretty much an impossibility by labour strategists.

      • Te Reo Putake 6.2.1

        Thanks for bigging me up, CV! If I really was a Labour Party strategist, Phil Goff would be Prime Minister now and John Key would be self medicating on Waikiki beach.

        • Colonial Viper 6.2.1.1

          Then I wish you’d had the job when they needed you mate, we’d be all way better off.

    • Bill 6.3

      Since the last election, a few things have transpired. These are ‘off the cuff’ remarks and sure, the Greens may be a 10 -15% junior partner.

      But…

      Who is taking the lead on poverty issues? My perception is that where might have been Labour, it’s now the Greens.

      Who is releasing ‘hands on’ econoomic policy? Labour whitter on about it while the Greens do it.

      Who embraced the anti-asset sales and really ran with it? The Greens – while Labour wound up mumble-fucking some god-awful compromised position through Hipkins.

      And what about Winston and all those left votes he got so that somebody might give Key some jip? He won’t get those votes again. Will they go to Labour next election or the Greens? Well, since Labour have positioned themselves as a mumbling National lite….I’m picking Green.

      And if the Greens can make inroads on that section of the electorate abandoned by Labour…

      Regardless of where the Greens wind up on election day, it’s high time Labour stopped with the unimpressive cock waving.

      • Tiresias 6.3.1

        +1 Bill

        Labour are leaving it to the Greens to do the heavy lifting, and in order to fill the vacuum left on the left as it were the Greens are having to get into areas outside their core and which they have neither the depth nor resources to plumb – and that way lies inevitable traps and stumbles for them.

        The Manufacturing Enquiry is a brilliant example of what I mean. For the Greens to come up with a complete economic package to solve the problem is just not feasible, and even if they did the fact that it came from the Greens would in the minds of many folk make it whatever it said the equivalent of a Taleban policy on the place of women in society. Cleverly they brought the others on board both to bring in the depth and experience and to leven the perception that any manufacturing policy from the Greens would be bound to be all about bringing back hand-knitting scarves.

        But the Greens can’t do it for every policy area. Labour is going have to start pulling its weight in the areas the GP can’t or needn’t get dragged into – education, police, prisons, Foreign Affairs. Yes the GP has views and ideas in these areas and needs to have an influence, but not to have to come up with full policies from scratch. With a bigger more general and popular Left-wing party to fight the major battles they shouldn’t have to.

        But I feel the GP, like me, feels that leaving everything until two-weeks out from an election and hoping it’ll be all right on the night isn’t good enough.

    • Fortran 6.4

      MSM still see Winston as the Kingmaker as before.

      • CV - Real Labour 6.4.1

        If he gets 6%-7% he may well be. And he’s going to love working with Hone and the Greens so much he might just head back to National.

    • fatty 6.5

      But, they certainly have no chance of acheiving it in the real poll because of their name and associated branding.

      What do you mean by their name and branding? I would be surprised if the Greens got less than 15% in 2014. I think the name Green is now a strength, rather than a weakness. As for their branding, this is where they trump all other parties except National. The Greens have slick marketing which is extending their popularity into previously excluded generations, classes and geographical areas.
      Green capitalism is the new neoliberalism, which is why the Greens are not shrinking anytime soon. The Greens also have the ability to load themselves up with academics and not look like a bunch of twats. Look at what Labour did to their academic poster boy.

      We should never forget that it was Green voters who returned Paula Bennett to Parliament.

      How do you figure that? Its more logical to blame Bradford here, Bradford’s 300 votes would have got Labour over the line, but that view ignores the real reason why Paula got back in – Labour from 2008-2011.
      Bradford had to jump in because Labour’s incompetence and inability to even debate Paula, let alone challenge her, had given Paula no opposition. The people that voted Mana/Green in Waitakere could have voted for Sepuloni, but Labour didn’t deserve their vote.
      Labour and Ardern are the reasons why Paula won in 2011, and probably why Paula will win again in 2014. Expecting Waitakere voters to vote for incompetence is hopeful and harsh.

      • handle 6.5.1

        “We should never forget that it was Green voters who returned Paula Bennett to Parliament.”

        Wasn’t she on National’s party list anyway? MMP is not that hard to understand.

    • JK 6.6

      TRP – was it the Greens vote in Waitakere, or was it Sue Bradford standing for MANA which spoiled
      that electorate vote for Labour ? I thought it was the latter.

      • Descendant Of Sssmith 6.6.1

        “was it the Greens vote in Waitakere, or was it Sue Bradford standing for MANA which spoiled that electorate vote for Labour ? I thought it was the latter.”

        Funny I thought it was Labour’s inability to get enough votes to win the seat.

        But keep blaming everyone else.

      • Anne 6.6.2

        I believe you’re right JK. It was the latter.

        The Waitakere electorate has a higher than average no. of Maori constituents. Many of them will be on the Maori roll but I think you will find that those on the General roll voted for Sue Bradford. I recall her asking them to give their electorate vote to Carmel, but it was inevitable they didn’t pick it up and Bradford must have known that would happen. It’s unfair to blame the Greens for that one.

        Btw DoS: the electorate has undergone some dramatic boundary changes and now includes quite a large swathe of western Tory land. It stopped being a safe Labour seat two elections ago. Despite the obstacles Carmel did well to come within 9 votes of winning.

        • Colonial Weka 6.6.2.1

          FFS, both Mana and the GP stood candidates in the electorate. The GP candidate got 1,855 votes, and the Mana candidate got 322. The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party got 331. Looks to me like the stupidity can be shared around.

          • Anne 6.6.2.1.1

            Control that fuse of yours CW. No-one is disputing both parties stood candidates.

            If (as someone has already pointed out) the 322 votes for the Mana candidate had gone to Carmel – as Bradford requested during the campaign – then Carmel Sepuloni would be the electorate MP.

            Bradford had to jump in because Labour’s incompetence and inability to even debate Paula, let alone challenge her, had given Paula no opposition. The people that voted Mana/Green in Waitakere could have voted for Sepuloni, but Labour didn’t deserve their vote.

            Complete bullshit Fatty. Carmel was an excellent candidate and she gave Bennett a run for her money, but she was up against it from the start because of the boundary changes. And for your info. that is not meant as an excuse. Many a good candidate or MP has lost their seat due to adverse boundary changes – it’s the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

            The fact is she very nearly won against the odds.

            • fatty 6.6.2.1.1.1

              Complete bullshit Fatty. Carmel was an excellent candidate and she gave Bennett a run for her money

              Read my point again in its entirety, It was not aimed at Carmel’s competence/incompetence. Firstly I said Bradford was more to ‘blame’ than the Green MP. Then I said Bradford had to jump in cause Labour couldn’t even debate or challenge Paula – that is a shot aimed at Ardern (the Labour MP who was supposed to be an opposition to Bennett over the past 4 years).
              My comment was not aimed at Carmel. How do you think it was…read the last line again:
              Labour and Ardern are the reasons why Paula won in 2011, and probably why Paula will win again in 2014. Expecting Waitakere voters to vote for incompetence is hopeful and harsh.

    • Shane Gallagher 6.7

      Here are some numbers:

      PartyVote:

      The Greens nearly doubled the percentage of party votes they got from 2008 to 2011 – 6.47% – 10.6%

      How did Labour do? It lost 2% off its party vote from 39.7% in 2008 to 37.2% in 2011

      In candidate polling

      Green’s Stewart 5.49% in 2008 and Tollestrup 6.16% in 2011

      Labour’s Pillay got 42.83% in 2008 and Sepuloni 44.71% in 2011

      So where did the Green’s 4% go to if not voting for the Green candidate? Well I guess most of it went to the Labour candidate who was losing the party vote whilst the Greens were doubling theirs. So the Green voters probably nearly got Sepuloni over the line.

      • fatty 6.7.1

        nice breakdown Shane Gallagher

        I think its quite clear to everyone that Paula Bennett got back in because Labour decided to waste everyone’s time by putting up a candidate in Waitakere.

  7. “Frankly, I doubt Labour are the least bit bothered where the Greens end up as long as they stay a viable coalition partner”

    That’s not very ‘inclusive’.
    I thought DS said he’d do things differently.

    • Te Reo Putake 7.1

      I’m not DS.

      • The Al1en 7.1.1

        Obviously, I can understand you and could probably take an accurate guess at what you really stand for. ;)

        It should be us against them. Not me, him, him and her against them.
        United we stand, divided they fall.
        Always works.

    • Fortran 7.2

      I doubt that the Greens see it that way – they are not born to subserviency, now that after over 20 years of MMP, which they effectively created, they see power.

      • Colonial Viper 7.2.1

        Exactly. If the Greens deliver 18-20 seats to a Coalition Government, they are going to want a lot of portfolios and a lot of space in Cabinet.

        Both Metiria and Norman are going to want top Ministerial Positions. And there’s not going to be much to go around.

        • Te Reo Putake 7.2.1.1

          Nah, plenty of associate, outside cabinet roles to placate green egos. The interesting question will be how deep Norman sticks the knife in Turei’s back in order to get himself a plum spot.

          • Colonial Viper 7.2.1.1.1

            You think the Greens will really settle for only two or three Cabinet spots?

            They’d be giving their support away pretty cheaply for that little.

            • Te Reo Putake 7.2.1.1.1.1

              Well, it depends on how many seats the GP get and what portfolios they really, really want. If they want the ones that impact on climate change, then they may have to compromise on the total number of cabinet spots. Plus, they have no previous ministerial experience to draw on, as Peters and Dunne will point out, if they are in the mix.

              So my pick would be a modest number of cabinet places, backed up with a slightly larger number of associate spots. 2017 they should be in great shape to really push for the economiy related roles.

              • Colonial Viper

                Peters and Dunne will want their own Cabinet spots of course, but I can’t see the Greens giving way on their own Cabinet demands to please Peters and Dunne.

              • bad12

                Yeah i would guess 4 full Cabinet positions along with a number of associate spots, in that i would expect the Green’s to get Deputy Prime Minister, Social Development, Conservation, Finance as an equal with Labour’s Minister, Housing as an equal with Labour’s Minister, and, Economic Development as an equal with Labour’s Minister,

                Thus there need not be a comprehensive coalition agreement with as many pages as a dictionary, Legislation and Government by negotiation and agreement would seem the best way forward for the country…

                • Colonial Viper

                  Greens will try for Environment as well; Labour won’t give Finance to the Greens.

                  • bad12

                    Lol missed that one, my bad, without a near equal say in Finance and Economic development the Green Party might not want to play at all,

                    Remember which Party has the most to lose in a coalition arrangement and it aint Labour,

                    Myself and probably quite a number of Green Party members would be just as happy with the Green Party sitting outside of Government negotiating Legislation bill by bill clause by clause while setting any agreement against a specific piece of Legislation proposed by the Green Party,

                    I have the sneaking suspicion that the present Labour leadership is ‘hands on the economy’ as lip service only and if that’s what transpires Green Party involvement in Government as Ministers will probably harm the Green Party electorally more then it will the Labour Party…

                    • fatty

                      Remember which Party has the most to lose in a coalition arrangement and it aint Labour,

                      So true.
                      Ask the lib dems how their coalition has worked for them.
                      A poorly planned coalition could wreck the Greens for years

                    • Jenny

                      This is a certainty. Especially if the Greens sign up to becoming part of a government that persists with Denniston, or fracking, or deep sea oil prospecting, or more motorway madness.

                  • Don’t forget Transport and Energy, in many ways they’re actually just as relevant to Environment as Environment itself is. If the Greens don’t get Finance, (which honestly I don’t think is a good idea for the Greens to have, not because Norman doesn’t compare well with the potential Labour finance picks, but rather because I think the Greens would have more and better impact in other cabinet positions which they could push for leverage in getting by requesting Finance then gracefully conceding it in favour of other important cabinet positions) they’ll be pushing hard for at least one of those two.

          • bad12 7.2.1.1.2

            Nice attempt at creating division in the ranks of the Green Party,(only in your mind TRP),

            You see the Green Party is a fully democratic party, should Russell Norman as you say stick the knife into the back of Metiria Turei He would have to do so with the full backing of the Green Party membership,

            If He did not have that full backing of the Green Party membership guess which position Russell would occupy on the all important Green Party list Russell would occupy after the next membership list ranking,

            Here’s a hint, think in the 20’s….

            • Colonial Viper 7.2.1.1.2.1

              So he’d be a backbencher the next time around ;)

            • Te Reo Putake 7.2.1.1.2.2

              Bad, I think I’m allowed a little leeway given the regular posts here claiming division in the labour caucus where clearly none currently exists ;)

              • bad12

                Are you suggesting that such ‘stirring’ is by Green Party members, as far as i can see those who say which Party they are members of usually say they are Labour Party members,

                Lolz you are allowed as much leeway here as you wish to give yourself, it would be nice tho that when called on a point of bullshit you admit it to be such,(i know an almost impossible concept for anyone to come to terms with)…

              • QoT

                Calling this site’s authors liars is usually not the smartest move.

                • Te Reo Putake

                  Quite right’ QoT. Good thing I put the smiley thing there to indicate it wasn’t a serious comment or somebody more pompous than yourself might have acted precipitously.

                  • QoT

                    If you think that one smiley clearly conveys which bit of your comment was being cheeky/facetious/whatever … well, yes, I guess that would fit in with your usual approach to communicating clearly. bad12 clearly didn’t get the “joke” either.

    • handle 7.3

      “Frankly, I doubt Labour are the least bit bothered where the Greens end up as long as they stay a viable coalition partner”

      Wouldn’t it be the Greens thinking that, about Labour?

  8. shorts 8

    a lot of labour supporters, (myself and my peers for example), vote for the Labour Candidate and Party vote Green – there’s a reason we do this

    Labour won’t get our party vote until they stop with their petty bullshit… which this post highlights a part of… the party does stand to lose our candidate vote due to their petty bullshit

    • Ed 8.1

      I don’t see that this post says anything about LAbour other than a personal opinion. It starts by asserting (without any evidence being offered) that some “Leaders Corridor” wants to put the Greens in their place, and then goes on to demonstrate how Labour and the Greens have cooperated on an Inquiry . . .

      As far as Housing is concerned, I do believe that Labours policy would have benefited from some policy detail – and of being talked about as a more flexible and inclusive plan than it was initially interpreted as (I’m sure no-one really thought they were going to find vacant sections through inner city suburbs in Auckland to erect stand-alone houses for all of the target build). The Greens policy does seem to mesh well – my impression is that there has been good discussions to ensure that each party has had ‘good news’ to deliver, retaining their own identity, maximising news coverage, while supporting broadly common aims. Yes Shearer did lead the launching of the Housing policy, but I have seen no sign that it is not supported by other Labour MPs, or the party generally.

      Not everyone is as downbeat about the ability to lower building costs by bulk-building standard units – an article in yesterdays dompost “Ryman adds to its villages” (I couldn’t find it on line) said: “Chief Executive Simon Challies says affordable housing can be made available for New Zealand families and its developments are proving it. “… “The standard, low-maintenance two and three-bedroom townhouses are being sold for $350,000 to $400,000, with a discount for first buyers” It goes on to talk about people moving into these freeing up other houses in the area. Ryman do look for a profit on their developments – and those would include the buy-back provisions that net Ryman 20% or so, but what if the profit motive was reduced for a government development?

      Consistently showing National up as the cynical deceptive bastards they are will at times require some actions that appear petty (the last minute nomination for Speaker comes to mind), but perhaps some commentators are a little petty is perceived mionor differences between LAbour and Green (which we should celebrate – there are legitimate differences within a broad left agenda), rather than prioritising getting a Labour/Green coalition into power.

      • bad12 8.1.1

        Agree with you on this, you have to remember that there are 100’s of Hectares of land across Auckland that the Government has locked up in the housing estate,

        The tenants of the houses which sit upon this 100’s of Hectares of land are not unilaterally opposed to these areas being redeveloped, their recent loud objection (riot) in the West of Auckland to the National Government’s redevelopment was because that Government was removing 100’s of State houses from the area and only planning to replace a third of these giving to the private developers the remainder of the land freed up by erecting more compact housing on smaller sections,

        Should the tenants of State houses be properly consulted i guarantee that if the same number of new State houses be built in the redeveloped areas as previously existed alongside those of the KiwiBuild and the Green Party’s ‘rent to buy’ housing there would be very little objection…

      • Jenny 8.1.2

        Consistently showing National up as the cynical deceptive bastards they are will at times require some actions that appear petty (the last minute nomination for Speaker comes to mind), but perhaps some commentators are a little petty is perceived mionor differences between LAbour and Green (which we should celebrate – there are legitimate differences within a broad left agenda), rather than prioritising getting a Labour/Green coalition into power.

        Ed

        That’s just it Ed. Arguing that attacking the Nats will at some times require actions that appear petty, as justifying Labour Party attacks on the Greens, exposes you as a climate change ignorer and sectarian Shearer apologist. As you say some Labour Party commenters like yourself are quite happy to allow and even “celebrate” perceived minor differences between Labour and Green. Which you describe as, “legitimate differences within a broad left agenda“.

        The hidden message to the Greens, which they hear loud and clear, is don’t go too far. Or else!

        Because the Labour Party are welded to the fossil fuel economy. Any policies that threaten that. Are not seen as “minor”, or “legitimate” differences, so will not be tolerated.

        This goes a long way to explain why the Green Party will not promote any policies that directly take on climate change, or why the Green Party refuse to make climate change one of the Green Party’s priorities.

        • Ed 8.1.2.1

          I would prefer that parties did not play the petty games that National consistently play, I suspect that the Mallard nomination was not necessary, but some reaction to game playing may be required at times just to keep National from getting worse. That has nothing to do with climate change, and does not make me a Shearer apologist. It does not send any message to the Greens – or do you claim they are not part of the broad left? If we all cooperate and argue for what we believe in, resulting policy will be better informed, allow for compromise where that is possible, and prioritise issues for action in accordance with a broad consensus – that does not favour any part of what I hope becomes the next govenment.

          I don;t see any evidence that Labour are “welded to a fossil economy” – facing the reality as both the Green and Labour parties do, that change is necessary and difficult does not say we should give up – but there is a discussion needed about the rate of change and what comes first . . .

          I would be disappointed if you are correct that the Green Party have given up on climate change because of a perception that Labour would not tolerate a different view – that doesn’t seem to fit my perception of commitment by both Green / Labour (or if you prefer Labour/Green) to reverse some of the nastier actions of National regarding ‘climate change’ policies that were introduced under the previous government.

          • Colonial Viper 8.1.2.1.1

            but there is a discussion needed about the rate of change and what comes first . . .

            There’s really no discussion. The window of change and preparation is the next 20-25 years, with only the next 10 with any real freedom to move in.

          • Jenny 8.1.2.1.2

            I would be disappointed if you are correct that the Green Party have given up on climate change because of a perception that Labour would not tolerate a different view – that doesn’t seem to fit my perception of commitment by both Green / Labour (or if you prefer Labour/Green) to reverse some of the nastier actions of National regarding ‘climate change’ policies that were introduced under the previous government.

            Just check out the Green Party web site. Climate Change is not one of the Green Party “Priorities”. It is not even one of their “Other priorities”

            But it is one of their 59 “Other issues”.

            Does New Zealand’s premier environmental party give climate change such a low ranking to please the Labour Party?

            Or do they genuinely believe that climate change should not be a Green Party priority and is just another issue among many others?

            I am afraid that you will have to ask the Green Party yourself, as to their reasoning for this selling out of the planet and our children and grandchildren’s futures.

  9. Colonial Viper 9

    It looks like Armstrong’s piece yesterday was fed by Mold too (you know, if she spent half the effort attacking National as she does on attacking Cunliffe and the Greens, she might be worth half her $200K+ pay packet).

    $200K+ remuneration? Surely you could find a Toby Ziegler or Sam Seabourne at that price.

    • IrishBill 9.1

      I’ve got to say, Eddie, that I’m not comfortable with this kind of comment about staffers in a post. Unlike MPs, who can speak publicly, they have no ready right of reply.

      • Te Reo Putake 9.1.1

        Plus one, Irish. It’s not needed .

        And I’m sure we all agree making DS look electable is the toughest job in NZ PR so whatever the salaty, she’s working hard for her coin.

        • Colonial Viper 9.1.1.1

          That’s not far off Cabinet Minister level pay you’re talking about there. Close to what Shearer gets paid himself as Leader.

        • Yawn 9.1.1.2

          generally, the idea with a job like this – where you serve entirely at the leader’s discretion and there’s no pay grade system, it’s just decided by the CoS in negotiation with you – is that you get paid lots for being GOOD at your job, not for merely occupying it.

    • McFlock 9.2

      They were fictional characters.

      Any NZ equivalent has fled overseas in the past ten years.

  10. Karen 10

    When the Labour Party housing policy was announced last year it seemed like at last we were seeing some decent policy that could be built on. Since then the Greens have supplied the bits missing from that policy, while the David Shearer has made such a mess of promoting what was supposed to be his defining policy that the MSM have been able to tear the whole thing apart. I don’t know who is to blame, all I know is that the Labour Party hasn’t got a chance in hell of winning the next election against one of the worst governments NZ has ever had. This long term Labour Party voter will be voting Green next time.

    • Socialist Paddy 10.1

      There seems to be a blockage in getting policy developed and released and the leadership seems totally unable to adjust or explain.

      The communication is shyte. There is no clarity of thought.

      Labour needs to get its stuff together or otherwise the Greens will take over as the major party of the left.

      • Naturesong 10.1.1

        Hell, I’d be happy if Labour could execute the most basic politicking;
        – making the National Government pay for their gross incompetence
        – make it clear to the public the end result of National Party policies, there is a wealth of current data showing downward trends to prove this point across range of sectors; education, manufacturing, housing, defense … the list goes on.
        – disarm the everpresent corrosive and divisive rhetoric that the National Party has been using for the last four years; telling the middle class that the working class (and unemployed) is taking their stuff.
        It seems the Greens, the Manufacturers and the Teachers Unions are having to do all the heavy lifting.
        If Labour actually wants to defeat National in the next election, they need to pull finger.

      • KhandallaViper 10.1.2

        Listening to National Radio in the morning is painful to a Labour supporter.
        Green spokespersons are quoted or interviewed far more often than Labour ones.
        When journos want and opposition comment they go to the Greens.
        When Young people look for a stimulating party they go to the Greens.

        Labour should be the party of challenge, change and energy.

        • David H 10.1.2.1

          But at the moment labour is the party of stogy, out of date, Nat lite, self interested, deaf fools. And until the dinosaurs are hunted down, and corralled, where they can do no more harm, then this will not change!

        • AmaKiwi 10.1.2.2

          @ Khandalla

          Too late, Khandalla. The Greens ARE the opposition. Listen to Green MP Julie Genter’s reply to Shearer’s $12 billion roading policy. She shredded him. Devastating factual speech. Superior delivery.

          At age 33 she put National AND Labour’s leaders to shame.

    • MrSmith 10.2

      Agreed Karen.

      Shearer and King hadn’t done there homework again, before they announced this policy they should have had all the sums, examples and facts ready for all the questions they were likely to be asked, but then shearer probably wouldn’t have been able to remember them when asked, as if you ask me he suffers from the same problem a lot of us suffer from stage fright, he may get over this, but can Labour risk it.

  11. Benjamin B. 11

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg_state_election,_2011

    In which the Greens get 24%, the Social Democrats 23%, and the Conservatives a historic low of 39%. The PM there is Green, partnering with the Social Democrats.

    I’m not saying it’s likely to happen here soon, but, knowing about it is politics 101, and, never say never :)

  12. RJLC 12

    Labour are a walking corpse.

    Strong party political loyalties are very difficult to lose, but once lost, very, very much harder to reclaim.

    Labour’s traditional base were betrayed by the 4th LGovt. – yet many of us remained loyal while we waited in vain for Clark to reverse the institutionalised damage of the 4thLG and Ruth Richardson’s later work.

    We knew Goff would never return to Labour’s core values.

    In final desperation we gave Shearer a year’s grace in which to display some sort of vision , he blew it.

    It’s an absolute insanity to think that attacking the Greens, for crime of occupying the ground that Labour itself should own, will win back Labour’s lost traditional vote.

    NZ Labour – Look to yourself ! get your own house in order.

    • David H 12.1

      Shades of the Green Mile. “Dead man walking, we got a Dead man walking here.” But it should be Dead party.

  13. AmaKiwi 13

    The Greens are steadily winning the youth vote (Morgan poll).

    21% of Green MP’s are under the age of 34 (Hughes, Walker, Genter). Their leaders are 42 and 45.

    Unless Labour’s dinosaur brigade drowns in the tar pits, the trend is obvious. The Greens will steadily increase while Labour stumbles to extinction.

    And I haven’t begun to tell you the dozens of ways in which The Green Party is light years ahead of Labour in its culture, governance, p.r., and policies.

    • Andre 13.1

      Age group 15-29 ….936.000 potential green voters Age group 30-44…..875,000 potential green voters 85% NZ connected to internet………..

      • James Thrace 13.1.1

        Nowhere is this more evident than on Facebook

        National: 3200 “likes”
        Labour: 7333 “likes”
        Greens: 20175 “likes”

        Phenomenal. And you can be sure that greens will be using their page far more effectively than Labour.

        Of course there’s a curious distinction to be made between Keys hundreds of thousands of likes and Nationals. It’s definitely the John Key Party.

  14. handle 14

    If Shearer is being advised against using his coalition-building skills we hear about, he seriously needs better advisors. Now.

    • Colonial Weka 14.1

      You’d think he could figure this one out for himself, it’s a bit of a no-brainer.

  15. Skinny 15

    What Labour need to do is recognize and acknowledge that dissatisfied National ( middle income swing) voters will cast protest votes to either the Greens or NZ First but probably not Labour. However many of the non voters from the last election should gravitate towards Labour ‘if incentive polices are put in place.’ With job creation & education, plus decent welfare polices as the carrot. I can see Labour owning this ground as they should, we are talking hundreds of thousands of votes. However, Shearer & his advisors are rather dogmatically, overly chasing the middle voters, which is a tactical error in my opinion. I will be watching closely any softening of a capital gains tax.          

  16. Cynder 16

    Just before the 1999 Election, the Alliance invited Helen Clark to its Conference and the two Leaders announced that both parties would work together to change the Government. There was a mood for change with the hikoi of hope and the early announcement of a unity Government captured this mood, winning the hearts and minds of New Zealanders.
    The Alliance subsequently blew it by rigidly adhering to Cabinet collective responsibility and failing to enact the “agree to disagree” provisions of the Coalition agreement.
    The Greens stayed out of the Coalition and in so doing were ineffective in seeing implementation of their policies.
    Labour and the Greens can learn from this. We can show voters that we can work together in Government to create a fairer, more equal society for all New Zealanders, while protecting our environment.
    Although I have some sympathy with the idea that each Party should play to our strengths, I don’t agree that Labour lacks a track record on environmental issues. Climate change has been of huge concern to labour people since “The Inconvenient Truth” was played at our national conference in Rotorua at least 7 years ago, and was a key theme of Michael Cullen’s speech that year.
    Labour subsequently signed up to international carbon emission reduction targets and introduced the ETS. Labour also has sound policies on water, conservation (including the campaign to save the Hector’s dolphins), public transport, banning mining on high value conservation land, environmentally sustainable cities, etc, etc.
    Similarly the Greens are proving to be strong advocates for workers’ issues, working with Labour on lifting wages of low paid workers, and the loss of manufacturing jobs.
    We have a lot in common and we need to spend between now and the 2014 Election spelling out to voters where we can work together, even if we have different ideas on how to implement these policies.

    • Anne 16.1

      Excellent Cynder. Good enough to be a post.

    • George D 16.2

      There wasn’t much room for the Greens in the 1999 Government. None of the Labour MPs, and few of the Alliance ones, were keen on having the Greens around the table. They needed Green support for C&S, but knew that the Greens weren’t in a strong position to negotiate – they could hardly support another term of Shipley. The same happened in 2002.

      As a Green member, I’ve almost never had problems with the Labour members I’ve met and know, but I certainly don’t count on anything from the MPs. If the Labour MPs decide that they don’t like the Greens in 2014, things will be messy again.

  17. Addison 17

    If Labour is to form a government again it needs to do several things. Firstly accept that at present it is not a government in waiting and will not win at the next election. Secondly it needs to stick to it’s principals and not sell it’s soul to a Green/ Labour alliance for the price of it’s principals. Thirdly it needs to come up with sound policies on creating jobs, not lead by creating Government jobs but those in industry. A crusade to make jobs in our prime industries ,farming, tourism and the wine industry more well paid and worker friendly would be a good start.Lastly we need to use our ” time out” to find a quality leader who has real socialist principals and can effectively present them. It’s not about power, it’s about the workers of NZ!

    • handle 17.1

      “not sell it’s soul to a Green/ Labour alliance for the price of it’s principals”

      What principles would Labour need to sacrifice because the Greens required them to?

  18. Annette King 18

    Eddie you are wrong. Labour welcomed the Greens housing policy, I should know as I did most of the interviews! The Greens said their policy built on Labour’s, making the point a govt needs to lead the build of affordable housing to help people into. Thats what KiwiBuild does. There is no commitment from the private sector to fund first homes for NZers. Our policy and the Greens will be closely scrutinised by our opponents regarding costs and where the money is coming from.We are not afraid of that. Shearer was asked what the average cost of a house in Auckland is, he replied around $550,000 ( a fact) then said under Labour’s policy cost would be considerably less. How come that part is missed out of any commentary? I could show existing houses for $300,000 in Auckland. That’s not the issue. Existing houses don’t add to the total number of extra houses needed for people to live in, estimated as an additional 12,000 a year. Why try to create a division where there is little? There is nothing untoward in questioning how policy will work. You are too quick to put the boot in. The policy is not flawed. Perhaps you might like to wait as we work with a wide range of organisations and individuals( including NGOs) to put the implementation plan in place before the election for immediate implementation afterwards. The key components are: 100,000 affordable houses over 10 years;funding provided by Govt through housing bonds; bulk building with considerable scope to bring costs down plus use of govt land (eg Labour’s policy at Hobsonville- state houses plus affordable homes, a mixed development); focus on areas where housing affordability is growing problem (it’s not just about Auckland although its the area of biggest concern); policy to assist people with the deposit gap.

    • One Tāne Huna 18.1

      Thanks for that. You will find it easier to get your point across if you use paragraphs.

    • Good to see some direct communication with The Standard from Labour. Well Done Mrs King.

    • fatty 18.3

      Labour welcomed the Greens housing policy

      That’s good to hear, but you should have told your dear leader that.
      I remember him whistling about the cost being questionable

    • Mary 18.4

      Why not combine provision of state houses and home ownership with rent to buy provisions, including ongoing building of new homes, the whole policy ticking over on the basis of providing housing in the short term and home ownership in the medium to long term? Labour’s current policy doesn’t deal with important issues/broader aims around community participation/inclusive societies/social cohesion and so on. There are areas in New Zealand where demand for rentals are through the roof but house prices are relatively low because people can’t afford to buy. Some of those areas speculators are buying up and riding high rental demand, all on the backs of those who cannot afford to buy even with relatively low prices the consequences for this group being overcrowding, ill health etc. Labour’s current policy is mere tinkering leaving wider problems untouched. In the meantime the poorest continue to suffer the devastatingly negative effects of bad housing policy based on the false assumption that the market will deliver.

  19. Annette King 19

    Thank you for the comments and suggestions( paragraphs, used to, then told old fashioned!) Nothing wrong with questioning each others policy. Greens also raised questions about our policy. Best result is to have a policy that works and is believable by the time we become Govt.

    • CV - Real Labour 19.1

      The Greens will be a valuable foil indeed to help push through progressive policies. Always good to see you visting the Standard :)

    • Jokerman 19.2

      Indeed!

    • fatty 19.3

      Thanks for conversing on here Annette…even in the face of smartass replies like mine.

    • One Tāne Huna 19.4

      Legibility never goes out of style :)

      “…is believable by the time we become Govt.”

      It would be better if it were believable from the get-go. I’m not saying Kiwibuild isn’t, just that if you want to demonstrate competence, unbelievable “work in progress” policy announcements won’t help.

      This (your engagement with supporters) is a good way to repair the damage that today’s vote and events since conference have done, by the way. Please recommend it to your colleagues.

    • handle 19.5

      “paragraphs, used to, then told old fashioned!”

      Don’t believe everything you read on Facebook.

    • Mary 19.6

      “Nothing wrong with questioning each others policy.”

      Agreed, but first people have to know what that policy is. Many have been asking Labour what its position on social security is now for almost five years, including whether it regrets abolishing the special benefit in 2004 and introducing certain aspects of its Social Security Amendment Act 2007. To date no Labour MP has answered any of these questions. The old adage about how a government treats its poor still holds good today. Labour’s track record on welfare since 1999 and its silence on its current policy has turned a lot of people away from Labour, and quite rightly so.

  20. Annette King 20

    ‘ Believable’ was in relation to the public. Like any policy time is needed to inform, debate, amend , improve and sell. No Party should think they have a monopoly on all good ideas. There is no doubt our Housing policy ( the part that has been released so far) is welcomed. We have also done a huge amount of work on it. Remember however an Opposition has to rely on very limited resources which is why we value and appreciate input from our policy committees and the wider community.

    • handle 20.1

      Thank you for explaining that. How do you see Labour’s new ‘policy platform’ approach changing the role of caucus in developing policy?

    • Mary 20.2

      I take it you won’t be responding to my comments about Labour’s recent track record and current position on social security?

    • Jenny 20.3

      The Greens have even less resources than Labour and they have oodles of policy. Umm…. Is it possible that there might be another reason that Labour won’t tell us what their policies will be.

      Are they having trouble forming any?

      The mountain laboured and gave birth to a mouse?

  21. Annette King 21

    It’s not a matter of financial resources when it comes to developing policy in the Labour Party. There is an open, membership involved process to go through, including debate at regional and annual conferences. Human resources are our strongest asset. Policy is owned by the Party not just parliamentary spokespeople. At the 2011 Election Labour had policy in a very wide range of areas. When I read people saying Labour does not have policy they are wrong. Our 2011 Policy IS our policy until or unless its changed. We are well underway with discussion on our manifesto for 2014.

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    No matter which party you support, how does it make one tiny bit of sense that a party who in their own internal polling was only getting 42% support just days before the election can jump to 48%? Also, when...
    An average kiwi | 20-09
  • Election results, my first thoughts and so on
    So, the 2014 election results are in, with an emphatic win for National. Six years into his Prime Ministership, and having just been re-elected for a third term, John Key has achieved what very few NZ politicians have done before...
    Transport Blog | 20-09
  • Lessons to be learned
    As the gloating on the right wing and throughout the mainstream media begins, it's important that those who stand up for democracy don't lose heart.For a start, every defeat you can walk away from has at least one silver lining....
    The Jackal | 20-09
  • Three more years
    This election result is not the end of the world for me. I don’t have kids. I don’t have to worry about whether their school will be closed, or privatised, whether they have shoes to wear or a lunch to...
    Boots Theory | 20-09
  • The 2014 election result
    I have a few thoughts about the result last night. They are in no particular order so I’m just going to type them up and see how they fall. National appear to have won an outright majority despite being shown...
    My Thinks | 20-09
  • 2014 SkS Weekly News Roundup #38B
    2014 on track to be hottest year on record Arctic Sea Ice to reach sixth lowest extent on record China's dirty coal ban causes waves "If we want to prevent conflicts, we have to address climate change now" India's push...
    Skeptical Science | 20-09
  • ROUT!
    Triumphant! John Key leads National to its greatest victory since 1951, routing the forces of the Left in the process.  Progressive New Zealanders, we have some very serious thinking to do.This posting is exclusive to the Bowalley Road blogsite....
    Bowalley Road | 20-09
  • The Greens’ new caucus
    Despite goals of 15% and 20 MPs, the Greens only managed to just scrape over 10%, with their only new MP being James Shaw, with Steffan Browning missing out on getting back into Parliament. The Greens traditionally pick up an...
    Progress report | 20-09
  • Brief thoughts on National’s historic victory
    The National Party is an incredibly well resourced, well managed, professional political party and it turns out that these things counted for a lot last night. The phone was not off the hook for Labour. Twelve months ago, just after Cunliffe won...
    DimPost | 20-09
  • Labour’s new caucus
    It’s brutal. My expectations weren’t great, but this loss is much worse than I predicted. Labour’s worst defeat since 1922. Here is Labour’s new caucus… MP Seat David Cunliffe New Lynn David Parker List Grant Robertson Wellington Central Annette King...
    Progress report | 20-09
  • Five stages of left: a visual post election representation
      (Image source: distractify – Stuck Cats)...
    Politically Corrected | 20-09
  • Legal Beagle: Election 2014: The Special Votes
    We have a provisional result, and now await the official result after special votes are counted. Special votes are:those cast overseas;those cast on polling day by people voting outside their electorate;those cast by people who enrolled after the printed electoral...
    Public Address | 20-09
  • 2017
    .   . Bugger. Ok. We pick ourselves up, dust off, and  start working for a victory in 2017 (or earlier) tomorrow. . . = fs =Filed under: Various Tagged: 2017 Elections...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-09
  • 2017
    .   . Bugger. Ok. We pick ourselves up, dust off, and  start working for a victory in 2017 (or earlier) tomorrow. . . = fs =Filed under: Various Tagged: 2017 Elections...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-09
  • The Specials
    Based on the way the Special Votes fell in recent Elections, we might expect:- the Nats' Final Result to be about 0.5-0.7 points down, so perhaps around 47.5% or thereabouts- Labour to be up about 0.4 points, so around 25%-...
    Sub zero politics | 20-09
  • Legal Beagle: Election 2014: the no threshold counterfactual
    As I have done on election night of the last two elections, I present below the New Zealand House of Representatives, had the election been conducted with no threshold: National – 57 ACT – 1 United Future – 1 Conservatives – 5...
    Public Address | 20-09
  • I was wrong
    Of all the blogs I’ve written, I think the most off the mark was this one where I said I was “(tentatively) happy about Internet Mana.” Second would be this one where I underestimated how bad Dotcom’s failure at the Moment of Truth...
    Cut your hair | 20-09
  • A trifecta of electoral suck
    This week has been a trifecta of electoral suck. First, Fiji voted for dictatorship. Then Scotland voted to remain subjugated to Westminster. And finally, New Zealand voted for a third-term majority National government. The last boggles me. Not the fact...
    No Right Turn | 20-09
  • The Final Election Result Is – 48% of Kiwis Are Arrogant Idiots!
    Though there is still about 18% of the vote to come in, it looks fairly certain the proven incompetent, dishonest and corrupt National Party are going to get at least 48% of the vote. Incredibly we had actual evidence National...
    An average kiwi | 20-09
  • 50 Canadian climate researchers speak out in support of the People’s ...
    The Canadian government is hell-bent on exploiting the Alberta tar sands to the fullest extent possible, even at the expense of the global climate. Canada simply cannot meet its carbon pollution reduction pledges if it continues to expand tar sands...
    Skeptical Science | 20-09
  • Election 2014!! The live, rolling, increasingly intoxicated Post From Hell
    7pm - Drinking red (naturally) wine.  A 2011 Mt hector Pinot Noir.  Very nice it is too - likely the last nice thing I may experience for the next couple of hours.  We're doomed, I tell you, doomed!  And if we're...
    Left hand palm | 20-09
  • Speaker: A live peek at your cray
    On Saturday morning London time, a rag-tag bunch of left-wing weirdos will descend on my flat to huddle around the glow of livestreams, making panic pikelets and schadenfreude pie, and wishing it was evening here so we could justify sinking...
    Public Address | 20-09
  • Election Day Post # 10
    The last of my special election day posts, in which I honour our freedom to dare not say anything remotely political until 7pm...
    Imperator Fish | 20-09
  • Election Day Post #9
    The ninth of my special election day posts, in which I honour our freedom to dare not say anything remotely political until 7pm...
    Imperator Fish | 20-09
  • The Big Man
    So, Alex Salmond has announced he will step down as First Minister of Scotland.  This is, of course, being presented as throwing his toys and peevish behaviour following the independence referendum and the defeat of the 'Yes' campaign.Which is an...
    Left hand palm | 20-09
  • Election Day Post #8
    The eighth of my special election day posts, in which I honour our freedom to dare not say anything remotely political until 7pm...
    Imperator Fish | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-09
  • Election Day Post #7
    The seventh of my special election day posts, in which I honour our freedom to dare not say anything remotely political until 7pm...
    Imperator Fish | 20-09
  • Election Day Post #6
    The sixth of my special election day posts, in which I honour our freedom to dare not say anything remotely political until 7pm...
    Imperator Fish | 20-09
  • Another Song For Election Day (As Requested By “Kat”)
     NOT DARK YET: Bob Dylan's haunting hymn to the failing day and advancing night.   I was born here and I'll die here against my will I know it looks like I'm movin' but I'm standin' still Every nerve in my body...
    Bowalley Road | 20-09
  • Man Steals Nun’s Blue and White Livery, Says Newspaper Made Him Do It
    Tapping into the Party Line: A prominent talkback radio listener detected a subtle right-wing tone at work in The New Zealand Herald‘s advertising.    By Hemi Iti, 20 September 2014 An Auckland man was charged with theft and impersonating a...
    Snoopman News | 20-09
  • Election Day Post #5
    The fifth of my special election day posts, in which I honour our freedom to dare not say anything remotely political until 7pm...
    Imperator Fish | 20-09
  • Looking through dirty windows into an empty room
    A colleague of mine once described how he'd felt when interviewing a particularly nasty person who'd been engaged in some very unpleasant behaviour at work. He said that looking into the man's eyes was like, 'looking through dirty windows into an empty...
    Te Whare Whero | 19-09
  • Hold fast to your Mana – Harawira
    Hone Harawira today called on the voters of Tai Tokerau to hold fast to their mana, and not be dictated to by those party leaders who have ganged together to tell them how to vote. “I call on our people...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Media Advisory – Interview availability
    This is to advise all media that Hone Harawira will be available in Auckland tomorrow, Friday the 19th of September from 7am to 4pm for interviews relating to his recent press releases. If you are interested in interviewing Mr Harawira on...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Labour stands on proud record on Suffrage Day
    Women have come a long way in the 121 years since New Zealand became the first country to give them the vote on September 19 1893, but there is still more to do, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Carol Beaumont says....
    Labour | 18-09
  • Polling Booths asked to treat Maori voters with respect
    “Polling booths without Maori roll voting papers, Maori people not being offered assistance to vote, people getting sent from Whangarei to Wellsford to vote, Maori people getting turned away from voting because they didn’t have their ‘easy vote’ card, Maori...
    Mana | 17-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
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    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • A Fiji democratic mandate for the coup leader – what now for the media?
    Attorney-General Sayad-Khaiyum and Rear-Admiral (Ret) Voreqe Bainimarama’s Fiji First party is poised to lead the country in the next four years. Photo: Mads Anneberg, an AUT Pacific Media Centre student on internship in Suva with Repúblika Magazine and Pacific Scoop...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Why I voted Labour and why 2017 will be different
    As a 3nd and 5th generation Kiwi-Indian (depending on which side of the family we have to go with), my relationship with New Zealand is a special one. Like other New Zealanders who are not of the Caucasian variety, the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Humble Pie
    Oh. My. God. This was a heartbreaking nightmare. I was wrong, horribly, horribly, horribly wrong. I honestly believed that the resources, the media attention, the vile toxic politics exposed by Dirty Politics and the mass surveillance lies would have seen...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Election 2014; A Post-mortem; a Wake; and one helluva hang-over
    .   . It would be fair to say that the results for Election 2014 did not go as anticipated. The Left has had a drubbing – and some of it was of our own making. In other aspects, there...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Voting turnout affected by bad weather?
    . . NZ, Upper Hutt, 20 September –  Cold, wet weather in the Hutt Valley, north of Wellington may be impacting on voter turn-out. A head-count of people visiting the Trentham School Voting Station in Moonshine Rd, Upper Hutt, indicated...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Final total of advance voting
    And the final total for the advance voting was a staggering 717,579 advance votes against 334,558 in 2011       Tonight, I’ll be watching the TV3 election coverage because I could bare Paul Henry’s smugness one inch more than Mike Hosking’s...
    The Daily Blog | 20-09
  • Vice article on NZ election
    Here is my Vice article on the NZ election....
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
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    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls
    Roy Morgan NZ Election Update With A Look At The Polls National re-elected to third term with record high vote as Labour slumps to worst result in over 90 years...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National-led Government wins mandate for RMA reforms
    An unprecedented increase in support for the third-term National Party, the best electoral performance since 1899, has delivered a clear mandate for reform of the Resource Management Act says Federated Farmers. “Vital reforms to the RMA have...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • New Zealand says no to Culture of Death
    Right to Life is pleased that the people of New Zealand have rejected a culture of death by refusing to elect a Labour/Green government that supported the decriminalisation of abortion....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Steven Joyce
    CORIN Steven Joyce if we could start with how things are going to look now with your support partners. Can you just run us through, National can technically govern alone on what you’ve got at the moment, do you think...
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – Kelvin Davis
    SUSAN Well earlier this morning, just before we came to air in fact, Corin spoke to Kelvin Davis, one of the big winners of the night, the new MP for Te Tai Tokerau....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Q + A – David Cunliffe
    CORIN Joining me now is Labour Leader, David Cunliffe. Good morning to you Mr Cunliffe. This is a tough result for Labour, how much personal responsibility do you take for this....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Grey Power congratulates Key
    Grey Power National President Terry King congratulated John Key for his party’s “resounding win “ in yesterday’s election and hoped that the new National Government would look hard at issues affecting the ever–growing number of older New Zealanders....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • EMA congratulates PM John Key and National
    The Employers and Manufacturers Association extend hearty congratulations to the re-election of Prime Minister John Key and National....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • Helen Clark Receives Inaugural Women’s Health Rights Award
    Helen Clark was honoured as the first recipient of the Women’s Health Rights Award at the 121st Woman’s Suffrage event held in Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 21-09
  • National deal with New Zealand First unlikely
    The National party is unlikely to offer a confidence and supply agreement to New Zealand First according to Dr Ryan Malone, Director Training and Research at Civicsquare....
    Scoop politics | 20-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
    For the past four years I, like 500,000 other New Zealanders, have been illegally smoking cannabis for medicinal purposes and/or even just for the occasional laugh with friends on the weekend. We don't hurt anybody, we don't cause nuisance, we...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
    Responding to the Fairfax article that taxpayers are extending another $103 million to keep Solid Energy afloat, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
    People across New Zealand continue to express their disgust at the downgrading of Invermay, says Dunedin North MP David Clark, as the Save Invermay petition he instigated earlier this year topped the 10,000 signature mark just days before the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
    Garth McVicar stated at a public meeting last week that he would fight to retain a 24/7 Police Station in Napier and no reduction in the number of police staff for the Hawkes Bay region, some said he was simply...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
    Internet MANA urges New Zealanders to use their party vote to confront corruption in any new government....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Election day is tomorrow – make sure you’re a part of it!
    Tomorrow, Saturday 20 September, is election day, and New Zealanders’ last chance to have a say on who leads the country for the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Is the Shape of our Government out of the hands of Voters?
    In the last stuff.co.nz / Ipsos Political Poll before Saturdays election, National is down 5.1% to 47.7% and Labour up 3.7% to 26.15%. These results are remarkably similar to the 2011 election where National received 47.3% of the vote and...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
    Internet MANA is drawing on the courage and integrity of New Zealand women on Suffrage Day – Friday, September, 19 – to encourage them to pay tribute to the spirit of their foremothers who gained women the vote....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
    Māori Television’s KOWHIRI 2014 – ELECTION SPECIAL kicks off at 7.00pm this Saturday with a five-hour broadcast focusing on the Māori electorates....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Judge’s Decision Disappoints Fish & Game
    Today’s decision to give a Temuka man 100 hours of community service for selling sports fish to the public has disappointed Fish & Game, which believes the sentence handed down was “too lenient and will not go far enough to...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Cutting-Edge Graphics Fire up TV3’s Election Night Coverage
    TV3’s Election Night coverage, hosted by John Campbell, will be enhanced by cutting-edge graphics that will showcase the night’s results....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt rushes to open charter schools in New Year
    The government’s decision to approve four new charter schools last week to open in January next year goes against the Minister of Education’s own advice that the schools ought to have at least a year’s preparation time....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • 7 Days And Jono And Ben at Ten Hijack Election Weekend
    The 7 Days and Jono and Ben at Ten (JABAT) comedians are running their own version of election coverage, with a schedule of entertainment and comedy across TV3, Kiwi FM, the web and social media this Friday and Saturday under...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Fewer Prisoners Equals Less Crime
    In its latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and other Crazy Stuff’,’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html , Rethinking Crime and Punishment urges government to rethink its approach to releasing prisoners. “The public expectation is that the excellent reductions in the crime...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar slams his political opponents
    I want a safe and prosperous society and that can only be achieved if we have strong and vi-brant families – McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Falling economic growth – wage rises overdue
    “The lower GDP growth in the three months to June is further evidence that growth has peaked. New Zealand’s economy is on the way down to mediocre growth rates,” says CTU economist Bill Rosenberg. “Yet wage rises are still weak...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Get Out and Vote campaign a success
    Tens of thousands of workers from all around New Zealand have embraced the Get Out and Vote campaign and have created their own personalised voting plan, the CTU said today. “With three days of voting left in the 2014 General...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Animal Research Failing – So Do More Animal Research?
    Victoria University of Wellington is about to host a lecture on why the success rates of pharmaceutical development is so low and what can be done about it. The New Zealand Anti-Vivisection Society (NZAVS) welcomes discussion on this important...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
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