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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-2/#comment-102573</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeannie: &quot;The following is a list of O&#039;Reilly owned news media in NZ from Wikipedia.&quot;


This election no matter which way it goes is a victory for Tony O&#039;Reilly undemocratically influencing our elections via the mainstream media. 

I looked INM ( Independent News Media ) up on Wikipedia. which says&quot; 

Concern has also been expressed about INM&#039;s dominant role in the Irish press sector, its overall media power, its influence on politics, and the quality of its journalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_News_&amp;_Media 

We can safely say, O&#039;reilly has also  been dominant in the NZ press sector, we are concerned about his overall media power in NZ, his undemocratic influence on politics in NZ and the poor quality of his journalism. 

Yelllowpack is how his journalism  is referred to in this article. Yellowpack refers, according  to a type of cheap budget packaging in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeannie: &#8220;The following is a list of O&#8217;Reilly owned news media in NZ from Wikipedia.&#8221;</p>
<p>This election no matter which way it goes is a victory for Tony O&#8217;Reilly undemocratically influencing our elections via the mainstream media. </p>
<p>I looked INM ( Independent News Media ) up on Wikipedia. which says&#8221; </p>
<p>Concern has also been expressed about INM&#8217;s dominant role in the Irish press sector, its overall media power, its influence on politics, and the quality of its journalism.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_News_&#038;_Media" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_News_&#038;_Media</a> </p>
<p>We can safely say, O&#8217;reilly has also  been dominant in the NZ press sector, we are concerned about his overall media power in NZ, his undemocratic influence on politics in NZ and the poor quality of his journalism. </p>
<p>Yelllowpack is how his journalism  is referred to in this article. Yellowpack refers, according  to a type of cheap budget packaging in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: jo zinny</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-2/#comment-101438</link>
		<dc:creator>jo zinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops! sorry about the double-up above..

the first one disappeared when I went through capcha, all I got was a copy of the encryption code, but no comment to look at. Figuring it had ethered I tried a repeat.. AND GOT ONE..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops! sorry about the double-up above..</p>
<p>the first one disappeared when I went through capcha, all I got was a copy of the encryption code, but no comment to look at. Figuring it had ethered I tried a repeat.. AND GOT ONE..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-2/#comment-101365</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don: You are right. The following is a list of O&#039;Reilly owned news media in NZ from Wikipedia.

The New Zealand Herald
Herald on Sunday
New Zealand Listener
Whangarei Northern Advocate
Rotorua Daily Post
Wairarapa Times-Age
Wanganui Chronicle
Oamaru Mail
Bay of Plenty area

Bay of Plenty Times
Bay News
Katikati Advertiser
Coastal News
Waihi Leader
Te Puke Times
TV Times
Country News

Christchurch area
The Star Canterbury
The Star Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western Community
North Canterbury News
Canterbury Times


APN Business Information Group
APN Education New Zealand
APN Digital Media
Australian Classifieds
Campus Review
Nursing Review
UBD
finda
Wises Maps
Sella
APN Data Online


Radio Network News (New Zealand)
Newstalk ZB
Classic Hits
Radio Sport
Hauraki
ZM
Viva
Coast
Flava

Radio Network News also has newswires to TVNZ and Yahoo Xtra.

Thanks Don! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don: You are right. The following is a list of O&#8217;Reilly owned news media in NZ from Wikipedia.</p>
<p>The New Zealand Herald<br />
Herald on Sunday<br />
New Zealand Listener<br />
Whangarei Northern Advocate<br />
Rotorua Daily Post<br />
Wairarapa Times-Age<br />
Wanganui Chronicle<br />
Oamaru Mail<br />
Bay of Plenty area</p>
<p>Bay of Plenty Times<br />
Bay News<br />
Katikati Advertiser<br />
Coastal News<br />
Waihi Leader<br />
Te Puke Times<br />
TV Times<br />
Country News</p>
<p>Christchurch area<br />
The Star Canterbury<br />
The Star Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western Community<br />
North Canterbury News<br />
Canterbury Times</p>
<p>APN Business Information Group<br />
APN Education New Zealand<br />
APN Digital Media<br />
Australian Classifieds<br />
Campus Review<br />
Nursing Review<br />
UBD<br />
finda<br />
Wises Maps<br />
Sella<br />
APN Data Online</p>
<p>Radio Network News (New Zealand)<br />
Newstalk ZB<br />
Classic Hits<br />
Radio Sport<br />
Hauraki<br />
ZM<br />
Viva<br />
Coast<br />
Flava</p>
<p>Radio Network News also has newswires to TVNZ and Yahoo Xtra.</p>
<p>Thanks Don! <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jo zinny</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-2/#comment-101357</link>
		<dc:creator>jo zinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dylan,

John likes BO: Bill doesn&#039;t. Simple. See!

Danny, lovely word &quot;weird&quot;. Explained yet again I think at the national&#039;s conf this year when aussie dwellers crossed the ditch to tellem and spellem Reagan rubes. That&#039;s Ronald Reagan, President, B-movie star way back and even before kiwi muldoon. Reaganâ€”fo&#039; reaganomics. Oh no, they canna have rogernomics the labour surrogateâ€”it&#039;s gottabe reaganomics. See. :-)

&lt;strong&gt;bottom line: john is a sort of national front for neo-reaganomics&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dylan,</p>
<p>John likes BO: Bill doesn&#8217;t. Simple. See!</p>
<p>Danny, lovely word &#8220;weird&#8221;. Explained yet again I think at the national&#8217;s conf this year when aussie dwellers crossed the ditch to tellem and spellem Reagan rubes. That&#8217;s Ronald Reagan, President, B-movie star way back and even before kiwi muldoon. Reaganâ€”fo&#8217; reaganomics. Oh no, they canna have rogernomics the labour surrogateâ€”it&#8217;s gottabe reaganomics. See. <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>bottom line: john is a sort of national front for neo-reaganomics</strong></p>
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		<title>By: jo zinny</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-2/#comment-101354</link>
		<dc:creator>jo zinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dylan,

John likes BO; Bill doesn&#039;t. Simple, see!

Danny,

to explain how right your were with the &quot;weird&quot; word, let it be known how national&#039;s conference this year had aussie dwellers cross the ditch to spell out the wonders of Reagan. That&#039;s Ronald - the Wall - Reagan. President. B-movie star back before even kiwi Muldoon.. So.. yes, no longer bill and the nats, but reaganites, all.

&lt;strong&gt;bottom line: BO-philic John is a sort of national front for the neo-reaganites&lt;/strong&gt; :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dylan,</p>
<p>John likes BO; Bill doesn&#8217;t. Simple, see!</p>
<p>Danny,</p>
<p>to explain how right your were with the &#8220;weird&#8221; word, let it be known how national&#8217;s conference this year had aussie dwellers cross the ditch to spell out the wonders of Reagan. That&#8217;s Ronald &#8211; the Wall &#8211; Reagan. President. B-movie star back before even kiwi Muldoon.. So.. yes, no longer bill and the nats, but reaganites, all.</p>
<p><strong>bottom line: BO-philic John is a sort of national front for the neo-reaganites</strong> <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-1/#comment-101274</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeannie, O&#039;Reilly doesn&#039;t even own the Christchurch Press, so I&#039;d be very surprised if he was selling it. Do try to get your facts right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeannie, O&#8217;Reilly doesn&#8217;t even own the Christchurch Press, so I&#8217;d be very surprised if he was selling it. Do try to get your facts right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-1/#comment-101225</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.....I swear Bill English is secretly working for a Labour victory. 

The best news of the day? O&#039;Reilly is selling the NZ Herald, Radio Network News, !ZB and half a dozen other radio stations,  The Christchurch Press and all those little blue ribbon rags up and down the country. They have  gone broke and belly up apparently to the tune of a billion or more  in debts. 

 Whooo hoooo. Typical of  National party supporters- wallowing  in  all the benefits but too stingy to put their hands in their pockets to  support their own  propaganda rags. 

This should  wipe the   smirks  from  the pro-National lobby who hang about in  here. 

Got a  slogan for this one boys?  Envy? Tall poppy syndrome?  Smear campaign?  Dirty tricks? Nope none of these fit.   How about,  Herald Bankrupted by Labour victory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;..I swear Bill English is secretly working for a Labour victory. </p>
<p>The best news of the day? O&#8217;Reilly is selling the NZ Herald, Radio Network News, !ZB and half a dozen other radio stations,  The Christchurch Press and all those little blue ribbon rags up and down the country. They have  gone broke and belly up apparently to the tune of a billion or more  in debts. </p>
<p> Whooo hoooo. Typical of  National party supporters- wallowing  in  all the benefits but too stingy to put their hands in their pockets to  support their own  propaganda rags. </p>
<p>This should  wipe the   smirks  from  the pro-National lobby who hang about in  here. </p>
<p>Got a  slogan for this one boys?  Envy? Tall poppy syndrome?  Smear campaign?  Dirty tricks? Nope none of these fit.   How about,  Herald Bankrupted by Labour victory?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-1/#comment-101223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.....I swear Bill English is secretly working for a Labour victory. 

The best news of the day? O&#039;Reilly is selling the NZ Herald, Radio Network News, !ZB and half a dozen other radio stations,  The Christchurch Press and all those little blue ribbon rags up and down the country. They have  gone broke and belly up apparently to the tune of a billion or more  in debts. 

 Whooo hoooo. Typical of  National party supporters- wallowing  in  all the benefits but too stingy to put their hands in their pockets to  support their own  propaganda rags. 

This should  wipe the   smirks  from  the pro-National lobby who hang about in  here. 

Got a  slogan for this one boys?  Envy? Tall poppy syndrome?  Smear campaign?  Dirty tricks? Nope none of these fit.   How about,  Herald bankrupted by Labour victory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;..I swear Bill English is secretly working for a Labour victory. </p>
<p>The best news of the day? O&#8217;Reilly is selling the NZ Herald, Radio Network News, !ZB and half a dozen other radio stations,  The Christchurch Press and all those little blue ribbon rags up and down the country. They have  gone broke and belly up apparently to the tune of a billion or more  in debts. </p>
<p> Whooo hoooo. Typical of  National party supporters- wallowing  in  all the benefits but too stingy to put their hands in their pockets to  support their own  propaganda rags. </p>
<p>This should  wipe the   smirks  from  the pro-National lobby who hang about in  here. </p>
<p>Got a  slogan for this one boys?  Envy? Tall poppy syndrome?  Smear campaign?  Dirty tricks? Nope none of these fit.   How about,  Herald bankrupted by Labour victory?</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-1/#comment-101215</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Irishbill, (and other standardistas) you missed a word in the opening line of the fourth paragraph I think.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Although Garner saw right it&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I  think you&#039;d probably want this to be: &quot;Although Garner saw right &lt;em&gt;through it,&lt;/em&gt;&quot;
&lt;strong&gt;
IrishBill: thanks Ari, I&#039;ve fixed that now.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Irishbill, (and other standardistas) you missed a word in the opening line of the fourth paragraph I think.</p>
<blockquote><p>Although Garner saw right it</p></blockquote>
<p>I  think you&#8217;d probably want this to be: &#8220;Although Garner saw right <em>through it,</em>&#8221;<br />
<strong><br />
IrishBill: thanks Ari, I&#8217;ve fixed that now.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Withers</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-1/#comment-101211</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the reports I saw or heard mentioned National believed Labour was behind it and most quoted John Key and the dirty tricks comment. No evidence whatever was produced to support the contention with respect to Labour. 

I doubt Labour had anything to do with it. It feels to me like someone had the bright idea to see what would happen if they went trolling at the National Party conference........and - my goodness- look what they found: Shifty Nats saying one thing privately and another publicly  

Like looking for bees in a bee hive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the reports I saw or heard mentioned National believed Labour was behind it and most quoted John Key and the dirty tricks comment. No evidence whatever was produced to support the contention with respect to Labour. </p>
<p>I doubt Labour had anything to do with it. It feels to me like someone had the bright idea to see what would happen if they went trolling at the National Party conference&#8230;&#8230;..and &#8211; my goodness- look what they found: Shifty Nats saying one thing privately and another publicly  </p>
<p>Like looking for bees in a bee hive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, didn&#039;t John Key recently compare himself to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=143725&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, didn&#8217;t John Key recently compare himself to <a href="http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=143725" rel="nofollow">Obama?</a><a></a></p>
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		<title>By: What!!</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-1/#comment-101172</link>
		<dc:creator>What!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;[lprent: Link-whoring from the puerile technical incompetent (people here will know of whom I speak) is something that I seldom allow. 

In this case the pathetic little bugger is drawing inferences from what looks like self-referenced rumour, a photo, and a comment from 2003.  Now that is really getting to be quite pathetic. 

By that basis you could say that anyone is guilty by association. For instance having DPF in a bus with the puerile creep could lead to the inference that he also lies continuously (which I don&#039;t believe) . If he had a photo, well a photo of Whale with anyone probably indicates that they are also a sleazeball.

For instance in the post that you referred to, Whale is outright lying about the funding for this site - I pay for it, organise it, and have always done so. In my informed opinion he has made up or inflated every story about this site and the people associated with it since it started.As far as I&#039;m concerned, if Whale says something, then you have to start looking for the lie in what he says. The guy is the grossest smear artist on the blogs.

But I have no doubt that in his mind, everything he says is the truth... Ummm there is a word for that.

BTW: There was no need to shift identities. I ban people regardless of what their handle at the time]&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>[lprent: Link-whoring from the puerile technical incompetent (people here will know of whom I speak) is something that I seldom allow. </p>
<p>In this case the pathetic little bugger is drawing inferences from what looks like self-referenced rumour, a photo, and a comment from 2003.  Now that is really getting to be quite pathetic. </p>
<p>By that basis you could say that anyone is guilty by association. For instance having DPF in a bus with the puerile creep could lead to the inference that he also lies continuously (which I don't believe) . If he had a photo, well a photo of Whale with anyone probably indicates that they are also a sleazeball.</p>
<p>For instance in the post that you referred to, Whale is outright lying about the funding for this site - I pay for it, organise it, and have always done so. In my informed opinion he has made up or inflated every story about this site and the people associated with it since it started.As far as I'm concerned, if Whale says something, then you have to start looking for the lie in what he says. The guy is the grossest smear artist on the blogs.</p>
<p>But I have no doubt that in his mind, everything he says is the truth... Ummm there is a word for that.</p>
<p>BTW: There was no need to shift identities. I ban people regardless of what their handle at the time]</b></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Robeson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-1/#comment-101166</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Robeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>randy- sorry a joke as I used the method myself c.9:06pm and then noticed you had used a similar technique in slicing the fish of the day.

got a cold and can&#039;t drink coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>randy- sorry a joke as I used the method myself c.9:06pm and then noticed you had used a similar technique in slicing the fish of the day.</p>
<p>got a cold and can&#8217;t drink coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: English: &#8220;&#8230;there still needs to be someone willing to pull the trigger.&#8221; &#171; g.blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>English: &#8220;&#8230;there still needs to be someone willing to pull the trigger.&#8221; &#171; g.blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as Irish Bill has just said over at The Standard, &#8220;It was also interesting to see that Bill English refused an interview to explain [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as Irish Bill has just said over at The Standard, &#8220;It was also interesting to see that Bill English refused an interview to explain [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bobo</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/look-over-there-2/comment-page-1/#comment-101158</link>
		<dc:creator>bobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough I have noticed in the last few days more trolls commenting on here just trying to get a reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough I have noticed in the last few days more trolls commenting on here just trying to get a reaction.</p>
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