No Medal of Honour for Wayne Mapp

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1. Descendant Of Smith 1

   27 August 2010 at 11:27 pm

   It’s a bit alarming when a defense minister can’t tell the difference between a game and real life.

   What’s the alternative in a team based two sided game – Americans shooting Americans, Australians shooting Americans – apparently Nazis shooting Americans is OK, or Vietnamese, or who ever the Americans fought.

   Is it more sensible to have Taliban looking people from a made up Arab sounding country?

   And keep in mind as well no-one is being killed they graphics on a computer/ TV screen for goodness sake. No-one dies. No-one gets injured.

   Would a game where American troops take out civilians called Collateral Damage make Mr Mapp feel better. In fact in most of these games you are penalized for shooting civilians – more so than in real life.

   Come to think of it as well it’s not unusual for Americans to shoot Americans in war – hmm I have an idea for a new game.

   Spose we have to stick with aliens – at least until one lands on earth then what do we do?

   I wonder if Mr Mapp could provide us with a list of officially sanctioned enemy combatants that once you move into multiplayer mode are acceptable as the opposing force.

   Anyway what does he think is going to happen I’ve fought as a few hundred different on and off planet races, religions, criminals, etc over the last twenty five years. I haven’t robbed a bank, shot anyone, raped anyone, stolen any cars, smashed anyone in the pub, broken into any homes, turned into an English cricket player and so on.

   Does the Taliban have some secret magic power that will suddenly influence my mind to go seek soldiers and kill them – is there some secret religious power that I am not aware of? please enlighten me.

   As one of my gaming mates said ” It’s more sacrilegious that you can play as an English / South African / Australian rugby player in Jonah Lomu Rugby”. I mean how dare you not play as the All Black team. Dirty swine.”

   And isn’t one of our values Freedom Of speech and isn’t one of National’s let the market decide. Both would suggest keep your nose out of it.
   • Strelnikov 1.1

     27 August 2010 at 11:34 pm

     Yeah, it’s odd how Wayne Mapp has no problems with other first person shooter games, e.g., ones set in WW2, where you can play as Germans shooting Americans.

     I say that if this game makes a few people think more about Afghanistan, and think about perspectives other than that of Americans, so much the better.
     • QoT 1.1.1

       28 August 2010 at 12:14 am

       It’s probably because he hasn’t found any with levels set in Crete …
     • Vicky32 1.1.2

       28 August 2010 at 12:56 am

       Oh, those games where the Americans won World War 2 single-handed? 😀 (My father who fought all through’t the war” used to say the Yanks had never seen a shot fired in anger.
       Deb
       • Strelnikov 1.1.2.1

         28 August 2010 at 7:51 am

         You might want to read about, for instance, Midway, Coral Sea, Guadalcanal, Peleliu, Iwo Jima, Omaha Beach, Bastongne, before claiming that the Americans never fired a shot in anger.
         • Vicky32 1.1.2.1.1

           5 September 2010 at 7:18 pm

           Why would I want to do that? I grew up with people who lived through it, and if I want to see the Yanks winning World War 2 (which was all about saving the Jews, of course) I can watch TV any given night, or go to the films…
           Deb
2. Draco T Bastard 2

   27 August 2010 at 11:30 pm

   The heights of popularity and patriotism are still the beaten road to power and tyranny…

   David Hume

   The dangerous patriot…is a defender of militarism and its ideals of war and glory.

   Colonel James A. Donovan, Marine Corps

   That seems to describe our Wayne Mapp.
   • Strelnikov 2.1

     27 August 2010 at 11:35 pm

     Nice quotes!
3. QoT 3

   28 August 2010 at 12:10 am

   Oh my Gods I am crying with laughter. Anyone else get the idea from the article that Mapp just saw the Brits slagging it off and thought “Oh crap, better jump on that bandwagon!”?

   But seriously. Lieutenant Tim O’Donnell fucking died. For real, Wayne. How about as Defence Minister you don’t play a national tragedy for fucking points in talkback-land?
   • lprent 3.1

     28 August 2010 at 12:33 am

     Yeah that was my reaction as well.

     I also made an appropriate image for the thumbnail and set a more concise explicit excerpt and dropped it up on top.
     • Strelnikov 3.1.1

       28 August 2010 at 7:52 am

       You’re a wizard, Lynn.
       • lprent 3.1.1.1

         28 August 2010 at 12:35 pm

         Good post – just lacked the graphics and the excerpt.

         A few minutes work on google images and using gimp took care of the graphic. If you look in the edit post page, on the right, you’ll see “Set featured image”. That will accept any image and chop some square features out. We tend to do a search on google images and save locally. You can either upload or select from our extensive gallery of previously uploaded images. Those images will show on the front page and in the smartphone listings.

         At the bottom of the edit page, there is a small section called “excerpt” which will set custom test for the front page. If it isn’t set, then it will take about 100 odd characters of text from the start of the post. We usually set our own teaser.

         That Exile post by war nerd on von Rippen caused some comment with the engineers that I work with. They’d never thought about it before.
         • Strelnikov 3.1.1.1.1

           28 August 2010 at 12:59 pm

           The lesson from MC02 is less about using “old” technology, more about thinking laterally, using surprise and stealth, doing the unexpected, and catching the enemy off-balance. It’s thinking that wins wars, not technology, which is merely a tool.

           If the Blue force had been thinking in those terms, rather than being focused on trying out new tech and doctrine, it probably would’ve destroyed Red force.
           • RascallyRabbit 3.1.1.1.1.1

             28 August 2010 at 1:30 pm

             Isn’t there some kind of made up nation that is used as the opposing force in all NATO exercises and the NZ military also? (Not simply Red Team – but something with more detail?) I can’t recall the name but I can remember hearing about it anyone know anything about that?
             • Strelnikov …

               28 August 2010 at 4:17 pm

               Mussoria.
               • Disengaged …

                 28 August 2010 at 5:17 pm

                 Do they all look like Temuera Morrison and run around ordering people to cook them eggs?
   • bobo 3.2

     28 August 2010 at 2:25 am

     Civilians playing wargame fps arent the sick ones, its soldiers playing them in real time, just look at that wikileaks gunship footage showing how detached and gamelike real killing can be… how sick is it controlling an unmaned drone from the relative comfort of the US while bombing any dodgy looking afghan thousands of miles away…

     “hey guys theres an afghan kill screen in the tent if anyone wants to see!”

     Look at how our own army used tomb raider style game adverts to recruit a few years ago.
     • Vicky32 3.2.1

       5 September 2010 at 7:22 pm

       Yes Bobo, you’re exactly right, it’s sad and angry-making!
       Deb
4. joe90 4

   28 August 2010 at 7:25 am

   In 1935 Medal of Honor recipient Major General Smedley Butler aka”The Fighting Quaker” or “Old Gimlet Eye” wrote War Is A Racket.
   Nuff said..
   • comedy 4.1

     28 August 2010 at 8:20 am

     In 2010 comedy wrote ….. Wayne Mapp is a retard……. now that’s nuff said.
5. nzfp 5

   28 August 2010 at 9:51 am

   Rodgers And Hammerstein
   You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught
   South Pacific

   Cable:
   You’ve got to be taught
   To hate and fear,
   You’ve got to be taught
   From year to year,
   It’s got to be drummed
   In your dear little ear
   You’ve got to be carefully taught.

   You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
   Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
   And people whose skin is a diff’rent shade,
   You’ve got to be carefully taught.

   You’ve got to be taught before it’s too late,
   Before you are six or seven or eight,
   To hate all the people your relatives hate,
   You’ve got to be carefully taught
6. Mac1 6

   28 August 2010 at 1:36 pm

   What The Fighting Quaker wrote about his time in the army, from a 1935 issue of the socialist magazine Common Sense:

   “I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 19021912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

   Anybody spot some modern parallels?

   Anti-spam: “pens.” Mightier than the sword?

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