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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-2/#comment-65685</link>
		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, it&#039;s been pointed out on my blog that the figures include inflation already - so we are left with Labour having the same growth since 92 as National.

My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, it&#8217;s been pointed out on my blog that the figures include inflation already &#8211; so we are left with Labour having the same growth since 92 as National.</p>
<p>My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Economic Growth &#171; Something should go here, maybe later.</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-2/#comment-65131</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Economic Growth &#171; Something should go here, maybe later.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other day, The Standard posted this chart, it&#8217;s one they&#8217;ve used [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Karl Rohde</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64753</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Rohde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GDP data being shown is pretty irrelevant in isolation.

The real data that we should be looking at is GDP per hour.  A country could have a good face value GDP trend; but until you break it down to actual productivity ratios it has no real meaning as a long term trend.

If for instance it was showing that along with overall GDP shrinking, the GDP per hour was dropping, we should have some serious concerns. That would indicate that the effort required for producing the GDP was becoming less efficient. That is a bad trend.

If however it was a slight shrinkage; but GDP per hour was improving, then we could consider that to be a correction due to outside influences, but overall we were becoming more productive as a nation. That is a good trend.

Our focus should be on productivity per hour.  That requires streamlining and up-skilling the workforce.  Nothing else is really going to make a difference. No government in recent times has any real policy around this, and they should have.

Reliance on a single industry to boost GDP has been done before and nearly bankrupted the country. Amusing that it is pretty much the same industry bolstering NZ&#039;s GDP again.

Regardless of which government takes us through the next 3-9 years, New Zealand needs to bring itself from the bottom 1/3 GDP per hour into the top 1/3 GDP per hour.

The only way we can do that is through innovation and R &amp; D.  We can&#039;t compete with the likes of China and Mexico from the perspective of relatively low skilled labour.  

But by focusing on innovation and education, New Zealand can generate patentable initiatives that will see this country become wealthy again.

Until then we will always be struggling to ride out global economic trends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GDP data being shown is pretty irrelevant in isolation.</p>
<p>The real data that we should be looking at is GDP per hour.  A country could have a good face value GDP trend; but until you break it down to actual productivity ratios it has no real meaning as a long term trend.</p>
<p>If for instance it was showing that along with overall GDP shrinking, the GDP per hour was dropping, we should have some serious concerns. That would indicate that the effort required for producing the GDP was becoming less efficient. That is a bad trend.</p>
<p>If however it was a slight shrinkage; but GDP per hour was improving, then we could consider that to be a correction due to outside influences, but overall we were becoming more productive as a nation. That is a good trend.</p>
<p>Our focus should be on productivity per hour.  That requires streamlining and up-skilling the workforce.  Nothing else is really going to make a difference. No government in recent times has any real policy around this, and they should have.</p>
<p>Reliance on a single industry to boost GDP has been done before and nearly bankrupted the country. Amusing that it is pretty much the same industry bolstering NZ&#8217;s GDP again.</p>
<p>Regardless of which government takes us through the next 3-9 years, New Zealand needs to bring itself from the bottom 1/3 GDP per hour into the top 1/3 GDP per hour.</p>
<p>The only way we can do that is through innovation and R &amp; D.  We can&#8217;t compete with the likes of China and Mexico from the perspective of relatively low skilled labour.  </p>
<p>But by focusing on innovation and education, New Zealand can generate patentable initiatives that will see this country become wealthy again.</p>
<p>Until then we will always be struggling to ride out global economic trends.</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64634</link>
		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, here&#039;s my rationale. I&#039;ve pulled down the figures you used here, plus the inflation data from the reserve bank.

From Q2&#039;92 till Labour took over I make inflation at 1.85%, Labour&#039;s average is 2.63%.

National grew the economy 32%, Labour 28% over that time - so about the same. That&#039;s my point: Labour&#039;s growth is the same, so that&#039;s nothing to boast over

But when I take off inflation each quarter and accumulate that I get 23% real growth for National and 5% for Labour.

Is that the facts you wanted?

Like I said, Labour went up the same hill, but used a heck of a lot more gas to get there.

I might explain this in a bit more detail over at halfdone.

(Just realised: National got that growth in shorter time, so Labour&#039;s 5% is actually much worse) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, here&#8217;s my rationale. I&#8217;ve pulled down the figures you used here, plus the inflation data from the reserve bank.</p>
<p>From Q2&#8217;92 till Labour took over I make inflation at 1.85%, Labour&#8217;s average is 2.63%.</p>
<p>National grew the economy 32%, Labour 28% over that time &#8211; so about the same. That&#8217;s my point: Labour&#8217;s growth is the same, so that&#8217;s nothing to boast over</p>
<p>But when I take off inflation each quarter and accumulate that I get 23% real growth for National and 5% for Labour.</p>
<p>Is that the facts you wanted?</p>
<p>Like I said, Labour went up the same hill, but used a heck of a lot more gas to get there.</p>
<p>I might explain this in a bit more detail over at halfdone.</p>
<p>(Just realised: National got that growth in shorter time, so Labour&#8217;s 5% is actually much worse)</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64515</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scubone:

You need to back up your ranting with &quot;facts&quot; and/or &quot;rationale&quot; if you want to convince anyone here. It isn&#039;t kiwiblog you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scubone:</p>
<p>You need to back up your ranting with &#8220;facts&#8221; and/or &#8220;rationale&#8221; if you want to convince anyone here. It isn&#8217;t kiwiblog you know.</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64511</link>
		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You fellows are a bizarre lot.

That graph is absolutely nothing to boast over - it shows Labour not screwing up at best.

At worst, add the inflation to it and you find (to use a car analogy) that Labour&#039;s used far more gas to get up the same hill.

You guys are loosing the public - keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You fellows are a bizarre lot.</p>
<p>That graph is absolutely nothing to boast over &#8211; it shows Labour not screwing up at best.</p>
<p>At worst, add the inflation to it and you find (to use a car analogy) that Labour&#8217;s used far more gas to get up the same hill.</p>
<p>You guys are loosing the public &#8211; keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64497</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s great news, lads. You&#039;re no longer at risk of losing any more demographics. They&#039;ve all gone. More Maori vote National, more poor people vote National. More rich pricks vote National. More cockies vote National. More Aucklanders (twice as many) vote National.  A few Clergy may stil vote Labour - but even my parish preist (a socialist if ever there was one) has given up on Labour

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10518834

There&#039;s nobody left except devotees of the union movement.

That&#039;s the price of Cullen&#039;s recession we didn&#039;t have to have. If he had released tax cuts six years ago, restrained growth of gummint bureaucracy, resisted the temptation to spend billions on bribes, we would have been a prosperous nation where people could afford to pay high prices for food and petrol. 

Why, you blokes might even have had a show of winning this election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s great news, lads. You&#8217;re no longer at risk of losing any more demographics. They&#8217;ve all gone. More Maori vote National, more poor people vote National. More rich pricks vote National. More cockies vote National. More Aucklanders (twice as many) vote National.  A few Clergy may stil vote Labour &#8211; but even my parish preist (a socialist if ever there was one) has given up on Labour</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&#038;objectid=10518834" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&#038;objectid=10518834</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s nobody left except devotees of the union movement.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the price of Cullen&#8217;s recession we didn&#8217;t have to have. If he had released tax cuts six years ago, restrained growth of gummint bureaucracy, resisted the temptation to spend billions on bribes, we would have been a prosperous nation where people could afford to pay high prices for food and petrol. </p>
<p>Why, you blokes might even have had a show of winning this election.</p>
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		<title>By: Adolf Fiinkensein</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64479</link>
		<dc:creator>Adolf Fiinkensein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;[lprent: Adolf - remember you&#039;re banned here.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>[lprent: Adolf - remember you're banned here.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64388</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How low can you go roger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How low can you go roger?</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64385</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take that as a yes then Peter. tut tut .... So how&#039;s your biker gang posse going? You out on the booze tonight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take that as a yes then Peter. tut tut &#8230;. So how&#8217;s your biker gang posse going? You out on the booze tonight?</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64381</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roger do get a life matey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roger do get a life matey.</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64377</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dad:

I thought you were banned from posting here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dad:</p>
<p>I thought you were banned from posting here?</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64375</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Turkey get it right Steve.Sorry just couldn&#039;t help myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Turkey get it right Steve.Sorry just couldn&#8217;t help myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64333</link>
		<dc:creator>Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your statistical analysis would have more credibility, Steve, if you could prove that you could at least read a calendar.  November 8 is a Saturday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your statistical analysis would have more credibility, Steve, if you could prove that you could at least read a calendar.  November 8 is a Saturday.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Spondre</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/march-gdp-figures/comment-page-1/#comment-64323</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Spondre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;New Zealand First Leader Winston Peters has accused the media of being complicit in a conspiracy between Labour and National to cover up the damage the Reserve Bank does to the economy.&quot;

Surely relaxing control on inflation would hurt most the elderly constituents Winston relies on for support ? Their retirement savings would be eaten away if the RBNZ gets any looser with inflation control. Some would agure the RBNZ is already &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2008/06/06/opinion-rbnzs-bollard-is-soft-on-inflation/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;too relaxed&lt;/a&gt; regarding inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;New Zealand First Leader Winston Peters has accused the media of being complicit in a conspiracy between Labour and National to cover up the damage the Reserve Bank does to the economy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely relaxing control on inflation would hurt most the elderly constituents Winston relies on for support ? Their retirement savings would be eaten away if the RBNZ gets any looser with inflation control. Some would agure the RBNZ is already <a href='http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2008/06/06/opinion-rbnzs-bollard-is-soft-on-inflation/' rel="nofollow">too relaxed</a> regarding inflation.</p>
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