Comments on: McCarten on capitalism

By: jen

jen — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:48:17 +0000

Re employee’s owning shares in the company they work for I am thinking of Enron and the disaster that shareholding was for its employees. Its really only a good idea if the shareholding provides some actual control of the company.

By: Bill

Bill — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:56:37 +0000

Wonder how permanent the Incas thought their shit was, or the Aztecs… the Egyptians… the Celts…. Romans…Abyssinians….Mongols….or….what was the name of all those completely forgotten empires with their completely vanished languages and vanished economic systems?

By: Bill

Bill — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:51:28 +0000

its only a coop in name though marty. the vertical division of labour and decision making is well and truly maintained.

By: Bill

Bill — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:46:19 +0000

Overwhelming propaganda slamming a ‘this is not possible’ message down everyone’s throat = diminished and diminishing probability of finding like minded people.

By: Bill

Bill — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:43:43 +0000

F.U.C.K. worker representation. It’s just another form of capture/dependency. Worker control on the other hand….

By: Brett Dale

Brett Dale — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:04:56 +0000

redlogic:

I love the movies of Michael Moore, I own all his doco’s on DVD,a nd will be going to this one also.

Im a fan of is.

By: Armchair Critic

Armchair Critic — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:54:19 +0000

Don’t tell graham

By: Gerald

Gerald — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:35:06 +0000

I’d treat anything produced by Michael Moore with a grain of salt. The man is a genius at manipulating his audience so they receive whatever message the man wants. Sadly in doing so I believe truth and fact often are sacrificed for his message and also for entertainment.

But give credit where credits due – his films are always damn good entertainment.

By: RedLogix

RedLogix — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:59:47 +0000

Yah… those filthy commie cow cockies will be the ruin of us all.

By: TightyRighty

TightyRighty — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:32:17 +0000

right, so assuming perfect operating conditions, if you don’t like your boss or how undemocratic your workplace is, get mobile.

By: Marty G

Marty G — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:27:25 +0000

few people seem to realise the largest company in new zealand is a co-operative

By: Roger Anderson

Roger Anderson — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:49:13 +0000

sorry, I didn’t believe I was required to. I was showing that the ease of mobility you mentioned as a rebuttal does not minimise the issues presented by Daveo. I would agree with you that no other system presented so far other than capitalism has what you have mentioned. I would go so far as to say that no other system would prevent unequal power or economic relations, lack of democracy, exploitation, or any other negative that is presented by the capitalist system because people have been unfairly subjugated and exploited throughout history, even without the existance of capitalism. Marx failed to see this with his communist ideas and that is why it failed. The issue as Matt McCarten has raised is not whether capitalism is good or bad but what needs to be done to make sure that the positives of capitalism you mention can be of benefit to society and the majority of people who operate honestly within it.
Businesses can use just about any means at their disposal and are completely free to maximise their wealth. By free access and communication with unions, workers are merely doing the same thing, denying them this right that business leaders enjoy is truly undemocratic.

By: felix

felix — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:43:47 +0000

Do you really think a movie from Michael Moore will bring down Capitalism?

Nah. So fuck it then. That’s that.

By: felix

felix — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:40:52 +0000

The one discussed in the post. Duh.

By: TightyRighty

TightyRighty — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:27:01 +0000

and? that may all be somewhat true, but what you failed to tell everyone is what other economic system allows the mobility of inputs that capitalism does?