I thought the mapping out of my thought process as a reaction to your comments on this thread was fairly explicit. If you care to pinpoint which part you find hard to follow I’ll endeavour to make it clearer for you.

But Gitmo. In return, you care to explain how you came to your conclusions based on our exchange in this thread, ’cause I can’t see any sign of logic whatsoever?

Don’t accuse me of being a racist again please you fucktard.

What would you term it Gitmo? You do see how I get from your initial comment to my response don’t you? You follow the logic, yes?

How do you get from

“Ummmmm the Chinese leadership don’t give a fuck about Key or NZ or anyone or anything outside of China unless there’s something of benefit in it for them, this is why any global carbon trading ETS scheme is doomed even if the Chinese sign up to it they’ll lie and obfuscate about their figures.”

To

“It’s about your bald assertion that the Chinese government would lie and obfuscate; it’s about that assertion being based on an implicit assumption that ‘ours’ wouldn’t.”

“It’s about naive racism at best and cynical racism at worst”

There’s no implicit assumption that our government present or past or future doesn’t lie ….. I think they lie all the time. Fact China is the biggest CO2 emitter in the world. Fact they are far more concerned about their economy and face than reducing CO2 emissions. Fact that they are are a government that’s well known to bend the truth and fabricate data.

Don’t accuse me of being a racist again please you fucktard.

It’s about your bald assertion that the Chinese government would lie and obfuscate; it’s about that assertion being based on an implicit assumption that ‘ours’ wouldn’t.

It’s about naive racism at best and cynical racism at worst

If it’s a choice between the western governments and China I’ll take the western governments thanks very much….. but feel free to make your case how the Chinese government is better or no worse than govts in the west.

Unlike those nice honest western leaders who never lie about anything or obfuscate on any matter……ever.

White is right and yellow is peril, eh?

Hmmm, kinda like Miss Clark?

I wonder if John will increase donations to whatever organisation he wants to work for next in order to grease up the appointment committee…

That article screams desperation…is he being serious, or expect to be taken seriously contending that the US had “put serious cuts on the table for the first time (17% below 2005 levels by 2020), and was obviously prepared to up its offer.”

Really? A (whatwasit…3%? ) reduction on 1990 levels is serious when the science demands 50%? And as they were ‘obviously’ prepared to up the offer, we know what the upped offer was and the conditions surrounding it. Right? Oops. Apparently not. How strange.

Then again, perhaps I missed the intentional irony of that link appearing in a thread titled “MSM: you supply the spin, we publish it.”

Mr Mark omnipresent Lynas’s interpretation is a clear country mile distant from anything actually said in any of the reproduced conference speeches, but strangely reflective of the spin being attempted by Messrs Brown and Obama.

You may jest . .. but Mr Key is the jester