Written By: - Date published: 7:30 am, September 26th, 2008 - 75 comments
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Tags: tranzrail
We know John Key bought shares in Tranzrail on May 7 2003.
We know he then met with Rail America as a representative of New Zealand’s parliament on May 20, 2003.
We know those shares were then sold by June 10, 2003 for a massive profit.
It appears the sale of Tranzrail was discussed during this meeting and we can presume it had been scheduled when the shares were bought.
We don’t know who Key met with or what information was disclosed to him.
Isn’t it about time we did?
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Good point – the media has gone apeshit over the details of every single phone call or meeting in the Peter’s scandal but have hardly mentioned this meeting – maybe ‘cos Rodney Hide never whispered it in their ear…
We know you guys are so desperate to try and keep this story alive – but no one cares – Story is – Family Trust owned shares, John Keyy was starting his rapid rise to Prime Minister, and wisely sold all shares in all portfolios so there would be no conflict of interest. End of Story. As the latest poll this morning proves – the country is much more concerned about the issue of lies and corruption that surround the Labour-first axis. (Is Clark going to spend the weekend gardening?)
Monty, our blog our choice of content. I want to know about the rail America meeting. Too bad if you don’t want a bit of transparency. I have a question for you: if you really think there is “nothing to see here” then why are you looking?
Actually Monty, Key also had shares in his OWN name and I believe these are the shares in question. But I’m sure you already knew that. It’s just more sad and obvious Tory misdirection!
I’d sure like to know what was discussed at this meeting?
This won’t go away.
Shit yeah,
And while we’re at it let’s discuss his “management of debt” role at Merrill Lynch in 1999 when the Glass Seagall law was repealed so Wall street could go on a rampage.
And let’s get his opinion on all those mum and pop investment companies that went bust this year. You know all those salt of the earth investors hoping to have a little more than a pension to live off in their golden days and probably voting National because a “banker” knows about money.
I’m sure you’re right. This is a vitally important story. Cover it in as much detail as you can … but good luck in trying to get most of NZ interested.
It will give you something to do as Labour’s parliamentary ship is slowly scuttled by its crew.
In the meantime – the people of NZ have moved on. They have seen, they have judged, and they find Labour in contempt. If you got out more you would hear it on the streets. So many Labour voters are struggling with the notion that, for the first time in their lives, they simply cannot stomach voting for a Labour Government.
he Monty,
Again what’s with the royal “we”?
So far I see only one name.
And is it the “full” Monty?
actually I would like to know who the ‘we’ is monty. the nats have a very bad tendency to give directions to others and to either imply or indeed act in concert with others so speak man. who is this WE you keep banging on about?
Monty “As the latest poll this morning proves” – You are as full of it as JK, read the polls link http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=3101 you’ll understand they are just a tory vote mechanism designed to catch and influence idiots like you because you actually believe that shit.
Thomas – dream on buddy! Who are you to speak for the ‘people of New Zealand’?!! FFS! Talk about pompous!?!!
Captcha: trainload on
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DeeDub – I speak for no one but myself.
Hey, I could be wrong. All the “people of NZ” I meet most days could well be an insular group of crackpots mired in their own personal political prejudices – unlike those on this worthy blog. I could be misinterpreting the contempt I hear for Lanour in particular – but smeared also across polticians from all sides (and their cheerleaders).
I suspect we will see on November 8 – not only in the vote against this government – but more importantly by the number who have lost faith in the political process and fail to vote.
Thomas I am one of the people that you are speaking about and I sure don’t give you the my proxy how about a list of those who do and a reason why you should actually be the judge so we may contemplate taking you seriously.
whataloada crap ttu. any competent psychiatrist would see that you dont have enough personal contacts to form a proper sample and furthermore you are projecting your own fantasy’s onto the world at large. It is either a desperate attempt to maintain psychical reality or you are being programmed by a party operative who I guess is sufficient for you to claim ‘WE”.
Monty, you can’t even lie convincingly. The latest poll showed (if we are to take it at face value) that the public do not give a flying toss about what you see as “the issue of lies and corruption that surround the Labour-first axis” given NZF went up slightly, and Labour went down marginally and within the MoE.
Either the public doesn’t care about lies or corruption, or (clearly more likely) you’re full of the proberbial and can’t see what’s going on as well as the rest of NZ.
Not to mention the poll explicitly stated the economy was the most important issue. Maybe try to open one eye, and we’ll try for the second one if you’re sucessful with the first.
Hi Guys – As I understand it John Key did not own any shares personally, all 100,000 were in the name of the family trust (quite usual to do that) I appreciate that this is your blog and you can post on what ever you want – as does my friend Cam Slater at Whaleoil and the lads at No Minister etc – I enjoy reading all the blogs – but mostly I enjoy commenting here and until I am banned for speaking my Mind I intend to do so right up until 8 Novemeber 2008.
Maybe also on the 9 November when I will be a gloater.
Dubdub and others – your problem iss that Labour have deliberately got some important facts wrong – such as dates and who owned what. The lazy and excitable media did not fact check – but rather ran blind with the story fed by the Labour Party spin machine.
People are way more concerned about the decpetion of the Labour-First axis and the lies of Winston Peters and Labour’s continued protection – which is strange and we all need to know why she is protecting him – I think that is the bigger story. -
Mr Covenant – I hear the exact opposite – That People were considering National but just can’t trust them.
I suspect it’s more the circles we move in, unless you’re taken to random samples on teh street and in the pub.
“…by the number who have lost faith in the political process and fail to vote.”
Given the prevalence of politics in the news as of late, and the prospect of a humdinger of a campaign, I anticipate an increase in overall polling this year. I realise that the turgid Peters affair will turn some people off, but I expect the nett effect to be inspiring people to vote against him. Do you really think there will be increasing apathy this year?
Hey Thomas, assume you got your ‘Labour voters can’t bring selves to vote Labour’ line from a Nat-distributed list of things to say on left wing blogs since I’ve seen the exact same line on at least three different sites now.
Gee you right-wingers, have you NO creativity?
Oh that’s right – you don’t.
I think this Key story was just the first act…there’s more lying about his interests to uncover…heck, maybe they have uncovered it already. Key should SO be declaring any little secrets he’s got hiding, but he’s clearly not going to. Clueless doesn’t even begin to describe this.
No Matthew – you are wrong – the country cares deeply about the corruption of our politicians – so much so that over 50% want clark to be evicted and the majority suport for national remains strong because although he makes mistakes (as all politicians do) he actually fesses up, admits in and is believable in doing so.
I know you must be squirming at present that you hits are not having an impact – but the country is seeing the the cynical attempts to run interference on the big stories surrounding the Labour-first axis.
If you want to talk about the economy fine – it seems there Key is also more trusted to take NZ forward than Labour. You can establish your own reasons for than
Mathew
Someone is going to right and someone is going to be wrong. I believe personally the National , United Future, Maori, Act Government will be in. Sharples has said today that Helen is tired and needs to go so that is all good for the Nats.
Just as a aside I believe Labour are very concerned about the results they are getting from their own internal Polling particularly in the Auckland region I’m sure you will know that as you are close to the action.
monty Keys is not more trusted than Labour to take nNew Zealand forward whatever that little slice of crosbytextorism meANS. KEYS IS A PROVEN SHYSTER and no matter how much you try and project your fantasy onto the world at large it is and always will be a delusion and if you are not careful could develop into a full blown psychosis.
Monty,
No explanation as to the royal “we” and “Novemeber”?
New Zealand is one of only three countries least corrupt.
Deuh.
Oh Monty,
You are counting your chickens before they are hatched.
Corruption is such a strong word and you throw it around all to quickly. You seem to talk more about personalities with politics rather then policy. I think that is a dangerous line to take.
As the election gets closer more people will take notice of what each party stands for rather then this current political point scoring.
The gap is goinng to close.
National wont have enough by themselves and the Maori party will decide who is going to form the next government.
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the country cares deeply about the corruption of our politicians – so much so that over 50% want clark to be evicted
Blah blah blah blah blah. Deliberate lies or profound stupidity, you be the judge.
(1) NZ is the least corrupt country in the world.
(2) National is high in the polls for various reasons, nothing to do with “corruption”. And half of all voters don’t trust National.
And Pita doesn’t trust Helen either
What the hell are you on about Randal. Put down that pipe!
travellerev, it won’t be once the full scale of what Labour has done is found out over the next few years. I love how you guys keep referring to that. Going to bite you in the ass.
Infused,
For what it’s worth, I don’t trust anyone who wants power and I’m sure labour has done it’s share but a Wall street lying scum bag banker has no place in new Zealand politics.
Although still banned….. r0b
NZ is ‘perceived’ as a very “non-corrupt” country – and rightly so.
This does not however correlate to a complete lack of corruption and that occasionally things occur that shouldn’t.
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I thought it was hilarious when Labour decided to campaign on trust.
All National needs to do is run adds showing Labour’s BIGGEST EVER donor, Owen Glenn, stating how he wouldn’t want to be in the trenches with that lot, and now Pita Sharples comments about not trusting them.
The thing is, Labour is trawling the depths trying to come up with dirt on National. However, National doesn’t need to stoop to that level. The reason is that Labour is caking itself with as much brown stuff as it possibly can right in the public view. No need for National to run a negative campaign on Labour. Labour is doing that FOR them.
randal and eve… did you see the amount of times IB used the “royal we” in this post? I would copy and past them but that would be the whole post bar one sentence!
It’s interesting the assumptions people make.
I have probably voted Labour as much as National over the last 30 years. I have never been a member of a poltical party. My criteria for voting is more weighted to the personal integrity of a candidate (or at least what I perceive it to be)rather than an particular party platform.
I am less concerned with the machinations of MMP. I would rather hold to the naive belief that if enough people of integrity are elected to parliament – it will not matter which party they belong to.
For that reason – if I was to vote purely on political integrity in this election – I would probably be voting for the Maori Party.
he Lucas,
I’m with Irishbill on this one so he has a right to say we.
Added to that he probably speaks for the mates he blogs with on this site while you are just a lone commentator and if you still believe that John Key is something other than a used car salesman, snake oil salesman or whatever you are getting to be quit lonely.
Rob – what does ‘Close to the action’ mean? I haven’t been polled in South Auckland, nor am I a South Auckland voter if that’s what you mean. Or are you making an amateur attempt to play the stalking game? If so, I’ll be honest with you – you’re just not bright enough.
“No Matthew – you are wrong – the country cares deeply about the corruption of our politicians – so much so that over 50% want clark to be evicted and the majority suport for national remains strong because although he makes mistakes (as all politicians do) he actually fesses up, admits in and is believable in doing so.”
Monty, you still can’t lie convincingly – the polls do not say corruption is an issue. People would care about it if it were happening, but shy of the KBR, rational folk have come to a different conclusion.
That is why people have said conclusively, and repeatedly, that the economy is their biggest issue. Followed by tax, health, education, law and order (in no particular order) and ‘corruption and lies’ don’t ever register. Ever. get your head around that one.
Your corruption rantings aside, most or the folk out there are concerned about the economy and the effect it will have on them and their families. This is what they’re saying, based on polls (see, this is where you and I differ – you like to make things up).
“?If you want to talk about the economy fine – it seems there Key is also more trusted to take NZ forward than Labour. You can establish your own reasons for than”
Yep, I sure can, and a whole lot better than yourself… Labour isn’t doing well because prices are up, the economy is going through a rough patch, and people throughout the history of democratic elections will vote against an incumbent in such times. Nothing to do with 50% of people thinking National will do better – you just have no historical perspective, or choose to ignore it because it gets in the way of your little rants.
“I know you must be squirming at present that you hits are not having an impact”
My hits? Squirming? Uh, right. Yep despite my best efforts, ah, nothing’s happening. Who exactly do you think I am?
Thomas, fair enough.
My view is that they are politicians, not role models. Every now and then you get one that can be both of course, but most often they’ll let you down if you are looking for ‘integrity’.
The reason I say that is not that I think they are all lying scum or anything so cynical, but that integrity is a slippery thing to define.
Ignoring policy in favour of integrity ignores the point that it is policy that is at the heart of politics. People of great integrity can disagree completely about what is the right policy. They can believe each other to be genuinely dangerous in terms of those policy differences.
Thus their integrity to their beliefs about policy, their belief that it really is best for the Nation that their opponents not be in power, can lead them to use tactics that we might not like.
For myself, when I see a pollie running on a platform of ‘personal inegrity’ and not much else, I get very suspicious. They are easy words to say about yourself, especially if you’ve only got a short record, and it’s even easier to find fault in your opponents record.
But it leaves the question unanswered as to what the poltician plans on doing with the power s/he is seeking. Being clear and consistent about that question is the most integral one there is, in my view.
Integrity with regard to the fluffy non policy aspects of politics is easy to fake.
Eve-if you still believe that John Key is something other than a used car salesman, snake oil salesman or whatever you are getting to be quit lonely.
No, I don’t think I am getting to be quit lonely at all (is that even possible to quit being lonely?). However, I do know what you meant to type and still find your comment amusing considering the latest polls show that of decided voters over 50% of them are going to be voting for a JK National Party… since when has 50% been lonely?
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