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NAct MPs: heckling from “their armchairs”

Written By: - Date published: 3:01 pm, November 12th, 2013 - 128 comments
Categories: aid, climate change, disaster, greens, International, national/act government, russel norman, sustainability - Tags:

Today in the House, leaders of political parties spoke to John Key’s motion on the Typhoon in the Philippines.  Russel Norman read out a statement that was spoken by

Philippines climate negotiator Naderev “Yeb” Saño told the delegation at the 19th United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (COP19) Monday …

There is a report on the Saño speech in an article on Common dreams (as linked above).

Norman’s speech, that was heckled from the government benches for daring to make a “political” statement to such a motion: he was heckled for daring to read a speech calling for urgent action on climate change.

From the Common Dreams article on Saño’s speech:

Saño, the Philippine Climate Change Commissioner, delivered his address during the opening session of the 12-day climate talks in Warsaw, Poland three days after Typhoon Haiyan made landfall, wreaking havoc across his island nation.

“What my country is going through as a result of this extreme climate event is madness. The climate crisis is madness,” Saño told the assembly, describing the massive devastation and thousands feared dead following Typhoon Haiyan, the “strongest in modern recorded history.”

“We can stop this madness. Right here in Warsaw,” he added, appealing to the representatives of nearly 200 countries who assembled in a bid to reach a new agreement to replace the Kyoto protocol that expired last year. Many anticipate the talks will only amount to a 2015 agreement for new limits on greenhouse gas emissions.

“Typhoons such as Haiyan and its impacts represent a sobering reminder to the international community that we cannot afford to delay climate action,” Saño continued.

[...]

To climate change deniers, or those countries who are less impacted by the effects of global warming and therefore are less motivated to enact meaningful change, Saño challenged them before the Warsaw assembly,  saying, “I dare them, I dare them to get off their ivory towers and away from the comfort of their armchairs.”

But the shameless government hecklers, rather than ponder the seriousness of the situation, just heckled from the comfort of their seats in the House.

Norman called for Saño’s words to be honoured by taking urgent action in response to climate change.

As reported on Common Dreams:

Saño concluded his speech by acknowledging the personal toll of the storm, saying that his family hails from the devastated town of Tacloban where Haiyan made landfall on Friday.

Further impressing the severity of his commitment and the urgency of a climate agreement, Saño pledged to go on hunger strike until “clear progress is made,” saying, “In solidarity with my countrymen who are struggling to find food back home and with my brother who has not had food for the last three days… I will now commence a voluntary fasting.”

The full Saño is included at the above link.

As fender commented:

Not surprising, Key probably informed the Nats that Colin Craig is the new authority on climate change..

[update] Yeb Saño to Russel Norman

I salute you Russel Norman. http://adoptanegotiator.org/2013/11/12/and-they-laughed/ …

128 comments on “NAct MPs: heckling from “their armchairs””

  1. karol 1

    Russell Norman got heckled in the House today, during the speeches to the PM’s Philippine’s motion. Norman was heckled for quoting from a Philippine’s spokesperson’s comments about climate change, and then Norman talked to the issue of climate change.

    [karol: moved the rest of this thread here from open mike - so that the move of Bill's comment doesn't put all the responses out of sync]

    [Bill : sorry for mucking up the comments to your post and well saved. Big bashful smiling red smiley. No. I'm not going to attempt to put up an actual smiley and reckon I'm retiring from stressful back-end button pressing for the day]

    [karol: not a problem, Bill. I've had similar things happen with moving comments. Keeping a thread together seems to work, though there may be a better way of resolving it. Hope you have a relaxing evening. ]

    • fender 1.1

      Not surprising, Key probably informed the Nats that Colin Craig is the new authority on climate change..

    • Bill 1.2

      Was he not meant to mention global warming in the context of the typhoon….’cause like, that’s political or something? I mean, are we to imagine or pretend that the typhoon was an unavoidable tragedy that occurred in a vacuum – meaning that empty and meaningless platitudes are appropriate by way of a response?

      What I’m wondering is, that given the apparent ‘totaling’ of the infrastucture, and given that places aren’t being repaired (eg – New Orleans) and given that putting the same infrastructure back would be a waste of bloody time and energy…what are these twats who assume the role of governance actually suggesting be done now?

      A part of me thinks we’re going to see the very rich hop aboard their private jets and the ‘not quite piss poor’ jump aboard commercial flights while whole swathes of people are consigned to a future in a wasteland come refugee camp.

      And scenarios, whereby the rich get out and where the poor are abandoned to waste after storms and such like will play out again and again and again in various parts of the world until….well, until when? Until the private jets run out of landing strips? Until there is nowhere left to run bar places that have little fenced off, heavily guarded and catered to oases existing in a world of flotsam and jetsam?

      I know that image is all a bit dystopic sci-fi sounding. But since we are only at the very beginning of weather responding to climate changes. And since we are ‘locked in’ to a future of unprecedented weather events due to the lag between climate changing and weather responding fully to those changes. And since we all live within and rely upon infrastructures that simply cannot and will not withstand the severity of a whole lot of what’s coming. well, let me put it this way….ten years from now, your town gets ‘knocked over’ by some weather event and all services and supplies are disrupted. Do you really think anyone is coming to rebuild? And do you really think we have the materials and designs to withstand any repeat weather performances in the unlikely event a rebuild occurs?

      • King Kong 1.2.1

        Didn’t happen like that after the boxing day Tsunami, why is this different?

        [Umm, the boxing day tsunami was caused by an earthquake. the typhoon was an extreme weather event, which are becoming stronger and more frequent due to climate change. Moron. Eddie]

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.2.1.1

          Frequency. Certainty.

          *I give up. This is supposed to be a reply to KK @ 4.1.1

          [Bill: - Gah. Possibly 'my bad'. My comment was originally posted in 'open mike'. And I moved it over here. And there was me thinking it had been so flawless. Oh well.]

        • Bill 1.2.1.2

          Yes it did. There are still people living in temporary shelters. And a tsunami, by its very nature affects only coastal strips – not entire swathes of inland or raised areas and the local infrastructure/services they contain and that can then (theoretically) be expanded back into affected areas.

          • karol 1.2.1.2.1

            Reply to Bill @ 3.45pm: Not only is it different, but,as you said @ 3.18pm, there will increasingly frequent extreme weather events in the future: with each recovery stretching diminishing resources beyond their capabilities.

            • Tat Loo (CV) 1.2.1.2.1.1

              Yep. And expect the extremely wealthy to start retreating into fortified holdouts or fiefdoms as this occurs over the next century.

        • King Kong 1.2.1.3

          Sorry, no one sent me the memo that said we only clean up after non climate change events.

          Unlucky my Filipino brothers.

      • infused 1.2.2

        Yes… we will rebuild, stronger. Humans have adapted for thousands of years. This is no different.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.2.2.1

          Bravely said Infused. Keep your chin up.

        • Tat Loo (CV) 1.2.2.2

          Humans have also died back to a handful of millions on several occasions. The chances of people surviving on this planet longer than cockroaches is approx nil.

          • Rhinocrates 1.2.2.2.1

            Actually, despite superficial differences, human beings are astonishingly lacking in genetic diversity, suggesting a bottleneck of about 10 000 individuals about 70 000 years ago. This is often linked to the Toba supervolcano eruption.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_bottleneck

            Change is indeed not a problem and we can adapt. Stopping your car is not a problem either – you can put on the brakes and gently slow down… or you can drive into a concrete wall. The same result will be achieved, but the costs will be radically different.

        • Rogue Trooper 1.2.2.3

          Different ecosystem unfolding . Carry on confusing.

      • karol 1.2.3

        Bill: Was he not meant to mention global warming in the context of the typhoon….’cause like, that’s political or something? I mean, are we to imagine or pretend that the typhoon was an unavoidable tragedy that occurred in a vacuum – meaning that empty and meaningless platitudes are appropriate by way of a response?

        It shows how tied up the government is with useless protocols and an ideological bubble,over the real demands of NZ and the world. They do the routine thing of making standard statements about providing aid a band aid. Once the devastation of the Philippines disappears from the news, the government will show limited interest in their recovery – let alone in taking proactive precautions and preparations for the future.

  2. gobsmacked 3

    It’s a very revealing episode … giving a damn about people versus giving a damn about decorum.

    Lots of ranting on twitter, but the award for Right Wing Moran Speaking Braynes goes to this guy …

    https://twitter.com/BeepeeNZ/status/400080260022009856

    “People more important than climate change”. That’s priceless. Beyond stupid, beyond satire.

  3. King Kong 4

    To be consistent, I hope that every time Russell hears someone fart, he writes a strongly worded missive to Watties.

    • gobsmacked 4.1

      You do know whose message he was relaying, don’t you?

      • King Kong 4.1.1

        Some emotional guy who just had his house tipped over?

        • mickysavage 4.1.1.1

          The stupid it burns …

          • Anne 4.1.1.1.1

            Lets call the hecklers for what they are… philistines and cretins. And that includes the neanderthal above called King Kong.

            I want to know who they are: who on the govt.benches heckled and jeered. They deserve to be publicly named! Does anyone have an opposition MP mate they can contact and find out then name them here?

            Climate Change is not a political matter. It’s real and the planet is facing a catastrophic future. We have a bunch of ignorant, self serving, brain impaired parliamentarians who apparently don’t give a damm for the future of their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren – let alone the generations beyond that if mankind even gets that far – means they are not fit to be in a place like parliament.

            Name and shame them!

            • Anne 4.1.1.1.1.1

              Edit function on the blink. Last words should read – and that means they are not fit to be in a place like parliament.

            • TightyRighty 4.1.1.1.1.2

              Right, so if we are sceptical about the human involvement in climate change we are neanderthals , philistines and cretins. sure to win you support for the policies you believe should be enacted to “prevent” storms.

              Climate was made a political matter, by political parties, like the greens. and by their supporters, who called for a political solution. now the wheels are falling off the movement through a lack of discernible change, we get shrieked at silly hysterical anons like “anne”.

              It’s either a political issue and the greens have a reason for being in parliament, or it’s not and russell norman can fuck off back to aussie. a much bigger polluter than NZ i might add.

              • Rogue Trooper

                a realpolitik issue ackshully.
                ooh, a half-ton of comments, only gets faster from here on in.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                You have no claim to skepticism that will survive the most cursory scrutiny, Tighty.

                There is no lack of discernible change. There is a chorous of ignorati jumping on precise words like “significant”, and cherry-picking dates to measure from, while the planet continues to warm.

              • johnm

                Tightyrighty
                You’re an idiot moron of the first degree get lost you stupid beep beep. Anne is more onto it than you’ll ever be.

                • TightyRighty

                  haha. oooooohhhhhh, you really told me johnm. got a crush on Anne?

                  I feel like i’ve been told by the smelly kid in primary school that i’m a mean meanie for reminding they stink. Like Anne’s hysterical name and shame call and now johnm’s “idiot moron – first degree”

                  Make me a badge you low rent waste of bandwidth

            • johnm 4.1.1.1.1.3

              1000% right Anne!

    • greywarbler 4.2

      Beans to you King Kong. There’s your acknowledgement for the day so you don’t feel totally bereft bewildered and useless in the world.

  4. infused 5

    Nature happens. Simple as that.

    Anything to do with climate change isn’t going to stop Typhoons.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1

      Yeah, weather has nothing to do with climate at all. Nothing. Oh no, wait, this just in.

      All weather events are affected by climate change because the environment in which they occur is warmer and moister than it used to be….

      Kevin Trenberth.

      Ah well, good on you for having such a dogged faith in your personal opinion, Infused. After all, it’s the wingnut way.

      • mickysavage 5.1.1

        And this from NBC News:

        Experts say Typhoon Haiyan was about as strong as it could theoretically get when it swept through the Philippines, killing thousands of people and driving hundreds of thousands from their homes. But intensity limits have been rising over decades past — and climate models suggest they will keep rising over the decades to come, with the potential for bigger and more devastating storms.

        Of course there is nothing to fear or worry about and we can continue to trash the environment without concern …

        http://www.nbcnews.com/science/typhoon-haiyan-pushed-limit-bigger-storms-are-coming-2D11577486

      • alwyn 5.1.2

        On the other hand there was this from the New Scientist of 21 September.

        “It’s been a slow season for Hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean. The first one, Humberto, formed just last week and quickly fizzled out before it got anywhere near land”.
        As an update to this on October 24th we had a news story that the Atlantic Hurricane season of 2013 is the quietest in 45 years.
        http://news.yahoo.com/atlantic-hurricane-season-quietest-45-years-experts-170425159.html

        So, we appear to have serious hurricanes from global warming in the Pacific but unusually benign conditions in the Atlantic because of global warming. Odd indeed.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1.2.1

          Gosh. Different weather in different parts of the globe, all affected by climate. Amazing!

        • Anne 5.1.2.2

          That is the pattern of global weather Alwyn. In a nutshell, one hemisphere (or part there-of) can experience moderate to mild weather patterns while the corresponding hemisphere (or part there-of) is being bashed about by storms and other extreme weather events. You see, nature tries to balance all things out one way or another. That is why we have cyclones and anticyclones – one counters the existence of the other. Indeed one can’t exist without the other.

          The problem we have is that mankind is doing its dammdest to bugger up that balance and succeeding alarmingly well.

          • alwyn 5.1.2.2.1

            Do you have a reference that explains this? I find it hard to see any causal reason for different hemispheres to have complementary weather and I would be fascinated to see an explanation, or even evidence without an explanation for it occuring.
            Cyclones and anti-cyclones do not counter each other except in the trivial fact that one is a spot with high pressure and one with low pressure. A cyclone does not “cause” an anticyclone to be created.

            • Anne 5.1.2.2.1.1

              Alwyn you have little comprehension of, or knowledge of meteorology because if you had, you would appreciate my discourse was aimed at the lay person which you obviously are…

              A cyclone does not “cause” an anticyclone to be created.

              In actual fact the physical properties that come together to form a cyclone will eventually produce an opposite process in an aligned region. That’s why they’re called cyclones and anticyclones.

              a spot with high pressure and one with low pressure

              lolz.

              • SHG (not Colonial Viper)

                In actual fact the physical properties that come together to form a cyclone will eventually produce an opposite process in an aligned region. That’s why they’re called cyclones and anticyclones.

                Just…wow.

            • alwyn 5.1.2.2.2.1

              I’m not sure whether you are answering me or not, as you appear to be replying to Anne’s comment.
              If you are suggesting this to me however this has nothing to do with what Anne is proposing. She is saying, as I read her, that the weather over in the Western Pacific is paired with the weather over the Western Atlantic, which is very nearly on the other side of the world. The link you give is for the weather a bit north and south of the equator, but otherwise fairly close together.
              Her hypothesis is rather like the 17th century view that there had to be a great southern land mass to balance Europe etc with a land mass in the South Pacific.
              If you weren’t talking to me please excuse this comment.

              • Rogue Trooper

                you may be excused as one of the better contrasts in the box of crayons. Always worth scribbling through imo

              • joe90

                Just a hint that the convergence zone oscillates latitudinally affecting weather longitudinally – what occurs in the Pacific doesn’t necessarily correspond with events in the Atlantic.

                (shuts eyes re cyclone/anti-cyclone)

                • Rogue Trooper

                  I smiled :-D

                • Anne

                  – what occurs in the Pacific doesn’t necessarily correspond with events in the Atlantic.

                  Correct.

                  My use of the word hemisphere was in its broadest sense. Was not meant to be north and south.

              • Anne

                the weather over in the Western Pacific is paired with the weather over the Western Atlantic,

                Bollocks. I didn’t say anything of the sort. Indulging in your usual cock and bull spin…

                Slink back under your bridge Alwyn where you belong.

                • alwyn

                  It is very hard, when reading your original comment, not to interpret it as saying precisely that Anne.
                  When the original comment, to which I was replying connected the Phillipines cyclone to climate change I was merely pointing out that, if this was the case, why did it not also happen in the Caribbean, where precisely the opposite weather appeared to be happening. One would expect a glabal effect such as climate change to have similar results everywhere.
                  Your response to this was to inform me that “Nature tries to balance things out”. I, and I’m sure most people would interpret that, in light of the material you were supposedly replying to as saying that Nature was causing calm weather in the Caribbean to “balance” out the wild weather in the Phillipines (or the other way round if you wish).
                  You tell me that was not what you said at all. Fine, I’m take your word for it even if the way you expressed it says the opposite.

                  • Anne

                    most people would interpret that, in light of the material you were supposedly replying to as saying that Nature was causing calm weather in the Caribbean to “balance” out the wild weather in the Phillipines

                    Most people you say. Well, if they are BM, Tighty Righty, King Kong and Alwyn clones then Yes, you’re probably right. But if they are informed and have a bit of knowledge of the related sciences, then the answer is NO. They would know I was saying nothing of the sort. You actually show how ignorant you are on this subject. Suggest you stick to subjects you know something about. Or own up to what you are really doing… tr–ling.

      • infused 5.1.3

        read what I said douche bag. I said it’s not going to “stop” them.

    • Anne 5.2

      Yep. Nature is telling us loud and clear:

      STOP TRASHING THE PLANET OR ELSE…

      Bigger and more horrendous typhoons and hurricanes is just for starters, and they will occur with ever increasing frequency.

      Yet another pea brained cretin.

      Edit: this is a reply to infused above.

      • King Kong 5.2.1

        So what was nature telling us with all the violent storms that happened before we invented climate change?

        • Naturesong 5.2.1.1

          I disagree that “Nature” tells us anything.

          The phrasing of your question reveals your bias. We did not invent climate change.
          We (meaning geeks, academics, scientists; folks who spend their lives chipping away at the frontier of ignorance) noticed a trend in both temperature averages and extreme weather events. A trend significant enough to warrant additional research. And as we have done more research and gathered data over the last 40 years it all points in the same direction, rising water levels and greater frequency of extreme weater events.

        • infused 5.2.1.2

          Exactly. Your all acting as if hurricanes and typhoons suddenly started 10 years ago.

          This has been happening for hundreds of years. The reason why it’s worse now is because of population growth. More people being affected.

          • Richard Christie 5.2.1.2.1

            Having children makes the wind blow harder.

          • North 5.2.1.2.2

            Yes, Confused @ 5.2.1.2, population growth. Pause. Think about it. Population growth. And all that flows from it.

            You and King (Canute) Kong and BM. What else do you idiots do for recreation ? Other than trolling on TS and driving your unfortunate near ones to distraction.

            Hide behind the hedge with your slug gun gleefully shooting sparrows ?

          • Rhinocrates 5.2.1.2.3

            Frequency and severity is the issue.

            Really, I cannot imagine that someone would actually, honestly be so stupid.

          • Tracey 5.2.1.2.4

            hundreds of years? You believe the world was created 6000 years ago infused?

        • Rogue Trooper 5.2.1.3

          and you can be correct at times also; yes, we did invent climate change. Well said Cheetah.

  5. Naturesong 6

    One of the blogs I follow is Actuarial eye. It’s written by one of Australias leading actuaries.

    I’m reminded of a post she did several years ago about the effects of climate change and how warming temperatures increase the likelyhood of extreme weather events.
    At that time she was writing about the heat wave that Australia was experiencing, however her explanation goes further into extreme events in general. It’s quite a scary picture.

    How does climate change affect extreme weather events?

    You don’t need complex models of extreme weather events following climate change to realise that extreme events become much more frequent if the average temperature moves up a little bit. But complex models of extreme weather events suggest that the extremities move even further than a very simple normal distribution would suggest.

  6. gobsmacked 7

    But the real point here is not that some fools deny climate change.

    It’s that John “I believe in climate change, I always have” Key and his MPs are not arguing against the reality of climate change, they’re arguing against saying so out loud.

    That’s Russel’s ‘crime’ here. That’s why the Nats are so angry. He’s exposing the hypocrisy, not of the climate change denier, but those who pretend they believe and care, while doing bugger all.

    • Rogue Trooper 7.1

      Yup amigo. ( All Quiet on the Western Front )

    • Naturesong 7.2

      The National Governemt is not doing bugger all. They are doing quite a lot.

      Open cast mine in Denniston Plateau.
      Open cast mine for Fonterra near Mangatawhiri.
      Deep sea drilling consents granted and drilling to commence near Oamaru and Taranaki first up.

      All in spite of those rabid commie hippy institutions; OECD and the World Bank. OECD calling for fossil fuel subsidies to be removed

    • Anne 7.3

      gobsmacked outs one of the pea brained NAct parliamentary cretins who heckled… TAU HENARE.

      He’s exposing the hypocrisy, not of the climate change denier, but those who pretend they believe and care, while doing bugger all.

      I repeat what I said at 4.1.1.1.1
      We have a bunch of ignorant, self serving, brain impaired parliamentarians who apparently don’t give a damm for the future of their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren – let alone the generations beyond that if mankind even gets that far – and that means they are not fit to be in a place like parliament.

      • Bill 7.3.1

        Oh, I don;t know if they are so much ‘ignorant, self serving etc…’ so much as accomplices in crimes against humanity. Or is it not a crime against humanity to insist that people continue to act in ways and to do things and to use things that will result in the deaths of millions? If it’s not, then what is it?

        • Anne 7.3.1.1

          Hi Bill

          Oh, I don;t know if they are so much ‘ignorant, self serving etc…’ so much as accomplices in crimes against humanity.

          Not a lot of difference in my book. :twisted:

          Courtesy of TV3. Here’s the names of a few more of the cretins:

          BILL ENGLISH, JAMIE LEE-ROSS, PAULA BENNETT.

          Others approached said:

          It wasn’t that they’re against Climate Change, but that Russel Norman used it for political purposes.

          On the one hand they’re not against it (like it was some ideological viewpoint akin to walloping children) but rather the person who was trying to point out the seriousness of the obvious… was the one supposedly being political.

          The stupid, it hurts.

      • karol 7.3.2

        And from gobsmacked’s link above, Shane Jones agreed with Henare. Maybe Jones should just join National?

  7. Ancient Ruin 8

    Given the climate will change, be it under the influence of humans or otherwise (insert your preference and corresponding rate of change here) it seems sensible to be adaptable to whatever is thrown at you rather than sticking with the status quo. That’s what gets me – arguing that its natural is no defence for not being prepared (and prepared to do something now)…

    • Rogue Trooper 8.1

      it’ll be the ruination of us all .

    • Lanthanide 8.2

      “That’s what gets me – arguing that its natural is no defence for not being prepared (and prepared to do something now)…”

      Right, but that’s the core of it. If it’s man-made, and man-made because of emitting millions of tons of CO2, then part of the solution is necessarily going to be reducing emissions.

      But if it’s natural, and CO2 emissions don’t matter (which is what the deniers, fundamentally backed by the fossil fuel industries, are saying), then we can keep on with the same level of CO2 emissions we have now and look at other actions we can take to reduce the impact of climate change.

  8. ghostrider888 9

    “Fine words can be sold
    honoured acts can oppress people”.
    -62

  9. North 10

    How bloody outrageous of Russel Norman to rain on the parade of ShonKey (Little Churchill) Python by quoting a Filipino of note. Damn ! As Little Churchill laid further narcissistic claim to global statesmanship (vomit) ?

    Anyone who is not instantly compelled to clutch the pearls need only listen to the vulgar smoko-room squawk of the bloated, koretake, troughing, kupapa of the North, pissed-on-the-List, the thick Tau Henare – TV3 News tonight.

    My God how devilish are these Greens please ?

    • BM 10.1

      My God how devilish are these Greens please ?

      They are a 10%, poopy party.
      I fart in their general direction.

      • North 10.1.1

        You are a fart. You demonstrate it on a daily basis. All malodorous gas and no substance. No morals too it would seem. A selfish, goonish, ShonKey Python cargo-cultist. Karma will get you. I will applaud.

  10. Anne 11

    Thanks North.

    Together with my 7.3 plus 7.3.1., I think we’ve nailed it.

  11. charles kinbote 12

    Its good to have the Climate doctrine dogma preached by Norman. This way the media can see here just what will follow from a socialist Government. Is there any body from the religious branch of Science here who reads the complete screw ups the Bureaucratic IPCC is making. No such thing as medieval warming, the j curve applies here, but not there.Rings in trees signify growth here but hide this stuff over there, pure ideaology. Those of us who are socialists and sociologists are better qualified . Doubt is ignorance. Skepiticism is ignorance . We have science and we have IPCC science. One has the objective of fact finding the other fund finding

    [karol: You are on a warning - see here.

    Continuing with this line of comment also puts you on a warning for a banning]

    • Zorr 12.1

      Citations from publications required

      kthxbye plonker

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 12.2

      Gosh! I’m completely convinced by your expertise and sincerity, Charles, but I find these “science” types to be sticklers for accuracy. Would you might citing the IPCC AR5 references your witless drivel relies on?

    • gobsmacked 12.3

      Hi Charles

      When John Key says “I firmly believe in climate change, and always have” … is he a fool? Or is he lying? (or both?).

      Do you agree with him, or not? I reckon he’s bullshitting, but do you believe him?

      http://www.johnkey.co.nz/archives/1714-NZ-committed-to-addressing-Pacific-climate-change.html

      PS I’ve noticed you tend to dump and run in these discussions. How about engaging in debate? It’s only polite, and you guys are big on politeness, right? Not like that scoundrel Dr Norman.

  12. Lloyd 13

    The main influence of increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is more on the sea than on climate.

    The oceans are becoming more acid because water absorbs carbon dioxide and this becomes carbonic acid, like fizzy drinks. Acidity affects sea life and we may find shell-fish off our menu well before we are swimming up Lambton Quay. Maybe Russell Norman would have more impact on the morons who think global warming is political if he tells them their oysters may run out rather than telling them they are killing Phillipinos.

    The second effect of increasing greenhouse gases is warming of the seas, which is more definite than any atmospheric effects. It is interesting that warm seas are the source of hurricanes. Warmer seas can obviously make stronger hurricanes.

  13. charles kinbote 14

    sorry to be witless people .I couldn’t tell a joke as well as Bill 1.2, 12 November 2013 at 3:37 pm

    ” Was he [ Norman ] not meant to mention global warming in the context of the typhoon….’cause like, that’s political or something? mean, are we to imagine or pretend that the typhoon was an unavoidable tragedy that occurred in a vacuum – meaning that empty and meaningless platitudes are appropriate by way of a response?
    “”
    haha yes thats right Bill joker, all disaster are caused by climate.
    Its really bad Bill, if those bloody Australians had kept paying the carbon taxes, there would have been no bush fires.
    I will deal with the tree rings shortly believers, you know that stuff where trees grow slow in the cold like the medieval times hidden agenda, Now remember no dirty words believers we are not used to blaspheming believers .

    [karol: You are on a warning - see here.

    Continuing with this line of comment also puts you on a warning for a banning]

  14. charles kinbote 15

    Believers, believers come see the magic . I will set up a blog site now.
    We will deal with Co2 first. Now you do know that Co2 has been at very low levels for the last few thousand years, don’t you believers. You do know that in Church don’t you.
    CO2 at huge levels right in those ice ages believers , graphics tomorrow socialists .

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 15.1

      How do you know anything about CO2 levels? Have you been listening to those “scientists” again? I thought you said they were lying or something.

  15. charles kinbote 16

    Here you are Truthers, billions of tons of CO2 evidence , put glasses on, and don’t worry if you reject Science and stick with religion, so does IPCC. anyway if you don’t like this evidence well we have more.
    believersnz.blogspot.com

    [karol: so you have given a url for your own (hastily set up) blog. It has a copied image and a graph (no citation) on it, and no explanation. You're taking the piss!

    Instead of just a link whoring excuse for citing evidence, try making an actual argument here, citing relevant and specific evidence. Otherwise any more comments from you on this thread will be deleted.

    Your style of argument on this thread so far is pretty abysmal, showing you understand zilch about climate change, and no willingness to seriously engage in discussion]

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 16.1

      Better make sure the source of your CO2 evidence isn’t a paleoclimatologist or you’ll look a bit foolish.

    • Rhinocrates 16.2

      karol, I am astonished that you can make sense of that gibberish – it’s like Dada poetry.

  16. Paul 17

    Audrey Young from the Herald sides with the deniers.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11155991

    “Norman’s climate change lecture strikes the wrong note.
    Then it was the turn of Greens co-leader Russel Norman, who clearly decided he was not going to let this crisis go to waste, as the saying goes.
    Instead of his own speech, he quoted extensively from Yeb Sano, the head of the Philippines delegation at UN climate change talks in Warsaw.
    It was like getting a long lecture on cigarette-smoking instead of a eulogy at the funeral of someone who had died of lung cancer.”

    Shame on her.

    • chris73 17.1

      Good on her for writing what most of us are thinking

      • Paul 17.1.1

        I’m not thinking that Chris.
        I’m thinking what a leper NZ is becoming in the world thanks to the ‘me me me’ views of people like you.
        And aren’t you so clever copying the Conservative slogan? That’s all the right wing have…slogans.

      • framu 17.1.2

        for gods sake “shes just saying what everyones thinking” has to be the most thick witted moronic position to take on ANY subject

        Its the standard bearer of the anti thinking crowd – do you like belonging to the group that doesnt exercise any critical thought whatsoever?

        1) you have no idea what everyone is thinking and you mark yourself a fool to claim you do
        2) people should have a good argument, and the defense of it is that the argument is sound – not “heaps of people totes agree with me”

      • Tracey 17.1.3

        why do people right of the political spectrum always think that what they and their friends think is shared by everyone?

        A myth is a myth no matter how many of your friends believe it.

        • Rhinocrates 17.1.3.1

          Put nicely by Anatole France,

          If forty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

          http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anatole_France

          To paraphrase, if forty foolish people claim that forty million silently think it, then it is an extremely foolish thing.

        • photonz 17.1.3.2

          Tracey says “why do people right of the political spectrum always think that what they and their friends think is shared by everyone?”

          Why do people on the left think that ONLY people on the right do that?

    • newsense 17.2

      oops missed this.yep. shame

  17. Craig 18

    Thirty years ago, in a situation of similar gravity, why do I suspect the same climate change denialist National Party MPs would have been nuclear winter sceptics?

    • Tracey 18.1

      30 years ago the right claimed the economy would collapse if we went nuclear free… cos the US would hate us

  18. Craig 19

    And some of them are quoting Brendan O’Neill, a seriously weird UK ex-Trot turned mad neoconservative opponent of social democracy and green politics…

  19. newsense 20

    From Audrey Young:

    “It was like getting a long lecture on cigarette-smoking instead of a eulogy at the funeral of someone who had died of lung cancer.”

    Nope. More like it was sharing an empassioned speech against tobacco by the brother of the man who died, calling for action and being shouted down by Philip Morris apologists.

  20. photonz 21

    World News Australia reports
    “In its most recent assessment on global warming the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found there were no identifiable long term trends when comes to tropical cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons.”

    The funny thing is, if anybody else says exactly the same thing as the IPCC, they get called climate change deniers.

    • Colonial Viper 21.1

      Links mate or it didn’t happen.

      Meanwhile, back to sanity:

      Global temperatures are almost half a degree Celsius above the long-term average so far in 2013, putting this year on course to be among the 10 hottest since records began, the world’s leading meteorological agency says.

      In a provisional statement on the global climate in 2013, the World Meteorological Organisation says the first nine months of this year tied with 2003 as the seventh hottest such period on record.

      The statement was released in Warsaw on Wednesday where countries are meeting for the latest round of negotiations on a new treaty to tackle global warming.

      In Australia, temperatures are on track for the hottest year on record. Australia’s temperatures from January to October were 1.32 degrees above average, which annually is 21.8 degrees.

      http://www.smh.com.au/environment/global-heat-headed-for-record-20131113-2xgxd.html

      • photonz 21.1.1

        Colonial Viper says “Links mate or it didn’t happen.”

        Is there any point? I’ve linked to well know things like the Auckland blackouts, and the Post Office running down telecom when it was govt owned, and you just say they’re lies.

        If you know what google is, you can search the quote and you’ll find it thousands of times – take your pick.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 21.2

      The funny thing is, when people only want to discuss the things IPCC is uncertain of, while ignoring multiple lines of evidence, they get called climate change deniers. FIFY

  21. charles kinbote 22

    truthers, believers,
    I have put up the evidence where the IPPC slipped and slopped around the slope to warm it up.
    Also the trick [ 'trick' just a little IPCC euphemism for dishonesty ] they used to censor out the medieval warm, by throwing in oscillations . Go over to the graph, it is self explanatory when you look at it. Yes do pop over there truthers , and if there is not enough evidence for the hocus pocus, well there is more. lots more .
    believersnz.blogspot.com

    I am deeply ashamed to upset Karol of course
    < I know you all have climatology degrees and better, .

    "heres Karol in big bold letters …
    [karol: so you have given a url for your own (hastily set up) blog. It has a copied image and a graph (no citation) on it, and no explanation. You're taking the piss!

    Instead of just a link whoring excuse for citing evidence, try making an actual argument here, citing relevant and specific evidence. Otherwise any more comments from you on this thread will be deleted.
    Your style of argument on this thread so far is pretty abysmal, showing you understand zilch about climate change, and no willingness to seriously engage in discussion]
    and
    karol: You are on a warning – see here.

    Continuing with this line of comment also puts you on a warning for a banning]

    Hey I have an idea Karol, you tell me what to say and I'll try to write it

    [karol: if you are only capable of repeating what other people say without understanding, and not of looking at the evidence and using it as the basis for a reasoned argument, you'd be better not to write anything.]

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 22.1

      All this must be true, which makes it a complete mystery as to why the only people who will take you seriously are the Tea Party :lol:

    • lprent 22.2

      Science is about uncertainty. An entire branch of maths (statistics) was built to deal that. You will find that assessment of uncertainty through the entire IPCC report including the definitions of exactly what they mean when they say “likely” etc..

      I realise that you are a slave to some kind of absolutist faith which leads you to be known mostly for parroting other people’s words. Perhaps if you actually read the IPCC reports first section you may gather an appreciation for how honest and smart people handle uncertainty and risk. They measure the level of it.

      It may help you with understanding your fear of measured honesty.

      In the meantime I suspect most of the people here will continue to regard you as being a prattling fool who is less concerned with the science, and more interested in a simple denial based mostly on deliberate misinterpretation of anything that isn’t a simple assertion of absolute faith.

  22. knuckle teamd 23

    I would like to see the collective qualifications in Science [ if any] of the Standard team

    [lprent: Permanently banned troll under many names.... Now due for the treatment given to the real fuckwits of the internet ]
    .

    • lprent 23.1

      Ah how? You want to come and examine my Earth Science BSc from 1981? And qualifications merely a good starting point for science..

      But I think that there is a better starting point. You should have to prove that you can understand some basic science before we have to waste our valuable time on a illiterate moron who probably couldn’t understand something as basic as clay slippage morphology.

      Perhaps you should convince us that you are not simply a knuckle dragging moron. For instance by finding and clearly understanding something in the IPCC. Umm first year stuff – what about the isotope indicators in fossil calcium shell debris from ocean cores for sea temperature? Nice and easy first year stuff from 30 years ago in quaternary geology…

      But we all know how this is going to turn out. You’re going to whine and whinge about how that bad old man wanted you to prove you can think…. Adding you to auto-spam. When I have time I will see if you can.

      BTW: I’m not a “team” player… I just like persecuting fuckwit trolls. Please read the policy especially the sections about targeting authors, attempts on privacy, and how much I despise whining fuckwits like you.

    • Murray Olsen 23.2

      You wouldn’t even understand the title of either of my theses, knuckle dragger. What you’d like to see is irrelevant. Anyone who knows anything about any branch of science knows whether someone else is worth taking seriously within the first couple of lines they write. You aren’t.

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  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • What The Hell Was That! Reflections on the media’s coverage of the Intern...
    WHAT, EXACTLY, DO WE KNOW about the confrontation outside Internet-Mana’s campaign launch? Well, we know the news media was there in force. We also know Internet-Mana’s media person, Pam Corkery, blew her stack. We know that Corkery’s outburst led the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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