NAct MPs: heckling from “their armchairs”

Written By: - Date published: 3:01 pm, November 12th, 2013 - 128 comments
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Today in the House, leaders of political parties spoke to John Key’s motion on the Typhoon in the Philippines.  Russel Norman read out a statement that was spoken by

Philippines climate negotiator Naderev “Yeb” Saño told the delegation at the 19th United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (COP19) Monday …

There is a report on the Saño speech in an article on Common dreams (as linked above).

Norman’s speech, that was heckled from the government benches for daring to make a “political” statement to such a motion: he was heckled for daring to read a speech calling for urgent action on climate change.

From the Common Dreams article on Saño’s speech:

Saño, the Philippine Climate Change Commissioner, delivered his address during the opening session of the 12-day climate talks in Warsaw, Poland three days after Typhoon Haiyan made landfall, wreaking havoc across his island nation.

“What my country is going through as a result of this extreme climate event is madness. The climate crisis is madness,” Saño told the assembly, describing the massive devastation and thousands feared dead following Typhoon Haiyan, the “strongest in modern recorded history.”

“We can stop this madness. Right here in Warsaw,” he added, appealing to the representatives of nearly 200 countries who assembled in a bid to reach a new agreement to replace the Kyoto protocol that expired last year. Many anticipate the talks will only amount to a 2015 agreement for new limits on greenhouse gas emissions.

“Typhoons such as Haiyan and its impacts represent a sobering reminder to the international community that we cannot afford to delay climate action,” Saño continued.

[…]

To climate change deniers, or those countries who are less impacted by the effects of global warming and therefore are less motivated to enact meaningful change, Saño challenged them before the Warsaw assembly,  saying, “I dare them, I dare them to get off their ivory towers and away from the comfort of their armchairs.”

But the shameless government hecklers, rather than ponder the seriousness of the situation, just heckled from the comfort of their seats in the House.

Norman called for Saño’s words to be honoured by taking urgent action in response to climate change.

As reported on Common Dreams:

Saño concluded his speech by acknowledging the personal toll of the storm, saying that his family hails from the devastated town of Tacloban where Haiyan made landfall on Friday.

Further impressing the severity of his commitment and the urgency of a climate agreement, Saño pledged to go on hunger strike until “clear progress is made,” saying, “In solidarity with my countrymen who are struggling to find food back home and with my brother who has not had food for the last three days… I will now commence a voluntary fasting.”

The full Saño is included at the above link.

As fender commented:

Not surprising, Key probably informed the Nats that Colin Craig is the new authority on climate change..

[update] Yeb Saño to Russel Norman

I salute you Russel Norman. http://adoptanegotiator.org/2013/11/12/and-they-laughed/ …

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  1. karol 1
    12 November 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Russell Norman got heckled in the House today, during the speeches to the PM’s Philippine’s motion. Norman was heckled for quoting from a Philippine’s spokesperson’s comments about climate change, and then Norman talked to the issue of climate change.

    [karol: moved the rest of this thread here from open mike – so that the move of Bill’s comment doesn’t put all the responses out of sync]

    [Bill : sorry for mucking up the comments to your post and well saved. Big bashful smiling red smiley. No. I’m not going to attempt to put up an actual smiley and reckon I’m retiring from stressful back-end button pressing for the day]

    [karol: not a problem, Bill. I’ve had similar things happen with moving comments. Keeping a thread together seems to work, though there may be a better way of resolving it. Hope you have a relaxing evening. ]

    • fender 1.1
      12 November 2013 at 2:29 pm

      Not surprising, Key probably informed the Nats that Colin Craig is the new authority on climate change..

    • Bill 1.2
      12 November 2013 at 3:37 pm

      Was he not meant to mention global warming in the context of the typhoon….’cause like, that’s political or something? I mean, are we to imagine or pretend that the typhoon was an unavoidable tragedy that occurred in a vacuum – meaning that empty and meaningless platitudes are appropriate by way of a response?

      What I’m wondering is, that given the apparent ‘totaling’ of the infrastucture, and given that places aren’t being repaired (eg – New Orleans) and given that putting the same infrastructure back would be a waste of bloody time and energy…what are these twats who assume the role of governance actually suggesting be done now?

      A part of me thinks we’re going to see the very rich hop aboard their private jets and the ‘not quite piss poor’ jump aboard commercial flights while whole swathes of people are consigned to a future in a wasteland come refugee camp.

      And scenarios, whereby the rich get out and where the poor are abandoned to waste after storms and such like will play out again and again and again in various parts of the world until….well, until when? Until the private jets run out of landing strips? Until there is nowhere left to run bar places that have little fenced off, heavily guarded and catered to oases existing in a world of flotsam and jetsam?

      I know that image is all a bit dystopic sci-fi sounding. But since we are only at the very beginning of weather responding to climate changes. And since we are ‘locked in’ to a future of unprecedented weather events due to the lag between climate changing and weather responding fully to those changes. And since we all live within and rely upon infrastructures that simply cannot and will not withstand the severity of a whole lot of what’s coming. well, let me put it this way….ten years from now, your town gets ‘knocked over’ by some weather event and all services and supplies are disrupted. Do you really think anyone is coming to rebuild? And do you really think we have the materials and designs to withstand any repeat weather performances in the unlikely event a rebuild occurs?

      • King Kong 1.2.1
        12 November 2013 at 3:33 pm

        Didn’t happen like that after the boxing day Tsunami, why is this different?

        [Umm, the boxing day tsunami was caused by an earthquake. the typhoon was an extreme weather event, which are becoming stronger and more frequent due to climate change. Moron. Eddie]

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.2.1.1
          12 November 2013 at 3:41 pm

          Frequency. Certainty.

          *I give up. This is supposed to be a reply to KK @ 4.1.1

          [Bill: – Gah. Possibly ‘my bad’. My comment was originally posted in ‘open mike’. And I moved it over here. And there was me thinking it had been so flawless. Oh well.]

        • Bill 1.2.1.2
          12 November 2013 at 3:45 pm

          Yes it did. There are still people living in temporary shelters. And a tsunami, by its very nature affects only coastal strips – not entire swathes of inland or raised areas and the local infrastructure/services they contain and that can then (theoretically) be expanded back into affected areas.

          • karol 1.2.1.2.1
            12 November 2013 at 3:50 pm

            Reply to Bill @ 3.45pm: Not only is it different, but,as you said @ 3.18pm, there will increasingly frequent extreme weather events in the future: with each recovery stretching diminishing resources beyond their capabilities.

            • Tat Loo (CV) 1.2.1.2.1.1
              12 November 2013 at 4:04 pm

              Yep. And expect the extremely wealthy to start retreating into fortified holdouts or fiefdoms as this occurs over the next century.

        • King Kong 1.2.1.3
          12 November 2013 at 3:50 pm

          Sorry, no one sent me the memo that said we only clean up after non climate change events.

          Unlucky my Filipino brothers.

      • infused 1.2.2
        12 November 2013 at 3:38 pm

        Yes… we will rebuild, stronger. Humans have adapted for thousands of years. This is no different.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.2.2.1
          12 November 2013 at 3:43 pm

          Bravely said Infused. Keep your chin up.

        • Tat Loo (CV) 1.2.2.2
          12 November 2013 at 4:00 pm

          Humans have also died back to a handful of millions on several occasions. The chances of people surviving on this planet longer than cockroaches is approx nil.

          • Rhinocrates 1.2.2.2.1
            13 November 2013 at 12:52 pm

            Actually, despite superficial differences, human beings are astonishingly lacking in genetic diversity, suggesting a bottleneck of about 10 000 individuals about 70 000 years ago. This is often linked to the Toba supervolcano eruption.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_bottleneck

            Change is indeed not a problem and we can adapt. Stopping your car is not a problem either – you can put on the brakes and gently slow down… or you can drive into a concrete wall. The same result will be achieved, but the costs will be radically different.

        • Rogue Trooper 1.2.2.3
          12 November 2013 at 4:47 pm

          Different ecosystem unfolding . Carry on confusing.

      • karol 1.2.3
        12 November 2013 at 3:54 pm

        Bill: Was he not meant to mention global warming in the context of the typhoon….’cause like, that’s political or something? I mean, are we to imagine or pretend that the typhoon was an unavoidable tragedy that occurred in a vacuum – meaning that empty and meaningless platitudes are appropriate by way of a response?

        It shows how tied up the government is with useless protocols and an ideological bubble,over the real demands of NZ and the world. They do the routine thing of making standard statements about providing aid a band aid. Once the devastation of the Philippines disappears from the news, the government will show limited interest in their recovery – let alone in taking proactive precautions and preparations for the future.

  3. gobsmacked 3
    12 November 2013 at 3:12 pm

    It’s a very revealing episode … giving a damn about people versus giving a damn about decorum.

    Lots of ranting on twitter, but the award for Right Wing Moran Speaking Braynes goes to this guy …

    https://twitter.com/BeepeeNZ/status/400080260022009856

    “People more important than climate change”. That’s priceless. Beyond stupid, beyond satire.

  4. King Kong 4
    12 November 2013 at 3:14 pm

    To be consistent, I hope that every time Russell hears someone fart, he writes a strongly worded missive to Watties.

    • gobsmacked 4.1
      12 November 2013 at 3:17 pm

      You do know whose message he was relaying, don’t you?

      • King Kong 4.1.1
        12 November 2013 at 3:22 pm

        Some emotional guy who just had his house tipped over?

        • mickysavage 4.1.1.1
          12 November 2013 at 3:43 pm

          The stupid it burns …

          • Anne 4.1.1.1.1
            12 November 2013 at 4:10 pm

            Lets call the hecklers for what they are… philistines and cretins. And that includes the neanderthal above called King Kong.

            I want to know who they are: who on the govt.benches heckled and jeered. They deserve to be publicly named! Does anyone have an opposition MP mate they can contact and find out then name them here?

            Climate Change is not a political matter. It’s real and the planet is facing a catastrophic future. We have a bunch of ignorant, self serving, brain impaired parliamentarians who apparently don’t give a damm for the future of their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren – let alone the generations beyond that if mankind even gets that far – means they are not fit to be in a place like parliament.

            Name and shame them!

            • Anne 4.1.1.1.1.1
              12 November 2013 at 4:15 pm

              Edit function on the blink. Last words should read – and that means they are not fit to be in a place like parliament.

            • TightyRighty 4.1.1.1.1.2
              12 November 2013 at 4:58 pm

              Right, so if we are sceptical about the human involvement in climate change we are neanderthals , philistines and cretins. sure to win you support for the policies you believe should be enacted to “prevent” storms.

              Climate was made a political matter, by political parties, like the greens. and by their supporters, who called for a political solution. now the wheels are falling off the movement through a lack of discernible change, we get shrieked at silly hysterical anons like “anne”.

              It’s either a political issue and the greens have a reason for being in parliament, or it’s not and russell norman can fuck off back to aussie. a much bigger polluter than NZ i might add.

              • Rogue Trooper …
                12 November 2013 at 5:05 pm

                a realpolitik issue ackshully.
                ooh, a half-ton of comments, only gets faster from here on in.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead …
                12 November 2013 at 5:44 pm

                You have no claim to skepticism that will survive the most cursory scrutiny, Tighty.

                There is no lack of discernible change. There is a chorous of ignorati jumping on precise words like “significant”, and cherry-picking dates to measure from, while the planet continues to warm.

              • johnm …
                12 November 2013 at 7:35 pm

                Tightyrighty
                You’re an idiot moron of the first degree get lost you stupid beep beep. Anne is more onto it than you’ll ever be.

                • TightyRighty …
                  12 November 2013 at 8:10 pm

                  haha. oooooohhhhhh, you really told me johnm. got a crush on Anne?

                  I feel like i’ve been told by the smelly kid in primary school that i’m a mean meanie for reminding they stink. Like Anne’s hysterical name and shame call and now johnm’s “idiot moron – first degree”

                  Make me a badge you low rent waste of bandwidth

            • johnm 4.1.1.1.1.3
              12 November 2013 at 7:33 pm

              1000% right Anne!

    • greywarbler 4.2
      12 November 2013 at 3:28 pm

      Beans to you King Kong. There’s your acknowledgement for the day so you don’t feel totally bereft bewildered and useless in the world.

  5. infused 5
    12 November 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Nature happens. Simple as that.

    Anything to do with climate change isn’t going to stop Typhoons.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1
      12 November 2013 at 3:50 pm

      Yeah, weather has nothing to do with climate at all. Nothing. Oh no, wait, this just in.

      All weather events are affected by climate change because the environment in which they occur is warmer and moister than it used to be….

      Kevin Trenberth.

      Ah well, good on you for having such a dogged faith in your personal opinion, Infused. After all, it’s the wingnut way.

      • mickysavage 5.1.1
        12 November 2013 at 3:53 pm

        And this from NBC News:

        Experts say Typhoon Haiyan was about as strong as it could theoretically get when it swept through the Philippines, killing thousands of people and driving hundreds of thousands from their homes. But intensity limits have been rising over decades past — and climate models suggest they will keep rising over the decades to come, with the potential for bigger and more devastating storms.

        Of course there is nothing to fear or worry about and we can continue to trash the environment without concern …

        http://www.nbcnews.com/science/typhoon-haiyan-pushed-limit-bigger-storms-are-coming-2D11577486

      • alwyn 5.1.2
        12 November 2013 at 4:25 pm

        On the other hand there was this from the New Scientist of 21 September.

        “It’s been a slow season for Hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean. The first one, Humberto, formed just last week and quickly fizzled out before it got anywhere near land”.
        As an update to this on October 24th we had a news story that the Atlantic Hurricane season of 2013 is the quietest in 45 years.
        http://news.yahoo.com/atlantic-hurricane-season-quietest-45-years-experts-170425159.html

        So, we appear to have serious hurricanes from global warming in the Pacific but unusually benign conditions in the Atlantic because of global warming. Odd indeed.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.1.2.1
          12 November 2013 at 4:27 pm

          Gosh. Different weather in different parts of the globe, all affected by climate. Amazing!

        • Anne 5.1.2.2
          12 November 2013 at 4:44 pm

          That is the pattern of global weather Alwyn. In a nutshell, one hemisphere (or part there-of) can experience moderate to mild weather patterns while the corresponding hemisphere (or part there-of) is being bashed about by storms and other extreme weather events. You see, nature tries to balance all things out one way or another. That is why we have cyclones and anticyclones – one counters the existence of the other. Indeed one can’t exist without the other.

          The problem we have is that mankind is doing its dammdest to bugger up that balance and succeeding alarmingly well.

          • alwyn 5.1.2.2.1
            12 November 2013 at 7:47 pm

            Do you have a reference that explains this? I find it hard to see any causal reason for different hemispheres to have complementary weather and I would be fascinated to see an explanation, or even evidence without an explanation for it occuring.
            Cyclones and anti-cyclones do not counter each other except in the trivial fact that one is a spot with high pressure and one with low pressure. A cyclone does not “cause” an anticyclone to be created.

            • Anne 5.1.2.2.1.1
              12 November 2013 at 9:09 pm

              Alwyn you have little comprehension of, or knowledge of meteorology because if you had, you would appreciate my discourse was aimed at the lay person which you obviously are…

              A cyclone does not “cause” an anticyclone to be created.

              In actual fact the physical properties that come together to form a cyclone will eventually produce an opposite process in an aligned region. That’s why they’re called cyclones and anticyclones.

              a spot with high pressure and one with low pressure

              lolz.

              • SHG (not Colonial Viper) …
                13 November 2013 at 5:59 am

                In actual fact the physical properties that come together to form a cyclone will eventually produce an opposite process in an aligned region. That’s why they’re called cyclones and anticyclones.

                Just…wow.

            • alwyn 5.1.2.2.2.1
              12 November 2013 at 8:47 pm

              I’m not sure whether you are answering me or not, as you appear to be replying to Anne’s comment.
              If you are suggesting this to me however this has nothing to do with what Anne is proposing. She is saying, as I read her, that the weather over in the Western Pacific is paired with the weather over the Western Atlantic, which is very nearly on the other side of the world. The link you give is for the weather a bit north and south of the equator, but otherwise fairly close together.
              Her hypothesis is rather like the 17th century view that there had to be a great southern land mass to balance Europe etc with a land mass in the South Pacific.
              If you weren’t talking to me please excuse this comment.

              • Rogue Trooper …
                12 November 2013 at 9:12 pm

                you may be excused as one of the better contrasts in the box of crayons. Always worth scribbling through imo

              • joe90 …
                12 November 2013 at 9:15 pm

                Just a hint that the convergence zone oscillates latitudinally affecting weather longitudinally – what occurs in the Pacific doesn’t necessarily correspond with events in the Atlantic.

                (shuts eyes re cyclone/anti-cyclone)

                • Rogue Trooper …
                  12 November 2013 at 9:23 pm

                  I smiled 😀

                • Anne …
                  12 November 2013 at 9:32 pm

                  – what occurs in the Pacific doesn’t necessarily correspond with events in the Atlantic.

                  Correct.

                  My use of the word hemisphere was in its broadest sense. Was not meant to be north and south.

              • Anne …
                12 November 2013 at 9:17 pm

                the weather over in the Western Pacific is paired with the weather over the Western Atlantic,

                Bollocks. I didn’t say anything of the sort. Indulging in your usual cock and bull spin…

                Slink back under your bridge Alwyn where you belong.

                • alwyn …
                  13 November 2013 at 11:01 am

                  It is very hard, when reading your original comment, not to interpret it as saying precisely that Anne.
                  When the original comment, to which I was replying connected the Phillipines cyclone to climate change I was merely pointing out that, if this was the case, why did it not also happen in the Caribbean, where precisely the opposite weather appeared to be happening. One would expect a glabal effect such as climate change to have similar results everywhere.
                  Your response to this was to inform me that “Nature tries to balance things out”. I, and I’m sure most people would interpret that, in light of the material you were supposedly replying to as saying that Nature was causing calm weather in the Caribbean to “balance” out the wild weather in the Phillipines (or the other way round if you wish).
                  You tell me that was not what you said at all. Fine, I’m take your word for it even if the way you expressed it says the opposite.

                  • Anne …
                    13 November 2013 at 6:33 pm

                    most people would interpret that, in light of the material you were supposedly replying to as saying that Nature was causing calm weather in the Caribbean to “balance” out the wild weather in the Phillipines

                    Most people you say. Well, if they are BM, Tighty Righty, King Kong and Alwyn clones then Yes, you’re probably right. But if they are informed and have a bit of knowledge of the related sciences, then the answer is NO. They would know I was saying nothing of the sort. You actually show how ignorant you are on this subject. Suggest you stick to subjects you know something about. Or own up to what you are really doing… tr–ling.

      • infused 5.1.3
        12 November 2013 at 4:40 pm

        read what I said douche bag. I said it’s not going to “stop” them.

    • Anne 5.2
      12 November 2013 at 4:23 pm

      Yep. Nature is telling us loud and clear:

      STOP TRASHING THE PLANET OR ELSE…

      Bigger and more horrendous typhoons and hurricanes is just for starters, and they will occur with ever increasing frequency.

      Yet another pea brained cretin.

      Edit: this is a reply to infused above.

      • King Kong 5.2.1
        12 November 2013 at 4:28 pm

        So what was nature telling us with all the violent storms that happened before we invented climate change?

        • Naturesong 5.2.1.1
          12 November 2013 at 4:39 pm

          I disagree that “Nature” tells us anything.

          The phrasing of your question reveals your bias. We did not invent climate change.
          We (meaning geeks, academics, scientists; folks who spend their lives chipping away at the frontier of ignorance) noticed a trend in both temperature averages and extreme weather events. A trend significant enough to warrant additional research. And as we have done more research and gathered data over the last 40 years it all points in the same direction, rising water levels and greater frequency of extreme weater events.

        • infused 5.2.1.2
          12 November 2013 at 4:43 pm

          Exactly. Your all acting as if hurricanes and typhoons suddenly started 10 years ago.

          This has been happening for hundreds of years. The reason why it’s worse now is because of population growth. More people being affected.

          • Richard Christie 5.2.1.2.1
            12 November 2013 at 5:18 pm

            Having children makes the wind blow harder.

          • North 5.2.1.2.2
            12 November 2013 at 10:26 pm

            Yes, Confused @ 5.2.1.2, population growth. Pause. Think about it. Population growth. And all that flows from it.

            You and King (Canute) Kong and BM. What else do you idiots do for recreation ? Other than trolling on TS and driving your unfortunate near ones to distraction.

            Hide behind the hedge with your slug gun gleefully shooting sparrows ?

          • Rhinocrates 5.2.1.2.3
            13 November 2013 at 1:02 pm

            Frequency and severity is the issue.

            Really, I cannot imagine that someone would actually, honestly be so stupid.

          • Tracey 5.2.1.2.4
            13 November 2013 at 1:15 pm

            hundreds of years? You believe the world was created 6000 years ago infused?

        • Rogue Trooper 5.2.1.3
          12 November 2013 at 4:53 pm

          and you can be correct at times also; yes, we did invent climate change. Well said Cheetah.

  6. Naturesong 6
    12 November 2013 at 4:21 pm

    One of the blogs I follow is Actuarial eye. It’s written by one of Australias leading actuaries.

    I’m reminded of a post she did several years ago about the effects of climate change and how warming temperatures increase the likelyhood of extreme weather events.
    At that time she was writing about the heat wave that Australia was experiencing, however her explanation goes further into extreme events in general. It’s quite a scary picture.

    How does climate change affect extreme weather events?

    You don’t need complex models of extreme weather events following climate change to realise that extreme events become much more frequent if the average temperature moves up a little bit. But complex models of extreme weather events suggest that the extremities move even further than a very simple normal distribution would suggest.

  7. gobsmacked 7
    12 November 2013 at 4:32 pm

    But the real point here is not that some fools deny climate change.

    It’s that John “I believe in climate change, I always have” Key and his MPs are not arguing against the reality of climate change, they’re arguing against saying so out loud.

    That’s Russel’s ‘crime’ here. That’s why the Nats are so angry. He’s exposing the hypocrisy, not of the climate change denier, but those who pretend they believe and care, while doing bugger all.

    • Rogue Trooper 7.1
      12 November 2013 at 4:54 pm

      Yup amigo. ( All Quiet on the Western Front )

    • Naturesong 7.2
      12 November 2013 at 4:56 pm

      The National Governemt is not doing bugger all. They are doing quite a lot.

      Open cast mine in Denniston Plateau.
      Open cast mine for Fonterra near Mangatawhiri.
      Deep sea drilling consents granted and drilling to commence near Oamaru and Taranaki first up.

      All in spite of those rabid commie hippy institutions; OECD and the World Bank. OECD calling for fossil fuel subsidies to be removed

    • Anne 7.3
      12 November 2013 at 5:48 pm

      gobsmacked outs one of the pea brained NAct parliamentary cretins who heckled… TAU HENARE.

      He’s exposing the hypocrisy, not of the climate change denier, but those who pretend they believe and care, while doing bugger all.

      I repeat what I said at 4.1.1.1.1
      We have a bunch of ignorant, self serving, brain impaired parliamentarians who apparently don’t give a damm for the future of their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren – let alone the generations beyond that if mankind even gets that far – and that means they are not fit to be in a place like parliament.

      • Bill 7.3.1
        12 November 2013 at 5:54 pm

        Oh, I don;t know if they are so much ‘ignorant, self serving etc…’ so much as accomplices in crimes against humanity. Or is it not a crime against humanity to insist that people continue to act in ways and to do things and to use things that will result in the deaths of millions? If it’s not, then what is it?

        • Anne 7.3.1.1
          12 November 2013 at 6:24 pm

          Hi Bill

          Oh, I don;t know if they are so much ‘ignorant, self serving etc…’ so much as accomplices in crimes against humanity.

          Not a lot of difference in my book. 😈

          Courtesy of TV3. Here’s the names of a few more of the cretins:

          BILL ENGLISH, JAMIE LEE-ROSS, PAULA BENNETT.

          Others approached said:

          It wasn’t that they’re against Climate Change, but that Russel Norman used it for political purposes.

          On the one hand they’re not against it (like it was some ideological viewpoint akin to walloping children) but rather the person who was trying to point out the seriousness of the obvious… was the one supposedly being political.

          The stupid, it hurts.

      • karol 7.3.2
        12 November 2013 at 5:57 pm

        And from gobsmacked’s link above, Shane Jones agreed with Henare. Maybe Jones should just join National?

  8. Ancient Ruin 8
    12 November 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Given the climate will change, be it under the influence of humans or otherwise (insert your preference and corresponding rate of change here) it seems sensible to be adaptable to whatever is thrown at you rather than sticking with the status quo. That’s what gets me – arguing that its natural is no defence for not being prepared (and prepared to do something now)…

    • Rogue Trooper 8.1
      12 November 2013 at 5:01 pm

      it’ll be the ruination of us all .

    • Lanthanide 8.2
      12 November 2013 at 6:08 pm

      “That’s what gets me – arguing that its natural is no defence for not being prepared (and prepared to do something now)…”

      Right, but that’s the core of it. If it’s man-made, and man-made because of emitting millions of tons of CO2, then part of the solution is necessarily going to be reducing emissions.

      But if it’s natural, and CO2 emissions don’t matter (which is what the deniers, fundamentally backed by the fossil fuel industries, are saying), then we can keep on with the same level of CO2 emissions we have now and look at other actions we can take to reduce the impact of climate change.

  9. ghostrider888 9
    12 November 2013 at 5:22 pm

    “Fine words can be sold
    honoured acts can oppress people”.
    -62

  10. North 10
    12 November 2013 at 6:42 pm

    How bloody outrageous of Russel Norman to rain on the parade of ShonKey (Little Churchill) Python by quoting a Filipino of note. Damn ! As Little Churchill laid further narcissistic claim to global statesmanship (vomit) ?

    Anyone who is not instantly compelled to clutch the pearls need only listen to the vulgar smoko-room squawk of the bloated, koretake, troughing, kupapa of the North, pissed-on-the-List, the thick Tau Henare – TV3 News tonight.

    My God how devilish are these Greens please ?

    • BM 10.1
      12 November 2013 at 7:04 pm

      My God how devilish are these Greens please ?

      They are a 10%, poopy party.
      I fart in their general direction.

      • North 10.1.1
        12 November 2013 at 9:54 pm

        You are a fart. You demonstrate it on a daily basis. All malodorous gas and no substance. No morals too it would seem. A selfish, goonish, ShonKey Python cargo-cultist. Karma will get you. I will applaud.

  11. Anne 11
    12 November 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Thanks North.

    Together with my 7.3 plus 7.3.1., I think we’ve nailed it.

  12. charles kinbote 12
    12 November 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Its good to have the Climate doctrine dogma preached by Norman. This way the media can see here just what will follow from a socialist Government. Is there any body from the religious branch of Science here who reads the complete screw ups the Bureaucratic IPCC is making. No such thing as medieval warming, the j curve applies here, but not there.Rings in trees signify growth here but hide this stuff over there, pure ideaology. Those of us who are socialists and sociologists are better qualified . Doubt is ignorance. Skepiticism is ignorance . We have science and we have IPCC science. One has the objective of fact finding the other fund finding

    [karol: You are on a warning – see here.

    Continuing with this line of comment also puts you on a warning for a banning]

    • Zorr 12.1
      12 November 2013 at 10:24 pm

      Citations from publications required

      kthxbye plonker

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 12.2
      12 November 2013 at 10:40 pm

      Gosh! I’m completely convinced by your expertise and sincerity, Charles, but I find these “science” types to be sticklers for accuracy. Would you might citing the IPCC AR5 references your witless drivel relies on?

    • gobsmacked 12.3
      12 November 2013 at 10:50 pm

      Hi Charles

      When John Key says “I firmly believe in climate change, and always have” … is he a fool? Or is he lying? (or both?).

      Do you agree with him, or not? I reckon he’s bullshitting, but do you believe him?

      http://www.johnkey.co.nz/archives/1714-NZ-committed-to-addressing-Pacific-climate-change.html

      PS I’ve noticed you tend to dump and run in these discussions. How about engaging in debate? It’s only polite, and you guys are big on politeness, right? Not like that scoundrel Dr Norman.

  13. Lloyd 13
    12 November 2013 at 11:21 pm

    The main influence of increasing levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is more on the sea than on climate.

    The oceans are becoming more acid because water absorbs carbon dioxide and this becomes carbonic acid, like fizzy drinks. Acidity affects sea life and we may find shell-fish off our menu well before we are swimming up Lambton Quay. Maybe Russell Norman would have more impact on the morons who think global warming is political if he tells them their oysters may run out rather than telling them they are killing Phillipinos.

    The second effect of increasing greenhouse gases is warming of the seas, which is more definite than any atmospheric effects. It is interesting that warm seas are the source of hurricanes. Warmer seas can obviously make stronger hurricanes.

  14. charles kinbote 14
    13 November 2013 at 1:35 am

    sorry to be witless people .I couldn’t tell a joke as well as Bill 1.2, 12 November 2013 at 3:37 pm

    ” Was he [ Norman ] not meant to mention global warming in the context of the typhoon….’cause like, that’s political or something? mean, are we to imagine or pretend that the typhoon was an unavoidable tragedy that occurred in a vacuum – meaning that empty and meaningless platitudes are appropriate by way of a response?
    “”
    haha yes thats right Bill joker, all disaster are caused by climate.
    Its really bad Bill, if those bloody Australians had kept paying the carbon taxes, there would have been no bush fires.
    I will deal with the tree rings shortly believers, you know that stuff where trees grow slow in the cold like the medieval times hidden agenda, Now remember no dirty words believers we are not used to blaspheming believers .

    [karol: You are on a warning – see here.

    Continuing with this line of comment also puts you on a warning for a banning]

  15. charles kinbote 15
    13 November 2013 at 1:42 am

    Believers, believers come see the magic . I will set up a blog site now.
    We will deal with Co2 first. Now you do know that Co2 has been at very low levels for the last few thousand years, don’t you believers. You do know that in Church don’t you.
    CO2 at huge levels right in those ice ages believers , graphics tomorrow socialists .

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 15.1
      13 November 2013 at 6:27 am

      How do you know anything about CO2 levels? Have you been listening to those “scientists” again? I thought you said they were lying or something.

  16. charles kinbote 16
    13 November 2013 at 4:21 am

    Here you are Truthers, billions of tons of CO2 evidence , put glasses on, and don’t worry if you reject Science and stick with religion, so does IPCC. anyway if you don’t like this evidence well we have more.
    believersnz.blogspot.com

    [karol: so you have given a url for your own (hastily set up) blog. It has a copied image and a graph (no citation) on it, and no explanation. You’re taking the piss!

    Instead of just a link whoring excuse for citing evidence, try making an actual argument here, citing relevant and specific evidence. Otherwise any more comments from you on this thread will be deleted.

    Your style of argument on this thread so far is pretty abysmal, showing you understand zilch about climate change, and no willingness to seriously engage in discussion]

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 16.1
      13 November 2013 at 6:29 am

      Better make sure the source of your CO2 evidence isn’t a paleoclimatologist or you’ll look a bit foolish.

    • Rhinocrates 16.2
      13 November 2013 at 1:13 pm

      karol, I am astonished that you can make sense of that gibberish – it’s like Dada poetry.

  17. Paul 17
    13 November 2013 at 6:21 am

    Audrey Young from the Herald sides with the deniers.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11155991

    “Norman’s climate change lecture strikes the wrong note.
    Then it was the turn of Greens co-leader Russel Norman, who clearly decided he was not going to let this crisis go to waste, as the saying goes.
    Instead of his own speech, he quoted extensively from Yeb Sano, the head of the Philippines delegation at UN climate change talks in Warsaw.
    It was like getting a long lecture on cigarette-smoking instead of a eulogy at the funeral of someone who had died of lung cancer.”

    Shame on her.

    • chris73 17.1
      13 November 2013 at 7:22 am

      Good on her for writing what most of us are thinking

      • Paul 17.1.1
        13 November 2013 at 7:25 am

        I’m not thinking that Chris.
        I’m thinking what a leper NZ is becoming in the world thanks to the ‘me me me’ views of people like you.
        And aren’t you so clever copying the Conservative slogan? That’s all the right wing have…slogans.

      • framu 17.1.2
        13 November 2013 at 7:31 am

        for gods sake “shes just saying what everyones thinking” has to be the most thick witted moronic position to take on ANY subject

        Its the standard bearer of the anti thinking crowd – do you like belonging to the group that doesnt exercise any critical thought whatsoever?

        1) you have no idea what everyone is thinking and you mark yourself a fool to claim you do
        2) people should have a good argument, and the defense of it is that the argument is sound – not “heaps of people totes agree with me”

      • Tracey 17.1.3
        13 November 2013 at 11:02 am

        why do people right of the political spectrum always think that what they and their friends think is shared by everyone?

        A myth is a myth no matter how many of your friends believe it.

        • Rhinocrates 17.1.3.1
          13 November 2013 at 1:09 pm

          Put nicely by Anatole France,

          If forty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

          http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anatole_France

          To paraphrase, if forty foolish people claim that forty million silently think it, then it is an extremely foolish thing.

        • photonz 17.1.3.2
          14 November 2013 at 1:10 am

          Tracey says “why do people right of the political spectrum always think that what they and their friends think is shared by everyone?”

          Why do people on the left think that ONLY people on the right do that?

    • newsense 17.2
      14 November 2013 at 12:08 am

      oops missed this.yep. shame

  18. Craig 18
    13 November 2013 at 10:58 am

    Thirty years ago, in a situation of similar gravity, why do I suspect the same climate change denialist National Party MPs would have been nuclear winter sceptics?

    • Tracey 18.1
      13 November 2013 at 11:04 am

      30 years ago the right claimed the economy would collapse if we went nuclear free… cos the US would hate us

  19. Craig 19
    13 November 2013 at 11:01 am

    And some of them are quoting Brendan O’Neill, a seriously weird UK ex-Trot turned mad neoconservative opponent of social democracy and green politics…

  20. newsense 20
    13 November 2013 at 6:12 pm

    From Audrey Young:

    “It was like getting a long lecture on cigarette-smoking instead of a eulogy at the funeral of someone who had died of lung cancer.”

    Nope. More like it was sharing an empassioned speech against tobacco by the brother of the man who died, calling for action and being shouted down by Philip Morris apologists.

  21. photonz 21
    14 November 2013 at 1:20 am

    World News Australia reports
    “In its most recent assessment on global warming the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found there were no identifiable long term trends when comes to tropical cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons.”

    The funny thing is, if anybody else says exactly the same thing as the IPCC, they get called climate change deniers.

    • Colonial Viper 21.1
      14 November 2013 at 1:24 am

      Links mate or it didn’t happen.

      Meanwhile, back to sanity:

      Global temperatures are almost half a degree Celsius above the long-term average so far in 2013, putting this year on course to be among the 10 hottest since records began, the world’s leading meteorological agency says.

      In a provisional statement on the global climate in 2013, the World Meteorological Organisation says the first nine months of this year tied with 2003 as the seventh hottest such period on record.

      The statement was released in Warsaw on Wednesday where countries are meeting for the latest round of negotiations on a new treaty to tackle global warming.

      In Australia, temperatures are on track for the hottest year on record. Australia’s temperatures from January to October were 1.32 degrees above average, which annually is 21.8 degrees.

      http://www.smh.com.au/environment/global-heat-headed-for-record-20131113-2xgxd.html

      • photonz 21.1.1
        14 November 2013 at 2:09 am

        Colonial Viper says “Links mate or it didn’t happen.”

        Is there any point? I’ve linked to well know things like the Auckland blackouts, and the Post Office running down telecom when it was govt owned, and you just say they’re lies.

        If you know what google is, you can search the quote and you’ll find it thousands of times – take your pick.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 21.2
      14 November 2013 at 5:02 am

      The funny thing is, when people only want to discuss the things IPCC is uncertain of, while ignoring multiple lines of evidence, they get called climate change deniers. FIFY

  22. charles kinbote 22
    14 November 2013 at 1:32 am

    truthers, believers,
    I have put up the evidence where the IPPC slipped and slopped around the slope to warm it up.
    Also the trick [ ‘trick’ just a little IPCC euphemism for dishonesty ] they used to censor out the medieval warm, by throwing in oscillations . Go over to the graph, it is self explanatory when you look at it. Yes do pop over there truthers , and if there is not enough evidence for the hocus pocus, well there is more. lots more .
    believersnz.blogspot.com

    I am deeply ashamed to upset Karol of course
    < I know you all have climatology degrees and better, .

    "heres Karol in big bold letters …
    [karol: so you have given a url for your own (hastily set up) blog. It has a copied image and a graph (no citation) on it, and no explanation. You're taking the piss!

    Instead of just a link whoring excuse for citing evidence, try making an actual argument here, citing relevant and specific evidence. Otherwise any more comments from you on this thread will be deleted.
    Your style of argument on this thread so far is pretty abysmal, showing you understand zilch about climate change, and no willingness to seriously engage in discussion]
    and
    karol: You are on a warning – see here.

    Continuing with this line of comment also puts you on a warning for a banning]

    Hey I have an idea Karol, you tell me what to say and I'll try to write it

    [karol: if you are only capable of repeating what other people say without understanding, and not of looking at the evidence and using it as the basis for a reasoned argument, you’d be better not to write anything.]

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 22.1
      14 November 2013 at 4:41 am

      All this must be true, which makes it a complete mystery as to why the only people who will take you seriously are the Tea Party 😆

    • lprent 22.2
      14 November 2013 at 7:39 am

      Science is about uncertainty. An entire branch of maths (statistics) was built to deal that. You will find that assessment of uncertainty through the entire IPCC report including the definitions of exactly what they mean when they say “likely” etc..

      I realise that you are a slave to some kind of absolutist faith which leads you to be known mostly for parroting other people’s words. Perhaps if you actually read the IPCC reports first section you may gather an appreciation for how honest and smart people handle uncertainty and risk. They measure the level of it.

      It may help you with understanding your fear of measured honesty.

      In the meantime I suspect most of the people here will continue to regard you as being a prattling fool who is less concerned with the science, and more interested in a simple denial based mostly on deliberate misinterpretation of anything that isn’t a simple assertion of absolute faith.

  23. knuckle teamd 23
    14 November 2013 at 9:49 pm

    I would like to see the collective qualifications in Science [ if any] of the Standard team

    [lprent: Permanently banned troll under many names…. Now due for the treatment given to the real fuckwits of the internet ]
    .

    • lprent 23.1
      15 November 2013 at 5:31 am

      Ah how? You want to come and examine my Earth Science BSc from 1981? And qualifications merely a good starting point for science..

      But I think that there is a better starting point. You should have to prove that you can understand some basic science before we have to waste our valuable time on a illiterate moron who probably couldn’t understand something as basic as clay slippage morphology.

      Perhaps you should convince us that you are not simply a knuckle dragging moron. For instance by finding and clearly understanding something in the IPCC. Umm first year stuff – what about the isotope indicators in fossil calcium shell debris from ocean cores for sea temperature? Nice and easy first year stuff from 30 years ago in quaternary geology…

      But we all know how this is going to turn out. You’re going to whine and whinge about how that bad old man wanted you to prove you can think…. Adding you to auto-spam. When I have time I will see if you can.

      BTW: I’m not a “team” player… I just like persecuting fuckwit trolls. Please read the policy especially the sections about targeting authors, attempts on privacy, and how much I despise whining fuckwits like you.

    • Murray Olsen 23.2
      15 November 2013 at 7:26 pm

      You wouldn’t even understand the title of either of my theses, knuckle dragger. What you’d like to see is irrelevant. Anyone who knows anything about any branch of science knows whether someone else is worth taking seriously within the first couple of lines they write. You aren’t.

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    Eric Crampton writes – Kainga Ora is the government’s house building agency. It’s been building a lot of social housing. Kainga Ora has its own (but independent) consenting authority, Consentium. It’s a neat idea. Rather than have to deal with building consents across each different territorial authority, Kainga Ora ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Coalition promises – will the Govt keep the commitment to keep Kiwis equal before the law?
    Muriel Newman writes – The Coalition Government says it is moving with speed to deliver campaign promises and reverse the damage done by Labour. One of their key commitments is to “defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law.” To achieve this, they have pledged they “will not advance ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • An impermanent public service is a guarantee of very little else but failure
    Chris Trotter writes –  The absence of anything resembling a fightback from the public servants currently losing their jobs is interesting. State-sector workers’ collective fatalism in the face of Coalition cutbacks indicates a surprisingly broad acceptance of impermanence in the workplace. Fifty years ago, lay-offs in the thousands ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • What happens after the war – Mariupol
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    Open ParachuteBy Ken
    2 days ago

  • Babies and benefits – no good news
    Lindsay Mitchell writes – Ten years ago, I wrote the following in a Listener column: Every year around one in five new-born babies will be reliant on their caregivers benefit by Christmas. This pattern has persisted from at least 1993. For Maori the number jumps to over one in three.  ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Should the RBNZ be looking through climate inflation?
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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

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    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the public sector carnage, and misogyny as terrorism
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    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    2 days ago

  • Meeting the Master Baiters
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    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago

  • How extreme was the Earth's temperature in 2023
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    Skeptical Science
    2 days ago

  • Backbone, revisited
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    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Ministers are not above the law
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago

  • What’s the outfit you can hear going down the gurgler? Probably it’s David Parker’s Oceans Sec...
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    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Matt Doocey doubles down on trans “healthcare”
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    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • A TikTok Prime Minister.
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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Texas Lessons
    This is a guest post by Oscar Simms who is a housing activist, volunteer for the Coalition for More Homes, and was the Labour Party candidate for Auckland Central at the last election. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links at 6:06 am
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours as of 6:06 am on Wednesday, April 17 are:Must read: Secrecy shrouds which projects might be fast-tracked RNZ Farah HancockScoop: Revealed: Luxon has seven staffers working on social media content - partly paid for by taxpayer Newshub ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • Fighting poverty on the holiday highway
    Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago

  • Bernard's six-stack of substacks at 6:26 pm
    Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • At a glance – Is the science settled?
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    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • Apposite Quotations.
    How Long Is Long Enough? Gaza under Israeli bombardment, July 2014. This posting is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    Bowalley Road
    3 days ago

  • What’s a life worth now?
    You're in the mall when you hear it: some kind of popping sound in the distance, kids with fireworks, maybe. But then a moment of eerie stillness is followed by more of the fireworks sound and there’s also screaming and shrieking and now here come people running for their lives.Does ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Howling at the Moon
    Karl du Fresne writes –  There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Newshub is Dead.
    I don’t normally send out two newsletters in a day but I figured I’d say something about… the news. If two newsletters is a bit much then maybe just skip one, I don’t want to overload people. Alternatively if you’d be interested in sometimes receiving multiple, smaller updates from me, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Seymour is chuffed about cutting early-learning red tape – but we hear, too, that Jones has loose...
    Buzz from the Beehive David Seymour and Winston Peters today signalled that at least two ministers of the Crown might be in Wellington today. Seymour (as Associate Minister of Education) announced the removal of more red tape, this time to make it easier for new early learning services to be ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • Bryce Edwards: Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. Our political system is suffering from the ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    4 days ago

  • Was Hawkesby entirely wrong?
    David Farrar  writes –  The Broadcasting Standards Authority ruled: Comments by radio host Kate Hawkesby suggesting Māori and Pacific patients were being prioritised for surgery due to their ethnicity were misleading and discriminatory, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. It is a fact such patients are prioritised. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • PRC shadow looms as the Solomons head for election
    PRC and its proxies in Solomons have been preparing for these elections for a long time. A lot of money, effort and intelligence have gone into ensuring an outcome that won’t compromise Beijing’s plans. Cleo Paskall writes – On April 17th the Solomon Islands, a country of ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Climate Change: Criminal ecocide
    We are in the middle of a climate crisis. Last year was (again) the hottest year on record. NOAA has just announced another global coral bleaching event. Floods are threatening UK food security. So naturally, Shane Jones wants to make it easier to mine coal: Resources Minister Shane Jones ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago

  • Is saving one minute of a politician's time worth nearly $1 billion?
    Is speeding up the trip to and from Wellington airport by 12 minutes worth spending up more than $10 billion? Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me in the last day to 8:26 am today are:The Lead: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Long Tunnel or Long Con?
    Yesterday it was revealed that Transport Minister had asked Waka Kotahi to look at the options for a long tunnel through Wellington. State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    4 days ago

  • Smoke And Mirrors.
    You're a fraud, and you know itBut it's too good to throw it all awayAnyone would do the sameYou've got 'em goingAnd you're careful not to show itSometimes you even fool yourself a bitIt's like magicBut it's always been a smoke and mirrors gameAnyone would do the sameForty six billion ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • What is Mexico doing about climate change?
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections The June general election in Mexico could mark a turning point in ensuring that the country’s climate policies better reflect the desire of its citizens to address the climate crisis, with both leading presidential candidates expressing support for renewable energy. Mexico is the ...
    Skeptical Science
    4 days ago

  • State of humanity, 2024
    2024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?When I say 2024 I really mean the state of humanity in 2024.Saturday night, we watched Civil War because that is one terrifying cliff we've ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • Govt’s Wellington tunnel vision aims to ease the way to the airport (but zealous promoters of cycl...
    Buzz from the Beehive A pet project and governmental tunnel vision jump out from the latest batch of ministerial announcements. The government is keen to assure us of its concern for the wellbeing of our pets. It will be introducing pet bonds in a change to the Residential Tenancies Act ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • The case for cultural connectedness
    A recent report generated from a Growing Up in New Zealand (GUiNZ) survey of 1,224 rangatahi Māori aged 11-12 found: Cultural connectedness was associated with fewer depression symptoms, anxiety symptoms and better quality of life. That sounds cut and dry. But further into the report the following appears: Cultural connectedness is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • Useful context on public sector job cuts
    David Farrar writes –    The Herald reports: From the gory details of job-cuts news, you’d think the public service was being eviscerated.   While the media’s view of the cuts is incomplete, it’s also true that departments have been leaking the particulars faster than a Wellington ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell On When Racism Comes Disguised As Anti-racism
    Remember the good old days, back when New Zealand had a PM who could think and speak calmly and intelligently in whole sentences without blustering? Even while Iran’s drones and missiles were still being launched, Helen Clark was live on TVNZ expertly summing up the latest crisis in the Middle ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    5 days ago

  • Govt ignored economic analysis of smokefree reversal
    Costello did not pass on analysis of the benefits of the smokefree reforms to Cabinet, emphasising instead the extra tax revenues of repealing them. Photo: Hagen Hopkins, Getty Images TL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me at 7:26 am today are:The Lead: Casey Costello never passed on ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago

  • True Blue.
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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • Who is running New Zealand’s foreign policy?
    While commentators, including former Prime Minister Helen Clark, are noting a subtle shift in New Zealand’s foreign policy, which now places more emphasis on the United States, many have missed a key element of the shift. What National said before the election is not what the government is doing now. ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago

  • $41m to support clean energy in South East Asia
    New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
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    10 hours ago

  • Minister releases Fast-track stakeholder list
    The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    12 hours ago

  • Judicial appointments announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    13 hours ago

  • Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in Singapore
    Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa.  The summit is co-hosted ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago

  • Value of stopbank project proven during cyclone
    A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago

  • Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visit
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul.    “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    15 hours ago

  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    17 hours ago

  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
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    2 days ago

  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
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    2 days ago

  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
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    2 days ago

  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
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    2 days ago

  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
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    3 days ago

  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
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    3 days ago

  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
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    3 days ago

  • Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International Congress
    Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector.    "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
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    4 days ago

  • Removing red tape to help early learners thrive
    The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
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    4 days ago

  • RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tape
    Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
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    4 days ago

  • McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationship
    Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
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    4 days ago

  • Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister Lee
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.   Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
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    4 days ago

  • PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ ties
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong.  During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
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    4 days ago

  • Antarctica New Zealand Board appointments
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner.  The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
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    4 days ago

  • Finance Minister travels to Washington DC
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    4 days ago

  • Pet bonds a win/win for renters and landlords
    The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
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    5 days ago

  • Long Tunnel for SH1 Wellington being considered
    State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...
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    5 days ago

  • New Zealand condemns Iranian strikes
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel.    “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says.    "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...
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  • Huge interest in Government’s infrastructure plans
    Hundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...
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    1 week ago

  • Health Minister thanks outgoing Health New Zealand Chair
    Health Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board.   “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti.  “I have asked her to ...
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    1 week ago

  • Roads of National Significance planning underway
    The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.  “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...
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    1 week ago

  • Navigating an unstable global environment
    New Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States.    “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...
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    1 week ago

  • NZ welcomes Australian Governor-General
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Australian Governor-General, His Excellency General The Honourable David Hurley and his wife Her Excellency Mrs Linda Hurley, will make a State visit to New Zealand from Tuesday 16 April to Thursday 18 April. The visit reciprocates the State visit of former Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy ...
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    1 week ago

  • Pseudoephedrine back on shelves for Winter
    Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced that Medsafe has approved 11 cold and flu medicines containing pseudoephedrine. Pharmaceutical suppliers have indicated they may be able to supply the first products in June. “This is much earlier than the original expectation of medicines being available by 2025. The Government recognised ...
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    1 week ago

  • NZ and the US: an ever closer partnership
    New Zealand and the United States have recommitted to their strategic partnership in Washington DC today, pledging to work ever more closely together in support of shared values and interests, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.    “The strategic environment that New Zealand and the United States face is considerably more ...
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